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White Man at JOAB. It's to
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pipe Man W four C Y Radio. Here with my next guest, who

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has some badass new music coming out
tomorrow the twentieth. It's like a birthday

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present for me because my birthday was
last week. So let's welcome to a

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show justin for more curse. How
are you? Thank you man? Good,

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thank you for having me. So
my first question is do you have

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a favorite guitar behind you? Uh
No, it's like asking favorite children,

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right yeah, yeah, well all
my good guitars. I shouldn't say good,

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they're all good. Yeah. My
stage guitar is like the stuff I

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use is actually at my rehearsal space. But I will say like my bootleg

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like makeshift Tom DeLong stratocaster right there. I was jamming on that a little

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bit. I got the new Blink
one eighty two album a day early,

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so having a lot of fun.
Very unmettal, but very fun. And

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I was just about to comment on
that as somebody that's been around metal since

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the beginning and was around all the
gatekeepers and used to be one of them,

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because you know, back in the
eighties you had to be like your

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friends wouldn't let you not be a
gatekeeper. I absolutely love that you started

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this interview talking about that you got
the Blink album because back in the day

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that wouldn't be allowed. Yeah,
I'm a postman. I don't hear tomatoes.

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Yeah. And you know, one
thing that's and that's why I bring

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it up that's cool about this new
album coming out is that it's kind of

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like it's not more of the same
of what you've had previously. And you

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guys kind of have this attitude of
you know, so if it you know,

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it doesn't hold true to hardcore thrash
metal heads. Oh well, and

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yeah, I love that because you're
an artist, you should not be boxed

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in. Nobody should tell you how
to make your music. You make your

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music from inside and what you feel
and what you want to do and listen,

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you know, we go back to
Metallica. I'm one of those old

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school I went to a first Metallica
show ever, So when Black came out,

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me and my friends were like protesting
it, you know, and like,

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oh my god, you're twenty five
hardcore fans are never going to listen

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to you again. You need to
change back. And meanwhile, we're all

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back, and they got millions of
other people and you and I probably wouldn't

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be sitting here today if they weren't
for that Black album. It's very true.

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I give that album a lot of
credit for people can crap on it,

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but yeah, without it, I
mean, most of your favorite bands

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wouldn't exist today. You know.
That's that's kind of the one that brought

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most of us to the dance,
you know. Yeah, I love I

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loved, I loved that album as
a kid, you know, I got

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into Metallica very early on. I
was probably five or six years old.

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My parents were into different styles of
metal. Their friends were in a metal

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so I was kind of raised around
it. And as much as I mean,

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I think right the Lightning's probably their
their finest moment, but as much

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as I love the other albums,
there was just something about the production of

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the Black album. There's those songs, they've really just stood the test of

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time, you know, especially the
B sides on the album that no one

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talks about. You know, I
just think that album gets a lot more

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shit than it should. It's an
amazing album. So yeah, and I

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gotta tell you, like, I
didn't like it then, but I like

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it now that it did bring mainstream
people to metal, because otherwise metal wol

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have never survived. And now I
go cover festivals where there's like one hundred

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thousand metal heads there, and it's
like, that's awesome because we're like the

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coolest people. People think we're like
something, it's funny, but like you

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go to a metal show, there
are no outsiders, there's no bullshit.

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There's ninety other stuff that's going on
out in the world that's just pissing us

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off or making us depressed. We're
just one big family, and like we're

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an example I think for the rest
of the world. Yeah, and to

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your point, you know, with
pissing off some of the purists or whatever.

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You know, we never set out
to be a thrash metal band.

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It's just that's what we wrote.
You know. It's like if you hand

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me a guitar and you say,
play ay something like inherently, what will

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come off of my hands onto that
guitar will be something that kind of sounds

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like our first two albums. You
know, you're sitting in front of the

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backdrop of our first album, which
was like a very thrash metal album.

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You know. Writing this album,
it was a little more collaborative and Blaine,

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who is our vocalist. Blaine is
a phenomenal musician and just an amazing

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guitar player. You know, he
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I worked with him on vocals and
just thinking about writing songs versus writing you

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know, something that needed to check
boxes. You know, I think that

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rash metal is kind of its own
worst enemy and that it is like very

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rigid with what you're allowed to do
before the purest you know, get upset.

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You know, you're not allowed to
talk about certain things. You can

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have clean vocals, but they can't
be too clean. You can have heavy

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vocals, but they can't be too
heavy. You know where they start casting

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you off their little side subgenres where
you become like a power a thrash band

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or everybody gets all dorky with these
these genre labels. You know, honestly,

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we just we just wrote some songs, man, We just wrote some

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songs that we wanted to write that
we liked. And you know, if

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people like them, hey, and
if they don't, the will you know.

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And to your point today, I
hate like how there's so many subgenres

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and micro genres and it does make
a lot of bands like sound the same.

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I remember being metal head in the
eighties and you know, my dad

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saying, oh, it just all
sounds the same, and I'm like,

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no, it doesn't. And now
I listen to some bands nowadays, they

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almost use like an algebraic equation the
right metal, and it does sound the

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same, whereas you know, thrash
metal. To me, because I'm an

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old school thresh, metal head shouldn't
have rules like Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica,

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Exodus, Layer, they are completely
all different bands, like completely,

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so I don't even get where some
of the purists, and I'm from the

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beginning of it, get their ideas. And I think that's what would bring

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metal down. I think artists like
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with their passion and experimenting. That's
what metal was about, experimenting yeah,

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and I think there are a lot
of great bands out there that are doing

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that. And I think that there
are actually there's a lot of young thrash

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metal bands that are really really good
bands that don't sound the same. You

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know. I think that some of
it comes down to lazy journalism. And

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I don't want to like point fingers, but you know, like you read

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album reviews, and the laziest thing
that a reviewer can do is just immediately

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like throw another band name out there. Oh it sounds like Testament, Oh

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it sounds like Slayer. You know, that's what they do. But it's

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like, what about the song sounds
like that to you? You know,

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if the vocals are in a certain
kind of style, but they don't sound

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exactly like the guy, why do
you even have to throw some old band's

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name out there? You know,
I think you can look at young bands

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like what we're doing. We don't
sound anything like you know, Hatreots a

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good a really good young band,
you know, and they have their own

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thing. You know. The vocalists
is the son of Zetro of Exodus,

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so he you know, he can't
he can't. He can't help that he

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was born with the with the vocal
cords. You know, he's gonna sound

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like his dad, you know,
ship My dad could probably pass for me

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on the phone. But you know, but they don't sound anything like us.

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And there's a you know, like
young band called Tyrant that I'm a

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big fan of. We've toured with
h from Lansing, Michigan. They don't

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sound anything like either of us.
You know, there's a lot of young

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bands that there's a diverse array of
sounds out there. I think where things

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start to become maybe a little repetitive
to your point, is a lot of

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these guys, they all have their
albums mixed and uh neared by the same

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four guys, you know, so
the sound becomes a little repetitive when they

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sample replaced the drums and everybody has
the same drum sounds on their album,

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and reamped the guitars, and they're
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same studio, with the same speaker, cabinet, microphone. Yeah, it's

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kind of hard to not, you
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we made it a point to break
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different studio, shoot for a totally
different sound and confessions the end result,

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So I hope people love I love
it, and you know, I want

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to say something about what you said
because it made me laugh because I was

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just covering Bloodstock in August and this
somebody says to me, Oh, I'm

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in the press area and they're like, oh, man, there's this band

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plane right now. They sound just
like Exous. You should go check them

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out. And I just happened to
not have an interview then. So I

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went over there and they were really
badass. These these kids were kids.

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They were teenagers, just like when
I was a teenager seeing Metallica as teenagers.

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But uh, to your point,
I didn't hear so much the Exodus,

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Like I heard similarities, but if
that person didn't say it to me,

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I wouldn't say, oh, they're
Exodus, you know. But now

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you put start that thought into people's
heads because it was another press person,

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then they automatically they're trying to make
it sound like Exodus, because that's what

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happened when I first walked over.
I'm like trying to compare in my head

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instead of just listening to them.
Yeah, so you're you're spot on with

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that. Yeah, I mean,
it's it's it's one of those things where

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you can take it two ways,
and I think I try to take it

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both ways. I find it annoying
and I find it lazy. But at

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the same time, you got to
understand, like they're compared you to some

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of your favorite bands, They're compared
to some of the greatest bands to do

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it. So it's also a compliment, you know, it's not I'm not

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I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It just seems to me if you

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want to say something about a young
band, like, talk about that band,

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talk about another band, you know, talk about the band that's right

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in fronty of and what they sound
like and what they're doing, and maybe

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maybe try to pay a little more
attention and and maybe you'll find some nu

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oances. There's some things they're doing
that are that are a little different than

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you know, the band you're going
to compare them to right off the bat.

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So yeah, and I'm less saying
to your new music. And I

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don't sit there and go, oh, they sound like this, they sound

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like. My viewpoint is your your
music sounds like just bad ass metal.

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I don't even call it thrash metal
because it's got thrash components, but it's

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got other components. And that's why
I love nowadays is music can have like

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all his mixes into it, of
all the influences. So I'd rather not

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narrow a band down to a genre
because that just puts an artist in a

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box. Well as a musician,
I sincerely appreciate that, and I appreciate

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the kind words. I think what
that comes down to is we have a

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lot of influences as a band.
You know. I mean, you got

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five different dudes writing this stuff together, and you know, all five of

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us listen to different stuff, you
know. I mean I could go down

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the list and tell you what everyone's
listening to. But you know, I

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mean Murphy's really into you know,
stoner metal, and he plays in like

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a pretty good stoner metal band and
blains very into like modern metal. You

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know, he got into metal much
later than you know, like James and

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some of the other guys, so
he definitely has a more modern influence.

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And I guess I'm kind of the
traditional thrash guy. But you blended all

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together and everybody contributes parts. It's
like, again, we didn't set out

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to like make a thrash metal album
ever, It's just that's what we wrote.

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So yeah, yeah, and see
I love that. And that's another

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difference between nowadays and the old days, because the old days you weren't all

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your friends had to listen to the
exact same music you listened to. Like

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I, I'd rather be exposed to
other music and maybe you'll find another new

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favorite band, like Funny as Can
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at Download when I was covering Download
that I would never gone to see,

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but like one of the other press
people was like, come on, come

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with me, we got We're gonna
go see this band. I'm like,

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okay, And they were badass and
they were they were so not typical of

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what I normally listened to. But
now I'm like playing them on my you

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know phone all the time, you
know. And that's I think what people

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need, and that's what we have
today. Is like, just because you're

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a metal head doesn't mean you only
have to listen to this type of metal

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or even just metal, you know, Like you mentioned, the Stones are

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coming out with a new olum there's
nothing wrong with them. Metal head and

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listening to a new Stones album,
you know, hey man, Yeah,

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if you can't get down to the
Rolling Stones, my drummer. Actually he

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hates the Rolling Stones, but he's
fucking wrong. He's wrong. Rolling Stones

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are awesome. So yeah, but
that's the thing, you know, it's

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like we're just fans of music,
you know, like Murphy and myself.

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We've been in bands together for like
twenty years now, crazy as it is,

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me and the other guitar player,
and I mean, man, we've

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ran that the gablet. We've played
everything you can think of. I mean,

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we were in a band a long
time ago that, you know,

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kind of sound like Fallout Boy.
You know, we've played hardcore bands together.

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We've played in punk bands together.
You know, we've played in a

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ton of different bands together over the
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it was like, as funny as
that, it was kind of the last

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thing we ever got around to doing
was playing the music that brought us together

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in the first place. But yeah, our influences are just all over the

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place, and you know, if
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without going you know, crazy with
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maybe just a little more interesting than
trying to stick, you know, very

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rigid to the rules and write something
that sounds exactly like the one little box

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they want to put you in.
So yeah, and the way you wrote

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music for this album, to me
is kind of like if you take some

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of the best songs in history and
the best albums in history, they were

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written the same way. It wasn't
a formula. It wasn't it has to

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be like this. It was just
a bunch of musicians that that's what they

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were feeling and that's what they wanted
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Yep. I mean you can hear
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might have been in a better mood
when I wrote a couple of versus some

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of the other ones. You know. Yeah, that's what it is.

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It's your emotions and it's your creativity. It's your feeling that day captured in

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a you know, and into a
computer or however you write your songs,

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you know, captured into your cell
phone or whatever. But but those are

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just like little snapshots. There's a
little moments of time in your life that

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you put down on paper, you
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and to a recording you know,
program and hopefully they age. Well that's

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the only thing you can hope for. The nice you don't look back on

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it, you know, two years
later and wonder what the hell you were

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thinking. But but yeah, I
think we're pretty proud of the album that

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we wrote, and so far it's
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see, we'll see how it goes. So I also read that like people

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are considering this like your black album. I hate that. I know,

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That's what I was gonna ask you, how do you feel about that?

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And like I would probably feel the
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it's just like what we were talking
about comparing bands, like you know,

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well I addressed this earlier today,
I'll just talk to talk rest it again.

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I hate that so much because this
is how that gets started. Okay,

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that's like record label talk, and
that's like, that's like publicist talk.

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You know. Those are the people
that work for you on your team

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that just want to sell albums and
they want to get as many people to

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open that email as possible and review
it or check it out. So you

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know what, what better bait to
throw out there than the black album,

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right if you want to get somebody
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had nothing to do with that comparison. I don't buy into that comparison.

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But you know, if if that
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one of those kind of weird comblem
that sort of things. If somebody wants

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to draw a comparison. Cool,
You know, that is the single most

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successful metal album in history and nothing
will ever come close to topping it,

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So there are worse things to be
compared to. But yeah, I don't.

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I don't hear that, man,
I don't hear that at all.

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And see, you know, for
me, it was different, okay,

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Cuz like if it said kill them
all, then I would have opened the

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email, but black Dot and didn't
make me open the email. What me

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open the email was listening to your
music, and like I clicked on like

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the newest music, and then I
wrote back, Okay, let's set up

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this interview. Cool. You know, like I agree with you with that

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stuff. I'd rather listen to a
band's music themselves and decide if I like

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it, because I can't interview bands
I don't like. My job is to

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make you look good, and I'm
not going to bullshit and say, oh,

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you're the greatest band ever when I
think you suck. Yeah, Well

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I'm glad. I'm glad to hear
that there's still some journalistic integrity in the

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world. But yeah, I sincerely
do appreciate that, and I think that's

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the way it should be done.
Let us let us, you know,

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live and die, you know,
on our own merits here. You know,

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I don't I don't think I need. I don't think I need to

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be compared to the Black album for
people to listen to it. But if

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it helps, fuck it. Yeah. I guess they're just trying to sell

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albums, right, They just trying
to They're just trying to make me money.

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I shouldn't be mad about it,
right, right, Yeah, So

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let's tell everybody how they connect to
you guys on socials, on the web,

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how they check out the new album
by your merge, all that good

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stuff, all right, So,
first and foremost, the new album is

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called Confession. Comes out October twentieth. I don't know when this airs,

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but that'll be tomorrow, Friday,
October twentieth on Metal Blade Records. You

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can find it pretty much anywhere music
streamed or sold, but you know,

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go to your local record store and
request a physical copy. Go buy that

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thing from a from a small independent
guy. You can find us on all

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your usual platforms, you know,
Spotify, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram.

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We're terrible at Twitter, but we're
on there. We've got a tour coming

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up if you want to come see
us live, and that that, I

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think is is where we thrive as
a band. If you want to,

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if you want to know what Warhurst
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close and personal and we'll put on
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We're going to be going out with
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tour starts in Sacramento and uh,
it's kind of like a West Coast in

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a Canada run. That'll start November
first, and information for that is also

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available on our social media or on
our website. Nice And I can't believe

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in twenty twenty three, Armed for
the Apocalypse is still appropriate, Like that

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was the whole theme back in the
eighties and I can't believe all these years

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later, we're still talking about that
crap. Maybe more relevant than ever,

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right, I know, right,
So, but man, everybody's got to

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check you guys out because you're badass. Thank you. And now after talking

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to you, I like even more
because you're real and that's what counts in

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music, especially in metal. So
thanks for giving us great music and thanks

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for being on the Adventures of pipe
Man Dude. Thank you for having us,

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it's been a great conversation. Thank
you for listening to the Adventures of

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Pipemin on w for CUI Radio.