March 1, 2024

Progressive Metal Guitarist MARTIN GONZALEZ About Solo Debut Suspiro

Progressive Metal Guitarist MARTIN GONZALEZ About Solo Debut Suspiro

Join me, The Pipeman, as we celebrate the enduring spirit of rock with the incredible progressive metal guitarist, Martin Gonzalez. Listen in as we discuss the raw talent and musicianship that defined the golden eras of music, drawing contrasts with...

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Join me, The Pipeman, as we celebrate the enduring spirit of rock with the incredible progressive metal guitarist, Martin Gonzalez. Listen in as we discuss the raw talent and musicianship that defined the golden eras of music, drawing contrasts with today's technology-driven production. We pay homage to the virtuosos of the '60s, '70s, and '80s, while embracing the artists like Martin who infuse modern flair with the soul of rock and roll. Revel in Martin's experiences composing for the anime RWBY, where metal meets orchestral majesty, and get a sense of how true artistry thrives even in a landscape burgeoning with AI.

Step into a world where music intertwines with every aspect of life, from mosh pits that swirl with the rhythms of salsa to yoga sessions powered by the thunderous beats of Slayer. As we chat about the upcoming record that resonates with personal tales of triumph and tribulation, we recognize the cathartic power of music in expressing the spectrum of human emotions. Appreciate the camaraderie and adventures shared with guests like Martin, and understand the value of keeping press engagements as lively and enjoyable as the art we create. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation that honors the intersection of motivation, friendship, and the unyielding passion for music.

EPISODE CHAPTERS
(0:00:05) - Progressive Metal Musicianship and Composing
(0:12:15) - Music and Motivation
(0:26:01) - Appreciation for Music and Friendship

EPISODE CHAPTERS WITH SHORT KEY POINTS
(0:00:05) - Progressive Metal Musicianship and Composing Martin Gonzalez and I celebrate true musicianship and discuss the changing music landscape, including his work on the anime RWBY. (0:12:15) - Music and Motivation Nature's duality of emotions, variety in music, and personal reflection through art and motivation.
(0:26:01) - Appreciation for Music and Friendship Appreciation for musician guest's contributions to music and importance of enjoyable and engaging press interactions.

EPISODE CHAPTERS WITH FULL SUMMARIES

(0:00:05) - Progressive Metal Musicianship and Composing (12 Minutes) This chapter welcomes the extraordinary progressive metal guitarist, Martin Gonzalez, as we celebrate true musicianship in an era often dominated by technology and AI in music production. We reminisce about the golden ages of music in the '60s, '70s, and '80s, when guitar solos and raw talent were the norm, contrasting with today's often computer-generated music scene. Discussing the changing landscape, we touch upon the meme that humorously compares rock stars of the past with today's producers. Moreover, I share my excitement about artists like Martin who preserve the essence of rock and roll while incorporating modern professionalism. Martin shares his experiences as a composer for the anime RWBY by Rooster Teeth, expressing his joy in creating metal and orchestral music he loves, for a show that has evolved from a small YouTube project to a widely recognized series with a significant budget and following.

(0:12:15) - Music and Motivation (14 Minutes) This chapter, we explore the unconventional mix of aggressive music with traditionally calm activities, like the idea of a mosh pit combining salsa, merengue, and bachata, or practicing yoga to metal bands like Slayer. I discuss the refreshing aspect of variety in music, the importance of not being bound by expectations, and creating art that is personally meaningful. We touch on the themes of my new record, which is deeply personal, with each song reflecting a different facet of my life, from dealing with self-sabotage to embracing a sense of purpose. Highlighting the duality of human emotions, we acknowledge that even as a motivational speaker, it's natural to have ups and downs, and music serves as a powerful tool to navigate these experiences.

(0:26:01) - Appreciation for Music and Friendship (1 Minutes) This chapter features a heartfelt expression of appreciation for the musician guest's contributions to the world of music and their participation in the adventures of Pytman. We explore the nuances of how press engagements can sometimes be less enjoyable for artists and discuss the importance of keeping such interactions enjoyable and interesting. The musician guest reflects positively on the conversation, hoping it won't be the last, and I reaffirm the sentiment, emphasizing the value of fun and engaging dialogue in press activities.

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is the pipe Man here on the
Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio.

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I'm very excited about our next guest
because I just love love musicianship,

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and that's something that you don't know. We's see nowadays and the way music

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has become. I think sometimes we've
lost some musicianship, but then there's also

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a comeback of artists like this next
one and a lot of others that are

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bringing that back. So let's welcome
to the show the amazing progressive metal guitarist

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and Martin Gonzalez. How are you
yo? What's up? Man? And

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thanks for those kind of words.
I'm good man, how are you?

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Oh? I'm great? And my
pleasure because it's true, you know,

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like listen, nothing takes the place
of good musicianship. You can push buttons

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all you want, you can use
AI all you want, and that's all

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good for enhancing in my opinion,
but not as a replacement, right,

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I can't agree, man, especially
with that AI stopped going on as a

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lately scary man. It was scary
way back when, Like in the eighties,

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I remember telling people like, I
don't like this. The machines are

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going to take over, you know, and here we are it's like reality

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now. But yeah, but there
are a lot of artists like you that

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are bringing back what things were I
say, more like in the seventies and

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the eighties and the sixties, where
it was all about musicianship and you know,

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especially talking about guitars, Like songs
nowadays are written without guitar solos because

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of the attention span of people out
there, but also because I don't know.

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I think some of these musicians nowadays
they're not even learning how played guitar.

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They're learning enough to get by and
then they use all the you know,

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technology to do the rest. Right
right now, now, I feel

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like people could consider their laptops as
instruments, which yes, it's nothing against

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that is incredible what you can do
with a lot to But now I feel

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you my passion is guitar late left
to be secondary. Have you ever seen

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the there's a meme out there that
shows a picture of the rock star in

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the eighties and the rock star now
have you ever seen this meme? Right

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right? Yeah, that is like
people partying and like drinking beer and then

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just like a nerd sitting in front
of his computer. Totally. Oh that

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it's so funny, you know,
because it is pretty true. And I

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mean there's a positive side to that
too, because a lot of musicians down

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nowadays they are more professional and serious
about it and they're you know, straight

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edge a lot of them, whereas
back in the eighties that was true.

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It was you know, massive amounts
of partying. But I think that also

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holds to what's benefit nowadays of artists
like you being able to get out there

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and make your own music opposed to
record labels telling you what to do,

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because I think well happened in the
eighties. It's record labels through so much

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money at these young kids and basically
told them what to do that and they

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set them up with the party,
and they wanted them party and they wanted

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them you know, doing all that, so they could you know, to

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be blunt scrow them over right right. It's definitely part of their image too,

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yeah, which is so funny.
Let's say like one of my like

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one band that I admire a lot
that kind of has that like rock and

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roll energy still is probably Polifia.
They still like they're I assume they're definitely

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like nerds because of the music they
do, but at the same time,

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they have that like rock and roll
energy that is like, what the fuck

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are you've been doing right exactly?
So a lot of your fans know you

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best as a composer, and what
I think is really cool about it.

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Okay, so you're the composer for
poppy around my franchise Rooster Teeth and r

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W B Y Rooster Teeth, And
uh, what's interesting I find about that

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is so I saw this band back
in the eighties when I was a freshman

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in high school. In the beginning
of the eighties, I saw this band.

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They played in my gym in high
school. And now the singer for

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that band is one of the biggest
composers for like everything ever like Batman and

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The Simpsons, and that's Danny Elfman
from Oingo Boingo and Oingo Boingo played in

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my gym. So immediately I saw
that that's who I thought of. So

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that's pretty cool. Tell us a
little bit about that. Man. Yeah,

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so that the company who makes the
anime is Rooster Teeth and then the

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anime is called Ruby, and say
I said it wrong. It's it's been

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a cool geeg man. It's like
like the first time I got to do

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something for like a TV show,
And to be honest, the TV show

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is as good as it can get
at the moment. It's been like a

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TV show that started kind of like
as a YouTube thing from like kids that

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didn't know what they were doing,
and now until there where they have like

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a budget where they have like real
animators and real things, and it became

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so popular. I was surprised to
how popular it became. But the cool

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thing is I'm doing like metal music
for it. I'm doing like Prague and

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I'm doing also like orchestral stuff.
So I was getting paid for doing the

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music. I really love, man, I love it. I love it.

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I feel like sometimes for composers,
it's like you take the gig that

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you have to take right. Sometimes
you're like hired to do I don't know

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music for in the style of blah
blah blah blah blah blah. But in

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this case, I was literally hired
to do music the style of music that

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I really like to do. So
I was like creatively, very free.

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I like wrote that stuff, obviously
with direction from like the directors and so

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on, but I was just man. I was just happy playing guitar and

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being like paid for playing it.
I love it, and it's so cool

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that it kind of blows my mind
as somebody it's been metal head since like

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the late seventies, Okay, that
you can compose metal music for a TV

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show in twenty twenty four, it's
like totally cool to me, you know.

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And it's funny when you said about
it, because you know, The

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Simpsons, which is like the longest
running TV show ever, started as like

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a little clip on this show called
the Tracy Omens Show. It wasn't its

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own show. It was like a
little clip, and it's just become this

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phenomenon right right, And I feel
like Danny Elkman right now, he's even

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playing at like metal festivals. Yeah
yeah, yeah. So I go on

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tour and I do coverage of festivals
throughout US, the UK, Europe,

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and he's on a couple festivals that
I'm looking at that I might do press

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for, and it kind of blows
my mind because he hasn't really done that

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that I've seen in a long time, Like I'm sure he has, but

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not unlike major festivals like that.
So it's kind of wild going back to

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his roots kind of right, right, I feel like especially now that that

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particular world of like composers and like
actual metal musicians, like they're starting to

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merge. I know of a couple
other people that are like in bands and

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like doing metal music that are actually
writing music for video games and TV shows

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and film and stuff like that.
So some somewhat like metal hits are taking

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you know where that stuff as well. It's pretty cool. And look and

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look at what happened with stranger things
too, Like that's even wild. Yeah,

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And what's interesting too, if you
travel the world, you don't realize

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how metal has a place and places
you won't even think of. Like currently

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right now, I'm in Costa Rica
and I had no clue, but there's

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like a huge underground metal thing going
on here and it just it's really cool.

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Blows my mind though, because I
would have never thought of that because

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there's like one major festival here and
it's not metal and so and I'd been

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talking about like yeah, i'd like
to. I'd like to start my own

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festival in Costa Rica. And then
I came down this year. I came

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down. I come down every year, and I was talking to somebody that

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actually does different festivals and bensing It's
like, oh no, we do a

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lot of metal stuff. It's all
kind of underground type of thing and that

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that reminds me of the good old
days too. Man, that's awesome.

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I honestly, if you have recommendations
for like metal musicians or bands that I

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should listen to from Costa Rica,
I'll take them in. I'll have to

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find them. There is one that
I'm forgetting the name of the band,

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but I was in Bali last year
for two months, and there's this band

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there that they're they're kind of like
maybe pop punk combined with metal and punk,

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and they have a song called Kuda
rock City. I'm trying to remember

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the name of the band right now, I'm losing, but like, they're

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really popular there and I listened to
them, like, man, they're really

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really good. Again. Never expected
that in Bali for sure, you know.

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And it's just really cool. And
then I was just in Mexico a

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couple of months ago, and I
saw metal stuff going on there and I'm

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like, man, that's just really
speaking of which, have you ever seen

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that band that does the metri riachi
metal maybe maybe do you know the name?

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Yeah, like like being senile today, I like, right, but

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it's really I know it and it's
like really good. I like that's pretty

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cool. Yeah. There's this Mexican
artist called the Josse Makario. Okay.

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He like he's like one of those
musicians that like play a bunch of different

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genres from like literally like Mexican popular
music to like Mexican gent. Like it's

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super weird, man. But he
came up with this album that blew my

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mind as recently, I think,
like a new album that released like a

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week ago or two weeks ago.
Uh, And the band is called Ladni's.

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It's like the Thieves, and it
is the weirdest fusion of music I've

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heard in a while. It's like
imagine like Mariacchi singers with like hip hop

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influence like stuff, but also with
gent in the background, with like actual

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machuga going back in the background,
and like what I mean. I liked

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it though, but but he's really
weird music. One that is coming up

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from Mexico especially, I think,
you know, would be kind of cool

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if you had like and I'm saying
this because it's funny. I just took

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a lesson and I noticed and it
wasn't because him, but like because I'm

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in Costa Rica. But uh,
I know it's Jose from Serious Exam.

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He just took a lesson too,
likes Toya of his comfort zone. Toya

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mine on like sosa and marengue,
And I'm thinking, how cool would it

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be to have a mosh pit that
was combined with salsa and marengue and brachata,

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you know, and you're doing that
in the pit. That would be

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so funny and funny. I'd be
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hitting people right right. That would
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other thing. I don't know if
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a big thing going on with yoga
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everybody associates yoga with mellow and you
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background, and me, I sit
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I'm like getting bored after a while. If you were playing like Slayer while

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I'm doing my yoga. I would
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of stuff relaxing. Like I feel
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I don't find the mellow relaxing to
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like I get antsy, you know. But if you give me a Slayer,

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I'd be totally into it, and
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a motivational speaker, and when I
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up stuff like Slayer and Slipknot to
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Dude, that's so funny. That's
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know. And that's the power of
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too, because it just takes you
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crap that's in the world. And
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couple of singles on your new record, they're both different, okay, so

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oh yeah, And what I like
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to the same song over and over
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I like to hear variety, Like
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the horizon for doing different things.
I'm like, more power to them because

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I like hearing the different things.
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good for the artists because it must
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doing the same songs over and over
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riffs, and you know, I'm
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that's That's the cool thing about being
independent too, is just nobody tells you

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what you can do or what you
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to like not depend on anyone else's
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should be doing for them. I
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honest. And every song has a
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coming from, which this record is
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song has a has a meaning.
It's just not God damn it. And

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we're sing like a thousand texts and
I don't know how to put my computer

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inside. That might be the that
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like, what are you saying?
You're gonna get fired? But you imagine

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just like I was saying. So, Yeah, every song has a particular

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meaning to me. For example,
the first song, it's like a song

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about self sabotage. It's like about
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my own type of outcome I have
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do something very like heavy and aggressive, or as aggressive and heavy as I

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can get. I've never done a
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had my wife sing on it,
and she's like, she's a freaking talented

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man. Now music is subjective,
but I think she's a really sick singer.

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because she's my wife by any means, but because I just think she's a

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great, great singer. And yeah, that song in particular was just like

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a song that I was like,
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something like this, and it has
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my guitar playing as a whole versus
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Henschel from Haking it's more of the
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like just looking forward to like waking
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of purpose or some well the song
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meaning, something that excites you to
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happy. So two very different concepts
right when. It's like, oh,

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I hate myself, and the other
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you're gonna find see. I love
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don't admit it. We have,
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of us, have all those sides, you know, right, you know

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that we're not so narrow like,
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of those songs on you know.
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a speaker, motivational speaker, people
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that positive all time. I'm like, no, nobody is that positive all

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the time. It's how much you
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long. You know, we're humans. Shit happens to us. We're humans,

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and we have emotions, and we
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then we have tools that can help. And to me, music is one

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of the greatest tools and one of
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is true. I'm glad. I'm
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also that way lots of people think
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music as like they go listening to
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the way they want it, and
then when they don't, they're like,

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oh, what if the start is
doing and it's like they're probably just being

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honest about how they feel or whatever
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like it, right, And that's
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is to just be yourself. If
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people want, you're not gonna be
as good. You know, forget the

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fact that somebody's being fake, just
the fact of how can you be good

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at your craft when you are faking
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being yourself, it's easy. It's
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or like you know, like we
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I don't script it, I don't
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little bit of preparing obviously, but
I don't sit there like, oh I

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got practice, But I just get
on and be myself because that's what people

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can relate to. I'm glad,
dude, same can here absolutely unprepared.

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Good. I love it because the
one thing and I don't get it often.

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But when artists or pr people are
like, can you send me to

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questions, You're gonna ask them like
no, because the interview takes a life

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of its own. And like,
if you have asked me before this interview,

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if we were talking about some of
the things we've already talked about,

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I would have said no, because
I didn't even think about it. Like

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the key to anything in life is
laying life happen and then taking those life

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events and that makes the conversation.
I agree, dude, I totally agreed.

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So how do people connect to you
on socials on the web? How

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can I get your new album?
Merche anything? Right? So I always

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go like at Martin Gonzales music and
that's on I think Twitter, YouTube,

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No, that's on Instagram, on
YouTube, and then on Twitter or now

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x for whatever, I go buy
Martin Yo Nar. Then I'm like it

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should be super easy to get to
like how to buy the album or how

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to get to my Spotify or everything
from there. Just look it up.

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It's Martin Gonzales in band camp,
in Spotify and basically every streaming service you

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can think of. And in band
camp, I'm currently running a pre order

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and then as I'm releasing the singles, you can download the full quality version

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of the singles as in like the
full audio quality version of the singles as

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you as your preorder. And the
album is coming out on March twenty second,

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and the next single is coming out
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WOA And that's another song with vocals
too, So I'm pretty pretty excited

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about this one. This one in
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of like connect with me and you'll
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Very cool, And so tell us
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twenty second if you were to say, what really means to you and like

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what made you come up with the
name for not not because what does the

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name mean, but more of what
it means to you, right right right,

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So this record is basically a way
of me trying to like breathe out

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all the shit that I've been living
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had like a year or two where
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was going on with my life and
just kind of like maybe doing music that

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I wasn't passionate about. And this
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reinvent myself, to feel good about
myself and to write music for me because

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I low it, right So this
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like why I'm doing this and why
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why I will never stop doing it. So that's what the record personally means

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to me. The name of the
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just a way of like expressing myself
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is like as good as I am
in right now. There's a lot of

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room to grow, and I hope
that the next music I do is always

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going to be better. But this
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this is me right now, this
or my abilities, this is what I

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love to do. This type of
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personally the most, and I decided
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Like, as I told you,
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a lot. Then I have another
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a friend I met at Berkeley College
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so we're really far away, but
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to me. And then I also
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super sick wind like all types of
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in one of my songs. And
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from Haygen, which is like a
dream come true because I used to listen

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to Haygen since like an early teenager. So having the record also mean a

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lot to me. And it's just
a way of like bringing people that I

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think are both talented and that I
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it's just very fulfilling man. So
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As I said before, it's a
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go and keep pursuing music with all
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first record as a solo artist too. I think it has a great meaning.

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So for whoever listens to it,
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meet me better as a person,
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right everyone can play it nowadays,
but maybe they'll meet me as a person

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just by listening. And as always, music is subjective, so whatever the

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music does to anyone who listens to
it is super welcome, and I'm super

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interested to know how it touches people
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it, and that's why I asked
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you said to me like really hit
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of years, and then like making
this album is like a big sigh from

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that rough couple of years, which
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of what I said of it's the
best therapy, not just for us as

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a listener, but us the artist. So this expressing on this album is

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getting out all that negativity and things
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And I think that that's way healthier
than any of the big pharma drugs

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that people give. I agreed,
man, I agreed, love it well,

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thanks a lot for giving us great
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and thanks for being on the Adventures
of Pipe Man. Dude, thank you

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so much for having me. There
was a pretty dope chat. Hope he's

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not the last one we have to
it won't be. And I love hearing

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that feedback too, because sometimes for
artists, doing press is not the fun

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part of the job, and that's
why I'd rather make it fun. So

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all right, Well, it's Harrely
a Pendon man, but you're you're a

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cool guy, so I look forward
to talk to you again some time.

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Dida, absolutely thank you for listening
to the Adventures of Pipe Man. I'm

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w for CUI Radio.