Rock Therapy and Night Terrors: Exploring Ombra’s Latest EP and Social Reflections

0:04 Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio. This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventure's Pipe Man W4CY Radio. And I'm excited about our next guest because now we're going back up to my friends in the north. Like fucking Canada, how do they have such great music up there? Probably because it's too fucking cold to do anything else. But this band has some killer music. So let's welcome to the show, Ombra. How are you? Very good. I'm doing great, brother. Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us.

0:45 Hey, my pleasure. It is true, though. Like fucking Canada, you guys have some of the best music. And what always fucking blows my mind is the trios that have music that is is more full than nine people in Slipknot. Okay. It's like, how do three people make that kind of music? Like it happens all the time. Yeah, man. I mean, just thinking of my favorite trio is Rush outside of ourselves. There you go. Well, you're Canadian. Let's hope that like, I don't know many Canadians that don't like Rush. Yeah, man. I don't know if you've seen them on their, their current tour. I saw them in Toronto and Montreal, but Annika Niles has been awesome.

1:25 Fire she's I've. Seen videos and like if you're gonna replace Neil Peart there it is okay I'm waiting like I'm I put in my media thing for when they play down here I'm down South Florida so I have not seen it yet but Jesus yeah how do you pick somebody that can actually almost match me look. You got you got big shoes to fill because there was always one Neil Peart there's only gonna be one Neil Peart yeah But she's absolutely crushing it. Freaking Getty and Alex really did a good job filling that role and choosing the right person to replace Neil. And yeah, she's absolutely crushing it. And I wish them all the best and her all the best. And fucking the more shows they play, the more experience she gets. Because she's already like a well-established drummer. But just getting to sit behind that kit with those two up front. And it's just you.

2:24 And those songs. Oh, dude, learning those songs is it was crazy because the first time I saw them in Toronto. Right. It was like it was like it was a really good show. Then the second time I saw them, she was like 10 times like tighter with the band and they just sounded so fucking good. And I've seen Rush like in New York, in Boston and. Like all over the map, to be honest. And it's just like. they just sounded so goddamn good. It was not to sound like it was with Neil, but it's its new own thing. And that's what I really loved and appreciated about it. Well, she was probably nervous in the beginning too. Cause like the shoes you're filling, like I, you know, even with Lincoln park. Okay. I know, I know Emily personally. Okay.

3:06 And I saw her at one of the festivals and she was like a deer in the headlights. I don't blame her. Like what, That was the biggest show she ever played at that point when I saw her. So people need to give her some slack. You're filling some big shoes. And I almost think it was smart of Shinodo to get a female instead of trying to copy Chester. Because even Chester, when he was in Stone Temple Pilots, I didn't like him in Stone Temple Pilots because he's trying to be Scott Weiland. I'm like, just be Chester. Honestly, bro, Emptiness Machine has been on my repeat a lot recently. I'm really digging what they're doing, to be honest.

3:47 Well, you know what? She really is really good, but people were giving her so much shit that it's kind of hard when you have to step in those shoes and people are just hating on you like that. That's why I love hearing good stuff about Rush because... People could have done the same shit there too. And I haven't heard anybody say negative shit about her. Well, if you think about it, the people talking shit are always the people that are like, oh, the first album's always better. Why can't this band release stuff like their old shit? And it's just kind of like, well, you got to get with the times a little. You got to modernize. You can't have the same sounding shit all the time. Linkin Park, they got a singer who sounds exactly like Chester. okay great sounds just like chester but you want to feel a little bit of newness yeah you kind of get something different you want to have that call back down down to your original sound but at the same time you kind of want like okay yeah but we have something a little bit better now and we have something a little bit different and you're hoping the fans like it a lot she's getting great fucking reception lincoln park's getting fucking amazing reception right now so it's like that's you just want the band to be successful. You want them to be good. And then they're like, oh, they're selling out. They're doing this.

5:00 It's like, no, they're getting with the times. It's Shinoda's band anyway. It wasn't Chester's band. It was Shinoda's band. So people saying that he shouldn't have done it and all that, it was his band. And listen, Chester is Chester and rest in peace. But that doesn't mean That the rest of the band should have to suffer for the rest of their career or the rest of their life and not do anything. And, you know, I just don't agree with that philosophy. And I come from the gatekeeper generation. And that shit's bullshit. You know, and even to your point, I love what you said because I'm like that sometimes. Like Slayer, my favorite album is Show No Mercy. Metallica, my favorite album is Kill Em All. And you think about it sometimes for people...

5:49 with that it's because they're nostalgic of a time. Number one, number two, that's when they were like, it was almost like you were part of the band then because they weren't big. And there were like, I went to see Metallica with 25 people. Like, you know, so you feel like you're part of something. That's what you're nostalgic over. But now being older, I see the other side of it, the artist side, like, why would you want to stay a garage band? Like, you know, when you start these bands at that age, you don't even know what the fuck you're doing. So you learn your craft, you evolve, you get better. So you want to experiment and do other things, you know, but the gatekeepers from the beginning, they all want to keep you that garage band that box. Yeah, exactly. Like, Hey, I was one of them when the black album came out, I was like, fuck those poser sellouts. I'm not listening to this shit. But it is a great album. And I still love... I even like Sane Anger. Believe it or not. Everybody hates on that shit.

6:55 It has its charm. It's not one of Metallica's best, if I'm going to interject a little bit. It's not one of their best, but Sane Anger does have the riffs. And it does have its charm. There's something about the album that you could kind of listen to it. You could listen to the honesty. Obviously, there was so much shit happening with Metallica when they released that album. Fucking Martin's going to rehab. Fucking. uh jason left the band and fucking everyone kind of was at each other's throats but there's a charm to the band and you could kind of hear that like hey they're not doing well they're angry here's the music they're putting out and the riffs are solid dude like you can't go wrong metallica you. Want fucking frantic is a great fucking song man I think.

7:42 I totally agree. Invisible Kid, I think that's a great song. What Lars was doing with the snare, okay, he's experimenting. I don't give him hate for that. You're a musician. You get bored of doing the same shit. Let's try something different. It didn't work. You listen to Lars' snare then, but then you listen to the majority of either the hardcore bands now some of the thrash bands, some of the, even like the death metal bands or the, or the brutal death metal bands or slam or whatever, they all have that. They they'll turn the snare off and they'll just have those kinds of like those snare bombs. And it's, it's, it's the trash can snare. If you really kind of put it.

8:23 Together, that's a good way of putting it. That is a great way of putting it. Everyone's going to talk shit about Lars' snare. Okay, talk shit, no problem. A, he's fucking Lars Ulrich. He can do whatever the hell he wants. And B, everyone's doing it now anyway, so no one has the right to talk shit. Well, they all talk shit about him with Napster. Now look at all the artists that are suffering. Hello, Lars was right. You fucking idiots. He was right, and you're all suffering because of it. You know? And People just love to hate, and I hate that crap. And that's what I like about your EP Night Terror, because you're talking about all the bullshit that's been going on in the past few years that makes me want to fucking, and I do, disappear into the middle of the jungle. I disappear to Costa Rica and go surfing and hide in the jungle from all these idiots in the world. We're focusing on all these things. that don't affect our life in any way, shape or form. And we're letting these fucking leaders divide us, the oldest trick in the book. And people have become such fucking assholes to be blunt. So I love that your album sings about all this bullshit that's going on right now.

9:39 We live it, especially in Canada, like during COVID, especially if we're going to go back a few years kind of thing, like fucking, we had it rough here. I mean, the whole world had it rough, don't get me wrong. Like I feel for everyone that was impacted and affected, but Canada, we had fucking a thousand different lockdowns different periods oh yeah two weeks oh it's only for two weeks only for two weeks yeah no problem whatever so much bullshit happening so much shit happening on the tv that everyone's kind of locked in like fucking eating it like it's a bag of chips and it's just kind of like there's more to this there's way more to this there's way more behind the scenes this is a whole other conversation for another day. But no no you can write a lot of albums about this okay yeah we might.

10:25 Have to honestly but but you know that's basically what the ep actually started out as like hysteria the the first song on the album it kind of starts out um with that exact commentary like what happened during that period and it kind of it's not about an individual it's about the person actually listening to vep what they're experiencing so when you think about it like just listening to the lyrics listening to the way that the song develops um it just talks about societal collapse it just talks about you know a man in the box telling you what's going on doesn't tell you what to think or feel it's just telling you like it's fucking hysteria we move on to stitches right and stitches is about like okay we're all glued to our phones right we're all seeing this shit on social media we're all consumed by this we saw like internet spikes go crazy during covid because nobody had anything else to fucking do except indulge on uh social media now what are we doing we're just stuck on our phones scrolling for reels for fucking hours right.

11:21 There's this trend there's that trend there's oh you gotta look at this you gotta look like this you gotta do this for yourself you gotta do this oh if you don't do this then you're then you're fucking a weirdo and you're not part of you're not part of the cool people who doing. It it's stupid like i'm a total techie okay except i was telling my daughter one day i'm like You know, some days I just want to drive down the road and take my laptop, my phone and my iPad and throw it out the fucking window and keep driving. And she goes, Dad, who are you kidding? You're just as addicted as anybody. I'm like, you're right. However, I remember what it was like before. Absolutely. And it was so much better. Well, like our generation, man, like we're both 29. And the craziest shit was we actually like were a part of that demographic that could like let go of their phone and they're not totally consumed by their phone. But like if you go just a few generations under us, just kids who are like, you know, 18 to 25, like it's such a different demographic of individuals and they're obsessed with TikTok and obsessed with social media numbers and all that shit. And it blows my mind because like we can still remember just me going over to his house and knocking on the door and saying like, hey, Marco's mom, let's, like, is he home?

12:32 You know what I'm saying? Exactly. People are like, what the fuck? Why am I at my house? Get the fuck away from my. House, bro. Send me a text message first. It's like, nah, bro. Well, like, I remember being in high school and if you wanted to get a check, you sat on the phone talking to her all night long and not on a cell phone because they didn't exist. It was your landline that your parents were eavesdropping on. And nowadays, women, they don't even want to talk on the phone. And that trips me out because it's like. There's no social aspect to shit anymore. It's crazy. It's anti-social media is what I call it. And I do believe that COVID really had a fucking effect on that because it really taught kids to put them in front of a screen. If they want to talk to someone, they have to write an email or they have to write a text about it. There's no more like that interpersonal interaction anymore. where you could literally sit in front of someone and talk and have a conversation and get to know the person you're sitting across the, across the screen from, or across the table from, or even next to someone like there's not, there's none of that anymore. Now it's all like, Oh, well, what are they saying? Oh, I have to text them. I have to text emoji emoji.

13:40 It's like, we're just talking about this today. I was talking to this about somebody because like I get all the time, like people, clients of mine and stuff like that, something that would take like a, two minute phone call i'm like well call me oh no we need to do zoom i like to do face to face and i'm like that's not face to face that's video to video okay face to face is actually sitting in front of somebody and not looking at yourself while you're talking to them yeah absolutely i never knew what my facial expression was while i was talking to people before this shit Now, sometimes I look, I'm like, oh, fuck, that's what I'm looking like. Oh, OK. You know, it's like it's people can't be social anymore. And it's it's causing all this issue because social media and the Internet. I don't think things are that much different now politically than they were in the eighties. The difference is we have too much in our face all the time that we have to see. And like you watch the news, it's the same story over and over and over again. You watch for an hour, you've seen the same story like 50 times or brainwashing you and the propaganda and everything else. Like, listen, there's something to be said about ignorance is bliss because the bottom line is, We worry about things that may

15:11 never affect our life in any way, shape or form. Like, because it's constantly in front of us and arguing like, you know, Hey, I grew up even with politics. You didn't tell people who you voted for. It was none of their business. I remember being a kid and my parents saying, when you vote, it's your business. It's your personal choice. And nobody has to know who you voted for now. It's like they're gangbangers coming up to you, putting you up against, well, who'd you vote for? Who'd you vote for? And in my opinion, it should still be like that. People shouldn't know who everyone votes for because then you automatically get that image associated to you. It's like, oh, well, you voted for this guy. Oh, you must be this kind of person. And I'm not going to deal with you or I'm not even going to give you the time of day or even have a conversation.

15:58 Exactly. Because of who you vote for or your opinions on this and that and this and that. And then a lot of people will fall under that category of like, oh, well, I have to think this way and I have to say this because if not, then some troll on the Internet is going to make fun of me or cancel me or, fucking think I'm some person that I'm not when it's just kind of like, hey, everyone's just trying to live. You're allowed your own opinions. You're allowed your own thoughts and everyone should have their own thoughts. And we learn from people different from us, not the same as us. I'd rather talk to somebody who has a different opinion as long as they're not an asshole and have a conversation. And maybe you might learn something. Maybe they might learn something. That's the difference. Everybody like, I can only be your friend if you think exactly like me. And that is why AI is going to take over. That is why AI is going to destroy humanity.

16:50 And listen, I blame my generation. I'm generation X, man. We built all this shit. We built all this shit to make our life easier. It did not make our life easier. It backfired. And we said in the eighties, AI was going to take over. What happened in the news the other day, that guy, that whistleblower, he's like, oh, the end of humanity will be at the end of this decade. And, uh, it's, it's kind of wild. Like what we're living in and people don't even check anything. Like if they see something on social media, yeah. A headline, a clickbait headline, they just take the ball and run with it. And they don't even read the damn article or do any research. I mean, I've said to somebody, is that peer reviewed? And they're like, yeah, all my friends agree with me.

17:39 But bro, that's what I'm saying. Like that is exactly like what our EP talks about. These are all learned behaviors. Humans learn from each other. You don't just, you know, you. Don't just come out one day. And my favorite example is, is drivers. If you actually watch drivers, they actually replicate what they were like when their parents were in the car with them. This is a crazy psychological study. And if your parents were yelling and say, Oh, this guy's that fucking asshole. He cut me off. Like you're you, when you grow up, you will do that. And you don't even realize why you're doing it. But the EP talks about all this. So from hysteria talking about the societal collapse and what happens in the case of like mass hysteria, then we take it to stitches. We look at social media, we look at overindulgence and trying to be perfect, chasing perfection. Women, of course, like I feel so bad for a lot of women in our generation because they're so consumed with like being perfect and, you know, the lip fillers and the Botox.

18:30 And all this shit. It's like the girls just have to understand. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? No, but they're like, they have to understand they have something that is beautiful inside of them that nobody could like, like nobody on the planet could even, you know, describe essentially. So it's like, you know, you don't need Botox. You don't need all that shit. You're, you're beautiful as, as you are as a human being, you know? No doubt. If you want to do. That and express yourself by all means, go ahead. But Stitches explores the toxicity that comes along with social media and chasing that perfection and always wanting, you can have like, the best partner in the world. And then you see online, there's some attractive person and you drop your partner for somebody just because of the way they look. And it's like, people are being taught these behaviors. Yeah.

19:10 And then we look at blue dream, right? Blue dreams. Like I want to get the fuck away from all this. So I'm going to, you know, me and Marco, me and Marco, if you're familiar with blue dream, we've smoked a lot of blue dream in our time. And basically we, That song kind of takes you on the trip. You know what I'm saying? Like escaping all the bullshit for a second and like, you know, relaxing a bit. But then you realize like, oh, fuck, I'm dependent on this shit. And it's not good. Paranoia comes in. The paranoia starts setting in and you're just like, this isn't really real. This is just for a brief moment in time. No, no. We go to Night Terror. It's that fucking realization. Like, holy shit. What the fuck is going on? Realizing what's going on around you.

19:54 I have night terror. Every time I come back to the U S man, literally I like I'll, I'll go like Costa Rica surfing and my brother will call me up. It will be like, So did you, did you see the news today? I'm like, no. And I don't give a fuck. And I'm going surfing. Don't bother me. Go obsess over the news on your own. You know, cause you do have to step away from all this shit. That's why everybody has anxiety and panic attacks and all this shit going on because they can't step away from it. There's no downtime. There's not even like I experienced it on radio stations. I've, clients that text me at like three in the morning about something they need a month from now. And then they're sending me a, a Facebook message that they texted me and I don't answer that.

20:50 And then they send me an email that they did both of those and they're freaking out. They start panicking. Oh my God, why are you not answering me? Maybe because it's three in the morning and maybe because your urgent thing ain't for a fucking month from now. You know, it's like, People need to be able to chill out. And unfortunately, the media, social media, the internet, the political leaders, none of them let us chill out and just step away. Everyone needs to kind of find within them the means to chill out. Like, for example, you're mentioning surfing. You go surfing a lot. That's fucking fantastic. That's your way of disconnecting from all the bullshit and all the noise.

21:31 Totally. And you're kind of immersed in what you need to do. For Giuseppe and I, and even Nico, our drummer, it's music. We're immersed. We want to disconnect. Okay, guys, we're doing a jam this week. Okay, for three hours, we're in a room. Our phones are away, except for if we want to record something for ideas, you know. And we're together. Hey, man, I like what you did over there. Play that fill again. You know, maybe change the riff up a little bit. Hey, guys, do you like it like this or should I play it like this? And you're interacting and you're having opinions and you're having everyone's opinions and you're talking about it. Giuseppe can be like, yo, bro, play the riff this way. I'll be like, no, I'm going to play it this way. And sometimes we go at it where we're like, hey, dude, It's shit. You'll be like, yo, bro, it's shit. And it's like, okay, how do we come together? I'm not going to send you an email about the tabs I'm writing.

22:20 And I'm like, no, we're going to sit down and we're going to fucking hash this out right now. So that way we have a beautiful product that comes out of it. Yeah. We've actually learned a lot from each other just by like, you know, through music. Like me and Marco have been best friends since we were like children, you know. Nice. like getting to create with each other and. Finally getting the cp out it's been we learned so much from each other like it's crazy and now when we like our writing process is just so much it's evolved so much because i think the traditional way is like somebody has a whole song idea and they fucking bring it together like recently like we've just been free jamming for like hours and just adding riffs and adding. I love that that's old school right there it's. But it's beyond like it's like i can't even fucking yesterday we're in the studio right and we're just fucking recording for like 30 40 minutes on just like different progressions and it just keeps on evolving and it's like you know it's funny for a thrash band and like a groove band or you know whatever the.

23:08 Fuck people are calling us dark rock that's what people are calling. Us anyways call us whatever the fuck you want at the end of the day we're sitting there jamming for like 30 40 minutes and we come out with this thing that was like unbelievable and i'm like shit that was like really. Good and none of it was planned it's. All improv right so so wait it should be. Man, the level of musicianship that we've gotten to over the years has just been incredible. And to be able to do that, you know. And it's the best therapy there is. Best therapy for you, the artist, and for me, the listener, you know. And that's why I love working all these music festivals, I guess. Get to escape the world. You know, all the shit that's going on in the world ain't happening. You know, and I do think about, like, nowadays, when I go into a mosh pit, I have to turn to whoever I'm with and say, here, hold my phone. I didn't worry about that shit in the 80s. I didn't have anything in my pockets or anything I had to worry about.

24:05 Just go in and do. And then you watch these people. Oh, it's so annoying to me. I don't care if people take pictures and videos. I have to do it for my job. But listen, fucking watching the whole show on your phone. Like, what the hell is that? mind-boggling oh my god like just be present you can watch that home on youtube man even when i am doing stuff for my job you know i have the phone over on the side i'm watching the show i just position the phone where it's on there video for like 30 60 seconds and then it's back in my pocket and i'm participating but even when i'm holding the phone up i'm not looking through the phone like what are these people doing watching through the phone? I don't get it.

24:59 Oh my God. Like it's, I love it. One time somebody was in the front row on their phone and Corey Taylor went up and smacked it out of his hand. And, and I'm like, I'm fucking cheering over that. Cause like, come on. That's also, I think if I were the artist up there, I'd be really insulted by that crap. For sure. For sure. And like, I was at a, I was at an uncle acid and the dead beach show a few years back. And there was a guy exactly same situation as you. He was on his phone the whole fucking time. And the guy is singing the singer. He's singing his song. Everyone's jamming. Everyone's jumping. It's a great fucking riff. It's having a good time. And the singer's telling him, you'll put your phone away, put your phone away. Like literally like directly at the guy, put your phone away. And the guy's there like, Oh, I know.

25:48 Right. He just kicks the phone out of the guy's hand. The phone goes flying. It's at least in four or five pieces. The guys, I guess he's wearing docs or something and just the phone shatters and everyone's going crazy. And I'm like, dude, that's the most rock and roll thing I've ever done. Nice. Nice. I love rock and roll. I was like, no, that's fucking cool. I would like sometimes my media coverage. The videos will be funny because the videos will either be like shaking because I'm jumping, you know, when they're telling you to jump and I'm just holding the phone jumping. One time, this was the funniest shit ever, I was in a Bring Me the Horizon pit and I was filming it, you know, only for a little bit for, you know, media.

26:38 And somebody sideswiped me And that phone flew out of my hand and it was in the air. Like I, it was like in slow motion to me. Okay. It was like flipping through the air drops on the ground, right in the pit. And people, and people are like still going in the pit. And I just dove down and grabbed it. And I, the part I was happiest about was the fact that it was still filming and it actually filmed somebody stepping on my phone. I wasn't upset. I was like, man, that's cool as shit. Pit POV, bro.

27:21 That's great stuff. I'm like, okay, I'm sharing this shit because, hey, this is what it's like to be in the pit. We were talking about the surfing. I can't scroll TikTok while I'm on a surfboard. That's a good one. You know, find things you're into and put the phone away. What's going to happen? What's the worst that's going to happen if you don't respond to your phone? Like back before this stuff, if you called a business when they were closed, you didn't freak out or panic. You knew they're not getting back to you till the next day.

28:04 And you went about your life. But even like what's on your phone, like what you're going to miss a text message. Okay. It's a text message. It's going to be there when you check your phone in an hour or two. It's good. The email is going to be there. The video your friend is sending you is going to be there still. It's not like you're missing something live. If anything, you're going to miss something live. If you're not on, that's what happens. And sometimes too, when you do that after a while, you get a different perspective because there's times I've been out surfing for like four hours. And I come back to my phone and I turn the phone on. I'm like, fuck this and turned it back off because it's like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. None of it's important. Like not what we deem as important.

28:49 It's just not that important. Live life, man. Enjoy life. And that is what I love about your EP is because you're letting us know that, hey, it's time to live life and not. focus on all this stuff because we can't change it and i'm a big believer now i'm a motivational speaker too like you can't change things you can only change your attitude towards them like absolutely you know this whole climate that we're in there's nothing us peons can do about it but how we approach it whole different story. And that's like the message what we really portray and like if we're going to leave words is just kind of we want listeners to be themselves think for themselves do what they love do what they want to do with their time not because oh some asshole on the internet told them to do it this way it's no no you like fucking uh bedazzling rocks bro by all means bedazzle all the rocks in the world bro if this is you and this brings you peace and this brings you comfort We support it. We support whatever you want to do that makes you happy. However you want to think that benefits yourself, do it.

30:05 I always say that. I always say you do you. As long as you're not doing something to intentionally harm other people or yourself, you do you. People talk about stuff that doesn't even affect their life about what other people do. I don't give a shit. about what you do with your life as long as you're being a good person and a good human being and not purposely trying to do shit to people. Why do people care how other people live their life? There's so many subjects we could talk about, but that's what goes on right now. Oh, if you do this, blah, blah, blah. If you do this, blah, blah, blah.

30:49 Shut up. At the end of the day, people are just depraved. And they just, they want something to hate on. They want something to be negative towards because they, they love being able to talk shit and they want to, they, they actively go out and look for something to talk shit. You like this band. Great. You don't like this band. You have every right to like that, to not like that band, but for you to, to fuck with someone else and say, Oh, well you like this band, you're an asshole or you're a poser or you're this or you're that it's, Why, man? You're entitled to your opinion. And by all means, go ahead. Have all the opinions in the world. But don't start messing on someone else's opinion because of what they like or what they like to do or what brings them happiness.

31:34 I'll give you a perfect example. I have a brother that if somebody does not agree with him, they're uneducated and they're uninformed. And I always say to him, or... And I use a lot of ors. I'm like, or... They grew up somewhere different than you. Or they had different experiences than you. Or they had different education than you. Or they had different jobs than you. Or they have different viewpoints than you. And then I say, there's 10 million other ors. And he goes, no, they're just uneducated and uninformed. And those are the type of people we're dealing with in society nowadays that think that way. But you know what? it's our diversity that makes the world great.

32:17 Not our similarities. Absolutely. You couldn't have said it better. And at the end of the day, you quote big Lebowski and you just go, Hey man, that's just, that's just your opinion. Exactly. And I think if we traveled the world too, that's another thing that we would be enlightened, you know, a lot because everybody lives in their little bubble. Okay. And listen, In my country, that's always been the case. Like when I was younger, don't go anywhere else. It's so scary out there. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I remember the first time I went to Europe, I was like, what the hell were they talking about? I feel freer here than I do at home. And like getting to know people's cultures and how they live. And then you find out. Here's the saddest part I found out.

33:07 Is the third world countries are the ones that have the more manners, the more respect and are the nicest human beings of anywhere. Of course, your country, your country is known for the nicest fucking people anywhere. People, yeah, 100 percent, you know, and like so more people should be like that. It's like. I have a bunch of Canadian friends, but one of my friends, she was on the phone with me while I was walking down the road in Costa Rica. And somebody said, sorry, she goes, they must be Canadian. And she was right. She was right. Actually, you know, sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh no, you sorry. I must, I must've been Canadian in previous life. Cause I do that all the time. Like I'll bump into somebody.

33:53 but they actually bumped into me, not me bumping into them. And I say, sorry. And sometimes afterwards I'm like, why did I say, sorry, this person did to me, but you know, it's just a matter of having respect for other human beings, being a good human being. And you know what? I always say this in motivational speeches. Why the fuck do you want to be negative? Why do you want to be frowning? It takes 64 muscles to frown and only 12 to smile. It's a lot easier to smile. Yep. You know, And you have these people that have nothing like Bali. There's people that literally have nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. And everybody you walk by, they'll be like, Hey, how you doing? They don't know you just, Hey, how you doing?

34:37 Have a nice day. I can, I sit there. I'm like, well, we can learn a lot because we're not having in the United States. We're not having a nice day. If, uh, you know, we don't have a better card at our neighbor, you know, uh. The barista fucked up my coffee order. Yeah, exactly. Or go make it yourself. The one I hate the most, I thought it would be cured with COVID is the festival bitchers. You know, the ones that are like a band drops out and they're like, Oh, that's the only reason I was going to the festival. Then you're an idiot. Go to their concert. Cause the festival show ain't going to be the same, a festival. So you can have the experience and experience new music. Okay.

35:20 It's not just because one band, like there's 160 bands and you only care about one. You're the idiot, is what I kind of say. You spend way too much money just to see one band. Right, exactly. And oh my God, they dropped out. So now it's the end of the world and you're going to have the worst experience ever. And that's the thing. It's also... they're going to have the worst experience, but they're going to make sure that you're not going to have a good experience because all they're going to talk about is all this one band dropped out. And it's just, you're trying to have a good time. It's like, okay, they dropped out. It sucks, but we'll catch them. They're in town. Oh, well, they're a young band. They'll, they'll still be touring. It's not like it's their farewell tour. Like, I know. Right. Like, and it's, you know, we need more of music in the world and less of all the chatter that, I have actually a solution to all the world's problems, by the way. I don't know if I could ever make it happen, but my solution is you have one major metal music festival that the whole world is required to attend except the political leaders.

36:29 They're banned. Security has strict instructions that they are not allowed in the venue and just put everybody in a mosh pit And we'll all work it out and hug at the end. And there you go. Solve the problems because listen, they think we're Neanderthals going into mosh pits. I think it's the most civilized thing you could do. Cause it, listen, there's a lot of people that have been saved from me kicking their ass by me going into a mosh pit. And, you know, we have that rule, pick them up and we all, you know, like all these big scary dudes are hugging each other at the end of a, of a song. Like the world can learn a lot from metal heads. That's all I'm going to say.

37:17 Absolutely. I, I think we totally agree with you on that. And it's, it's, it's funny because even like non metal heads, like we have a lot of friends and we surround ourselves with a lot of diverse groups of people because it's just, it's how we grew up. Like grew up with, from immigrant families and stuff like that. Came, he came here post world war two to make a better life for themselves and We were brought up on a special set of values and stuff like that. And not to judge a book by its cover and really kind of get to know the person you're with and all that stuff. And even metal heads, we are the nicest people, not only festival wise, but in general. Yes. The music we listen to is aggressive, sometimes scary, sometimes brutal, sometimes negative, sometimes mean, whatever. But at the end of the show, as you said, we're all hugging each other. Oh, share a beer. Oh, you want to puff with this joint? Oh, do you have a cig? Do you have this? Like, Everyone's looking out. No, but it's true. Everyone's looking out.

38:08 No outsiders. There's no outsiders. We're all outsiders. And in this, on the inside, it doesn't matter. You know what? You want to be a banana? Be a banana. I had the most fun at Bloodstock last month in a mosh pit with a bunch of dinosaurs. Like, you know, that was fun. It was a lot of fun. Like, And the thing is, is it's true. We're like one big happy family. I mean, I have a perfect example. I have somebody that used to work for me and I had to cover two festivals in one weekend. She was a country girl, a redneck. And I was like, you got to cover this other show. And she was scared.

38:50 She's like, I've never been to a rock show in my life, much less metal. And I'm like, well, listen, let me tell you how it's going to go. You go to these country shows with a bunch of rednecks drinking Jack Daniels and having fistfights. There are no fights at a metal show for the most part. You're going to go there and you're going to make a bunch of new friends, probably get a new boyfriend, and you're going to see that we're one big family and the nicest people you ever met. She comes back after the weekend. She's like, oh my God, you were so right. I made all these new friends. I teabagged some guy. He's now my boyfriend. And, uh, have this new favorite band.

39:33 I don't know if you know them. They're called Bring Me to Rise. I'm like, yeah, I think I might know who they. Are. A small little band. Yeah, exactly. I think if everybody experienced what it's really like instead of what they perceive us to be, Because it is funny when I talk about this with some of my band friends are like, yeah, let's not let them know. Let's keep them thinking we're scary because we'll keep the assholes out. Because that is what happens. Sometimes you got these assholes that come in and they're not metalheads and they want to show how tough they are. They find out that we are a community that protects each other real quick.

40:13 They find out the hard way. And you know what? It's a lesson learned for them. They're going to realize, oh, we're not going to fuck with the metalheads. Because, yeah, they may look scary and be really, really nice. But shit hits the fan. We're coming together. And you're going to be strongly outnumbered. No doubt. No doubt. And even when we kick your ass at the end of it, we're going to offer you a beer. Exactly. It is what it is. It's like, hey, look, you just found out the hard way. Welcome. Lesson learned. Lesson learned. So tell everybody how they can reach out to you guys on socials, even though we were talking shit about the socials. Hey, man. Full circle moment. I know, right? And how they can get your new AP and check out your shows. And most importantly, buy your merch because they can't listen to my show unless they buy your merch.

41:03 So, yeah, you can buy our merch and access our music on our website, ombra.band. we're about to be dropping some merch this week. Actually, we got a whole new line. This is one of the caps. Nice. But yeah, socials at a band called Ombra on Instagram. And pretty much that's where you can catch us, man. Like we're only on those two places really on our website or on Instagram or on Facebook too. Nice. And is there any other words you want to tell, final words you want to tell the listeners about your new album, about your band that we haven't covered already? Um, honestly, man, not really. I think we covered a lot of shit, but I hope you guys really enjoy it. We put our heart and soul into that. And, um, man, we can't wait to drop some more music for you guys in the new year.

41:48 That's nice. I can't wait till you're at one of the festivals I'm at. Hell yeah, man. So we can hang out. 100%. Love it. You guys rock. And, uh, thank you a lot for giving us great music that has a great message. And thanks for being on the adventures of pipe, man. Awesome. Thank you for having us. And to the listeners, thank you for supporting. Keep supporting heavy music and keep on rocking. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pikeman on W4CY radio.