Anberlin & Taken By Tides at Welcome to Rockville 2026 - PipemanRadio Interviews

0:04 Hi, you have done to censure? Wow for you. Young where runn? Can you feel so good? This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And this is my last interview before I get on the road. And I have to drive three hours over to the west coast of Florida for an Alice Cooper show, and then drive three hours back and then tomorrow morning three and a half hours up to Daytona four one of my favorite festivals of the whole year. Welcome to Rockville, and I have with us our guest who it's close.

1:00 My real name is Dean, and he's Dion. Sometimes people call me that too, because I don't know it's an a. It shouldn't be Deon. Yeah, you and me both I you know, at Starbucks or whatever all the time. You know, it's I get, I get, I get. I go from Dion to Dean for a whole lot of times, so I must. And I'm glad to hear it's a two way street and it doesn't just happen to me. Yeah, see, like maybe we're doppel Gigger's or something. Yeah, there go look alike. But yeah, your band's bad ass. Amberlin and you're gonna be Welcome to Rockville, which is even more badass. Have you played Welcome to Rockville before? I know you've played the other Danny Wimmer festivals, but have you played this one.

1:44 We have not, which is funny just because you know, we are a Florida band. We're just directly west across the coast, you know, on the Gulf and in the Tampa Bay area, so it's it's funny that we have not played Rockville yet. So we're pretty excited to, you know, make our debut this year. I think the most exciting thing is is I don't even know if you notice yet, but you're gonna be able to drive on the speedway to get to uh wherever you got to go. Well, that'll be fun. I've actually done that before. I grew up, going to Turkey Rod run over in daytime. Next. My family was big into the hot rods, so I was I've been able to get out there on the speedway and they because they do this photo op at the speedway where you can take your picture on like not on one of the banks obviously because like a forty five degree angle, but you know, like one of going into one of the turns. It says Daytona, USA on the on the wall, so they let you park your car in front of that and take a picture and everything. So it's pretty fun experience. I mean, it's a it's an impressive, uh track. I mean, and the history behind it and everything, you know, obviously is really cool.

2:48 So you know, growing up, growing up, just you know, with all this stuff car related and watching NASCAR and things like that, it's it's always cool to make the trip over there. So it's even double cool that we get to play there this year. Well, you know, it's funny too because I do all the Danny Wimmer festivals. I do festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and I got excited this year because I'm actually going to be interviewing the NASCAR driver, Like so that's new. That's different. You know. It's like it's like my youngest story. She'll ask me a lot before festivals, like are you excited, And I'm like, well, I don't know if excited it's the word. I love doing it, but when you do it every weekend, I don't know if exciting is the appropriate word. But then there's moments like that that, yeah.

3:37 I mean that'll be different, you know for sure if you're used to I'm sure you know, if you're used to interviewing musicians and then going from that to uh, you know, the world of racing, which we we got it. We got to uh hang out with a few guys that were affiliated with NASCAR last year on tour when we were up and Charlotte, since right down the road is like the home of NASCAR, you know, and so one of our crew guys has a he's got a friend that he's the guy that basically he paints all the driver's helmets. So he took us out to this like competitive go kart track and we were racing with a few of the uh next tail or not next tell what is it? Next tells they've been the funk for years. Anyways, we're you know, we were racing with a few of the uh you know, kind of like drivers from like the couple of steps you know below uh you.

4:28 Know, uh the main drivers but next uh stuffing like that. There was there's a couple of I don't know, I don't know the. I can't remember. Yeah, I'm not I obviously don't keep up with it anymore. But yeah, uh, we uh, you know, we got to drive with a few of the drivers, which was really fun with this go kart track, and then and then Dale Junior came out to say hi, which was crazy. I mean, you know, I grew up watching Dale Earnhardt senior race and was watching the race win he you know, had his unfortunate accident, and of course you know watching Dale Junior drive as well was you know, a part of growing up. So it was really cool to meet him and you know, got to take a picture with him and stuff.

5:16 So it was really cool. But it's really just interesting getting a little insight into that world there because I mean it's all it's not like you know, the NFL or whatever where you know, all the teams are spread across the US, you know, right NASCAR, you you basically are in that area. So it's like when they say it's the home of NASCAR, that's because that's where like every team is just you know, most of the drivers live there. So just a weird world to get some insight into. So that was really fun. I'm always interested because you know, having dialogue with people that you know, they asked a lot of questions about you know, what it's like being in a touring band and things like that, and then I get I get just as excited, like ask him about like, well, what's it. What's it like with like, you know, working on the you know, the NASCAR circuit. You know, it's you know, because you got all these different levels. You know, people start on like competitive go carts, and they'll go up to like the sprint cars and like you know, then they're driving the trucks and then it's just it's just such an interesting world to me. So it's it's cool to Yeah, it's cool to meet people in different fields like that that are doing really you know, interesting things.

6:19 You know. What I think is really cool too, is okay. So hearing you say all those things, what came to mind immediately is like, wow, that's pretty cool. A musician fanboying out on NASCAR driver like it. It just makes you like a normal person. Like people look at musicians like like they're not normal people sometimes like we're only going to be into music, right, you know, and like you don't get like oh my god to somebody or whatever, you know, and it just shows you're just like they are. Yeah, I mean I think you know, it's uh everybody's got their interest and you know, I and like I said, even if I wasn't to Nascar, I would still be enamored by the whole thing, right Just I you know, I always like hearing like what it's like in different industries or whatever, you know, like talk, you know, talking, you know, when we've had shot music videos in the past and we've had to hire actors, you know what, one of our music videos years ago, we had a couple of people that, you know, they were younger actors that were trying to break in, you know, so they were affordable for us. They you know, they weren't celebrities yet.

7:28 But it was just really interesting talking to them about, you know, the world of acting as they're they're you know, filming a music video for us. So it's yeah, like I said, it's just cool meeting people in other fields and like hearing what it takes to you know, be competitive and make it in those in those other fields, you know, because I mean I've been playing in bands since I was fourteen years old, and you know, it's just that's like just what I know, and so it's it's super normal to me, but it may not seem normal to somebody else and vice versa. But what's the normal to them is like really intriguing to me, you know. Yeah, So it's you know, and I'm just I'm a talker. I like just talking to people and getting to know them and everything. So it's it's always fun when it's something you're actually interested in, you know, and you get to hear some like you know, inside scoop on things and whatever.

8:16 Yeah, and it's like at that daytime speedway, it is a trip because first year we were over there from Jacksonville, I was looking at the wall and I'm like, it does not look like that on TV. That wall looked scary, okay in a person. In person, it's like, holy shit, I couldn't even stand on that wall much. Let's drive it. And then I joked around with Christine, who runs media at Rockville, and I, you know, because I live in South Florida and West bum Beach area. So I drove my jeep up and I had my skateboard in the jeep and I'm like hey, and I was just kidding, but I was like, hey, do you think I'd lose my media credential if I took my skateboard on the wall, and it's like I was saying something my son like, yeah, I wouldn't have done it till after the festival's over because I can't break all my bones before doing interviews. Yeah.

9:12 We actually instituted a no skateboarding rule on one tour because you know, if you the guys brought their skateboards and like one of our crew guys almost dislocated his elbow, you know, our guitarist Christian almost like twisted an ankle, and I, your tour manager, was like. That's it. No more skateboards the rest of the tour. That's great. See I love stories like that. And speaking of stories, okay, so let's go back to when you were fourteen, because it's also interesting to me because my grandson who's going to becoming a Rockville he just turned fifteen. He is a musician and he's following my footsteps. Like it's so funny. One day was a kid, next day it's like, what do you want for your birthday? Oh, I want a guitar. Okay, let's go and I want the guitar. And then next time I see him, he's got a battle vest on. I'm like, holy crap, he's not my kid's kid. He's my kid, you know. And but I asked him recently, I'm like, because he was trying to start a band and I'm like, so, how's it going with that? And he's like, I've been really found to write people, like he's struggling to find the people to have a band with. So tell us about your story going way back when how that happened.

10:28 It's I was. Fortunate my brother, my older brother, he when we were young, we started my dad had a drum set. My dad was a drummer. And for an end of year minor league baseball party one year, a couple of the dads got together and there's one that played guitar and sang one that played bass, and they knew my dad played drums. And my dad was like, oh, I'll just go pick up a secondhand drum kit, you know, and for the party, you know, like at a pawnshop or something. He actually he ended up which I don't know, I don't know what he paid for it. You know, it was only like twelve but uh, he he ended up getting this gold Slingerland jazz.

11:10 Kit that was, you know, just beautiful. It was. It's like it wasn't he didn't just buy some cheap drum set. He founded, you know, a drum set for like a decent price. I'm you know, I'm sure my mom wasn't happy about it, but uh but you know he so we from that point on after he after they did the end of the year party, we had a drum set in the house. So my brother and I would fight over who could play it. And and eventually I got sick of him and pushing me off because I was the young I was the little brother. So I decided I wanted to try and play guitar or something. Well, a kid down the street already played guitar, so we decided we were going to start a band. I needed to play bass, so I, uh, you know, I had some money saved up from mowing lawns and stuff.

11:52 Around the neighborhood. And I went and bought for like one hundred and twenty bucks, bought out this cheap cruise bass and create one ten little practice lamp, and you know, started taking lessons and things like that, and and then you know, the kid turned out, the kid down the street that was a guitarist, he lost interest in music really quick. He wanted to play at golf and baseball, you know. So around that time, we're you know, we're in high school and uh, you know, about about fourteen years old, and my brother meets this guy, uh named DJ at a summer school, you know, and they start, you know, they find out that they have the same interest in music and they like a lot of the same bands.

12:37 So uh, you know, turn it turns out DJ's guitarists and sing a little bit. So we just got together, my and my in one of our bedrooms one day and you know, started trying to write some songs and that became my first band. Played my first show when I was like fourteen or fifteen, shortly after that, and it seemed like a massive show to me at the time. It we I mean we I think we advertised for like months for it, you know, around around our schools and everything, and but there was maybe fifty people there. I'm sure, but you know, it's for kids. First show. It just seemed it seemed that like the place was slammed, you know, and it was really cool, and I was just hooked after that. I just wanted to keep these shows, That's all I wanted, you know, So, uh, you know, just fast forward a few years later, you kind of cycle went out with different musicians, you know that you find here and there, and you know, some guys can stick with it, some guys.

13:33 Can't, you know. And I. Finally ended up playing with Joey, who's our guitarist and Amber Wind. He and I met at a comic shop one day one of our ur We had a mutual friend that ended up ditching us to go do drugs. So Joey j always like, hey, man, I went nearby. You want to run to my house real quick? I'm like sure. We walk into his Uh. We walk into his bedroom and he's not only got you know, he's got like all was punk rock and metal vinyl, you know, by sitting by his record player and he's got an epiphone, West Paul sitting by his band. I'm like, you play guitar? He's like yeah. He was like, do you know when you know effect songs? You know, like the first band of the Product of Mind.

14:13 He like, he immediately started playing. I think it was like sticking in my eye or something like that, you know, and just just crazy. You know, well, not a lot of kids when you know, at fifteen, sixteen years old, not a lot of kids could you know, pull off no effects songs are let alone play the lead, you know, playing lf Haf's leads. So so it was really cool. We bonded really quickly. And at that time, I was already kind of I was playing in a couple of bands, just with different people, and I was just starting to play in a band with a friend of mine named. Stephen, who later on became the singer of Amberwin. You know. So it's just kind of a it took years, I think, you know, a couple of years to find the right people, and you know, I was just fortunate that in my small.

14:55 Town and Winter him and there were like minded. Musicians who were into the same type of music, and you know, and we were able to start a band in high school. And then you know, through playing. Over the years and like Lake Wind and Tampa and Saint Pete, we met who are now drummer Nate, you know, by playing with his band that he was in at the time with his brother. So yeah, it's just a weird journey, I would I was talking to some good friends of mine that live in Kansas City and they had they have they have a fifteen year old son named River who he's been playing drums for a few years now, and he's at the point where he really wants to start a band. You know, he wants to be the next Taylor Hawkins. He's he idolizes Taylor Hawkins and the food Fighters, you know, and he uh, he's he's having the same issue. You know, he's just not finding those that the right group of kids that share his you know, his interest in the same type of music, or they even want to you know that play instruments or want to be in a band. So, you know, I was just trying to I was just trying to encourage you, my stun to talk to him about it.

15:59 You know. It's like you say, just give a time, keep practicing. You're gonna find the right guys. You know. It's my viewpoint is is like I'm gonna have my grandson listen to this, because all of that led to us having this talk about Welcome to Rockville. Yeah. So, you know, let's you are. Every band goes through it. You go through people you want to play with, you don't want to play with, people, leave people do things, you know, but I do have a based on what happened with you. I have a trivia question for you, all right, who is one of the greatest bassist ever that never wanted to be a bassist, was a guitar player and basically drew the short straw and had to play bass.

16:43 Uh me, I'm just kidding. That's funny because that is how I started playing bass. But I wouln't consider myself the best bass player. That's why I asked the question. Because of that. Ah geez, I don't think I know that one. I mean, I can think I could think of a lot of people I would consider to be, you know, great bass players, like you know, obviously Geddy Wee from Rush is one of the greatest of all time. But I think he was always a bass player. Yeah, uh, I don't know. You got me, stump. Who is it? Paul McCartney. Oh, that makes sense because all three. Of them played guitar. And now if you listen to the Beatles songs, you hear his bass because I always loved the Beatles, but I never really heard till I knew that the influence because he plays it like a guitar.

17:31 Yeah he he you know, yeah, it's the way he structures his way, he structures his bass lines. Or yeah. I mean it makes sense really think about it. So that's that's interesting. I mean, I guess that should have been kind of obvious, you know, it's since he you know, obviously he's well versed in guitar. Right, But yeah, that's cool. You know, it is funny, I think because I am a bit of a I feel like an anomaly in the sense that I literally only know how to play bass. I know a little bit of guitar I've picked up over the years, you know, playing like some mi bar chords and open chords and things like that, you know, but I started on the bass. I took lessons for the bass, I you know, because there's so many bands that the bass player is a guitarist. They just there's just nobody in town that played bass. So somebody went, okay, I'll play.

18:21 Bass, you know, exactly exactly. So yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. You know. I think a lot of times when I do meet people that are purely bass players and that's the instrument that they started. Like Nick from Bayside is a guy like that. He and I share a lot in common in that respect. We're both just bass players. That's what we are. It's what we do. There it is and then you're needed. People don't realize how much of a difference having bass in a song means, you know. Yeah, I mean I think I have a friend who's a ripping guitar player. He's a really good blues player named Chris Walker. And it's funny. He got asked to fill in on a bass for some band that was kind of doing like a little like there was like this blues band and they were doing like a reunion, but their bass player wasn't around anymore.

19:10 So they asked Chris. If he could fill in on bass, and he's like, I guess so, And he calls me up and ask if he could borrow. A bass, and so I lent him. I lent him a Mustang bass to play, and after the gig he was like, man that He's like, I almost wanted to start playing bass from here on now. He's like that was so much fun. Wow, that's cool. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I know, I was like I enjoy it, you know, And that may not be the most glamorous of instruments, but uh, it's you know, it's it's like you said, it's very much needed and you know, you can have a lot of fun playing bass. You really can't. And then and I have for many years. There you go, Now, what else do you guys got going on after Rockville that people need to look out for? Tell people I also connecting with you socials on the web and all that.

19:51 Oh man, we're about to get busy. We Uh So we played Rockville on the seventh, and then we come home for just a few days and on the thirteenth we head out to start four and a half week headline tour. Where we are we're kind of doing a celebration tour of our second album, Never Take Friendship Personal. We did the first leg last year. We're doing a second leg this year of a lot of the cities, you know, the areas that we didn't get to hit last year. So yeah, we're gonna be We get a couple of days to rest between the two, you know, the two things. But we we hit the road literally on the thirteenth, drive up, starting the tour in dustin, Florida, and then we just take it from there.

20:33 So we're really excited to get back out on tour and uh, you know, rock out some fans and hang out and say hi. To everybody. Nice. Well, I'll have to tell my daughter, who's going to be at Rockville to go to your set because she lives near Dustin. Oh nice, and maybe she'll show up to your show because I don't even know if she she knows you your band yet. You know, I'm sure she probably does, but maybe who knows? Uh, So I'm gonna tell her. Yet, you gotta go to You gotta go to the set and check it out, so maybe you want to go near you. And you know, it's funny you mentioned about no effects because when I took my grandson to play and buy that guitar, I didn't know he knew how to play array and he wrote guitar senter and pulled the guitar down and started playing Green Day. I'm like, holy shit, how do you know how to do that? You know? So there it is.

21:25 You know, I love it, and I love that You're gonna be at Rockville. It's going to be badass, And thank you for being on the Adventures of Payment. Absolutely, thank you for having me, and maybe we'll run each other on run into each other on Thursday or something. There you go. Yeah, and if you're in the media area, just come say hi or you know, if I see you, we. Actually will be so try and keep an eye out for you. We do know we have a couple of on side interviews in the afternoon after we play. So yeah, maybe we maybe we'll run into each other. All right, sounds good. Let's make it a point and anything you need, all. Right, Thanks for having me, man, you got it. Louder Than Life, North America's loudest rock and metal festival, returns to Louisville this September with My Chemical Romance, Iron Maiden, Tual, Limp Biscuit plus Panzera, Pierce the Veil, to Tira, Popa Roach, and more. Nearly two hundred bands across seven stages. Louder than Life at the Kentucky expos Center of September seventeenth through twentieth. Passes are on sale now starting at only one dollar down at Louder than Live festival dot com.

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24:03 This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm very excited because the Pipe Man Radio Tour is starting again today. We've been off for about a month. I got a little seclusion and from the world for a month and now we're ready to rock and roll again. And our second stop, like tonight, we're going I'm going to Alice Cooper on the other side of the state. But then tomorrow is Welcome to Rockville, one of my favorite Danny Wimmer festivals. And this will be the first interview of the forda festival for a band that is playing tomorrow and man they are killers. So let's welcome to the show.

24:52 Omar from Taking By Times. How are you? What's up doing great? You know we're out here driving currently on the way to Florida. Just it's about an eighteen hour drive twenty with stops, you know, speed limit like with an RB you can't drive seventy five. We gotta do a like sixty five. So you know, we're we've been driving. It'll be a total like two days like driving and taking our time. You know, we're not trying to you know, drive sleep deprived, you know, trying to take our time. Yeah, no doubt. And listen. Unlucky for you that the two states you gotta go in are like the two hardest states to drive through. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's like once you get outside of Texas, those little states, you're like, oh, that's easy. That's why I like about that road trip. Once you get out of like Texas, then it's like, oh, it's only a few hours to get out of state. That's cool, you know. And yeah, yeah, and Texas is brutal to drive through too because there's so many different geographics. Florida is a little different. It looks exactly the same. It's flat the whole thing. But I remember the stupidest thing I ever did was I was driving to get to La through Texas and I I should have stopped at El Paso. It was getting dark and I was over driving through Texas, so I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna keep going. And I drove from that in the dark, from El Paso to San Antonio.

26:22 That is like one of the most brutal drives. I couldn't even imagine doing an RV, by the way, because I was doing it in a car, and like those crosswinds were brutal. Like I remember my car like moved over like a lane and I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna go off the cliff because the wind was so strong. I couldn't even imagine driving RV under those conditions. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta drive, I believe it. It's slower, Like when we're trying back to Chicago there was like a high wind morning. It's just gotta be like careful. You don't really try to pass anyone, and you try to keep on space. Yeah, it is, it is. It can be scary. I think our scariest drive lately was we said a tour in March and we were driving, I believe, from Phoenix to San Diego and there's a lot of oh yeah, up and down and on an RV, you know, they're going up your transmission. It's just you know, it's pushing and super loud and you're going like barely fifty you know, but yeah, it was kind of wild.

27:27 You'd see like down the side of the window and it's like steep steep cliff right. And I love talking about this because I think the listeners don't really get all you have to go through as a band just to get to a gig like this drive we're talking about. Your taket is for one gig so far, you know, it doesn't count the rest of your tour. That's just one stop on the tour, like and I don't think people even imagine, like, and then you go perform and some times you may not have had rest, like you got there just in time, whatever the reason, traffic, weather, and then you're loading in and playing and I think people in the audience like they can't even gef of that, you.

28:16 Know, yeah, they don't see it. Sometimes you're on stage and you might have just barely had a chance to like take a breath. You know. Right, maybe you've got to the venulate and you're loading in all day and you're pushing cases and you're barely have time to get ready. You're probably sweaty, you know, you're not warmed up. I've had those shows sometimes who are like I have to walk on stage without warming up. I feel not ready, but it's like it's rocking road. You got to get up there and do it, you know, But then you get in the zone once you're on stage and it's time to perform, Like you get in the zone and then it's almost like I know the way I am. I don't even give my self permission to feel like shit until.

28:59 Absolutely not until after. You know, then I can die, okay, But you get it it so like you don't even notice, and you're like it's almost like an add of body experience, right, yeah. Yeah, I mean absolutely, when you're on stage, like everything just goes blank, like I don't know, It's like you go into this second I don't know a state of mine or something, and I just I hardly remember what goes on on stage. I feel like something else takes over and I just black out most of the time, you know. I try to come back and realize what's going on, but usually you black out, and like those thirty forty minutes feel like five ten.

29:41 Sometimes it feel longer. If the show's like, you know, dragging those shows, you're like, God, let it end already, Like if you're not having a good show, like if my voice is gone, like oh god, I'm out here sucking, you know, but you know I don't. I'll never show it, you know, I'm never exist stage. I'll just I'll just try my best delivery. You know. It's just even like like people think that musicians are like the biggest extroverts because they get up on stage and do that. It's like the exact opposite, and you kind of do black out in the sense of, you know, it's easier to like pretend like you're just up there by yourself.

30:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's easier to get lost, especially when you have like the music going on. It's it's easier to feel at home. Yeah, exactly. So tell me, Okay, you're gonna be at Welcome to Rockville, obviously, but tell me about the Back to Hell tour. I love the name of that tour. I think we're living that in real life right now. I think everybody in the world is on the Back to Hell tour. Yeah, then we all are, especially with the weather and well it hasn't been too bad lay but it's about to get hot again. Yeah, back to Hell tor. I mean, it's just named after one of our songs that came out on our last album back in October, what's it called.

31:08 We had a two legs of it. We had originally just the you know, the run on February and March, and then we got the offer to do Welcome to Rockville, and it was very close to that tour, but just far enough where it's like it's got to be a different lineup anyways. But we were like, okay, well, let's just make it the leg two of uh, you know, the Back to Hell tour. I like the art, I like the you know behind the song, you know, I like the song a lot, So we just saturday make it the leg two and yeah, it's been great shows. It's actually been our biggest shows we've ever played. All the shows have. Been very successful, and you know, every.

31:51 All the bands have been taking care of all the locals that are playing the shows were stoked on you know, the draws. All the venues have been stoked in the draws, you know, a lot of it. It was a surprise, you know. We played some these venues before, and some of these shows for the longest time, we've played to like less than twenty people, and it's like, I don't know if fans know that, but it's like if a venue gets twenty people, it's like you probably might not even break even. You're probably losing money on that show. No, especially for small upcoming venues, it's like they want to support up and becoming artists, and it's like, you know, for them to give us a shot, some of them multiple times to where it finally clicks, it's like we're grateful they give us a shot, but yeah, this time finally around. Like all the shows have been great and really no complaints. Has probably been the best tour I've ever done. And then to do it look too of it.

32:36 You know, I just felt right there you go. And you know, it's funny with your debut album, Ghost Vibrations, I think it would be perfect if you were playing Incarceration another Danny Wimmer festival because I don't know if you know where what the venue is, but it's the Shawshank Prison, but it's a real prison that's shut down and it is haunted it and they do, like at the festival, they do the haunted tours, but you don't know when you're going on this tour whether it's one of the people working being a character trying to scare you, or if it is a real like, oh my god, I remember I was interviewing somebody there, okay, and he was talking about the uh he filmed the video and there was a torture room in that prison and he came out with scratches all over his body.

33:36 Shot. Oh my god. So like, what perfect place that would be a perfect place to film the video for one of your songs on Ghost Vibrations. Yeah, right, absolute. So tell take me back a little bit. What was that first moment in your life that you kind of realized that this is what you wanted to do, that this was your passion. And I've had multiple ones of those, for sure, Like I could probably name a couple of handful of them, but I think the first one, Man, that's hard. I think you know, when I was a kid, I just really liked playing guitar hero and I was probably like, you know, six years old, and then by the time I was ten, I picked up a guitar. And I think just watching like my chem of a romance and like Lincoln Park, you know, which Mike Kem's actually playing rock Feld.

34:26 You know, I wish I could be there Sunday, but you know, we gotta go play other shows. I'll be I'll be in the pit for you right on. Thank you, so just to be end of the same umbrellas and it's as you know, it's a really big honor. But anyways, Yeah, there's been mostile moments in life where I think I really wanted this. It's probably the first one was like picking up guitar, like a ten eleven years old. My grandpa was a musician. He was also a singer guitarist, and uh, what's it called. I think summer in my childhood just kind of click, you know. I picked it up pretty fast. I was in band and when I was in middle school, I only lost it one semester, but I ended up being like first chair playing French Word and I just didn't I wasn't into it. I got a guitar that Christmas I got out and then they were like, can you please join the band back? Like you're really good, I promise you're really talented, Like you're great at this, you should be in band, and like no, I'm gonna play guitar, and like I just I just kind of knew at like eleven years old that this is what I wanted. So like, even like the band directors, no, you should play French really talented, I'm like, I get it, but I want to play guitar.

35:34 So and then you know what I love about that story is Okay, So I'm a metal head all my life and I like people. A lot of people at my age troop I would talk to and they're like, well, I used to like metal And my answer to them is no, you didn't, cause nobody that is truly a metal head says I used to. Like now, it's not like other genres like once a metal head, always a metal head, no matter when it started. And that's the same example with you. And I also love about Guitar Hero because I'm a gamer, and you know, when I was trying to play guitar, there was no Guitar Hero because video games weren't that good then, And I think that would have helped me be better at guitar, like and make it more fun because you know, I was learning guitar, I had to do scales every single lesson and I'm like, this is boring, you know, So if I was playing like a video game, then it would have excited me more. So I think that's a that's a cool thing. Like some people may give crap about oh Guitar Hero, but I think it does teach you really before you even pick up the guitar, and you're a proof of that.

36:51 Yeah. Absolutely. I mean my right hand got really solid because you know, I just learned rhythm and like I just took that, you know, the left hand, yeah, you know, you're just here, but like your fingers get fast and you get the kind of conditioned too, But like your right hand is really where it helps because you know, you just stay in rhythm. And so yeah, it's crazy how playing lots of Guitar Hero as a kid really just easily translated to the guitar. Yeah, exactly. Now I have a question because it's hard for me to tell on the screen, but is that necklace your logo? Yes, it is I. Thought it was, but I couldn't see the details that far, but I was pretty sure it was. As that is freaking cool. Now do you sell that as birch?

37:32 No, we don't, but we we should figure it out. We have key chains, that's like, I saw the key chains. They're cool as hell. Yeah, thank you, but I gotta figure this out. I just don't know what kind of you know, necklace that one, you know, but I we definitely gotta get it sorted. I think the next you know, big headliners where we do, we definitely have these out on the road. There you go, that would be cool. You could even just do the charm and then if you find the cool neck because it is like it's a cool logo, but it does make a cool necklace. Like I'm looking at you wearing a necklace, and I'm like, I would wear that, you know, it'd be kind of like a Misfits thing. I wouldn't even care what your band sounded like.

38:17 I just want to wear the logo. Thank you man. Yeah, yeah, I'm really proud of it. I think it's great. It's like a hero symbol or something, you know. Yeah, totally totally. Yeah, it makes you look like a superhero. Right, yeah, all right, So what one story crazy, good or bad? In all the years you've been doing music and doing shows and stuff, what sticks out in your mind the most that you would talk about like years down the road, like any story, Yeah, like anything that's happened in the musical journey of the band.

39:03 You know, there's there's been multiple Uh. There was like this one time where we flew out our producer to San Antonio because we weren't done with our with the songs you're trying. So we were in Lousll, Kentucky, and then we flew him to San Antonio for like two days because he had a gig in Austin, Texas. He was like working sound some gig and he's not far so we picked him up from Austin about an hour drive. Uh, stay with us a couple of days. We just moved his flight from San Antonio to you know, maybe it was just worked. Anyways, we finished, we wrapped up tracking everything, and. At night we were about to head out because Jack.

40:00 Mhm, yeah, yeah, yeah, you are breaking up. All right, Okay, yeah mhmm, you guys. Check still breaking up a little bit. I can hear partially and my engineer will edit this part out, so don't worry. Sorry, Okay, go.

40:56 See right on. So yeah, this one time we were tracking some songs for a couple of singles back in like I think twenty and uh we were over in Louisville, Kentucky and flower producer out to set because we already had our flights going back home, but he had a gig in Austin, so it kind of worked out in our favor. So anyways, we. Picked him up from Austin once he finished this gig. He came for a couple of days and we finished tracking the songs that we needed to finish. And uh so my bassis, Jack and I were actually are from the Little Rato, Texas, which about two hours and a half south of San Antonio. We finished the Antonio like an eleven pm.

41:56 He saw me there. Your coache. Hello, Yeah, I can hear you now you were kind yeah heard heard. So yeah, anyways, we finished the studio session like around eleven pm where we're at Jaden's house and like I said, Jack and I we have to drive two hours and a half. Right up outside we're sitting, we're si and then we car drive by like the house. They're driving kind of slow. It's like four dudes in the car, and it just kind of feels weird. And and literally they turn around, circle back, and like instantly they start speeting, and like twelve shots get fired and we obviously fight or flight mound. We just we just run back into the house instantly or like and our producers still inside of the house and he's like, what's the guys you're back inside.

43:01 I was like, did you not hear that? And he's like, no, what happened? Like, dude, there's like gunshots that could get get down, Like what the heck, you know, And and he just ended up staying inside the house and we ended up going home that night. So that was like one of the scarier stories. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought up because bands go through scary crap like that and you don't even realize that what can happen no matter what on the road or what have you. And you know, like, uh, I know, there's been band members that have been mugged, attacked or carjacked all that, and these are the things that you guys go through to give us some great music.

43:48 What's insane? Speaking of carjacking, we have a music video for Go Sebrations. I'm like driving a car in the video. So that car we actually ended up borrowing. We were supposed to use Jaden's at the time because he had like a he had like a Dodge, like a Challenger or a Chargers and that he was like a skatpack Dodge, really nice car. Literally, I think the day before the videos shoot where we were gonna take the car out, it got stolen. Off this front like driveway. Wow. They just took it. Like his Mom's like, hey, Jadeen, I thought you left the store or something, and he's like, no, I'm right here by. What's up. He's like I heard your cards or nothing.

44:29 I thought you left. He's like no, and they go outside and they just see a windshield on the floor. There's no crap. This is like the day before we were supposed to film the music videos. You're like, well, we have no car for the video. Wow. Yeah, So speaking of carjacking, that's also happened. It is amazing, Like I love hearing stuff like this because I like when the audience finds out what it's really like behind the scenes, because they look at musicians and they think, oh, you got the dream li and in some ways you do, you know, but there's it's like every person. Every person has their trials and tribulations, and musicians are no different. And to me, musicians are the hardest working people there is. So if they want to listen to my show, they need to go to your merch store and buy some merch.

45:22 Oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. So tell everybody how they can check you guys out on socials on the web and check out all your merch. Yeah, absolutely, I mean you can find us mostly on socials, on Instagram and TikTok that's usually most active, and streaming stream. Us anywhere they stream. You know, our security puts us on most platforms as possible, but obviously you know the big big ones. You can find us in Spotify, Apple Music, and yeah, just to keep up with us, we always got stuff. And then our merch store you can go to takemtidespan dot com. That's where we have any exclusive drops or any leftover tour merch that we didn't sell on tour, So in case you missed something or miss the show, you can always.

46:04 Grab it there too. Nice and you know it's funny you mentioned Apple Music, and I normally like, before I do interviews, I'll just while I'm like getting ready, I'll just go to Apple Music and turn on the band's music to kind of get in the zone. And Apple Music has a new update now. I don't even know if you know. I just saw it for the first time today and it told me all your tour dates, including welcome to Rockville. Dude, that's awesome. I've not updated my phone in like a year, so because I don't trust it. I don't blame It's cool, man. Yeah, I was like, that's really cool for bands because like you go on there and you go to your page and looks similar to normal, but then there's a place at the top to click on for the tour dates.

46:53 So that's so cool. I got to give kudos to Apple for doing that for you guys. Yeah, you know, Apple's really great. They they pay better than most other streaming platforms, and the quality on there is like some of the best, you know. So I'm so glad to hear that they pay you guys better. Because I don't use Spotify, like I'll use it for certain things like when I do the festivals, I create playlist of all the interviews on Spotify, but not for the music for the podcast. But I hate that they don't pay you guys. So the fact that Apple pays you better, kudos to them, because even in my industry now with streaming and everything else, there's so many of my competitors that like, don't get licensed, don't pay royalties, And I'll say shit to them, because I'm licensed.

47:42 I pay a lot of money to be licensed. Pay royalties because you guys deserve to get paid. And I'll ask them like about them, like you know, and they'll say, well, they should just want me to play their music, Like, no, do you work for free? You know? Of course, yeah, you do want them to play your music. But you know you're doing this for a living, so you need to be able to eat. I'm not talking about buying a ferrari. We're talking about this. You're you're not making a lot of money in this business. You're exactly unless you're the top one percent, then you know you're probably making a good living. But even like the bands that are massive selling a thousand tickets to night, they're still just living.

48:24 You know, you're probably better having off on normal nine to five. In terms of money no doubt, no doubt so. And that's why musicians have passion for what they do because you're not doing it for the money. You're certainly not doing to become a rock star, because that doesn't even exist anymore. You know, you're doing it because you have a passion for music, and music is the best surfy. So I do thank you for making that, you know, and making music and making that sacrifice so that we could all get the therapy. You know, you get it and we get it, and to me, the music's the best therapy. And I can't wait to go see my therapist.

49:10 That Welcome to Rockville. Oh yeah, thank you. Thank you for being on the Adventures of pipe Man, and we'll see you soon in Daytona. Absolutely, we'll see you there. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pipe Man on w for CUI Radio.