May 14, 2026

Anberlin & Taken By Tides at Welcome to Rockville 2026 - PipemanRadio Interviews

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Season 20

Pipeman Radio has an interview with the band Anberlin and Taken by Tides about them performing at Danny Wimmer Presents Welcome to Rockville 2026 at the Daytona International Speedway and what else is happening for the rest of 2026.

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Hi, you have done to censure? Wow for you.

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Young where runn?

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Can you feel so good? This is the pipe Man

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here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio.

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And this is my last interview before I get on

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the road. And I have to drive three hours over

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to the west coast of Florida for an Alice Cooper show,

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and then drive three hours back and then tomorrow morning

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three and a half hours up to Daytona four one

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of my favorite festivals of the whole year. Welcome to Rockville,

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and I have with us our guest who it's close.

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My real name is Dean, and he's Dion. Sometimes people

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call me that too, because I don't know it's an a.

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It shouldn't be Deon.

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Yeah, you and me both I you know, at Starbucks

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or whatever all the time. You know, it's I get,

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I get, I get. I go from Dion to Dean

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for a whole lot of times, so I must. And

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I'm glad to hear it's a two way street and

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it doesn't just happen to me.

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Yeah, see, like maybe we're doppel Gigger's or something.

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Yeah, there go look alike.

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But yeah, your band's bad ass. Amberlin and you're gonna

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be Welcome to Rockville, which is even more badass. Have

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you played Welcome to Rockville before? I know you've played

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the other Danny Wimmer festivals, but have you played this one.

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We have not, which is funny just because you know,

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we are a Florida band. We're just directly west across

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the coast, you know, on the Gulf and in the

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Tampa Bay area, so it's it's funny that we have

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not played Rockville yet. So we're pretty excited to, you know,

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make our debut this year.

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I think the most exciting thing is is I don't

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even know if you notice yet, but you're gonna be

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able to drive on the speedway to get to uh

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wherever you got to go.

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Well, that'll be fun. I've actually done that before. I

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grew up, going to Turkey Rod run over in daytime.

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Next.

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My family was big into the hot rods, so I

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was I've been able to get out there on the

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speedway and they because they do this photo op at

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the speedway where you can take your picture on like

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not on one of the banks obviously because like a

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forty five degree angle, but you know, like one of

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going into one of the turns. It says Daytona, USA

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on the on the wall, so they let you park

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your car in front of that and take a picture

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and everything. So it's pretty fun experience. I mean, it's

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a it's an impressive, uh track. I mean, and the

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history behind it and everything, you know, obviously is really cool.

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So you know, growing up, growing up, just you know,

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with all this stuff car related and watching NASCAR and

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things like that, it's it's always cool to make the

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trip over there. So it's even double cool that we

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get to play there this year.

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Well, you know, it's funny too because I do all

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the Danny Wimmer festivals. I do festivals all over the US,

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UK and Europe, and I got excited this year because

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I'm actually going to be interviewing the NASCAR driver, Like

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so that's new. That's different. You know. It's like it's

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like my youngest story. She'll ask me a lot before festivals,

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like are you excited, And I'm like, well, I don't

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know if excited it's the word. I love doing it,

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but when you do it every weekend, I don't know

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if exciting is the appropriate word. But then there's moments

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like that that, yeah.

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I mean that'll be different, you know for sure if

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you're used to I'm sure you know, if you're used

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to interviewing musicians and then going from that to uh,

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you know, the world of racing, which we we got it.

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We got to uh hang out with a few guys

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that were affiliated with NASCAR last year on tour when

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we were up and Charlotte, since right down the road

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is like the home of NASCAR, you know, and so

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one of our crew guys has a he's got a

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friend that he's the guy that basically he paints all

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the driver's helmets. So he took us out to this

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like competitive go kart track and we were racing with

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a few of the uh next tail or not next

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tell what is it? Next tells they've been the funk

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for years. Anyways, we're you know, we were racing with

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a few of the uh you know, kind of like

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drivers from like the couple of steps you know below

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uh you.

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Know, uh the main drivers but next uh stuffing like that.

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don't know the.

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I can't remember.

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Yeah, I'm not I obviously don't keep up with it anymore.

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drive with a few of the drivers, which was really

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fun with this go kart track, and then and then

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Dale Junior came out to say hi, which was crazy.

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I mean, you know, I grew up watching Dale Earnhardt

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senior race and was watching the race win he you know,

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had his unfortunate accident, and of course you know watching

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Dale Junior drive as well was you know, a part

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of growing up. So it was really cool to meet

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him and you know, got to take a picture with

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him and stuff.

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So it was really cool.

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But it's really just interesting getting a little insight into

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that world there because I mean it's all it's not

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like you know, the NFL or whatever where you know,

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all the teams are spread across the US, you know,

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right NASCAR, you you basically are in that area. So

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it's like when they say it's the home of NASCAR,

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that's because that's where like every team is just you know,

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most of the drivers live there. So just a weird

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world to get some insight into. So that was really fun.

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I'm always interested because you know, having dialogue with people

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that you know, they asked a lot of questions about

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you know, what it's like being in a touring band

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and things like that, and then I get I get

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just as excited, like ask him about like, well, what's it.

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What's it like with like, you know, working on the

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you know, the NASCAR circuit. You know, it's you know,

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because you got all these different levels. You know, people

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start on like competitive go carts, and they'll go up

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to like the sprint cars and like you know, then

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they're driving the trucks and then it's just it's just

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such an interesting world to me. So it's it's cool

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to Yeah, it's cool to meet people in different fields

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like that that are doing really you know, interesting things.

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You know. What I think is really cool too, is okay.

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So hearing you say all those things, what came to

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mind immediately is like, wow, that's pretty cool. A musician

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fanboying out on NASCAR driver like it. It just makes

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you like a normal person. Like people look at musicians

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like like they're not normal people sometimes like we're only

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going to be into music, right, you know, and like

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you don't get like oh my god to somebody or whatever,

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you know, and it just shows you're just like they are.

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Yeah, I mean I think you know, it's uh everybody's

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got their interest and you know, I and like I said,

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even if I wasn't to Nascar, I would still be

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enamored by the whole thing, right Just I you know,

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I always like hearing like what it's like in different

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industries or whatever, you know, like talk, you know, talking,

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you know, when we've had shot music videos in the

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past and we've had to hire actors, you know what,

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one of our music videos years ago, we had a

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couple of people that, you know, they were younger actors

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that were trying to break in, you know, so they

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were affordable for us. They you know, they weren't celebrities yet.

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But it was just really interesting talking to them about,

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you know, the world of acting as they're they're you know,

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filming a music video for us. So it's yeah, like

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I said, it's just cool meeting people in other fields

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and like hearing what it takes to you know, be

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competitive and make it in those in those other fields,

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you know, because I mean I've been playing in bands

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since I was fourteen years old, and you know, it's

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just that's like just what I know, and so it's

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it's super normal to me, but it may not seem

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normal to somebody else and vice versa. But what's the

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normal to them is like really intriguing to me, you know. Yeah,

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So it's you know, and I'm just I'm a talker.

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I like just talking to people and getting to know

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them and everything. So it's it's always fun when it's

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something you're actually interested in, you know, and you get

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to hear some like you know, inside scoop on things

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and whatever.

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Yeah, and it's like at that daytime speedway, it is

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a trip because first year we were over there from Jacksonville,

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I was looking at the wall and I'm like, it

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does not look like that on TV. That wall looked scary,

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okay in a person. In person, it's like, holy shit,

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I couldn't even stand on that wall much. Let's drive it.

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And then I joked around with Christine, who runs media

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at Rockville, and I, you know, because I live in

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South Florida and West bum Beach area. So I drove

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my jeep up and I had my skateboard in the

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jeep and I'm like hey, and I was just kidding,

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but I was like, hey, do you think I'd lose

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my media credential if I took my skateboard on the wall,

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and it's like I was saying something my son like, yeah,

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I wouldn't have done it till after the festival's over

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because I can't break all my bones before doing interviews. Yeah.

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We actually instituted a no skateboarding rule on one tour

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because you know, if you the guys brought their skateboards

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and like one of our crew guys almost dislocated his elbow,

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you know, our guitarist Christian almost like twisted an ankle,

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and I, your tour manager, was like.

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That's it. No more skateboards the rest of the tour.

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That's great. See I love stories like that. And speaking

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of stories, okay, so let's go back to when you

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were fourteen, because it's also interesting to me because my

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grandson who's going to becoming a Rockville he just turned fifteen.

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He is a musician and he's following my footsteps. Like

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it's so funny. One day was a kid, next day

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it's like, what do you want for your birthday? Oh,

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I want a guitar. Okay, let's go and I want

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the guitar. And then next time I see him, he's

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got a battle vest on. I'm like, holy crap, he's

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not my kid's kid. He's my kid, you know. And

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but I asked him recently, I'm like, because he was

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trying to start a band and I'm like, so, how's

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it going with that? And he's like, I've been really

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found to write people, like he's struggling to find the

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people to have a band with. So tell us about

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your story going way back when how that happened.

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It's I was.

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Fortunate my brother, my older brother, he when we were young,

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we started my dad had a drum set.

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My dad was a drummer.

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And for an end of year minor league baseball party

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one year, a couple of the dads got together and

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there's one that played guitar and sang one that played bass,

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and they knew my dad played drums. And my dad

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was like, oh, I'll just go pick up a secondhand

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drum kit, you know, and for the party, you know,

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like at a pawnshop or something. He actually he ended

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up which I don't know, I don't know what he

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paid for it. You know, it was only like twelve

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but uh, he he ended up getting this gold Slingerland jazz.

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Kit that was, you know, just beautiful. It was.

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It's like it wasn't he didn't just buy some cheap

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drum set. He founded, you know, a drum set for

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like a decent price. I'm you know, I'm sure my

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mom wasn't happy about it, but uh but you know

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he so we from that point on after he after

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they did the end of the year party, we had

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a drum set in the house.

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So my brother and I would fight over who could

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play it.

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And and eventually I got sick of him and pushing

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me off because I was the young I was the

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little brother. So I decided I wanted to try and

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play guitar or something. Well, a kid down the street

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already played guitar, so we decided we were going to

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start a band. I needed to play bass, so I, uh,

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you know, I had some money saved up from mowing

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lawns and stuff.

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And I went and bought for like one hundred and

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twenty bucks, bought out this cheap cruise bass and create

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one ten little practice lamp, and you know, started taking

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lessons and things like that, and and then you know,

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the kid turned out, the kid down the street that

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was a guitarist, he lost interest in music really quick.

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He wanted to play at golf and baseball, you know.

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So around that time, we're you know, we're in high

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school and uh, you know, about about fourteen years old,

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and my brother meets this guy, uh named DJ at

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a summer school, you know, and they start, you know,

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they find out that they have the same interest in

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music and they like a lot of the same bands.

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So uh, you know, turn it turns out DJ's guitarists

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and sing a little bit. So we just got together,

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my and my in one of our bedrooms one day

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and you know, started trying to write some songs and

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that became my first band. Played my first show when

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I was like fourteen or fifteen, shortly after that, and

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it seemed like a massive show to me at the time.

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It we I mean we I think we advertised for

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like months for it, you know, around around our schools

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and everything, and but there was maybe fifty people there.

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I'm sure, but you know, it's for kids.

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First show.

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It just seemed it seemed that like the place was slammed,

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you know, and it was really cool, and I was

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just hooked after that. I just wanted to keep these shows,

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That's all I wanted, you know, So, uh, you know,

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just fast forward a few years later, you kind of

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cycle went out with different musicians, you know that you

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find here and there, and you know, some guys can

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stick with it, some guys.

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Can't, you know.

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And I.

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Finally ended up playing with Joey, who's our guitarist and

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Amber Wind. He and I met at a comic shop

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one day one of our ur We had a mutual

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friend that ended up ditching us to go do drugs.

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So Joey j always like, hey, man, I went nearby.

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You want to run to my house real quick?

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I'm like sure. We walk into his Uh.

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We walk into his bedroom and he's not only got

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you know, he's got like all was punk rock and

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metal vinyl, you know, by sitting by his record player

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and he's got an epiphone, West Paul sitting by his band.

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I'm like, you play guitar? He's like yeah.

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He was like, do you know when you know effect songs?

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You know, like the first band of the Product of Mind.

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He like, he immediately started playing. I think it was

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like sticking in my eye or something like that, you know,

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and just just crazy. You know, well, not a lot

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of kids when you know, at fifteen, sixteen years old,

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not a lot of kids could you know, pull off

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no effects songs are let alone play the lead, you know,

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playing lf Haf's leads. So so it was really cool.

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We bonded really quickly.

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And at that time, I was already kind of I

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was playing in a couple of bands, just with different people,

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and I was just starting to play in a band

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with a friend of mine named.

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Stephen, who later on became the singer of Amberwin.

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You know.

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So it's just kind of a it took years, I think,

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you know, a couple of years to find the right people,

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and you know, I was just fortunate that in my small.

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Town and Winter him and there were like minded.

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Musicians who were into the same type of music, and

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you know, and we were able to start a band

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in high school.

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And then you know, through playing.

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Over the years and like Lake Wind and Tampa and

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Saint Pete, we met who are now drummer Nate, you know,

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by playing with his band that he was in at

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the time with his brother. So yeah, it's just a

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weird journey, I would I was talking to some good

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friends of mine that live in Kansas City and they

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had they have they have a fifteen year old son

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named River who he's been playing drums for a few

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years now, and he's at the point where he really

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wants to start a band. You know, he wants to

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be the next Taylor Hawkins. He's he idolizes Taylor Hawkins

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and the food Fighters, you know, and he uh, he's

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he's having the same issue. You know, he's just not

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finding those that the right group of kids that share

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his you know, his interest in the same type of music,

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or they even want to you know that play instruments

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or want to be in a band. So, you know,

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I was just trying to I was just trying to

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encourage you, my stun to talk to him about it.

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You know.

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It's like you say, just give a time, keep practicing.

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You're gonna find the right guys. You know.

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It's my viewpoint is is like I'm gonna have my

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grandson listen to this, because all of that led to

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us having this talk about Welcome to Rockville.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, let's you are. Every band goes through it.

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You go through people you want to play with, you

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don't want to play with, people, leave people do things,

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you know, but I do have a based on what

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happened with you. I have a trivia question for you,

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all right, who is one of the greatest bassist ever

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that never wanted to be a bassist, was a guitar

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player and basically drew the short straw and had to

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play bass.

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Uh me, I'm just kidding. That's funny because that is

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how I started playing bass. But I wouln't consider myself

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the best bass player.

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That's why I asked the question. Because of that.

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Ah geez, I don't think I know that one.

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I mean, I can think I could think of a

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lot of people I would consider to be, you know,

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great bass players, like you know, obviously Geddy Wee from

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Rush is one of the greatest of all time. But

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I think he was always a bass player.

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Yeah, uh, I don't know. You got me, stump. Who

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is it?

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Paul McCartney.

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Oh, that makes sense because all three.

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Of them played guitar. And now if you listen to

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the Beatles songs, you hear his bass because I always

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loved the Beatles, but I never really heard till I

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knew that the influence because he plays it like a guitar.

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Yeah he he you know, yeah, it's the way he

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structures his way, he structures his bass lines.

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Or yeah.

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I mean it makes sense really think about it. So

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that's that's interesting. I mean, I guess that should have

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been kind of obvious, you know, it's since he you know,

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obviously he's well versed in guitar.

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Right, But yeah, that's cool.

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You know, it is funny, I think because I am

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a bit of a I feel like an anomaly in

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the sense that I literally only know how to play bass.

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I know a little bit of guitar I've picked up

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over the years, you know, playing like some mi bar

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chords and open chords and things like that, you know,

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but I started on the bass. I took lessons for

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the bass, I you know, because there's so many bands

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that the bass player is a guitarist. They just there's

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just nobody in town that played bass. So somebody went, okay,

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I'll play.

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Bass, you know, exactly exactly.

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So yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting.

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You know.

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I think a lot of times when I do meet

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people that are purely bass players and that's the instrument

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that they started. Like Nick from Bayside is a guy

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like that. He and I share a lot in common

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in that respect. We're both just bass players.

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That's what we are. It's what we do.

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There it is and then you're needed. People don't realize

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how much of a difference having bass in a song means,

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you know.

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Yeah, I mean I think I have a friend who's

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a ripping guitar player. He's a really good blues player

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named Chris Walker. And it's funny. He got asked to

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fill in on a bass for some band that was

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kind of doing like a little like there was like

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this blues band and they were doing like a reunion,

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but their bass player wasn't around anymore.

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So they asked Chris.

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If he could fill in on bass, and he's like, I

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guess so, And he calls me up and ask if

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he could borrow.

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A bass, and so I lent him.

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I lent him a Mustang bass to play, and after

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the gig he was like, man that He's like, I

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almost wanted to start playing bass from here on now.

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He's like that was so much fun.

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Wow, that's cool.

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Yeah.

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I was like, I was like, I know, I was

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like I enjoy it, you know, And that may not

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be the most glamorous of instruments, but uh, it's you know,

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it's it's like you said, it's very much needed and

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you know, you can have a lot of fun playing bass.

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You really can't. And then and I have for many years.

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There you go, Now, what else do you guys got

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going on after Rockville that people need to look out for?

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Tell people I also connecting with you socials on the

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web and all that.

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Oh man, we're about to get busy. We Uh So

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we played Rockville on the seventh, and then we come

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home for just a few days and on the thirteenth

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we head out to start four and a half week

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headline tour. Where we are we're kind of doing a

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celebration tour of our second album, Never Take Friendship Personal.

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We did the first leg last year.

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We're doing a second leg this year of a lot

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of the cities, you know, the areas that we didn't

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get to hit last year. So yeah, we're gonna be

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We get a couple of days to rest between the two,

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you know, the two things. But we we hit the

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road literally on the thirteenth, drive up, starting the tour

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in dustin, Florida, and then we just take it from there.

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So we're really excited to get back out on tour

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and uh, you know, rock out some fans and hang

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out and say hi.

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To everybody.

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Nice. Well, I'll have to tell my daughter, who's going

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to be at Rockville to go to your set because

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she lives near Dustin. Oh nice, and maybe she'll show

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up to your show because I don't even know if

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she she knows you your band yet. You know, I'm

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sure she probably does, but maybe who knows? Uh, So

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I'm gonna tell her. Yet, you gotta go to You

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gotta go to the set and check it out, so

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maybe you want to go near you. And you know,

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it's funny you mentioned about no effects because when I

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took my grandson to play and buy that guitar, I

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didn't know he knew how to play array and he

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wrote guitar senter and pulled the guitar down and started

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playing Green Day. I'm like, holy shit, how do you

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know how to do that? You know? So there it is.

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You know, I love it, and I love that You're

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gonna be at Rockville. It's going to be badass, And

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thank you for being on the Adventures of Payment.

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Absolutely, thank you for having me, and maybe we'll run

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each other on run into each other on Thursday or something.

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There you go. Yeah, and if you're in the media area,

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just come say hi or you know, if I see you, we.

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Actually will be so try and keep an eye out

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for you. We do know we have a couple of

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on side interviews in the afternoon after we play. So yeah,

463
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maybe we maybe we'll run into each other.

464
00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.000
All right, sounds good. Let's make it a point and

465
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anything you need, all.

466
00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:03.119
Right, Thanks for having me, man, you got it.

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Hi, you haven't too cruz wow.

491
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For you your room.

492
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

493
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Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm very excited

494
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:14.359
because the Pipe Man Radio Tour is starting again today.

495
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.920
We've been off for about a month. I got a

496
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:21.880
little seclusion and from the world for a month and

497
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.519
now we're ready to rock and roll again. And our

498
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.799
second stop, like tonight, we're going I'm going to Alice

499
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.680
Cooper on the other side of the state. But then

500
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.519
tomorrow is Welcome to Rockville, one of my favorite Danny

501
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:40.200
Wimmer festivals. And this will be the first interview of

502
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:46.880
the forda festival for a band that is playing tomorrow

503
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.839
and man they are killers. So let's welcome to the show.

504
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.400
Omar from Taking By Times. How are you?

505
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.480
What's up doing great? You know we're out here driving

506
00:24:58.599 --> 00:24:59.599
currently on the way to Florida.

507
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:04.319
Just it's about an eighteen hour drive twenty with stops,

508
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.200
you know, speed limit like with an RB you can't

509
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.240
drive seventy five. We gotta do a like sixty five.

510
00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:12.160
So you know, we're we've been driving. It'll be a

511
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:16.200
total like two days like driving and taking our time.

512
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.240
You know, we're not trying to you know, drive sleep deprived,

513
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:20.240
you know, trying to take our time.

514
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:24.559
Yeah, no doubt. And listen. Unlucky for you that the

515
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.680
two states you gotta go in are like the two

516
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:28.440
hardest states to drive through.

517
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:31.160
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

518
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.720
It's like once you get outside of Texas, those little states,

519
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:38.119
you're like, oh, that's easy. That's why I like about

520
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.279
that road trip. Once you get out of like Texas,

521
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:43.920
then it's like, oh, it's only a few hours to

522
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.039
get out of state. That's cool, you know. And yeah, yeah,

523
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.119
and Texas is brutal to drive through too because there's

524
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.759
so many different geographics. Florida is a little different. It

525
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.599
looks exactly the same. It's flat the whole thing. But

526
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.599
I remember the stupidest thing I ever did was I

527
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.920
was driving to get to La through Texas and I

528
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.759
I should have stopped at El Paso. It was getting

529
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:13.480
dark and I was over driving through Texas, so I'm like,

530
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.640
fuck it, I'm gonna keep going. And I drove from

531
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:21.880
that in the dark, from El Paso to San Antonio.

532
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.400
That is like one of the most brutal drives. I

533
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.119
couldn't even imagine doing an RV, by the way, because

534
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.640
I was doing it in a car, and like those

535
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:35.720
crosswinds were brutal. Like I remember my car like moved

536
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.960
over like a lane and I'm like, oh my god,

537
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:44.079
I'm gonna go off the cliff because the wind was

538
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.920
so strong. I couldn't even imagine driving RV under those conditions.

539
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.440
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta drive, I believe it. It's slower,

540
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.559
Like when we're trying back to Chicago there was like

541
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:58.559
a high wind morning. It's just gotta be like careful.

542
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.480
You don't really try to pass anyone, and you try

543
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.839
to keep on space. Yeah, it is, it is. It

544
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.480
can be scary. I think our scariest drive lately was

545
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.240
we said a tour in March and we were driving,

546
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.759
I believe, from Phoenix to San Diego and there's a

547
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:17.200
lot of oh yeah, up and down and on an RV,

548
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.319
you know, they're going up your transmission. It's just you know,

549
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.359
it's pushing and super loud and you're going like barely

550
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.279
fifty you know, but yeah, it was kind of wild.

551
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.240
You'd see like down the side of the window and

552
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.720
it's like steep steep cliff right.

553
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.200
And I love talking about this because I think the

554
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.119
listeners don't really get all you have to go through

555
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.880
as a band just to get to a gig like

556
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:47.920
this drive we're talking about. Your taket is for one

557
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.680
gig so far, you know, it doesn't count the rest

558
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.400
of your tour. That's just one stop on the tour,

559
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.279
like and I don't think people even imagine, like, and

560
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.440
then you go perform and some times you may not

561
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.519
have had rest, like you got there just in time,

562
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.519
whatever the reason, traffic, weather, and then you're loading in

563
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:13.319
and playing and I think people in the audience like

564
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:15.920
they can't even gef of that, you.

565
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.440
Know, yeah, they don't see it.

566
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.720
Sometimes you're on stage and you might have just barely

567
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.119
had a chance to like take a breath.

568
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:25.240
You know.

569
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.519
Right, maybe you've got to the venulate and you're loading

570
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.559
in all day and you're pushing cases and you're barely

571
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.119
have time to get ready. You're probably sweaty, you know,

572
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.119
you're not warmed up. I've had those shows sometimes who

573
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.839
are like I have to walk on stage without warming up.

574
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.000
I feel not ready, but it's like it's rocking road.

575
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:44.440
You got to get up there and do it, you know,

576
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.279
But then you get in the zone once you're on

577
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.480
stage and it's time to perform, Like you get in

578
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.359
the zone and then it's almost like I know the

579
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.599
way I am. I don't even give my self permission

580
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.880
to feel like shit until.

581
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.599
Absolutely not until after.

582
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:05.720
You know, then I can die, okay, But you get

583
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.599
it it so like you don't even notice, and you're

584
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.920
like it's almost like an add of body experience, right, yeah.

585
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.519
Yeah, I mean absolutely, when you're on stage, like everything

586
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.279
just goes blank, like I don't know, It's like you

587
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.960
go into this second I don't know a state of

588
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.480
mine or something, and I just I hardly remember what

589
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.359
goes on on stage. I feel like something else takes

590
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.599
over and I just black out most of the time,

591
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.680
you know. I try to come back and realize what's

592
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.960
going on, but usually you black out, and like those

593
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.640
thirty forty minutes feel like five ten.

594
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:42.359
Sometimes it feel longer.

595
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.799
If the show's like, you know, dragging those shows, you're like, God,

596
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.000
let it end already, Like if you're not having a

597
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.160
good show, like if my voice is gone, like oh god,

598
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:55.119
I'm out here sucking, you know, but you know I don't.

599
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.759
I'll never show it, you know, I'm never exist stage.

600
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.880
I'll just I'll just try my best delivery.

601
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:01.279
You know.

602
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:06.240
It's just even like like people think that musicians are

603
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.319
like the biggest extroverts because they get up on stage

604
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.319
and do that. It's like the exact opposite, and you

605
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.559
kind of do black out in the sense of, you know,

606
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.319
it's easier to like pretend like you're just up there

607
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:21.960
by yourself.

608
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

609
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.640
It's easier to get lost, especially when you have like

610
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.119
the music going on. It's it's easier to feel at home.

611
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:37.400
Yeah, exactly. So tell me, Okay, you're gonna be at

612
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:39.920
Welcome to Rockville, obviously, but tell me about the Back

613
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.119
to Hell tour. I love the name of that tour.

614
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.640
I think we're living that in real life right now.

615
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.759
I think everybody in the world is on the Back

616
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:50.519
to Hell tour.

617
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.440
Yeah, then we all are, especially with the weather and

618
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.400
well it hasn't been too bad lay but it's about

619
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:58.279
to get hot again.

620
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:00.920
Yeah, back to Hell tor.

621
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.920
I mean, it's just named after one of our songs

622
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.119
that came out on our last album back in October,

623
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:08.640
what's it called.

624
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:09.880
We had a two legs of it.

625
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.160
We had originally just the you know, the run on

626
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.599
February and March, and then we got the offer to

627
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.039
do Welcome to Rockville, and it was very close to

628
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.680
that tour, but just far enough where it's like it's

629
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.440
got to be a different lineup anyways.

630
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:28.319
But we were like, okay, well, let's just make it

631
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.880
the leg two of uh, you know, the Back to

632
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:32.319
Hell tour.

633
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.000
I like the art, I like the you know behind

634
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.400
the song, you know, I like the song a lot,

635
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.920
So we just saturday make it the leg two and yeah,

636
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.440
it's been great shows. It's actually been our biggest shows

637
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.119
we've ever played. All the shows have.

638
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:51.640
Been very successful, and you know, every.

639
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:53.079
All the bands have been taking care of all the

640
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.359
locals that are playing the shows were stoked on you know,

641
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:56.000
the draws.

642
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.599
All the venues have been stoked in the draws, you know,

643
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.240
a lot of it. It was a surprise, you know.

644
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.440
We played some these venues before, and some of these

645
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.359
shows for the longest time, we've played to like less

646
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.119
than twenty people, and it's like, I don't know if

647
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.599
fans know that, but it's like if a venue gets

648
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.400
twenty people, it's like you probably might not even break even.

649
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.319
You're probably losing money on that show.

650
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.119
No, especially for small upcoming venues, it's like they want

651
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.839
to support up and becoming artists, and it's like, you know,

652
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.720
for them to give us a shot, some of them

653
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.799
multiple times to where it finally clicks, it's like we're

654
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.599
grateful they give us a shot, but yeah, this time

655
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.559
finally around. Like all the shows have been great and

656
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.559
really no complaints. Has probably been the best tour I've

657
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.599
ever done. And then to do it look too of it.

658
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.440
You know, I just felt right there you go.

659
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:44.160
And you know, it's funny with your debut album, Ghost Vibrations,

660
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.599
I think it would be perfect if you were playing

661
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.799
Incarceration another Danny Wimmer festival because I don't know if

662
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.799
you know where what the venue is, but it's the

663
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.599
Shawshank Prison, but it's a real prison that's shut down

664
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.160
and it is haunted it and they do, like at

665
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.680
the festival, they do the haunted tours, but you don't

666
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.039
know when you're going on this tour whether it's one

667
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.640
of the people working being a character trying to scare you,

668
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.119
or if it is a real like, oh my god,

669
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:23.559
I remember I was interviewing somebody there, okay, and he

670
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.200
was talking about the uh he filmed the video and

671
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.519
there was a torture room in that prison and he

672
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.119
came out with scratches all over his body.

673
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:37.079
Shot.

674
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.759
Oh my god. So like, what perfect place that would

675
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:43.160
be a perfect place to film the video for one

676
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.000
of your songs on Ghost Vibrations.

677
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.400
Yeah, right, absolute.

678
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.759
So tell take me back a little bit. What was

679
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.920
that first moment in your life that you kind of

680
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.559
realized that this is what you wanted to do, that

681
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:00.799
this was your passion.

682
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.640
And I've had multiple ones of those, for sure, Like

683
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:07.960
I could probably name a couple of handful of them,

684
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.599
but I think the first one, Man, that's hard. I

685
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.320
think you know, when I was a kid, I just

686
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.840
really liked playing guitar hero and I was probably like,

687
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.480
you know, six years old, and then by the time

688
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.840
I was ten, I picked up a guitar. And I

689
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.800
think just watching like my chem of a romance and

690
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.599
like Lincoln Park, you know, which Mike Kem's actually playing

691
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:26.039
rock Feld.

692
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.440
You know, I wish I could be there Sunday, but

693
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.159
you know, we gotta go play other shows.

694
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.159
I'll be I'll be in the pit for you right on.

695
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.079
Thank you, so just to be end of the same

696
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.440
umbrellas and it's as you know, it's a really big honor.

697
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:41.039
But anyways, Yeah, there's been mostile moments in life where

698
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.639
I think I really wanted this. It's probably the first

699
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.320
one was like picking up guitar, like a ten eleven

700
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.320
years old. My grandpa was a musician. He was also

701
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:54.440
a singer guitarist, and uh, what's it called. I think

702
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.599
summer in my childhood just kind of click, you know.

703
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.000
I picked it up pretty fast. I was in band

704
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.119
and when I was in middle school, I only lost

705
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.000
it one semester, but I ended up being like first

706
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.880
chair playing French Word and I just didn't I wasn't

707
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:12.519
into it. I got a guitar that Christmas I got

708
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.000
out and then they were like, can you please join

709
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.079
the band back? Like you're really good, I promise you're

710
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.280
really talented, Like you're great at this, you should be

711
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.679
in band, and like no, I'm gonna play guitar, and

712
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.159
like I just I just kind of knew at like

713
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.039
eleven years old that this is what I wanted. So like,

714
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.480
even like the band directors, no, you should play French

715
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:33.599
really talented, I'm like, I get it, but I want

716
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.119
to play guitar.

717
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.119
So and then you know what I love about that

718
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:41.559
story is Okay, So I'm a metal head all my

719
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:45.239
life and I like people. A lot of people at

720
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.639
my age troop I would talk to and they're like, well,

721
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.639
I used to like metal And my answer to them

722
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.519
is no, you didn't, cause nobody that is truly a

723
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:56.280
metal head says I used to. Like now, it's not

724
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.719
like other genres like once a metal head, always a

725
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.440
metal head, no matter when it started. And that's the

726
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.800
same example with you. And I also love about Guitar

727
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.559
Hero because I'm a gamer, and you know, when I

728
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.480
was trying to play guitar, there was no Guitar Hero

729
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.760
because video games weren't that good then, And I think

730
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.880
that would have helped me be better at guitar, like

731
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.119
and make it more fun because you know, I was

732
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.960
learning guitar, I had to do scales every single lesson

733
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.880
and I'm like, this is boring, you know, So if

734
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.360
I was playing like a video game, then it would

735
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.000
have excited me more. So I think that's a that's

736
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.280
a cool thing. Like some people may give crap about

737
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.679
oh Guitar Hero, but I think it does teach you

738
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.400
really before you even pick up the guitar, and you're

739
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:50.840
a proof of that.

740
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:52.559
Yeah. Absolutely.

741
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.079
I mean my right hand got really solid because you know,

742
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.800
I just learned rhythm and like I just took that,

743
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.480
you know, the left hand, yeah, you know, you're just here,

744
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.800
but like your fingers get fast and you get the

745
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.440
kind of conditioned too, But like your right hand is

746
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.159
really where it helps because you know, you just stay

747
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.719
in rhythm. And so yeah, it's crazy how playing lots

748
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.360
of Guitar Hero as a kid really just easily translated

749
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:12.960
to the guitar.

750
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.840
Yeah, exactly. Now I have a question because it's hard

751
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.760
for me to tell on the screen, but is that

752
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.000
necklace your logo?

753
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:23.159
Yes, it is I.

754
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.239
Thought it was, but I couldn't see the details that far,

755
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.719
but I was pretty sure it was. As that is

756
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.559
freaking cool. Now do you sell that as birch?

757
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:35.920
No, we don't, but we we should figure it out.

758
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.800
We have key chains, that's like, I saw the key chains.

759
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:40.840
They're cool as hell.

760
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.360
Yeah, thank you, but I gotta figure this out.

761
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.039
I just don't know what kind of you know, necklace

762
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.639
that one, you know, but I we definitely gotta get

763
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:49.039
it sorted.

764
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.280
I think the next you know, big headliners where we do,

765
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.320
we definitely have these out on the road.

766
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.199
There you go, that would be cool. You could even

767
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:59.320
just do the charm and then if you find the

768
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.480
cool neck because it is like it's a cool logo,

769
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.679
but it does make a cool necklace. Like I'm looking

770
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.840
at you wearing a necklace, and I'm like, I would

771
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.239
wear that, you know, it'd be kind of like a

772
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.639
Misfits thing. I wouldn't even care what your band sounded like.

773
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.079
I just want to wear the logo.

774
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:21.760
Thank you man.

775
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.039
Yeah, yeah, I'm really proud of it. I think it's great.

776
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.239
It's like a hero symbol or something, you know.

777
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:31.280
Yeah, totally totally. Yeah, it makes you look like a superhero. Right, yeah,

778
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:39.920
all right, So what one story crazy, good or bad?

779
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.599
In all the years you've been doing music and doing

780
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.679
shows and stuff, what sticks out in your mind the

781
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.880
most that you would talk about like years down the road,

782
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:01.519
like any story, Yeah, like anything that's happened in the

783
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:03.039
musical journey of the band.

784
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.920
You know, there's there's been multiple Uh.

785
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:11.599
There was like this one time where we flew out

786
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.320
our producer to San Antonio because we weren't done with

787
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.800
our with the songs you're trying. So we were in Lousll, Kentucky,

788
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.559
and then we flew him to San Antonio for like

789
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.320
two days because he had a gig in Austin, Texas.

790
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.400
He was like working sound some gig and he's not

791
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.239
far so we picked him up from Austin about an

792
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.519
hour drive. Uh, stay with us a couple of days.

793
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.280
We just moved his flight from San Antonio to you know,

794
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.320
maybe it was just worked. Anyways, we finished, we wrapped

795
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.559
up tracking everything, and.

796
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:48.320
At night we were about to head out because Jack.

797
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:08.800
Mhm, yeah, yeah, yeah, you are breaking up.

798
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:20.840
All right, Okay, yeah mhmm, you guys.

799
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:26.599
Check still breaking up a little bit. I can hear

800
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:30.719
partially and my engineer will edit this part out, so

801
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:53.800
don't worry. Sorry, Okay, go.

802
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:57.360
See right on.

803
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.440
So yeah, this one time we were tracking some songs

804
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:04.400
for a couple of singles back in like I think

805
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:11.920
twenty and uh we were over in Louisville, Kentucky and

806
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:17.280
flower producer out to set because we already had our

807
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.119
flights going back home, but he had a gig in Austin,

808
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.000
so it kind of worked out in our favor.

809
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.119
So anyways, we.

810
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:27.239
Picked him up from Austin once he finished this gig.

811
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.280
He came for a couple of days and we finished

812
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.599
tracking the songs that we needed to finish. And uh

813
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.039
so my bassis, Jack and I were actually are from

814
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:39.800
the Little Rato, Texas, which about two hours and a

815
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:55.000
half south of San Antonio. We finished the Antonio like

816
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:55.800
an eleven pm.

817
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:57.760
He saw me there.

818
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:07.880
Your coache. Hello, Yeah, I can hear you now you

819
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:14.079
were kind yeah heard heard.

820
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.559
So yeah, anyways, we finished the studio session like around

821
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:23.199
eleven pm where we're at Jaden's house and like I said,

822
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.960
Jack and I we have to drive two hours and

823
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:33.440
a half. Right up outside we're sitting, we're si and

824
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.920
then we car drive by like the house. They're driving

825
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.639
kind of slow. It's like four dudes in the car,

826
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:42.280
and it just kind of feels weird. And and literally

827
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.320
they turn around, circle back, and like instantly they start speeting,

828
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.400
and like twelve shots get fired and we obviously fight

829
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.480
or flight mound. We just we just run back into

830
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.920
the house instantly or like and our producers still inside

831
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.519
of the house and he's like, what's the guys you're

832
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:01.079
back inside.

833
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.599
I was like, did you not hear that? And he's like, no,

834
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:04.199
what happened?

835
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.800
Like, dude, there's like gunshots that could get get down,

836
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.800
Like what the heck, you know, And and he just

837
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.159
ended up staying inside the house and we ended up

838
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:14.039
going home that night.

839
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.920
So that was like one of the scarier stories.

840
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:23.079
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought up because bands go

841
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.159
through scary crap like that and you don't even realize

842
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.119
that what can happen no matter what on the road

843
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.800
or what have you. And you know, like, uh, I know,

844
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.639
there's been band members that have been mugged, attacked or

845
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.719
carjacked all that, and these are the things that you

846
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.119
guys go through to give us some great music.

847
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:53.039
What's insane? Speaking of carjacking, we have a music video

848
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.519
for Go Sebrations. I'm like driving a car in the video.

849
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.719
So that car we actually ended up borrowing. We were

850
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.159
supposed to use Jaden's at the time because he had

851
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.280
like a he had like a Dodge, like a Challenger

852
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.360
or a Chargers and that he was like a skatpack Dodge,

853
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.800
really nice car. Literally, I think the day before the

854
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:12.559
videos shoot where we were gonna take the car out,

855
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:13.880
it got stolen.

856
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.159
Off this front like driveway.

857
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:17.199
Wow.

858
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.079
They just took it.

859
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:24.280
Like his Mom's like, hey, Jadeen, I thought you left

860
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.599
the store or something, and he's like, no, I'm right

861
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:27.920
here by.

862
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.760
What's up. He's like I heard your cards or nothing.

863
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.320
I thought you left. He's like no, and they go

864
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.800
outside and they just see a windshield on the floor.

865
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.519
There's no crap.

866
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.000
This is like the day before we were supposed to

867
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.840
film the music videos. You're like, well, we have no

868
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:42.719
car for the video.

869
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:44.920
Wow.

870
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:48.440
Yeah, So speaking of carjacking, that's also happened.

871
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.760
It is amazing, Like I love hearing stuff like this

872
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.119
because I like when the audience finds out what it's

873
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.000
really like behind the scenes, because they look at musicians

874
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.639
and they think, oh, you got the dream li and

875
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.400
in some ways you do, you know, but there's it's

876
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.400
like every person. Every person has their trials and tribulations,

877
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.679
and musicians are no different. And to me, musicians are

878
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.800
the hardest working people there is. So if they want

879
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.880
to listen to my show, they need to go to

880
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.000
your merch store and buy some merch.

881
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.519
Oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.

882
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.320
So tell everybody how they can check you guys out

883
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.440
on socials on the web and check out all your merch.

884
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.079
Yeah, absolutely, I mean you can find us mostly on socials,

885
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.159
on Instagram and TikTok that's usually most active, and streaming stream.

886
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.519
Us anywhere they stream.

887
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.159
You know, our security puts us on most platforms as possible,

888
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.199
but obviously you know the big big ones. You can

889
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.559
find us in Spotify, Apple Music, and yeah, just to

890
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.280
keep up with us, we always got stuff. And then

891
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.760
our merch store you can go to takemtidespan dot com.

892
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.159
That's where we have any exclusive drops or any leftover

893
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.800
tour merch that we didn't sell on tour, So in

894
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.000
case you missed something or miss the show, you can always.

895
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:05.360
Grab it there too.

896
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.480
Nice and you know it's funny you mentioned Apple Music,

897
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:14.360
and I normally like, before I do interviews, I'll just

898
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.719
while I'm like getting ready, I'll just go to Apple

899
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.000
Music and turn on the band's music to kind of

900
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.039
get in the zone. And Apple Music has a new

901
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:25.519
update now. I don't even know if you know. I

902
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.280
just saw it for the first time today and it

903
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.199
told me all your tour dates, including welcome to Rockville.

904
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.480
Dude, that's awesome. I've not updated my phone in like

905
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.920
a year, so because I don't trust it.

906
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.639
I don't blame It's cool, man.

907
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.880
Yeah, I was like, that's really cool for bands because

908
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.519
like you go on there and you go to your

909
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.719
page and looks similar to normal, but then there's a

910
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.599
place at the top to click on for the tour dates.

911
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:54.480
So that's so cool.

912
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.079
I got to give kudos to Apple for doing that

913
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:57.760
for you guys.

914
00:46:58.480 --> 00:46:59.760
Yeah, you know, Apple's really great.

915
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.760
They they pay better than most other streaming platforms, and

916
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.800
the quality on there is like some of the best,

917
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:08.159
you know.

918
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.039
So I'm so glad to hear that they pay you

919
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.480
guys better. Because I don't use Spotify, like I'll use

920
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.039
it for certain things like when I do the festivals,

921
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.679
I create playlist of all the interviews on Spotify, but

922
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.719
not for the music for the podcast. But I hate

923
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.920
that they don't pay you guys. So the fact that

924
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:32.719
Apple pays you better, kudos to them, because even in

925
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.880
my industry now with streaming and everything else, there's so

926
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.199
many of my competitors that like, don't get licensed, don't

927
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.239
pay royalties, And I'll say shit to them, because I'm licensed.

928
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.000
I pay a lot of money to be licensed. Pay

929
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.920
royalties because you guys deserve to get paid. And I'll

930
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:52.079
ask them like about them, like you know, and they'll say, well,

931
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.039
they should just want me to play their music, Like, no,

932
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:56.760
do you work for free?

933
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:57.440
You know?

934
00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.920
Of course, yeah, you do want them to play your music.

935
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.360
But you know you're doing this for a living, so

936
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.280
you need to be able to eat. I'm not talking

937
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:09.119
about buying a ferrari. We're talking about this.

938
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.280
You're you're not making a lot of money in this business.

939
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.719
You're exactly unless you're the top one percent, then you

940
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.360
know you're probably making a good living. But even like

941
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.639
the bands that are massive selling a thousand tickets to night,

942
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:24.480
they're still just living.

943
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.719
You know, you're probably better having off on normal nine

944
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:28.239
to five.

945
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:33.000
In terms of money no doubt, no doubt so. And

946
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:37.760
that's why musicians have passion for what they do because

947
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you're not doing it for the money. You're certainly not

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doing to become a rock star, because that doesn't even

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exist anymore. You know, you're doing it because you have

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a passion for music, and music is the best surfy.

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So I do thank you for making that, you know,

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and making music and making that sacrifice so that we

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could all get the therapy. You know, you get it

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and we get it, and to me, the music's the

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best therapy. And I can't wait to go see my therapist.

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That Welcome to Rockville.

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Oh yeah, thank you.

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Thank you for being on the Adventures of pipe Man,

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and we'll see you soon in Daytona.

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Absolutely, we'll see you there.

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Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pipe Man

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on w for CUI Radio.