PipemanRadio Interviews Mike's Dead at Welcome to Rockville 2024

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mister Mike's dead. How's it going?

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Oh, it's going great because you
just performed here. Welcome to Rockville.

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Like it. I can go home
now. Yeah, it's all you needed

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to see. Yeah, I don't
need to see anybody else. How is

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it out there? Man? It
was good. We were just talking about

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this. But you know, it's
it's hot, it's humid, it's Florida.

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Yeah, it's great, though it's
it's a little bit tough, I

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think, to perform under those conditions
we're so used to being. Like right

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now, we're on tour in this
moment, we're doing like you know,

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theaters and stuff like that. You
get used to playing inside and all of

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a sudden, they're like, oh
shit, okay, it's hot, it's

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humid' I might pass out. See. I never thought of that perspective.

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I think of the festivals and I
always think, like we were talking before,

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how hard it is on artists to
play in this weather. But then

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I didn't think about what you just
said. And that makes a lot of

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sense. If you're on tour doing
like clubs and inside venue and then you

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come to this, yeah, you're
not it's an ultra shock. You're not

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prepped for it. I mean,
we just did a couple we did three

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outside shows in Texas last week.
It was with Motionless, and in this

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moment, like all like big amphitheaters
and we all did. There's three days

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back to back to back, all
outside, and I was like, dude,

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one of these days I'm gonna die
right in these days, I'm gonna

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pass out exactly, And like it's
I think people don't realize you put it

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all out on stage and people don't
notice because you don't let them because you're

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out there entertained. And then you
get off stage and you give yourself permission

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to die. Yeah, immediately,
immediately. My guitarist is the same way.

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He's like, if I don't feel
like I'm gonna pass out at least

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three times in the set, I'm
not going hard enough. Right. Yeah,

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I love that. That's a true
artist, right, You have to

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you have to go hard. If
not, the set's really boring. Yeah.

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So were you amazed? I mean
you've done other Damni Wimmer festivals,

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so maybe not. But were you
amazed at how many people were out there

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as early as this? And yeah, people are outside. I mean granted

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today, what's today Friday? Yeah, I think I see you see a

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little bit more of that early crowd
on Saturday Sunday, just because it's the

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weekend, right, there's a fair
amount of people here, right, and

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it'll keep just filling up all day. I'm gonna tell you right now,

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from what I saw yesterday, it's
gonna be the highest attended Danny Wimmer festival

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ever. Really. Yeah, it
was. It was insane yesterday, jeez.

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And that was the Thursday. Yeah, it was just I couldn't believe

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it. I went to ICP on
the garage stage, so that stage is

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on the other side. It was
the smallest stage. Yeah, and I

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had to get to the stage,
you know for doing coverage and stuff.

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I had the hardest freaking time getting
to the stage. And I never have

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a hard time, like I'm an
old school thrasher, like I can get

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through the crowd. Yeah, it
was tough. There was wall to wall

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people. You thought it was the
main stage. It was so deep.

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I mean ICP does also have like
a cult fan base. Yeah. I

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don't even know why they were on
that stage. That is kind of weird.

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I mean they do have like,
for example, like Slaughter to Prevail.

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Today they're on the fourth stage right, and I'm like, they could

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easily be a main stage band exactly. Seeing like where people land is very

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interesting to me, Like how do
I don't know how they make those decisions?

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Right? And then yesterday what I
found when there were bands this usually

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doesn't happen that I wanted to see
two or three bands that were playing at

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the same time. Yeah, I
mean, I will say with them expanding

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the lineup, because if you look
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played last year, we've played you
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all of them. Now, the
lineup was usually four stages and it was

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a little bit less heavy. Now
it's like stacked to the brim and a

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fifth stage. So you have all
these new bands, like you're we're getting

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to the point where you're gonna have
to overlap. Yeah, well that's the

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point. I know. Like during
our set, like Powerman five thousand was

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playing and then right when they were
done, Sleep Theory was playing, and

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those are homies, and so it's
like everyone's kind of three way crossing over

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a little bit again. You know
what happened to me because of it?

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Yesterday I told this story another interview. So after ICP, Carrie King was

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going on this is this was his
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I'm a huge Slayer fan and I
know Carrie from way back from the very

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beginning. I'm like, I have
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I don't know what I wasn't paying
attention or whatever. We left ICP,

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we went to the next stage.
I went through the crowd to get to

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where the Pitt's gonna be right front
and center, and when I'm going through,

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I'm like, this crowd seems too
nice to be a Slayer type crowd.

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Okay, like people were moving out
of my way, like this sandwich

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crowd is moving out my way as
I'm breaking through them, you know,

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and it's like usually it's like you've
got assholes that won't let you through or

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people complaining and you know. And
so we finally get there and then they

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start to show and it's like this
red and white lights and stuff, and

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it could easily been carry King because
that's his colors too. And then David

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Draymond walked out, Oh no way. I'm like, fuck, I'm at

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the wrong stage. That's funny.
Oh and then so then again to the

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point of how busy Rockville is this
year, I was I had to fly

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to get to the other stage,
and still carry King wasn't going on for

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another ten minutes. So I was
like, okay, I can get there.

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Yeah, I was going through the
crowd and I turned to the other

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media person I was with and I'm
like, this crowd doesn't end. Like

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we were literally walking from like near
the rail to get out of the crowd

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for ten minutes and still I couldn't
see light. At the end of this

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was this was disturbed stage. Well
that makes sense. They're they're a huge

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band, but it just blew my
mind, like I've never seen a crowd

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that deep, Like it was deep, you know, and I thought I

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like waiting a circle or something.
Yeah, and then I finally did get

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to Kerry King, but oh my
god, I can't believe I was at

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the wrong fucking stage. I've never
done that ever in my life. But

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Carry King killed it. It.
Oh yeah, it was badass, you

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know. Yeah, we play we
play Slayer Day at Louder than Life this

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year. Wow, it'll be interesting. But like see, because I mean,

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you always obviously have time at the
end of the day, like I'm

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most of the rest of my day, I'm gonna watch other bands. It'll

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be cool to see Slayer Slairry Union. I don't know how long it's been.

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It's been five years. Five years, and last night was the first

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time Carrie played live at all in
five years. Cool. Could you imagine

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you're an artist you didn't play in
five years and you're doing your first gig.

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It's almost like you get nervous,
like the first gig you ever did.

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Imagine you like completely out of it, being like all right, cool

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shit, I gotta remember how to
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Yeah, I kind of like consistency, like with playing at least we're

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on tour all of March. We've
been on tour, We're gonna be on

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tour all of May, and then
we're on tour all of like June to

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July. Nice and so as tiring
and fucking exhausting as it is, it's

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cool because it's like you don't get
worn out right, Like mentally it's a

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little taxing, but like physically,
like my voice, my voice holds up

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fine. That's played full four or
five six shows in a row and be

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like, oh, I'm cool.
But if say we hadn't been touring for

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months and then we're like all right, cool, we're gonna do this super

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heavy tour and blah blah blah,
and it's like, ah, I do

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I'm fucked unless I'm hearing that's a
killer secret there, because you know,

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like I sang threshmall w as a
teenager, and now once in a while

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on my show, I'll sing like
one song and halfway through the song,

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my throat's done because I don't fucking
do it properly, you know, And

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I'm like, how do people do
that for two hours every single night,

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Like I don't that. I don't
understand. Luckily we're still playing like thirty

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forty five minute sets two hours.
Fuck that. Yeah, especially when you're

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like, yeah, like there's there, there's something I'm doing wrong, because

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how I don't know how anybody holds
that up. Yeah. I can't imagine

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like Knock Loose playing for an hour
and a half, right, Brian's voice

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just getting absolutely warn the fuck out
every night. It's gotta yeah, I

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mean I would not have a voice
for the next night, for sure.

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I thought it was smart. I
saw Motionless, not not the shows that

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we just did with them, but
last year when they were when they had

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Knock Looses direct, it was really
smart. Chris. I think the Motionless

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set was like an hour and thirty
or hour forty, like a long set,

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right, And he would like systematically
bring out the frontmen from the other

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bands. So he'd bring out like
Brian from Knocked Loose, he brought out

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the frontmen from Alfa Wolf, the
guy from After the Burial to do a

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lot of like the heavy screaming parts. Wow that long, So it's like

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all right, that way, it
can kind of prolong my vocals a little

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bit instead of me having to do
everything. Yeah, and every you know,

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the crowd gets excited. It's like, oh cool, I just brought

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this guy on stage, and it's
a way to keep the crowd happy,

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but also like rest your voice a
little bit. Yeah. Actually, I

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think that's a great idea and nobody
would ever know. No, no,

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I just I noticed it immediately because
I was like, oh, that's kind

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of smart, right, Like,
if I didn't to be screaming, is

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not that taxing. It's just when
you overpush it, when you start like

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going from a scream to more of
a yell, then it's like oh shit,

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Yeah, well that's the thing.
That's why I said, because I

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don't know what I'm doing, because
you know, I'm using my throat way

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more than I should be, and
that's why it's taxing. Yeah, you

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know, and if you're trained properly, you wouldn't do that. Yeah,

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it's all in your like palette,
like soft pallett up at the top of

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your mouth. Yeah I don't.
I've made that mistake plenty of times for

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sure. Right. Yeah. So, speaking of which, when when is

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that first moment in your life that
he thought man, I want to get

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up there and do this shit.
It when I was a kid, for

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sure, But I never really had
a a set standard or a set goal

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with like what I wanted to do
because I got into music when I was

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really young, but then I grew
up in like a very standard conservative family

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type of situation, where I want
to be a musician was highly frowned upon

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them. Yeah, not supported whatsoever. So I don't know. I mean,

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I started when I was like twenty. I used to DJ clubs.

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I DJed for a couple of years. Maybe my drummer, actually, my

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current drummer used to DJ for a
couple of years and we were playing like

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two thousand cap clubs in DC.
Wow. We were playing like four or

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five shows a week when I was
going to college in Maryland. And so

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I've always had that standard of being
like, I want to do this,

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but I don't know in what facet
right, And over time it changed.

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There was a period of my life
where I was just simply producing for people

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for like two three years, removing
myself from that, you know that light,

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and I think that gives me a
lot more tools now because it's like

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I still write and produce everything myself
for the project for Mistaid. So it's

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like, all right, cool,
now I have the capability and to really

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do exactly what I want. And
if you need to bring in another producer

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who has a different toolkit, let's
do it and then me and him can

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work on some cool shit. We've
done that, you know, time and

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time again now. But I don't
know, I've always had this like I

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want to do something with it.
I'm not a very like, look at

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me type of person, so it's
never it's not it's never been like,

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oh my god, I need all
the fame and I need all the people.

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Those real musicians aren't the ones that
don't last, that are that do

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it for the fame and the money, and they're idiots because if you're doing

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for the money in twenty twenty,
you're not gonna make shit. And I've

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been learning that like more and more, and it's very disheartening for sure,

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because it's like you start to see
like everybody wants a piece of everything.

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Your business slowly starts to dwindle because
you're paying so many people out, especially

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with touring. Like touring it's so
funny, Oh, people don't realize how

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expensive it's ridiculous, like we still
were still in a van and it call

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me like twenty five to thirty grand
per tour and that's before we make any

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money. Yeah, so you have
to make thirty K to even remotely break

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even. If not, I'm taking
a loss, right, and you gotta

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eat. Yeah, that's what I'm
saying. Well, I factor that into

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that thirty but like we we don't
eat. Great, we're eating at Cracker

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Barrel every day and shit, right, you know what I mean. We're

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not We're not hey, wait,
let's just say third this warning listening.

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Cracker Barrel is like my favorite place. Oh it is such a cool fucking

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place. And every time I have
to shop the store, oh, every

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time I ever do it, I
like, not necessarily they will buy anything,

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but I like saying the old school
candy dude, They've got everything there,

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like they got ship you can't get
anywhere. I really want to reach

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out to them and see if we
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Well you know what, you can
still shout outs whenever I whenever I

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can, because I finally love that
set up a Cracker Barrel tour, Like,

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has anybody ever done that? No? Because with my type of music,

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they'd be like, get the fuck
out of here. Yeah, that's

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the problem, is like, especially
with brands in twenty twenty four. Yeah,

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I guess it really like bluegrass and
rocking chairs, playing the Cracker borrow

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to everybody wants PG nowadays, which
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music. It's you know, well, you know it's funny too that you

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mentioned that, because I've even changed
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stuff that, like I was said
years ago that yeah, I can't really

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say. It's just part of how
things are going right now, and I

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think that it has a purpose.
But at the same time, it's gotten

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way too much. People can't really
express any opinion anymore without people feeling the

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need to say that, oh that's
wrong. It's like, I dude,

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it's part of everyone has. Everyone
is entitled to opinions, like I don't

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care. Yeah, I have friends
that I'm like, dude, I can't

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agree with you on that, but
it's your opinion. I'm not going to

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try to. Yeah, I think
everybody has to right as long as they're

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not hurting anybody purposely to have their
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stupid thought processes. I even feel
like, like I'm a Jew, I

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feel like somebody that doesn't like Jews
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I may not like that they don't, but I'd rather talk to them and

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find out why they feel that way, because usually it's because they have some

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something that happened, or some somebody
that puts shit in their head or whatever.

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I remember once I was sitting down
literally with neo Nazi and I'm asking

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them, I'm like, why do
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What do you And he started saying
certain things. I'm like, you

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know that's not true, right,
Like we mean like no, we don't

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have horns in our head because like
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like we have these horns built into
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that comes from like a systematic like
family tree almost like not not you know

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what I mean, Like it's all
it's like nature versus nurture argument, Like

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a lot of it is how you're
raised and who you're and that I'm not

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just for those like extremist type of
views, but like all types of views

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and how people like go about their
lives. They learn a lot of their

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shit from their parents, who might
not be the healthiest of people, and

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then especially different generations, like I
think about it, Like my dad comes

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from the time of like Archie Bunker, So that's what is normal. And

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what I mean by that is like
the racist comments that weren't meant to be

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racist, but they were racist type
of things. And like, I think

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you also have to look at all
the variable somebody has in their life,

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Like I have a family member that
if you don't agree or you have a

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different opinion, you're uneducated and uninformed. And my answer always is no,

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maybe they just have a different education, and maybe they grew up in different

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household with different family members, with
different friend influences, geographic locations. I

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mean that the list is endless of
what forms your opinions. Yeah, I

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mean, and that's the problem I
think right now is you have especially with

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like cancel culture and like the woke
shit. I mean, like part of

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that I think is correct, part
of it, a very small fragment of

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it, Like it's I think it
started with the right intentions, right,

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it's like extreme, Yeah, you're
outing people that are fucking terrible, people

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like I remember like Bill Cosby was
one of the first people that fucking makes

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sense. Dudes, it's dude's not
I don't know if I'm allowed to cuss,

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but you can say whatever you want, dude. Dude's not a great

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guy. But then it started spurring
into being like, oh, I can

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just say whatever I want and cancel
anyone do this, that, and the

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third because they don't agree with me. And you see that time and time

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again. Now I think I think
the rhetoric is changing. In the last

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year during COVID, it was really
bad. Yeah, everybody was bored at

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home and angry and online and just
out their ass, to be honest,

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and now it's like people are fragmented
and people are realizing it's gotten out,

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like it's gotten out of hand.
A lot of people are just not getting

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involved or leaving as social media stuff
alone, because you get people that will

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just sit there for hours and argue
in comments and I don't I can't even

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handle it, get it. Sometimes
I'll comment on something somebody will just keep

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going like shut up, dude.
People are bored and lonely. I think

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it's what it comes down to and
angry. Yeah, and like I always

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say, social media is the most
unsocial thing there is, like it is

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it is. We have more ways
to communicate than ever before, and our

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communication is the absolute worst. Yeah, I mean I remember seeing a study

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that like loneliness is at like an
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social media is like one of the
most active, downloaded used things possible,

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because there's nothing social about it,
it's very like I feel like it pushes

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people away in the in the realm
of like you're just sitting there watching someone

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live their life and you're not involved
in it, and nobody leaves the house.

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They just go on there. They
get addicted to that and they think

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it's real life and people are not
who they really are on there, but

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you think they are, or you
ride on something or it's like it's just

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ridiculous. When we add zero internet, zero cell phones, and zero social

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media, I think people communicated way
better and were a lot less angry.

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I think people treated people better a
little bit, like as far as like

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in person, because you don't need
to know everything about somebody either, you

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know, like people weren't so vocal
about their bullshit to other people. Yeah,

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you know, it's like you keep
it to yourself. What did I

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grow up on? Don't talk religion
politics. Yeah, it's a pretty good

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rule exactly because it, I mean, that's a super sensitive topic and you're

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not going to convert somebody by no
yelling at them and be like, if

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you want somebody to change them,
listen to them too. You want people

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to change any type of view,
you gotta sit down, take a bunch

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of mushrooms, and there you have
a pow wow for a little bit.

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And I love it. Softly explain
your point of view and then they might

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understand it. I love I love
that. I remember like when it was

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like I hate politics. I fucking
hate politics. I'm an anarchist too,

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And thick stream being said when Trump
and Biden were first running that first presidential

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race with them, and that's when
politics were just fucking insane. Everybody was

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choosing sides and it was very strong. It was hard to have conversations with

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people if you're like, yeah,
like, hey, that's cool, I

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just I see what you mean.
I just don't agree, and I that's

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fine because a lot of people wouldn't
be like they wouldn't just let you disagree

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and then walk away. It was
like, no, I'm right and I

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have to explain why I'm right I
thought, and I'm like, dude,

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I don't care. I just like
I'm not involved. I'll tell you a

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perfect example of that. Okay.
I've been in Costa Rica for three months.

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Oh wait, wait, wait,
hold on. I love Costa Rica.

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I was all over because I love
Costa Rica. I was in Tamarindo

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in Nosara most of the time.
I loved Nosara, and that's my favorite

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place, Nosaura, no Sara.
Okay, I was actually I'm planning on

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going there in a few weeks again, right in this moment tour. Last

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time, I went to Marbella.
Okay, yeah, I was. That's

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close to Tamarindo. That's what I
thought, because I'm pretty sure I drove

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through Tamarindo to get there. Yeah. Yeah, dude, Costa Rica's like

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a hidden gem of traveling. It's
fucking fucking love not anymore, you're gonna

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be oh my god. I've been
looking at fights and ship the last week.

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That is, wait till you get
there, though. I bought a

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bag of grapes for twenty bucks.
Huh, like everything, like I go

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every year, All the food at
the restaurants from last year, is double.

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Oh wow, why because we have
all the shit we do and then

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we and they have to import.
Yeah, so yeah, it's yeah.

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When we I went maybe a year
and a half, two years ago,

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we stayed at Marbella, and it's
just it's fucking beautiful. Like I have

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videos on my phone that's like unedited, no filters, and it's like,

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huh, this is real, this's
happened exactly. You guys explore all over

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the country because there's like all these
different vibes. But here's the one common

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thing that I love about Costa Rica. Yeah, here's what's supposedly a third

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world country. It is, but
you know, calling that and people poor

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as shit poor. They're poor.
Our poor is rich compared to their poor,

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you know, and they have nothing, and they're the most gracious,

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happy, awesome, friendly, nicest
people. That's what we need to learn.

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Like what and you know what you're
saying about with Biden and Trump and

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politics, Listen, as far as
I'm concerned, they're all on the same

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team. And it ain't mine.
All the politicians, Like it's the biggest

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bullshit, like divide and conquers the
oldest thing in the book. So yeah,

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I mean yeah, when we have
you Have you been down to Marbella,

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Have you like driven through it.
It's like a hundred person town,

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right, It's very fucking small.
There's like two restaurants, one grocery store,

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like two bars. There's not a
lot of options. But I remember

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we were going into the town to
get groceries on like a Thursday night or

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something, and the whole town was
like bustling with people. Like everyone was

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talking and like having fun, and
kids were out and people were playing soccer

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and shit, and I'm like,
yeah, I feel I remember this when

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I was a kid. Right,
That's what America used to kind of look

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like, where it's like everyone went
outside, like you knew all your neighbors,

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you hung out with each other.
You kind of Now it's like if

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someone rings my doorbell, I'm like, who the fuck is that? Right?

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Why are you at my house?
Like the fear that's been instilled in

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our and everybody else have a ring, Yeah, everyone has a ring.

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Camera. You don't know exactly who's
walking up to your so paranoid about everything,

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and I'm like, I fucking hate
this. And then you fall,

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you fall victim to it because everyone
else does it. Exactly how I do.

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I'm like, who the fuck just
ring the doorbell? Yeah right,

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versus like back in the day it
happened this morning at the hotel room and

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somebody's knocking at the hotel room door
to mate or whatever. We're like,

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what the fuck's knocking on our door? That's so funny, Like dude,

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who Yeah, if you don't know
who it is, it always freaks you

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the fuck out, no doubt.
So tell me about your latest song,

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because that's pretty badass. Latest song
is called Bistrophemis. It's German for punish

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Me. My engineer, Jonathan was
learning German for a bit he went over

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for he went to Germany, I
think for like a month, and so

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he was learning German just to kind
of freshen up on it. And I

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was like, dude, German's a
sick language, obviously with like Ramstein and

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that's everything like that. And I
came up with the concept for like a

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song title being like punished Me while
I was driving and I was like,

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dude, what if I like this
could be a cool German name, Like

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what is this? What does this
translate to? So in this song I

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actually purposely mispronounce it like I say
it. The correct terminology is Bestrafemich,

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and I say it Bestrafemische because it
rhymes with punish me that, right.

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So I kind of purposely botched it, but it works and people like it.

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We just played it, you know, a few hours ago. Nice.

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I like the what separates that one
is like, obviously you have all

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the heavy elements, but you also
have like the fucking big eto eights on

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the verses, and then the pre
chorus is like a techno pre chorus.

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Just cool because I come from like
an electronic background, and so working that

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into my songs is really unique because
it separates us from a lot of the

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other current modern groups. Right.
So the song has been great. The

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music videos fucked, music videos insane. I don't know if you've seen it.

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I didn't see the video just to
song. Now I have to check

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it out. It's like one of
those where you're like, oh, this

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is undeniably good and everybody else needs
to see it. Yeah, And I'll

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tell you, man, I was
listening to it and I'm like, is

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definitely some of your heavier shit,
and it's I dig it, thank you.

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I dig the heavy component of it. And it's just like such a

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well produced song. Yeah, it
like flows, even with the arrangement being

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very like unique, it still moves
from one section to another very seamlessly.

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Yeah, especially with the writing too. And it's just I don't know,

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it's it's my favorite song that I've
got out. I think it's easy to

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show someone to that and be like, oh, cool, this is this

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is what this is you. This
is authentic in you nice versus like,

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oh, it's like that's not formulaic
at all. And I feel like,

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especially with Radio and Octane and all
the other ship that's just you hear these

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time and time again. It's the
same formulaic bullshit and I'm I hate that

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ship. That ship Oh I talk
about that comes on and I'm like,

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yep, turn it off. Yeah, I talk about it all the time.

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It's like when did met Like it
happens a lot in metal, when

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did metal become a formula? I
know, like, and everybody sounds the

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same. I remember being young and
all the people that hate metal, so

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also it's the same. I'm like, no, it doesn't blah blah.

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I show them how it didn't.
Now if they say to me, I'm

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like, yeah, you're right,
dude. Yeah, it's a pain.

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And that's the thing is I was. I will always try my best to

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be as unique as I can and
stay away from that type of shit.

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Sorry, uh uh where the tornadoes
coming in? It's coming in. Yeah,

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see lost pair of batteries. But
I think that's why you have to

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kind of just do your own thing
right now. Yeah, you got a

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lot of people like uh, like
we're on tour with like Kim Dracula's direct

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support for in this moment right now, and like Kim's music is so fucking

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unique. It's so like ADHD neurotic, fucking post jazz, hard hardcore,

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angry. I don't know how to
do. I love it, but it's

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very unique in what he does,
you know, And so I think you

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have to respect that and build out
your own little wave right now. And

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I think that's what we're kind of
paving in the industrial side, but still

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keeping it unique and keeping it our
own. There you go. I love

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it, and tell everybody how they
can reach out to you again. On

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socials everywhere, get merch a it's
Mike's dead on everything pretty much. Merch

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is Mike's dead. Dot com you
can see all of our upcoming tour dates,

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some music videos, shit like that. But we're at wherever you listen

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to music, it's just search up
Mike's dead. Put on the first song

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you hear and crank it as loud
as you can. There it is.

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I love it. Anything else you
want to share with the listeners, we

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haven't covered yet. I don't have
any secrets or anything. We just announced

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a new tour with Upon a Burning
Body in June nice, so we just

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got some fresh dates up and then
you know, we're still on the road

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within this moment for another two weeks. I love it. I love that

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you're here to Welcome to Rockville,
and thanks for being on the Adventures pipe

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Man, thanks for having me.
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of

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Patement on w for c u I
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