Entheos Performs at Inkcarceration 2026 at Shawshank Prison - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you have done to censure? See wow for you your. This is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here. With Cheney a crab apentheos. Nice here at incarceration. Yeah. Well you had to go to prison to get your mus I. Know, right, Well, a lot of people always thought I'd end up here, but not in this way. It's funny because when I was leaving, well not even when I was just leaving, but the whole week I just kept posting on my Facebook just oh, I can't wait.

0:48 I'm going to. Prison, going and here we are on the outside of it. Right, it's like a really cool building. I think there are ghost tours going on. I don't want to go. Let's talk about that. You don't get to go. I don't think I get to go to the ghosts Like I'm busy all day. You know, you gotta go. I want to. I know. I don't want to take anything like out with me, any spirits away with me. Well there's a story behind that too, So glad you said that. Yeah, because we have the Blood Prison, which is the haunted thing. Yeah, with characters, but the prison really is haunted. Yeah, I mean, I believe I've seen parent paranormal shows.

1:29 It's usually out of prison, so. Check this out. The first time I did this festival several years ago, I was interviewing Whalen Reeves from a killer's confession and previously mushroom Head. Yeah, and he was telling me he filmed the video in the torture room here. There was a torture room. No, and he was by himself in there, and he came out and his chest was all scratched up in blood. He is lying, There's no way. I know right, I wasn't there. But that's the thing. If you are a convincing person like I feel like, and you're you know, if you're a convincing person, you could get someone to believe that story. I want to see the scratches, That's all I'm saying. I was like, I need the pictures now. Some things happened in my life, but not scratches. But I have experience.

2:20 What have you seen? Tell me? So? First of all, when I was in high school, I lived in Agora, California, and at the time, it wasn't built up. It was just a questrian It was like not what it is now, which is very popular, and I left for three years before I came back and visited and my town they had built all these multimillion dollar homes where there was a park. Yeah yeah, and one home was fenced around, boarded up, and there in the middle. Of these okay, and scary a little bit. So my curiosity has the best of me, and I'm looking and I'm standing there, and I just heard a noise and something made me say myself, step back, and I did, and one of the boards fell down right where I was standing. Oh my god, I'm out. Okay, yeah, gone, listen.

3:22 I did play with the occult when I was a teenager or okay, and because of that, I do not play with the occult any meanings. Yeah, I would never do that. I don't have experiences like this, but I've been. So. I'm from des Moines, Iowa. And there outside of Des Moines, we have this town called Valliska that has a very very well known axe murder house where a man in the nineteen twenties snuck in they think, by train to these people's house, killed them all with an axe, and a guy bought the house and it's a museum now. So I went into the house, and I hadn't really had any parent experiences before that, but going inside of that axe murder house seeing pictures that he had, like he would draw circles on a like dresser tops and put marbles in the circles and they would stay there. But you would come back after going upstairs through the entire house and come back and the marbles would be moved and.

4:22 Things like that. But you could just overall feel a weight where it's like something nefarious has happened inside of this house. And that's like the closest to paranormal that I've experienced. I haven't had any weird like, oh, I've had plenty of Yeah. Really, Okay, so I feel like, do you think that you what hold on? Okay? Go with this? What is it? Okay? So if you go to the An Frank house, now, yeah, the attic where she was has a plexiglass thing. You can't go up there. You can just look up there. Yeah. But when I went the first time, you could go up there. Oh wow. And at the time I was married, my wife and I were climbing up the stairs. She went up. I got because I have very strong spiritual energy. I got halfway up I'm like, and I don't get scared. I just said, no, I'm not. Like energy was so dark. Really, it was like, and I don't scare by darkness, but this, yeah, it was so dark that I was like, I'm going back down.

5:27 You could go up if you want, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I'm with you, like, I don't. I guess that you're saying that you'll go inside of it and if it gets too bad, you'll leave. But I just don't really watch like this. I think I think it's a museum. So I didn't think. Anything of yeah, of course, yeah, yeah right. I'm like, yeah, it's just a museum. Yeah. Absolutely. I've had other experiences, like I've had good experiences, like my grandparents. Uh, my grandmother's sister was known as like one of the most renowned psychics in the world, and she's she's buried right next to my grandparents. And one night I was with my kids, my sister in law, my niece, and we were going to see my grandparents, you know grave, because I would always every time I was in the air, it happened to be night this time.

6:18 Yeah. I go up to a gate where you drive in, and the gate was closed, So I went up the block, I parked, you know, and then I walked down because I was just gonna walk in, and I left everybody in the vehicle. The gate was open and I was locked, chained up, lock and I went back to the vehicle and I'm like, was that gate open or closed? When they all said close? So it wasn't me. I was checking out, wasn't may I haven't. Seen sometimes I'm sorry, you know. And then it was a very still night, no wind, nothing. We drive up and while they stay in the vehicle, I walk up to my grandparents grave where my great anids too, and all of a sudden, all the leaves start swirling around their stone tombstones, but there's no wind.

7:09 Yeah, that's okay. I'm like, are you making this up to God? You just never like there's only I'm also somebody. I'm scientific, so there's like some yeah, explanation. Yeah, of course, I'm just a person who I'm into balance. I'm into neutrality, and that's why I can see both ways of things, Like I. Do, are you a Libra because I'm a total lamb libra. That is a great guess. My friend, my birthday is September thirtieth, mine's October eleventh. There we go. Yeah, that's why I know the same way I hate extremes. Yeah, like, well, like crap that's going on in the world too extreme for me, extreme for me? Like, yeah, let's in the middle.

7:52 I agree. I mean that's I have this uncannyability that I can see both sides of every situation to even getting divorced, even though other people think differently. The person that got hurt the most, I'm like, well, I could see her. Side, of course, yeah, you. Know, And I don't have to agree, right, but I can see it, you know, And I understand. That's exactly how I am in everything and every relationship and every scenario, just you know, planning things. I can see how something, why something would work better one way, and why it would work better the other way. It's and sometimes that works against us libras, because it makes us a little I don't know, I feel like she's decisive exactly. It makes us a little indecisive. But at the end of the day, I do think that there is something, you know, I don't know if it's associated with Libra or whatever, but my heart kind of there's something that not in every situation when making decisions, though, there's something that will stand out a little more to me.

8:55 But yeah, it is the ultimate. That's kind of a I would. Say, my my toxic trait is my new charity, you know what, and a lot of. See I don't view that part as toxic. I find the people please lib for me is tough. Yes, that's true. I'm also a people pleaser. Pleaser. I have been in seclusion and not even dated because I'm trying to get that ship under control. Yeah really, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. That's something that I've honestly been able to let go of more and more in my life. And I think it has come with like a role in a band and a role in having to here you go. You know, when you're in a band, you have to sometimes hire people, you have to you have to deal with things that a lot of people don't think you're or know that you deal with that are outside of art and making decisions, and you.

9:44 Kind of have to stand up for yourself in a lot of ways. And that has made me more secure in my decisions like that and not being as much of a people pleaser. But that's just in a business sense. In my everyday life and my friendships and my my familial relationships, I'm very much a people please. Well see we're the same too. Why it comes to business, I'm not as much. Of a peace yeah, because it's business. It's business. Yeah, but you've probably experiences too. The thing that sucks about it is when you try the better yourself, all those people in your life, they don't want you to stop being a people pleaser because it does not serve them.

10:27 Well, that's very true, very true, and people the people will kind of look down on that, I would say, But you know, at the end of the day, I think that if you are a focus, like if you're a focused individual, you know that no matter what other people, no matter what their opinions are of you or what you're doing, you just have to make the correct decisions for yourself. And it's hard. It's hard, especially for. Us, especially for those of us who and I don't want to make everyone happy. And I have that philosophy of like, even with all the things that people argue about nowadays, like you do you as long as you're not intentionally hurting anybody and you it makes you a better person. You do you?

11:10 It doesn't have to be what I do. That's exactly how I feel. I mean, I even feel like that even if it doesn't make you a better person, if if it's not affecting other people, well that's yeah, exactly, it's I mean, I just I prefer to stay out of other people's things. You know I have. You don't know their story, you don't know what their deal is, you don't know why they think they do. No, you don't. I have a brother that if anybody disagrees with his opinion, they're uneducated and uninformed. And I always answer them like, or do it just like that? Or yeah, they were brought up a different place than you had, different friends than you had, a different career than you had, different upbringing, and a million other variables that make them feel the way they do right.

11:55 And it always is interesting to me how some people can't put you into together with that that life is and what who a person becomes is kind of is a lot of things stacked on top of each other, and it starts from the moment you're born. You know, I'm always. I've always been very into psychology before I stopped going to college full time to pursue a band and be a musician. I was studying. I was studying philosophy and psychology. So I always when I interact with the human and start to understand things about them, I always go back to those psychological aspects. What was there? You know, how were they raised? You know, just certain situations, reread certain people. Everyone's kind of a product of the environment that they've grown up and the experience and the experience.

12:47 And we agree again too, because like I was a year away from a PhD in psychology, Oh wow, and I didn't finish there we go all the knowledge I need, I don't need the piece. I know I feel. I feel the same way. And I've been a superstar salesperson, sin some of a kid and that psychology. Yeah, I tell somebody, unless you know how to pay attention, read them and read their facial movements or body movements. And oh it's true. In interviews, like, no two interviews I do are ever the same. You notice I don't have a script. Let the interview take a life of its own. Like if you asked me what the interview was going to be like before this, I wouldn't have said this. Yeah, I mean me either, I had no idea, and I enjoy just coming from someone. I do a lot of interviews, and when interviews are predetermined and it's just based on question question, they are so boring to do over and over again. I'm sure you can relate to this.

13:44 It's like I don't want to talk about these dumb things anymore. Like I get asked the same questions constantly. Where's the band's name from? What's this? Who cares about? No one cares? And who no one cares? You know, no one cares? I mean, don't you feel like this? It's like when you're listening to when you're finding out about new people, when you're hearing about a new artist. When it comes to things like this, I would rather hear about them. I want to know where they come from. I don't care about these like arbitrary the art things I can find out on my own. And I think there's. Something I want to find out, what the artist is passionate. Exactly?

14:24 You know, And it blows my mind what press people don't. Ask I I mean too, you know. And then sometimes you know, I feel bad for artists because I'll sit in the press area and I'll listen to other press people doing interviews. I'm like sitting myself saying if I was the artists, I'd be slitting my throat right now. I know. Yeah, honestly I felt like that before. An I always come from the frame of mind that I also like when people like don't know that much about me. They don't because some people just go in and study every single thing about you, and it's like they pick out that. It's some people. I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but people will now go on Twitter or like any social media site and see up dumb posts that that you made from like a year ago and ask you about that post.

15:12 It's like, so, how do you I mean? This is an example. One time I made a post about tuna on pizza in Europe, which is awful. I'm from New York and New Jersey and I'm Italian Jew. That's sacrilegious and who's married to a Jew? Yeah, so it's sacrilegious to put tuna onzaun. And corn onia in Europe and they will send this to you for catering sometimes as if any American people want this ship. I don't think no. One wants that, but I made a post about it like two years before an interview that I did, and then they asked me. About that post. I'm like, oh my god, I'll.

15:54 Go yeah further. Okay, So and to your point of what you're saying about, you were doing interviews. So I got friendly with Taylor Momson because of my first interview I ever had with her, because I didn't ask her anything about when the Grinch the Grinch or better yet, gossip Girl. Oh yeah, I never even watched gossip I. Have never watched Gossip Girl, and I'm a millennial. It should be right up my alley. It just was like, nah, I've never. Watched it, so I only knew Taylor the musician. Yeah, so I didn't want to go there now, mind you.

16:35 That first interview was nine years after she was off of Gossip Girl. Okay. I did know that she chose to leave that as a star. She was big to go after music because that was her passion, which I have mad respect for. But we started talking afterwards and she's like, it's so tiring. Everybody keeps me about Gossip Girl and interviews at this festival there and she's like, that was nine years ago. I was a kid, you know, like, and I don't get it. Why do you want to ask about that? Like, it's already been done a million times and nobody cares.

17:19 No one cares, And she obviously. Is not going to give you a good interview because she left it for a reason some common sense, right, Yeah. Absolutely. So what I did is, after that first time interviewing her, I binge watched Gossip Girl because I knew the real tailor and I wanted to see why she felt the way she did. Yeah, it was my research. So what conclusion did you come to? I totally get it. Yeah, because the character she plays on that show is one not her. Yeah, it's a role. She's an actress. Actress, people are that stupid. I just have to say radio personality, I play a role.

18:02 Yeah. Like, and I could tell you some stories that would blow your mind, I'm sure, but people like think, even the ones that know you their whole life, you know, like when shock Jock Bee comes out. I have women I've known my whole life that were like, oh my god, what happened to you? You used to be such a nice guy. I'm like, I'm playing a role. Yeah, different people don't really understand that. Yeah, yeah, people don't get it. I mean, it's kind of like inside baseball and stuff. You know, you only really know if you're in the biz, right, And it's it is interesting to me how many people don't understand like certain aspects of that of being a musician, of being an actress and an artist of any kind. It's really or even being a newscaster. I went to high school with a girl who I saw in the news a few years later, and she it's just a totally different persona. But it's obvious you have to sell something right you're on the news.

19:01 You can't be just like a hey, dude, like here's the you know, you know exactly to change it yourself a little bit, and just like you. You're a musician, so you know, part of that is you, but part of that is you're an entertainer on stage, playing on performance. Absolutely. It's like, why do people think that musicians that that's all they care about is music? I don't know. I don't get that either. It's I mean, don't get me wrong, I care about music a lot, but it's like and it consumes a lot of my life, but it's like there's so many other things I care about. I like my cats and gardening, and that's trying, and that you know, I'm psychology, like where I was talking about earlier. I like reading and all of these different things, and people kind of you know, they focus on on the band or whatever. But also back to your point about Taylor Moms, and it's like, I don't even really want to talk about an album that we put out nine years ago, even five years ago, you know, I want to talk about the new thing.

19:57 So I can't imagine being thrown back into something that you're totally disconnected from in every way, and people just wanting to harp on that because they think it'll get them clicks or views or listens or whatever. I that stuff is agonizing. I think my opinion has always been, which is why I do the interviews the way I do, is this is the ship part of being an artist. Why do I want to make it even shitty? Yeah? I appreciate that. Let's make it fun. Like the best compliment I ever get, which I get off and is oh, thanks dude, that was so much fun? Like when is pressed fun? Yeah? Rarely?

20:39 Right, exactly right, So, like, just realize that the artists are just normal people, you know, and like find out who that normal person. Yeah, absolutely, you know, yes, I think that that's a very important thing. I mean, even if you run into someone at a show, ask them something a little different, even if you're not conducting an interview, no doubt, because let me tell you how boring it gets, right. Don't get me wrong. I'm so grateful for every single person who listens to my band, who's at your show, comes up and says something to me. But at a certain point, a hundred people have told you in a line, one after another, that pretty much the same exact thing. It's like, let's let's spin this up so that I get a little entertainment out of it, you know, exact. You can only hear, oh my god, you're so cool a couple of times, believe me, and I love hearing about how cool.

21:27 I sometimes get a little nauseating. Yeah, like it before you get you're like, oh, it'd be cool for that to happen. Careful what you wish for? That is okay. There are so many things that fall under this bracket. Another one is that before I ever became like a full time touring musician, and I was just a musician on a local level, regional level, I told myself. I will remember every single person I ever meet. I can't believe that some of my friends I know, I lied. I was like, I can't believe that some of my friends can't remember these people who are fans. Of their bands. And then, oh my god, on a nightly basis now, I have people come up to me like, don't you remember when I met you five years ago at the merch table at the so and so show? And I'm like, oh, I don't. I totally don't. And I feel so bad about this. I try to be honest, honestly, but I feel so bad because you want.

22:22 Everyone like I now understand that as a radio person doing these festivals. I do festivals pretty much every weekend. Oh yeah, the US, you go Europe. So I'm like on tour like you are, yes, And the shit just swirls in my head after a while. Yeah. Even artists that I know and I'm friendly with, Yeah, they'll come up to me if I'm in the crowd and I'm like, hey, what's up pipe man? And I'll be like, who the. Fuck heys that dude? I know? Oh that's right, that was Chris Motional. Fuck. Yeah, it's so hard. I mean full disclosure. I've been on tour with a guy. Granted he a shoot like a mask on stage. I went on tour with him for a full month and a half and then I saw him like three months later at NAM and he came up and was like, Hey, Chaney, what's up? And I was just like, do I know you? I literally said that out loud. I said out loud to this man, do I know you? And you can just see like the all everything, the blood la that one.

23:23 It was messed up. Yeah, it was messed up. I'm not kiving, but he wasn't a mask. He was dressed as a goblin the entire tour. And then I know who he was after, I mean, after I did some research. I mean, and I love those guys so much, and Joe, I know who you are now. It's been years and I always will feel bad for that, but we're friends. We're friends now, and I will never forget his face again ever, Joe, I will never forget you. You need that kind of trauma people sometimes it takes that. And I'll tell people that when they're in line. I'm like, man, if we went through something together at this merch table, or if we had an extensive conversation that I would remember, but hey, great job.

24:12 It's really hard to latch onto that. Musicians do understand, because there's times artists will come up to me at the next festival, well not the next one, but like a year later, and hey, what's up, dude, are we going to talk? And I'm like they can tell like that you like, it's just all swirling due and they're like they're like I get it. They're like I get it, like swirl in my head too. Absolutely, last festival I did be and this artist that our friendly we were still trying to figure out the last time we did an interview, and neither one of us could figure out which festival We just knew it happened. We didn't know. What these things happened constantly and not. This brings me to another interesting thing about being a musician. It's like, you know, playing a show or playing a festival, well, that is such an important thing in a person's life.

25:03 Who is in attendance. Yes, when you do stuff like this all the time, everything starts to swirl around in your head. You forget, oh my god, this fest. I totally forgot about that festival because it's like they all get mixed up a little bit. Unless something crazy happens at the show, then it's hard to separate all these things. Well, do you mean something like where you're at a festival, You got the festival dust, it's hot and humid, and then you're breathing in smoke as you're strength. Yeah, and as a vocalist, that'll be so fun for me. Jesus, I can already feel my I can already feel myself losing a little bit of a. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes.

25:44 I feel bad for you. Like I was asking Maddie from Memphis Mayfar, I'm like, how are you going to sing this shit? Yeah? It's like like I always wonder how you are toss sing in uh with the festival dust alone. Yeah, this is way worse. Yeah, this is worse. It's you know what, It's a maneuvering act, and it's just I have to deal with things every day. Sometimes my hair get last Actually, last night last night, my hair didn't get caught in my throat. Sometimes that does happen as someone who has her hair down a lot on stage. Last night, the stage was so humid, then I like couldn't breathe at certain points. So it's I always try to make a point to I mean, I stay on time, but I will skip a phrase sometimes you just have to like deal with the punches as they come. That's that, that's a part of it.

26:38 As an artist, you're the most criticle of yourself and most of the people in the crowd don't even know when you mess up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the beauty of it. Yeah that is, you know, Yeah, it's it's all about just dealing with it, you know, rolling with what comes. Just like today, dealing with effect of your set time get change. I know it changed to buy an hour and a half, and you know what sucks. Now we're playing. So we're on tour with a band called Ginger right now, and a band called Ginger. A band called Ginger. They're a band called Ginger, but we're on tour with them right now, and I wanted to catch their set because they're, you know, our homies. But now our set is there.

27:20 They go on like I think ten minutes before our set ends, and man, Ginger, I love you guys, but I'm skipping you all to go take a shower. Right It's Dusty. Yeah you're gonna dusty. Yeah, yeah, I know. But that's what happens with the set times changing and everything. It's just you just roll with it. You're never gonna do what you want to do. Everything, every dream in your life will come true, but never the way that you imagine it. I was laughing because Liz emailed me like ten times today changing the interview times, and I'm like, I get it because I do these all the time. Yeah, that shit happens. We get evacuated all the time. From oh yeah, I know.

28:00 I mean a couple of years ago, I remember like Louder than Life getting canceled halfway through the weekend because there was that Yeah. We got uh we got evacuated three out of four days of Rockville this year. Jesus for one. It's freaking Florida in the hurricane season, right, thunderstorm right. Like. One of the interviews I did to do was the funniest ever though, because they were psycho stick you know that. Oh yeah, of course beer is good, Beer is good, Beer is good and stuff. I wasn't that whole down album. They came over with the Code Red and they just started on purpose freaking out yeah. Yeah, we just kept going.

28:44 We're not going, We're not going. We kept them. The interview felt anyway. So is there any final words you want to give our. Listeners, any final things I want to say. Here's what I want to say. We put out a brand new song today. It's called Golden Crown. We are putting out a new album on October twenty third. It's called Empty on the Inside. I'm go and check that stuff out. It would mean the world to me. You need to wear a golden crown on it. I know, I know I should. I'm more into black though, that's kind of my color. Yeah, you can probably tell that what I want a little bit, a little bit. There we go. This is metal.

29:24 It is, Yeah, it is, you know, And you know what. We never any picture I look out of myself. Fifty years from now, I'm gonna be like, damn, I was stylish then, I'm stylish now. This stuff is not gonna age out. That's right. There we go. That's right. You're especially female, You're always gonna look good in black. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Well you rock, you rock, your music rocks. Eh. I hope you survive incursery. Yeah, I hope you do. Too, here's surviving. That's it, and thanks for being on the interesting. Thanks thanks for having Me, Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Tatement on w for CUI Radio.