July 28, 2026

Entheos Performs at Inkcarceration 2026 at Shawshank Prison - PipemanRadio Interview

Entheos Performs at Inkcarceration 2026 at Shawshank Prison - PipemanRadio Interview
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The conversation focused on unique experiences in the music industry, from playing festivals in unusual locations like historic prisons to navigating the challenges of press and public life as an artist. One concept discussed was the intersection of personal identity and performance persona, as well as the ways musicians cope with the demands of fandom and the repetitive nature of interviews. The discussion explored paranormal stories, the philosophy of neutrality and people-pleasing, and the realities of life on tour.Main Topics Covered
  • Performing at historic, haunted venues and music festivals
  • Supernatural and paranormal experiences, including haunted prisons and houses
  • The psychology behind people-pleasing and neutrality, especially among Libras
  • Experiences with press and media as artists
  • The realities of touring: forgetfulness, festival dust, schedule changes, and coping as a vocalist
  • The distinction between an artist’s stage persona and personal life
  • Fandom, artist-fan interactions, and the challenges of remembering individual fans
  • Announcements of new music releases
Key Discussions & Stories
  • Several points were raised about performing at the Incarceration festival held at a former prison, including ghost stories and haunted buildings 00:19.
  • The Axe Murder House in Villisca and the weight and atmosphere of places with dark histories 03:37.
  • A story involving the Anne Frank House and the strong, “dark energy” experienced on a visit 04:44.
  • Reflections on personal experiences with the occult, hauntings, and psychic relatives 05:53.
  • A key theme that emerged was the struggle between being balanced and decisive as Libras, as well as the “toxic trait” of neutrality and people-pleasing 08:36.
  • Insights into the pressure artists face when asked repetitive or irrelevant interview questions, such as being asked about acting roles years after the fact 13:26.
  • The discussion explored how musicians and radio personalities often play roles or personas that differ from their private selves 17:56.
  • Stories about the difficulty of remembering fans and even fellow performers after years of touring and hundreds of interactions 21:54.
  • Practical hurdles of festival life: changing set times, poor air quality, performing through dust and humidity, and missing fellow bands’ sets for necessary self-care 25:04.
  • Emphasis on the importance of flexibility and not letting unforeseen circumstances derail the joy of performing 27:31.
Notable Quotes
  • “Everything, every dream in your life will come true, but never the way that you imagine it.” 27:40
  • “The artist is the most critical of themselves, and most of the people in the crowd don’t even know when you mess up.” 26:37
  • “As long as you’re not intentionally hurting anybody, and it makes you a better person, you do you.” 11:04
  • “People are that stupid. I just have to say, they are. As a radio personality, I play a role.” 17:56
  • “You can only hear, ‘oh my God, you’re so cool,’ a couple of times, believe me.” 21:19
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • New Single: “Golden Crown,” released today 28:59
  • Upcoming Album: Empty on the Inside releasing October 23rd 29:07
  • Band on Tour: Mention of tour with Jinjer 27:07
Additional Notes
  • The conversation highlighted the often-overlooked human side of artists, advocating for more thoughtful, genuine interactions.
  • For more information and to check out the new releases, follow Entheos on streaming platforms and social media.


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This is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man

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W four c Y Radio, and I'm here.

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With Cheney a crab apentheos.

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Nice here at incarceration.

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Yeah.

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Well you had to go to prison to get your

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mus I.

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Know, right, Well, a lot of people always thought I'd

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end up here, but not in this way.

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It's funny because when I was leaving, well not even

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when I was just leaving, but the whole week I

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just kept posting on my Facebook just oh, I can't wait.

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I'm going to.

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Prison, going and here we are on the outside of it. Right,

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it's like a really cool building. I think there are

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ghost tours going on.

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I don't want to go. Let's talk about that. You

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don't get to go.

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I don't think I get to go to the ghosts

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Like I'm busy all day.

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You know, you gotta go. I want to.

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I know.

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I don't want to take anything like out with me,

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any spirits away with me.

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Well there's a story behind that too, So glad you

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said that. Yeah, because we have the Blood Prison, which

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is the haunted thing. Yeah, with characters, but the prison

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really is haunted.

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Yeah, I mean, I believe I've seen parent paranormal shows.

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It's usually out of prison, so.

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Check this out. The first time I did this festival

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several years ago, I was interviewing Whalen Reeves from a

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killer's confession and previously mushroom Head. Yeah, and he was

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telling me he filmed the video in the torture room here.

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There was a torture room. No, and he was by

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himself in there, and he came out and his chest

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was all scratched up in blood.

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He is lying, There's no way.

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I know right, I wasn't there.

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But that's the thing.

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If you are a convincing person like I feel like,

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and you're you know, if you're a convincing person, you

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could get someone to believe that story. I want to

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see the scratches, That's all I'm saying. I was like,

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I need the pictures now. Some things happened in my life,

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but not scratches. But I have experience.

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What have you seen? Tell me?

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So? First of all, when I was in high school,

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I lived in Agora, California, and at the time, it

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wasn't built up. It was just a questrian It was

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like not what it is now, which is very popular,

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and I left for three years before I came back

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and visited and my town they had built all these

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multimillion dollar homes where there was a park. Yeah yeah,

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and one home was fenced around, boarded up, and there

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in the middle.

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Of these okay, and scary a little bit.

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So my curiosity has the best of me, and I'm

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looking and I'm standing there, and I just heard a

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noise and something made me say myself, step back, and

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I did, and one of the boards fell down right

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where I was standing. Oh my god, I'm out. Okay, yeah, gone, listen.

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I did play with the occult when I was a

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teenager or okay, and because of that, I do not

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play with the occult any meanings.

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Yeah, I would never do that. I don't have experiences

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like this, but I've been.

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I'm from des Moines, Iowa.

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And there outside of Des Moines, we have this town

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called Valliska that has a very very well known axe

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murder house where a man in the nineteen twenties snuck

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in they think, by train to these people's house, killed

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them all with an axe, and a guy bought the

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house and it's a museum now. So I went into

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the house, and I hadn't really had any parent experiences

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before that, but going inside of that axe murder house

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seeing pictures that he had, like he would draw circles

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on a like dresser tops and put marbles in the

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circles and they would stay there. But you would come

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back after going upstairs through the entire house and come

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back and the marbles would be moved and.

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Things like that.

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But you could just overall feel a weight where it's

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like something nefarious has happened inside of this house. And

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that's like the closest to paranormal that I've experienced. I

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haven't had any weird like, oh, I've had plenty of Yeah. Really, Okay,

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so I feel like, do you think that you what

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hold on?

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Okay?

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Go with this?

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What is it? Okay? So if you go to the

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An Frank house, now, yeah, the attic where she was

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has a plexiglass thing. You can't go up there. You

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can just look up there.

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But when I went the first time, you could go

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up there.

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Oh wow.

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And at the time I was married, my wife and

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I were climbing up the stairs. She went up. I

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got because I have very strong spiritual energy. I got

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halfway up I'm like, and I don't get scared. I

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just said, no, I'm not. Like energy was so dark. Really,

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it was like, and I don't scare by darkness, but this, yeah,

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it was so dark that I was like, I'm going

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back down.

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You could go up if you want, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I don't.

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I'm with you, like, I don't.

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I guess that you're saying that you'll go inside of

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it and if it gets too bad, you'll leave.

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But I just don't really watch like this.

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I think I think it's a museum. So I didn't think.

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Anything of yeah, of course, yeah, yeah right.

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I'm like, yeah, it's just a museum.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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I've had other experiences, like I've had good experiences, like

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my grandparents. Uh, my grandmother's sister was known as like

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one of the most renowned psychics in the world, and

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she's she's buried right next to my grandparents. And one

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night I was with my kids, my sister in law,

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my niece, and we were going to see my grandparents,

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you know grave, because I would always every time I

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was in the air, it happened to be night this time.

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I go up to a gate where you drive in,

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and the gate was closed, So I went up the block,

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I parked, you know, and then I walked down because

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I was just gonna walk in, and I left everybody

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in the vehicle. The gate was open and I was locked,

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chained up, lock and I went back to the vehicle

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and I'm like, was that gate open or closed? When

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they all said close? So it wasn't me. I was

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checking out, wasn't may I haven't.

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Seen sometimes I'm sorry, you know.

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And then it was a very still night, no wind, nothing.

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We drive up and while they stay in the vehicle,

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I walk up to my grandparents grave where my great

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anids too, and all of a sudden, all the leaves

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start swirling around their stone tombstones, but there's no wind.

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Yeah, that's okay.

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I'm like, are you making this up to God? You

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just never like there's only I'm also somebody. I'm scientific,

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so there's like some yeah, explanation.

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Yeah, of course, I'm just a person who I'm into balance.

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I'm into neutrality, and that's why I can see both

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ways of things, Like I.

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Do, are you a Libra because I'm a total lamb libra.

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That is a great guess. My friend, my birthday is

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September thirtieth, mine's October eleventh.

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There we go.

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Yeah, that's why I know the same way I hate extremes. Yeah, like, well,

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like crap that's going on in the world too extreme

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for me, extreme for me? Like, yeah, let's in the middle.

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I agree.

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I mean that's I have this uncannyability that I can

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see both sides of every situation to even getting divorced,

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even though other people think differently. The person that got

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hurt the most, I'm like, well, I could see her.

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Side, of course, yeah, you.

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Know, And I don't have to agree, right, but I

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can see it, you know, And I understand.

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That's exactly how I am in everything and every relationship

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and every scenario, just you know, planning things. I can

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see how something, why something would work better one way,

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and why it would work better the other way. It's

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and sometimes that works against us libras, because it makes

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us a little I don't know, I feel like she's

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decisive exactly. It makes us a little indecisive. But at

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the end of the day, I do think that there

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is something, you know, I don't know if it's associated

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with Libra or whatever, but my heart kind of there's

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something that not in every situation when making decisions, though,

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there's something that will stand out a little more to me.

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But yeah, it is the ultimate. That's kind of a

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I would.

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Say, my my toxic trait is my new charity, you

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know what, and a lot of.

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See I don't view that part as toxic. I find

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the people please lib for me is tough.

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Yes, that's true. I'm also a people pleaser. Pleaser.

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I have been in seclusion and not even dated because

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I'm trying to get that ship under control.

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Yeah really, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

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That's something that I've honestly been able to let go

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of more and more in my life. And I think

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it has come with like a role in a band

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and a role in having to here you go. You know,

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when you're in a band, you have to sometimes hire people,

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you have to you have to deal with things that

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a lot of people don't think you're or know that

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you deal with that are outside of art and making decisions,

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and you.

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Kind of have to stand up for yourself in a

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lot of ways.

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And that has made me more secure in my decisions

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like that and not being as much of a people pleaser.

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But that's just in a business sense. In my everyday

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life and my friendships and my my familial relationships, I'm

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very much a people please.

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Well see we're the same too. Why it comes to business,

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I'm not as much.

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Of a peace yeah, because it's business.

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It's business. Yeah, but you've probably experiences too. The thing

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that sucks about it is when you try the better yourself,

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all those people in your life, they don't want you

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to stop being a people pleaser because it does not

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serve them.

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Well, that's very true, very true, and people the people

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will kind of look down on that, I would say,

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But you know, at the end of the day, I

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think that if you are a focus, like if you're

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a focused individual, you know that no matter what other people,

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no matter what their opinions are of you or what

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you're doing, you just have to make the correct decisions

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for yourself.

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And it's hard. It's hard, especially for.

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Us, especially for those of us who and I don't

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want to make everyone happy.

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And I have that philosophy of like, even with all

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the things that people argue about nowadays, like you do

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you as long as you're not intentionally hurting anybody and

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you it makes you a better person. You do you?

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It doesn't have to be what I do.

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That's exactly how I feel.

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I mean, I even feel like that even if it

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doesn't make you a better person, if if it's not

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affecting other people, well that's yeah, exactly, it's I mean,

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I just I prefer to stay out of other people's things.

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You know I have.

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You don't know their story, you don't know what their

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deal is, you don't know why they think they do.

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No, you don't.

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I have a brother that if anybody disagrees with his opinion,

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they're uneducated and uninformed. And I always answer them like,

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or do it just like that? Or yeah, they were

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brought up a different place than you had, different friends

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than you had, a different career than you had, different upbringing,

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and a million other variables that make them feel the

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way they do right.

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And it always is interesting to me how some people

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can't put you into together with that that life is

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and what who a person becomes is kind of is

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a lot of things stacked on top of each other,

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and it starts from the moment you're born.

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You know, I'm always.

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I've always been very into psychology before I stopped going

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to college full time to pursue a band and be

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a musician.

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I was studying. I was studying philosophy and psychology.

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So I always when I interact with the human and

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start to understand things about them, I always go back

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to those psychological aspects.

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What was there?

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You know, how were they raised? You know, just certain situations,

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reread certain people. Everyone's kind of a product of the

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environment that they've grown up and the experience and the experience.

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And we agree again too, because like I was a

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year away from a PhD in psychology, Oh wow, and

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I didn't finish there we go all the knowledge I need,

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I don't need the piece.

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I know I feel. I feel the same way.

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And I've been a superstar salesperson, sin some of a

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kid and that psychology. Yeah, I tell somebody, unless you

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know how to pay attention, read them and read their

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facial movements or body movements. And oh it's true. In interviews, like,

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no two interviews I do are ever the same. You

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notice I don't have a script. Let the interview take

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a life of its own. Like if you asked me

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what the interview was going to be like before this,

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I wouldn't have said this.

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Yeah, I mean me either, I had no idea, and

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I enjoy just coming from someone. I do a lot

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of interviews, and when interviews are predetermined and it's just

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based on question question, they are so boring to do

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over and over again. I'm sure you can relate to this.

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It's like I don't want to talk about these dumb

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things anymore. Like I get asked the same questions constantly.

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Where's the band's name from?

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What's this?

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Who cares about?

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No one cares?

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And who no one cares?

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You know, no one cares? I mean, don't you feel

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like this?

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It's like when you're listening to when you're finding out

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about new people, when you're hearing about a new artist.

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When it comes to things like this, I would rather

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hear about them. I want to know where they come from.

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I don't care about these like arbitrary the art things

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I can find out on my own. And I think there's.

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Something I want to find out, what the artist is passionate.

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Exactly?

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You know, And it blows my mind what press people don't.

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Ask I I mean too, you know.

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And then sometimes you know, I feel bad for artists

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because I'll sit in the press area and I'll listen

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to other press people doing interviews. I'm like sitting myself

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saying if I was the artists, I'd be slitting my

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throat right now.

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I know. Yeah, honestly I felt like that before.

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An I always come from the frame of mind that

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I also like when people like don't know that much

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about me. They don't because some people just go in

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and study every single thing about you, and it's like

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they pick out that.

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It's some people.

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I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but people

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will now go on Twitter or like any social media

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site and see up dumb posts that that you made

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from like a year ago and ask you about that post.

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It's like, so, how do you I mean? This is

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an example.

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One time I made a post about tuna on pizza

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in Europe, which is awful.

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I'm from New York and New Jersey and I'm Italian Jew.

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That's sacrilegious and who's married to a Jew? Yeah, so

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it's sacrilegious to put tuna onzaun.

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And corn onia in Europe and they will send this

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to you for catering sometimes as if any American people

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want this ship.

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I don't think no.

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One wants that, but I made a post about it

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like two years before an interview that I did, and

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then they asked me.

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About that post. I'm like, oh my god, I'll.

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Go yeah further. Okay, So and to your point of

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what you're saying about, you were doing interviews. So I

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got friendly with Taylor Momson because of my first interview

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I ever had with her, because I didn't ask her

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anything about when the Grinch the Grinch or better yet,

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gossip Girl. Oh yeah, I never even watched gossip I.

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Have never watched Gossip Girl, and I'm a millennial. It

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should be right up my alley. It just was like, nah,

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I've never.

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Watched it, so I only knew Taylor the musician. Yeah,

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so I didn't want to go there now, mind you.

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That first interview was nine years after she was off

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of Gossip Girl. Okay. I did know that she chose

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to leave that as a star. She was big to

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go after music because that was her passion, which I

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have mad respect for. But we started talking afterwards and

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she's like, it's so tiring. Everybody keeps me about Gossip

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Girl and interviews at this festival there and she's like,

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that was nine years ago. I was a kid, you know, like,

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and I don't get it. Why do you want to

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ask about that? Like, it's already been done a million

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times and nobody cares.

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No one cares, And she obviously.

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Is not going to give you a good interview because

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she left it for a reason some common sense, right, Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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So what I did is, after that first time interviewing her,

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I binge watched Gossip Girl because I knew the real

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tailor and I wanted to see why she felt the

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way she did. Yeah, it was my research.

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So what conclusion did you come to?

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I totally get it. Yeah, because the character she plays

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on that show is one not her.

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Yeah, it's a role. She's an actress. Actress, people are

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that stupid.

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I just have to say radio personality, I play a role.

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Yeah.

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Like, and I could tell you some stories that would

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blow your mind, I'm sure, but people like think, even

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the ones that know you their whole life, you know,

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like when shock Jock Bee comes out. I have women

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I've known my whole life that were like, oh my god,

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what happened to you? You used to be such a

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nice guy. I'm like, I'm playing a role.

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Yeah, different people don't really understand that. Yeah, yeah, people

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don't get it. I mean, it's kind of like inside

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baseball and stuff. You know, you only really know if

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you're in the biz, right, And it's it is interesting

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to me how many people don't understand like certain aspects

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of that of being a musician, of being an actress

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and an artist of any kind. It's really or even

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being a newscaster. I went to high school with a

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girl who I saw in the news a few years later,

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and she it's just a totally different persona. But it's

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obvious you have to sell something right you're on the news.

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You can't be just like a hey, dude, like here's

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the you know, you know exactly to change it yourself

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a little bit, and just like you.

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You're a musician, so you know, part of that is you,

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but part of that is you're an entertainer on stage,

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playing on performance.

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Absolutely.

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It's like, why do people think that musicians that that's

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all they care about is music? I don't know.

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I don't get that either.

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It's I mean, don't get me wrong, I care about

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music a lot, but it's like and it consumes a

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lot of my life, but it's like there's so many

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other things I care about. I like my cats and gardening,

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and that's trying, and that you know, I'm psychology, like

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where I was talking about earlier. I like reading and

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all of these different things, and people kind of you know,

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they focus on on the band or whatever. But also

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back to your point about Taylor Moms, and it's like,

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I don't even really want to talk about an album

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that we put out nine years ago, even five years ago,

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you know, I want to talk about the new thing.

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So I can't imagine being thrown back into something that

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you're totally disconnected from in every way, and people just

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wanting to harp on that because they think it'll get

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them clicks or views or listens or whatever. I that

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stuff is agonizing.

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I think my opinion has always been, which is why

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I do the interviews the way I do, is this

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is the ship part of being an artist. Why do

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I want to make it even shitty? Yeah?

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I appreciate that.

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Let's make it fun. Like the best compliment I ever get,

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which I get off and is oh, thanks dude, that

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was so much fun? Like when is pressed fun?

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Yeah? Rarely?

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Right, exactly right, So, like, just realize that the artists

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are just normal people, you know, and like find out

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who that normal person.

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Yeah, absolutely, you know, yes, I think that that's a

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very important thing. I mean, even if you run into

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someone at a show, ask them something a little different,

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even if you're not conducting an interview, no doubt, because

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let me tell you how boring it gets, right.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I'm so grateful for every single person who listens to

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my band, who's at your show, comes up and says

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something to me. But at a certain point, a hundred

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people have told you in a line, one after another,

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that pretty much the same exact thing. It's like, let's

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let's spin this up so that I get a little

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entertainment out of it, you know, exact. You can only hear,

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oh my god, you're so cool a couple of times,

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believe me, and I love hearing about how cool.

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I sometimes get a little nauseating. Yeah, like it before

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you get you're like, oh, it'd be cool for that

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to happen. Careful what you wish for?

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That is okay.

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There are so many things that fall under this bracket.

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Another one is that before I ever became like a

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full time touring musician, and I was just a musician

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on a local level, regional level, I told myself. I

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will remember every single person I ever meet. I can't

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believe that some of my friends I know, I lied.

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I was like, I can't believe that some of my

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friends can't remember these people who are fans.

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Of their bands.

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And then, oh my god, on a nightly basis now,

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I have people come up to me like, don't you

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remember when I met you five years ago at the

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merch table at the so and so show? And I'm like, oh,

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I don't. I totally don't. And I feel so bad

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about this. I try to be honest, honestly, but I

457
00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:21.759
feel so bad because you want.

458
00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.359
Everyone like I now understand that as a radio person

459
00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.319
doing these festivals. I do festivals pretty much every weekend.

460
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.400
Oh yeah, the US, you go Europe. So I'm like

461
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.720
on tour like you are, yes, And the shit just

462
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.960
swirls in my head after a while. Yeah. Even artists

463
00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.720
that I know and I'm friendly with, Yeah, they'll come

464
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:44.839
up to me if I'm in the crowd and I'm like, hey,

465
00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:47.359
what's up pipe man? And I'll be like, who the.

466
00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:48.799
Fuck heys that dude?

467
00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.640
I know? Oh that's right, that was Chris Motional.

468
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:53.920
Fuck.

469
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:57.680
Yeah, it's so hard. I mean full disclosure. I've been

470
00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:01.319
on tour with a guy. Granted he a shoot like

471
00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.200
a mask on stage. I went on tour with him

472
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.000
for a full month and a half and then I

473
00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:09.240
saw him like three months later at NAM and he

474
00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:11.799
came up and was like, Hey, Chaney, what's up? And

475
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.279
I was just like, do I know you? I literally

476
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:16.880
said that out loud. I said out loud to this man,

477
00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.240
do I know you? And you can just see like

478
00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:23.440
the all everything, the blood la that one.

479
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:24.680
It was messed up.

480
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:26.240
Yeah, it was messed up.

481
00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.759
I'm not kiving, but he wasn't a mask. He was

482
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:31.880
dressed as a goblin the entire tour. And then I

483
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.000
know who he was after, I mean, after I did

484
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:42.160
some research. I mean, and I love those guys so much,

485
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:45.319
and Joe, I know who you are now. It's been

486
00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.079
years and I always will feel bad for that, but

487
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.079
we're friends. We're friends now, and I will never forget

488
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:55.319
his face again ever, Joe, I will never forget you.

489
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.200
You need that kind of trauma people sometimes it takes that.

490
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:01.480
And I'll tell people that when they're in line.

491
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.759
I'm like, man, if we went through something together at

492
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.039
this merch table, or if we had an extensive conversation

493
00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:11.400
that I would remember, but hey, great job.

494
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.839
It's really hard to latch onto that.

495
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.519
Musicians do understand, because there's times artists will come up

496
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:19.799
to me at the next festival, well not the next one,

497
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.000
but like a year later, and hey, what's up, dude,

498
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.680
are we going to talk? And I'm like they can

499
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:30.240
tell like that you like, it's just all swirling due

500
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:34.200
and they're like they're like I get it. They're like

501
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.200
I get it, like swirl in my head too. Absolutely,

502
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.440
last festival I did be and this artist that our

503
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.759
friendly we were still trying to figure out the last

504
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.960
time we did an interview, and neither one of us

505
00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.519
could figure out which festival We just knew it happened.

506
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:51.319
We didn't know.

507
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:55.240
What these things happened constantly and not. This brings me

508
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.519
to another interesting thing about being a musician. It's like,

509
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.279
you know, playing a show or playing a festival, well,

510
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.279
that is such an important thing in a person's life.

511
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:06.920
Who is in attendance. Yes, when you do stuff like

512
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.960
this all the time, everything starts to swirl around in

513
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.960
your head. You forget, oh my god, this fest. I

514
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.799
totally forgot about that festival because it's like they all

515
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.640
get mixed up a little bit. Unless something crazy happens

516
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.880
at the show, then it's hard to separate all these things.

517
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.920
Well, do you mean something like where you're at a festival,

518
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.119
You got the festival dust, it's hot and humid, and

519
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:32.319
then you're breathing in smoke as you're strength.

520
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.119
Yeah, and as a vocalist, that'll be so fun for me.

521
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:38.960
Jesus, I can already feel my I can already feel

522
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.720
myself losing a little bit of a.

523
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.119
We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes.

524
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.359
I feel bad for you. Like I was asking Maddie

525
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:50.200
from Memphis Mayfar, I'm like, how are you going to

526
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.240
sing this shit?

527
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:51.960
Yeah?

528
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.880
It's like like I always wonder how you are toss

529
00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:00.279
sing in uh with the festival dust alone. Yeah, this

530
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:01.200
is way worse.

531
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:02.119
Yeah, this is worse.

532
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.839
It's you know what, It's a maneuvering act, and it's

533
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:08.720
just I have to deal with things every day. Sometimes

534
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.039
my hair get last Actually, last night last night, my

535
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.200
hair didn't get caught in my throat. Sometimes that does

536
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.119
happen as someone who has her hair down a lot

537
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.000
on stage. Last night, the stage was so humid, then

538
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:24.400
I like couldn't breathe at certain points. So it's I

539
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.319
always try to make a point to I mean, I

540
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:32.319
stay on time, but I will skip a phrase sometimes

541
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.160
you just have to like deal with the punches as

542
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.559
they come. That's that, that's a part of it.

543
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.599
As an artist, you're the most criticle of yourself and

544
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.200
most of the people in the crowd don't even know

545
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:46.759
when you mess up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the beauty

546
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:46.960
of it.

547
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.119
Yeah that is, you know, Yeah, it's it's all about

548
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.839
just dealing with it, you know, rolling with what comes.

549
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:58.400
Just like today, dealing with effect of your set time

550
00:26:58.440 --> 00:26:59.200
get change.

551
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:01.039
I know it changed to buy an hour and a half,

552
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.039
and you know what sucks. Now we're playing. So we're

553
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.559
on tour with a band called Ginger right now, and

554
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:08.119
a band called Ginger.

555
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:09.279
A band called Ginger.

556
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.759
They're a band called Ginger, but we're on tour with

557
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.279
them right now, and I wanted to catch their set

558
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.279
because they're, you know, our homies.

559
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:20.680
But now our set is there.

560
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.440
They go on like I think ten minutes before our

561
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.880
set ends, and man, Ginger, I love you guys, but

562
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:28.720
I'm skipping you all to go take a shower.

563
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:30.119
Right It's Dusty.

564
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:31.880
Yeah you're gonna dusty.

565
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:32.960
Yeah, yeah, I know.

566
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.079
But that's what happens with the set times changing and everything.

567
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.599
It's just you just roll with it. You're never gonna

568
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.160
do what you want to do. Everything, every dream in

569
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:44.839
your life will come true, but never the way that

570
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:45.680
you imagine it.

571
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.160
I was laughing because Liz emailed me like ten times

572
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:54.279
today changing the interview times, and I'm like, I get

573
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:55.920
it because I do these all the time.

574
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:57.720
Yeah, that shit happens.

575
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.440
We get evacuated all the time. From oh yeah, I know.

576
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.599
I mean a couple of years ago, I remember like

577
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.079
Louder than Life getting canceled halfway through the weekend because

578
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.440
there was that Yeah.

579
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.519
We got uh we got evacuated three out of four

580
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.039
days of Rockville this year.

581
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:14.119
Jesus for one.

582
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:21.839
It's freaking Florida in the hurricane season, right, thunderstorm right. Like.

583
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.000
One of the interviews I did to do was the

584
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.279
funniest ever though, because they were psycho stick you know that.

585
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:30.960
Oh yeah, of course beer is good, Beer is good,

586
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:32.480
Beer is good and stuff.

587
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.039
I wasn't that whole down album.

588
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.400
They came over with the Code Red and they just

589
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:44.559
started on purpose freaking out yeah. Yeah, we just kept going.

590
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:49.039
We're not going, We're not going. We kept them. The

591
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.640
interview felt anyway. So is there any final words you

592
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:54.400
want to give our.

593
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:59.119
Listeners, any final things I want to say. Here's what

594
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.680
I want to say. We put out a brand new

595
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.599
song today. It's called Golden Crown. We are putting out

596
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.759
a new album on October twenty third. It's called Empty

597
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.559
on the Inside. I'm go and check that stuff out.

598
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:11.839
It would mean the world to me.

599
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.960
You need to wear a golden crown on it.

600
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.200
I know, I know I should. I'm more into black though,

601
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.160
that's kind of my color.

602
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.000
Yeah, you can probably tell that what I want a

603
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.279
little bit, a little bit.

604
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:23.799
There we go.

605
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:24.720
This is metal.

606
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.039
It is, Yeah, it is, you know, And you know what.

607
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.559
We never any picture I look out of myself.

608
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.480
Fifty years from now, I'm gonna be like, damn, I

609
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.680
was stylish then, I'm stylish now.

610
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.519
This stuff is not gonna age out.

611
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:37.440
That's right.

612
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:38.079
There we go.

613
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:42.000
That's right. You're especially female, You're always gonna look good

614
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.400
in black.

615
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.279
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

616
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.920
Well you rock, you rock, your music rocks.

617
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:48.079
Eh.

618
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.440
I hope you survive incursery.

619
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.319
Yeah, I hope you do. Too, here's surviving.

620
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:55.720
That's it, and thanks for being on the interesting.

621
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:56.799
Thanks thanks for having

622
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:03.160
Me, Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Tatement

623
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.240
on w for CUI Radio.