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Across Canada and Genres Andrew on Metaladian’s Debut Album and Band Evolution

Across Canada and Genres Andrew on Metaladian’s Debut Album and Band Evolution
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In this episode of The Adventures of Pipeman on W4CY Radio, Pipeman interviews Andrew from Metaladian, delving into the band's origins, creative process, and the personal stories behind their music. The conversation covers everything from Canadian metal roots to the technical side of metal music, generational influences, the cathartic nature of songwriting, and the darker sides of music and life experiences. The episode also features insights into Metaladian’s new album, multi-vocal approach, and the importance of authenticity in heavy music.Main Topics Covered

  • The Origins of Metaladian
    • Andrew's Canadian roots and musical journey
    • Moving across Canada and early exposure to metal
    • Jamming and early influences with his brother
  • Metaladian’s Musical Evolution
    • From teenage jams to classical guitar studies
    • Blending classical training with metal aggression
    • The collaborative writing process with band members
  • The Craft and Community of Metal
    • The misunderstood complexity and musicianship in metal
    • Generational differences and influences in the band
    • The role of experimentation and unique sounds in metal’s history
  • Technique & Practice
    • The challenge of learning instruments as lefties
    • The dedication and practice required in mastering instruments
    • Incorporating diversity and multi-instrumentalism
  • Album Deep Dive
    • Structure and themes of Metaladian’s debut album
    • Using personal and collective trauma as catharsis
    • Breakdown of album acts and the narrative behind each
  • Vocal Styles and Multi-Vocal Approach
    • The power and depth brought by multiple vocalists
    • Comparisons to bands like Origin, Spiritbox, and Jinjer
    • Discussion on vocal technique and the evolution within metal
  • Life’s Lessons and Overcoming Adversity
    • Stories of escaping toxic environments and cult-like figures
    • Channeling life challenges into creative output
    • The positive impact of teaching music and inspiring others
  • Resources and Connectivity
    • Where to find Metaladian’s music, merch, and social media
Key Discussions & Stories
  • Early Metal Days & Moving Around
    Andrew discusses his Ottawa birth, cross-country upbringing, and how family and travel influenced his music (01:04–01:17).
    Pipeman shares his journey from New Jersey to California and falling into the thriving LA metal scene of the '80s (01:29–01:58).
  • Musical Beginnings and Influences
    The brothers’ early jams, diving into AC/DC, Metallica, Megadeth, and the role of Much Music's Power Hour in discovering new bands (05:06–05:57).
    Nostalgia for seeing Metallica and Slayer's early shows and reflecting on scene evolution (06:00–06:47).
  • The Writing and Recording Process
    Developing a three-album arc, writing harmonies on classical guitar, and the influence of disciplined study (09:02–09:46).
    Bringing in younger bassist Dustin Smith for fresh energy (09:37).
  • Lefties in Music
    Both Andrew and Pipeman share their unique challenges and strategies as left-handed musicians (15:05–16:05), including adapting to right-handed instruments and developing ambidextrous skills.
  • Personal Story Behind the Album
    The cathartic process, themes of victimhood, depression, cults, and psychic confrontation (25:37–29:46).
    Using songwriting as a tool for healing and reclaiming emotions (32:04–32:19).
  • Teaching and the Value of Music
    Andrew's role as a music teacher, witnessing students' growth, and the universal benefits of learning music or art (32:31–33:05).
Notable Quotes
  • “Metal is a derivative of classical music anyway.” – Pipeman (10:54)
  • “It seemed to just grow from note to note, instead of riff to riff.” – Andrew (09:02)
  • “The faster you're able to play, the kind of better you are — at least as long as you’re doing it right.” – Pipeman (11:27)
  • "It's like a personal letter just to him and people like that." – Andrew referring to songwriting as catharsis (29:46)
  • “If you love what you do, it's not a job.” – Pipeman (33:13)
Resources & Links MentionedEpisode Highlights
  • The unique story and sound behind Metaladian, blending classical harmony and modern metal intensity
  • Reflections on how real-life adversity fuels musical creativity and catharsis
  • Insights into the technical mastery and generational collaboration within the band
  • An honest discussion on industry ethics, the impact of cult-like leaders, and the importance of authenticity in both music and life
  • Tips for listeners on where to find Metaladian’s new release, merch, and how to connect with the band online
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Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio.

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This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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Pipe Man W4CY Radio, and I'm excited about our next guest.

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They have some killer music. So let's welcome to the

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show Andrew from Medellin.

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How are you?

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Good.

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How are you doing? Oh, I'm doing good.

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You know, I love how when I was making sure

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I would say your name right before the interview, I

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was loving how you said Canadian metal head. Because that

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made sense, too. It kind of went along with it.

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Like I'm a metal Canadian altogether.

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Exactly. Well, I was born in Ottawa on the 1st

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of July as the fireworks were going off, supposedly.

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Really?

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Yeah. And I've lived from one side of the country

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to the other. So I was born in 74. So

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I lived in Halifax and Calgary, Edmonton. I was out

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on Vancouver Island for a while in Southern Ontario. Well,

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Hamilton for the last 15 years, I guess.

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You're kind of like me in the States.

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I was born in New York, grew up in Jersey

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until 1980 when my dad said, meet your new mother

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and pack your bags. We're moving to California in three days.

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Little did I know that would lead to us sitting

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here right now because I was in that.

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Whole 80s L.A. metal scene and Bay Area scene.

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That's great.

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That really was the beginning of my Like, I liked

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some metal before that, you know, like Sabbath, like the

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rest of us. But, you know, it wasn't until that

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scene that I really understood, because it was the beginning

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of it, too, 1980.

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Like, what a time, you know?

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And, oh, my God, it's been a lifestyle and a

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passion ever since. So I was originally pissed at my dad,

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but now I'm happy he did that.

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Oh, yeah. All happens for a reason.

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You know, and now I live in Florida. So Florida, California,

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and New Jersey, New York, they're all three different planets.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, as a kid, we'd take our vacations

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just driving through the states. We did that down to Florida,

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down California coast.

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Nice.

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I love the states, yeah.

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I remember back when I used to drive into Canada

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without a passport.

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Oh, yeah. Like, those were the days.

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Wow.

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I mean, like the idea that not have to use

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a passport for Mexico or Canada, I think we should

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bring that back like Europe is, you know?

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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And I actually, I love your country. I've been to

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different parts. I love Montreal. I was just up there

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for Warped Tour.

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Oh, yeah. And, you know, I used to be in

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the investment business.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I had a Canadian futures license.

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So I had to go to Toronto, actually study, take

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a class and take the test there. And I have

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to say your country is much more protective of consumers

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in the financial markets than mine is because our licenses here,

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we take, I call it multiple guests tests or multiple choice.

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And you could still pass maybe if you don't even

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know the information, but, What I had to take in

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Toronto was like essay and fill in the blank. Like

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if you didn't know your information, you didn't know the

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financial business or anything about it, there's no way you

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would pass.

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And I think that's the way it should be.

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Yeah. How long ago was that?

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Oh, you're talking like early 90s.

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Yeah. Okay. I wonder if it's still the same.

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Yeah, right?

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Because I know it's stricter here. So I gotta think

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it's stricter there, but you never know. Like with, with

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everything that ever goes on in all these years and

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political climates that change constantly, you know, exactly. Just like music,

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you know, music is constantly evolving and changing and.

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Either go with it or you die with it.

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And, uh, seems here you've gone with it because, uh,

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You've been playing this project together for this album.

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Like forever, you know?

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I guess it seems like it.

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So tell me a little bit about how it started

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and why it took all this time to get here.

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Well, I think my brother and I started jamming since

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we were like 12 and 14. I'm older. We both

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started on the drum kit, but after like six months,

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my brother moved to the guitar. And then we just

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started jamming ACDC and stuff like that. And then we

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got Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, you know, was it the Much

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Music had the power hour at the time?

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I used to love Much Music. I liked it better

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than MTV.

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favorite tunes and stuff and he sells, but who's buying?

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from Megadeth. That was before Metallica had the one video.

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So it was like this giant buildup to that, that album. So,

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but yeah, Testament, Exodus, Overkill, stuff like that. Uh, mid eighties, late,

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late eighties, somewhere in there.

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That's all my jam. I saw Metallica and Slayer's first

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show ever. In fact, I just saw Slayer the other

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day at Rock, Oklahoma.

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Oh, nice. Yeah. It never gets old. I've seen them

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like over a thousand times. It never gets old.

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I've seen them a few times. I saw them on

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the Clash of the Titans tour.

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Nice.

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I think that was my first real concert. So, Megadeth, Anthrax,

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Alice in Chains, first album. There was like 12 people

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in the stands for them.

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Right?

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And they blew up.

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Exactly. Exactly.

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And, you know, it is interesting how the Bay Area,

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the thrash scene... would do shows with Alice in Chains,

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and they so didn't fit. And it's almost like Alice

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in Chains and the rest of the grunge took over.

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That's true, yeah. Well, yeah, well, we just, I guess

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from before, I was just saying that, you know, we

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jam as teenagers, and then we fight, we jam, we fight,

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jam and fight. And then we kind of went our

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separate ways. And then my brother studied music in school.

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I guess we kind of floated around for a while

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until our mid-20s. My brother caught on first, but he

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went to Mohawk College for classical guitar. And I realized, oh,

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if he can do it, I can do it. So

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I really worked at playing guitar for a few years.

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And then I went and studied classical guitar. And then,

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you know, metal never goes away. I played guitar, but

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I was more of a drummer. But when I left home,

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I had nowhere to play. So I picked up guitar,

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I guess, and just wanted to play as fast as

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I could and had no idea what I was really doing.

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So until I sat down and learned classical music. And

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then I guess it was 28, I went to a

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four-year program, Mohawk College. And in my last couple of years,

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I really got into writing. And I guess it was

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more from my brother's influence and his wife, Ruth, who's

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also in the band. uh you know they're they're doctorates

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in music they went the whole way where i only

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took the four-year course so you know they're basically my

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teachers as far as writing and uh i just kind

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of mixed the two where you have i wrote all

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my harmonies and everything on the classical guitar and then

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i put all the punchier stuff underneath the chunky stuff

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uh roost more of the I guess the harmonies that

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she plays, she's always outlining the chords, like arpeggiating. And

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then all the other stuff seems to fit along with that.

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So it's more chromatic, I guess, in some ways. But

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there's some straightforward, basic, you know, hard-hitting grooves and stuff

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like that as well. But it seemed to just grow

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from note to note instead of riff to riff. So.

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Yeah, I think, yeah, I had the structure of it

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figured out. Like I got a three album structure figured

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out on the classical guitar, like as far as like

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a basic story of what I wanted. Somehow I could

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see it. So I just jotted it down and then

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just been picking apart through the years. And then the last,

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I guess, 10, 12 years, maybe my brother and his

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wife were back in town and we started jamming. And

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now it's, it's, It's like a machine now where they're

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over twice a week and we jam for two and

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a half, three hours each day. We've got a good

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bass player, Dustin Smith. He's stuck with us for the

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last 10 years. Nice. He's 16 years younger than me,

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so he brings some new life into the band. He's

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got a lot of passion and we always push each other.

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So i think that's cool too like when you bring

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somebody younger in the band i think it gives a

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different perspective that gives you more appeal to multi-generations then.

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Exactly yeah and he's introduced me to all sorts of

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new new metal like uh i guess adversarial comes to

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mind you know them toronto.

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Band I've heard of them, but I don't really know them,

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know them.

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I think of like the next step of like Morbid Angel.

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It's more, you know, it's gotten away from the over-produced

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sound and it's just straightforward, you know, like barbaric. They

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play as fast as they can and it's incredible stuff.

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I love it.

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Well, what I love about everything you're saying is that basically.

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you know, most people don't know.

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They think metal is just noise and bad musicians, people

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outside the community. And really metal is a derivative of

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classical music anyway.

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Yeah.

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And then death metal specifically, especially nowadays is some, there's

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some of the best musicians and they are trained musicians

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and very technical and, Opposed to, you know, the origination

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of metal of basically you didn't know what you were

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doing type of thing.

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Yeah. It just meshes together.

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Exactly.

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And I think, you know, it's funny because a lot

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of people outside metal wouldn't think like this, but I

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think the faster you're able to play, the kind of

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better you are, at least as long as you're doing

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it right. Like there's playing fast and like, being off

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key or whatever, but if you're, you know, you're a

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musician that knows what you're doing, like it's really hard

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to play that fast.

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It is.

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You have to be born with it in some way.

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No doubt. No doubt.

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Like I started on, I started on drums like you,

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I played drums for nine years, but I never really

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got good, but I didn't practice enough.

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I didn't do enough.

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And you know, the whole, rubbing your head while rubbing

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your stomach thing was kind of what comes to mind

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with drums because you really gotta be coronated and then

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i went to guitar okay and i have so much

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respect for guitarists because like just even doing scales like

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first of all i hated it second of all like.

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It was not easy. It's not even easy to play

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a chord.

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Even if you know the chord, like if you're off

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by a little bit, it's going to sound like crap.

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And I think until you actually do it for yourself,

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like so many people, they play air guitar, you know, and,

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but actually putting your fingers on there, you don't realize

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how hard it is to even just do a few chords.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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It takes a, you know, uh, a lot of time,

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you know, and practice dedication. Next thing you know, it

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just settles in like a language. I find.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'll never, sorry, go ahead.

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No, you go ahead.

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I was just going to say, I'll never be as

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good as any of these, the greats, you know, but

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I feel like I can put myself somewhere in the middle,

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you know, but I'm kind of trades too. So I,

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you know, drums, guitar, bass, I sing and I love

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to write. So, I think I get bored and I

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move around in a circle and then join it all together.

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So that makes sense. You see, you were smart because

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I think that's what happened to me. It's like, I

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remember Randy Rhodes was my idol. And then I found

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out he practiced like eight hours a day. And first,

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and first of all, I was like, I probably don't

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have eight hours a day to practice. Second of all,

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I would get bored with doing scales and all that

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practice stuff. So to me, that probably knocked me out

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of being a musician cause I got bored with stuff.

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And so the fact that I think you're smart enough

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that you're diversifying, that makes it interesting and fun.

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Yeah.

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And it keeps me busy, you know, and it keeps

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it interesting. So yeah. And I'm, you know, I focus

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more on the writing side of it maybe where I'm,

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I'm always trying to improve my technique and, uh, you know,

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and find the fun in doing scales and stuff like that.

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And that usually turns into ideas anyways. So, you know,

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I've always, I'm a lefty, so it's always been easy

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for me just to be creative, I guess, and go

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with the flow where it was harder for me to be,

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stay disciplined. And I had to really force myself, you know,

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to build that into me where I do practice. And

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then after a while it becomes addictive. Next thing you know,

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that's what you want to do all the time. You

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don't feel right unless you do.

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And it's funny you say you're a lefty because I'm

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a lefty too. Nice. Except, you know how it is.

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I actually started learning as lefty and taking lessons.

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Nobody wanted to give you a lefty lesson.

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So I mean, I learned as righty, you know, and

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I sit and think about it now.

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Even when I air guitar, I do it as a righty,

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not a lefty.

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Because I think about it's almost better to do the

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opposite because I think as righty playing, it gives the

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left hand to be able to do that quicker.

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You know, I can't imagine my right being as quick

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at doing any kind of leads on the guitar.

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Well, it's been a battle with the right hand to

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get it to do what I want it to do,

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you know, but, you know, with the same motion over

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and over it's muscle memory. Next thing you know, it

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locks in, but I'll never be as smooth as my left. So,

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and I just play and ideas come out and then

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I work it out afterwards with a technique. So, but

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you know, after a while they join and then you

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have a happy place somewhere in the middle, you know,

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where I'll never be like the Marty Freemans or that,

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but you know, I, I think I created my own

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sound some kind.

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So, That's what counts.

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Like, to me, it's about the unique sound, especially today,

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because I find there's so many metal bands and so

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many subgenres and microgenres that some of those subgenres, those

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bands sound exactly the same because they're using a formula.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Metal was never a formula.

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Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer did not sound like the

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same bands, neither Exodus, Testament, none of them.

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Yeah.

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They didn't sound like they were in even the same

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genre sometimes, you know? So, and I think that's what

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makes it interesting. Cause listen, why do I want to

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listen to the same band at different from different bands?

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You know, the beauty of it is having different bands.

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Yeah. You get the, the personality of the writers.

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Right.

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And then instead of just an idea, you know, it's

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actually them, you know?

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Exactly.

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And metal was always experimentation to me, okay? You know,

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so like when I did first start playing guitar, I

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remember my dad yelling from the other room, you should

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give that up, you suck. And he didn't get what

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I was doing. I wasn't even playing when he was

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doing that. I was trying to see what sounds I

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could make out of that guitar, you know?

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Yeah, that's a big part of it.

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Exactly.

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That's how you get the uniqueness in your own style,

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you know?

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Yeah.

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And going back to the lefty thing, I did want

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to say one other thing too. There's only one other

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thing that I do both lefty and righty, but I'm

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still better lefty. And I had to start off righty

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was hockey.

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Oh, nice. Yeah.

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Again, you can't really find, it's not easy to find

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the lefty stick.

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That's true. Yeah. It's hard to find anything lefty.

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I know. Right.

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It's like even I played baseball for nine years and

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I played first base and pitcher and outfield because no

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other position can a lefty really play well.

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Like if you're playing the rest.

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Of the infield, you got to like turn around to

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throw it to first base and catcher. They put me

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at catcher once, never again. Like lefties have no business

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being catcher.

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Okay. I've never really been a sports guy. I tried it,

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but no. But if I have, you know, any one

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of those sports like hockey, golf, anything, I'm a true left.

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You know? Yeah.

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Even on the drum set, I played on a right-handed kit,

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but lefty where my hands weren't crossed over and leading right.

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Right. My left.

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And then I was screwed up when I came to

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my roles because my right had to lead. So I

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flipped everything around. So I played right. And then now

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I guess I'm ambidextrous so I can play both ways.

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So I I had to really work out that right

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hand on the guitar and drums. It'll never be as

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free as my left, but it's solid now.

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All this time. Well, there you go.

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See, now that I know about the band name, what

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we were talking about before, I like even more the

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name of the video.

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Oh, that is... Yeah, that is like the coolest thing ever.

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You know, cause it just like, I love that play

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on words and that is a ferocious song. I love

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that song. I love the description.

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I saw a dizzying title track from your, your upcoming

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debut album.

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Yeah.

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Uh, you know, which, which obviously it, it came out

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July 1st, but your, your description before that, like that

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dizzying really caught my attention.

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Okay.

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Nice.

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So all the chromatic runs and that sounds like a tornado.

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Right.

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So, yeah.

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And then, and then you have the like multi vocal

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thing going on. So that's, See, I think that is

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one thing I think about metal today is that there's

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so many bands with multiple vocalists.

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I just think it adds depth to the song. Yeah.

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Like Origin does that really well. It's a great band.

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They got the real low and the real high.

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Yeah.

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I can't get the real highs like Ruth can where

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she gets the real riffing. It like pierces your ears.

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And then Dustin, our bass player, he gets the real lows.

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And Dan's just kind of more like a rabid dog,

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I guess.

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Well, yeah, it does add more to it. And people

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are special in their own way of how they sing.

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So you take a band like Slayer. Imagine if you

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did have other vocalists, or even now. Tom can't hit

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those high notes anymore like he did in the 80s.

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So if you had another vocalist that could hit those

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high notes, I think that would add depth to the

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songs even now.

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For sure. It wouldn't be Slayer though.

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No, it wouldn't. But we need his screams.

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Like there's certain songs that when I see them live now,

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I'm like, as soon as it hits those parts, I'm

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like waiting for it. Cause I saw him so many

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times in the eighties with the screams. And I'm like, Oh,

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Where'd that go?

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Yeah, well, better not to do it than do it half-assed,

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I guess.

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Well, and you know the deal. Back then, nobody knew

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how to scream, so everybody was doing it wrong. I

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sang thrash metal for a while, and I blew out

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my voice because I didn't know what I was doing.

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I was just screaming.

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But good singers don't really just scream. Like Courtney LaPlante,

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her technique, I'm in awe of her, of spirit box.

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Cause I watch, I watch her mouth and it like

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opens up almost like a snake opens up.

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Their whole jaw.

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Okay.

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And it's kind of wild when I watch her and

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it's like no effort for.

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Her to scream.

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I don't know spirit box very well.

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They are. I do believe they are Canadian too.

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Okay.

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You'll have to check about.

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She, she goes back and forth from, you know, female,

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you know, soothing vocal to this brutal, you know, like

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people like her and Tatiana from ginger, you know, it's

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the same type of thing where that going back and forth,

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but definitely check out it for nothing else. Checking out her,

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like a live video, her technique when she goes into

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those screams. Cause it's like, It's like, wow, she really

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does know what she's doing. And I think that's key

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because how are you... I think about it too. How

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are you going to do an hour or a couple

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hours set or even half an hour where you're just

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straining your throat because you don't know what you're doing?

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Oh, yeah. Well, you can only do that for so

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long and then it doesn't work.

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Exactly.

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And I think that's probably why Tom can't scream anymore because...

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of not having that technique back then.

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Yeah. You know, I think more people have it now.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Oh, for sure.

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Tell us a little more about the album, uh, and

447
00:24:04.750 --> 00:24:07.250
how people can check it out, get it, how they

448
00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:11.990
can buy your merch. Also, if you have any and, uh,

449
00:24:12.450 --> 00:24:14.390
how they can connect to you on socials and all

450
00:24:14.410 --> 00:24:15.089
that good stuff.

451
00:24:15.890 --> 00:24:16.069
Yeah.

452
00:24:16.210 --> 00:24:20.799
Well, I got the lyric video on YouTube. Uh, just

453
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:25.950
metal aliens. And I got my Facebook page band camp.

454
00:24:26.009 --> 00:24:29.630
You can download the album. It's also on iTunes. I'm

455
00:24:29.670 --> 00:24:34.970
just getting organized. I got, uh, tons of shirts and posters,

456
00:24:35.069 --> 00:24:38.769
CDs and tapes. Um, I'm going to put online for

457
00:24:38.809 --> 00:24:44.049
sale and yeah, I think you can even hear us

458
00:24:44.130 --> 00:24:46.890
on Spotify. I haven't checked that one out yet, so

459
00:24:47.259 --> 00:24:47.900
it's on there though.

460
00:24:48.859 --> 00:24:49.559
Well, there you go.

461
00:24:49.579 --> 00:24:53.470
And, And I love a quote I saw of yours

462
00:24:54.390 --> 00:25:00.779
that says the interplay between vocalists is quick dizzying and hypnotizing.

463
00:25:00.819 --> 00:25:05.839
The music is incrementally and constantly gaining momentum, driving the

464
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:10.119
track to a spiraling frenzy by the final descent.

465
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:15.690
Yeah. You can tell that you're a writer. Oh yeah.

466
00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:16.029
Thanks.

467
00:25:17.430 --> 00:25:21.200
Right there. But like, what a great description. that enough

468
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:22.440
makes me want to listen.

469
00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:23.700
Oh, that's great.

470
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.599
That description right there. I love that kind of stuff.

471
00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.680
Uh, and so is there anything else you want to

472
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.779
tell the listeners about that we haven't covered already about

473
00:25:33.819 --> 00:25:36.269
what you have going on about your music or anything

474
00:25:36.289 --> 00:25:36.869
in the future?

475
00:25:37.789 --> 00:25:38.190
Uh, sure.

476
00:25:38.210 --> 00:25:42.309
Yeah. Well, the, the album, it's also very cathartic. Uh,

477
00:25:42.769 --> 00:25:47.519
you know, it's all based off personal experiences and, uh, Also,

478
00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:51.319
the last 15 years with YouTube, you get to research

479
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:56.849
other people and what they've been through and realize how

480
00:25:56.890 --> 00:26:04.730
many stories are out there. Left-hand path, meditation, act one,

481
00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:07.650
and then no worse death than the loss of all

482
00:26:07.690 --> 00:26:11.700
hope and confrontation with God is the second act. And

483
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:14.400
then cure for judgment, holy health is the third act.

484
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.220
So it's like flip sides, like, I guess the tarot card.

485
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:23.640
So like, uh, left-hand path is more like the victims

486
00:26:24.269 --> 00:26:30.289
having enough and like, uh, uh, joining together. And then

487
00:26:30.390 --> 00:26:32.970
by the end of it, it's ready for dedication. And

488
00:26:33.009 --> 00:26:36.630
then it's like going after the perpetrator and it's more

489
00:26:36.670 --> 00:26:42.369
like a psychic attack. So, uh, giving back a hundred

490
00:26:42.410 --> 00:26:45.690
thousand fold what they gave to them. So. Just seeing

491
00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:50.339
everything in the news with Epstein and stuff like that

492
00:26:50.430 --> 00:26:55.380
and just what people go through. I've come close to

493
00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:58.240
evil a few times. Just a little touch of it

494
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.579
here and there. You meet the wrong person or in

495
00:27:00.619 --> 00:27:02.819
the wrong place, wrong time. You really get to see

496
00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:07.930
what human nature is and how easy it is to

497
00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:15.529
destroy somebody's life. Those two songs are uh, you know,

498
00:27:16.470 --> 00:27:18.710
it's like biblical in some ways. It's supposed to scare

499
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:19.539
the shit out of you.

500
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.759
Yeah.

501
00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:25.460
So, and then with no worse death, holy hell, or sorry,

502
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:29.000
no worse death confrontation. That's a build, big buildup. Well,

503
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.809
no worse death is, uh, more to do with severe

504
00:27:32.849 --> 00:27:40.210
depression and, uh, suicidal ideology. And then confrontations more from, uh,

505
00:27:41.569 --> 00:27:46.589
I guess, panic and, uh, the ups and downs of

506
00:27:46.710 --> 00:27:52.210
manic episodes, extreme highs, extreme lows, and then leads into suicide.

507
00:27:52.569 --> 00:27:55.470
And then there's the big, at the end with the

508
00:27:55.529 --> 00:27:59.759
chorus and everything, it's the, the realization, you know, and

509
00:27:59.779 --> 00:28:03.900
then the sorry part. And then it, it slows down

510
00:28:03.980 --> 00:28:07.279
and like the heartbeat stops. And then that's going to

511
00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:10.700
lead into the second album. I won't give away that

512
00:28:10.779 --> 00:28:13.740
one too much, but the second album is already laid out.

513
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.390
We've already, uh, we're already rehearsing six of the songs

514
00:28:17.470 --> 00:28:20.130
out of the eight and it's more to do with

515
00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:24.220
the afterlife. So, and it, it trails off of confrontation

516
00:28:25.420 --> 00:28:27.200
and there, there is going to be a part two

517
00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:30.559
to dedication as well. And it's more for the victims

518
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:36.240
in hell this time. So we're, they were cursed to

519
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.079
hell and now they're there and never will leave. So, uh,

520
00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:44.589
and then here for judgment was, uh, you see it

521
00:28:44.609 --> 00:28:47.430
a lot nowadays, just how easy this get brainwashed.

522
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:48.339
Oh yeah.

523
00:28:48.690 --> 00:28:54.660
Oh, it's ridiculous. Everything's a cult. So, but, uh, I can't,

524
00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:58.400
I used to be part of, uh, I, a yoga,

525
00:28:59.180 --> 00:29:03.470
a yoga class, like, uh, something like that, you know?

526
00:29:03.509 --> 00:29:05.650
And then, uh, I worked for the guy for about

527
00:29:05.730 --> 00:29:10.069
six to eight months. And you just realize that I

528
00:29:10.089 --> 00:29:12.660
was in a cult and all these people are, you know,

529
00:29:12.740 --> 00:29:15.319
scared to death. And he's going around telling everybody they're

530
00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:17.349
going to die unless they do as he says. And

531
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:18.730
I was like, oh, I got to get the fuck

532
00:29:18.789 --> 00:29:22.349
out of here. And as I left, he said, well,

533
00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:25.509
you will die if you leave and spread all these rumors.

534
00:29:25.589 --> 00:29:27.799
I was going to fail in life. The song explains it,

535
00:29:28.309 --> 00:29:30.710
you know, but this is my big fuck you to him.

536
00:29:31.569 --> 00:29:33.190
Nice.

537
00:29:33.289 --> 00:29:35.609
He was a big name in the yoga world too.

538
00:29:35.710 --> 00:29:37.349
So I'm not going to give away who he is,

539
00:29:37.430 --> 00:29:41.920
but he's a piece of shit. so anyways and holy

540
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.660
hell is the extension off of that and it really

541
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.309
gives it to him it's like a personal letter just

542
00:29:48.349 --> 00:29:50.910
to him and people like that so.

543
00:29:51.769 --> 00:29:54.089
And there are a lot of them you know like

544
00:29:54.509 --> 00:30:00.140
i'm also a motivational speaker and i went from being

545
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.579
a student to being in that world. And I realized

546
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:08.029
how many of them did not walk their talk. Now,

547
00:30:08.609 --> 00:30:11.029
a lot of the things that they say I believe

548
00:30:11.150 --> 00:30:12.950
in and have helped me in life so I can

549
00:30:13.049 --> 00:30:14.750
separate it for sure.

550
00:30:15.269 --> 00:30:17.710
But to be blunt.

551
00:30:17.750 --> 00:30:21.180
Just like you said, some pieces of shit and, and

552
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:27.480
the people that prey on people's emotions. I, I remember when,

553
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.160
I used to be in the financial business and then

554
00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:34.740
I went into the motivational business and some of the

555
00:30:34.809 --> 00:30:37.029
top speakers in the world wanted to take me on

556
00:30:37.109 --> 00:30:39.690
tour and they're like, we're going to teach you how

557
00:30:39.710 --> 00:30:44.410
to clean people's pockets in a seminar. And I was like, yeah, thanks,

558
00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:46.089
but no thanks. If I wanted to do that, I

559
00:30:46.089 --> 00:30:51.670
would have stayed in the financial business. You just shouldn't

560
00:30:51.849 --> 00:30:56.890
play with people's emotions and their goals and dreams and

561
00:30:56.950 --> 00:31:01.920
stuff like that and It's a shame because some of

562
00:31:01.940 --> 00:31:05.000
the things like yoga is a good thing. Psychic stuff

563
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.220
can be a good thing, but then you have these

564
00:31:07.299 --> 00:31:09.500
bad apples that give it a bad name.

565
00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:11.660
Yeah. It spoils the bunch.

566
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:14.720
Exactly. A million percent.

567
00:31:15.029 --> 00:31:17.230
Yes. I did learn a lot from those times. Like

568
00:31:17.430 --> 00:31:22.250
as far as breathing and you know, getting centered and relaxed,

569
00:31:22.930 --> 00:31:24.990
I had to learn to separate the two.

570
00:31:25.109 --> 00:31:28.569
So yeah, that's my point. Yeah, exactly.

571
00:31:29.390 --> 00:31:31.569
I still believe in a lot of stuff that some

572
00:31:31.609 --> 00:31:34.490
of those people taught. I just don't believe in them.

573
00:31:34.890 --> 00:31:36.869
And you have to learn how to separate that.

574
00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:44.259
Yeah, exactly. So I would say it was a great lesson,

575
00:31:44.579 --> 00:31:48.559
you know, so really opened my eyes. So and a

576
00:31:48.579 --> 00:31:51.099
lot of those people, they got caught into it and

577
00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:51.849
they never left.

578
00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:58.230
So exactly. So well, kudos to you for bailing from

579
00:31:58.269 --> 00:32:03.609
that world. Yeah. And then creating this great music.

580
00:32:04.130 --> 00:32:09.140
Yeah. I was, uh, yeah. Reg, regaining, you know, like, uh,

581
00:32:09.579 --> 00:32:12.920
you weren't allowed to feel any sort of emotion or anything.

582
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.940
So this was definitely like becoming human and just putting every,

583
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:18.619
everything into the album.

584
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:22.880
I love that. Cause, cause music is some of the

585
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.730
best therapy. Yeah. It's definitely all about emotion and passion.

586
00:32:33.099 --> 00:32:35.500
I teach for a living I teach at Long and

587
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:39.740
McQuaid's it's a big chain across Canada here I got

588
00:32:40.329 --> 00:32:42.230
a couple days a week there and I teach for

589
00:32:42.269 --> 00:32:44.509
my brother and his wife as well they have their

590
00:32:44.549 --> 00:32:49.589
own music studio so it's a constant in my life

591
00:32:49.630 --> 00:32:53.170
whether I'm teaching it or playing or writing I can't

592
00:32:53.210 --> 00:32:56.420
get enough of it so I got a ton of

593
00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:00.710
great students and You watch them grow through the years

594
00:33:00.789 --> 00:33:06.190
and then... Yeah, it's just amazing. It's a wonderful tool.

595
00:33:06.509 --> 00:33:12.390
I think everybody should learn. Absolutely. Or some sort of art.

596
00:33:14.019 --> 00:33:14.480
Totally.

597
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.480
And what you were saying about what you do, that's

598
00:33:17.539 --> 00:33:19.880
all that matters. If you love what you do, it's

599
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:20.579
not a job.

600
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.420
Exactly, yeah. I'm pretty happy all around.

601
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.509
Well, there you go. I love it. And maybe.

602
00:33:28.099 --> 00:33:33.799
Maybe that, I'll say bluntly, asshole helped you to get

603
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.059
there without knowing it.

604
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:41.140
Yeah. I guess he deserves a thank you. He got

605
00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:41.539
a song.

606
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.259
A thank you, fuck you. Yeah.

607
00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:48.180
You know, but yeah, I mean, I think sometimes we

608
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:52.490
learn from the evil shit more than the good shit sometimes.

609
00:33:53.450 --> 00:33:53.690
Yeah.

610
00:33:54.029 --> 00:33:56.009
Yeah, well, you can't have the good without the bad.

611
00:33:56.670 --> 00:33:57.769
Gotta find a balance somewhere.

612
00:33:57.769 --> 00:33:59.769
100%.

613
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:04.119
Well, I hope everybody checks out your music because it

614
00:34:04.220 --> 00:34:11.030
is definitely ferocious, but fucking amazing. So thank you for

615
00:34:11.349 --> 00:34:14.090
making such great music and going through that whole path

616
00:34:14.170 --> 00:34:17.349
to get here. And thanks for being on The Adventures

617
00:34:17.409 --> 00:34:17.889
of Pipe Man.

618
00:34:18.369 --> 00:34:19.949
I appreciate it. Thanks, King.

619
00:34:22.190 --> 00:34:26.380
Thank you for listening to The Adventures of Pipe Man.

620
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.429
On W4CUI Radio.