July 25, 2026

Canadian Death-Groove Metal Band Pythonic Set You Free - PipemanRadio Interview

Canadian Death-Groove Metal Band Pythonic Set You Free - PipemanRadio Interview
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Pythonic - Set You Free

Pythonic is a Canadian death-groove metal band hailing from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Drawing inspiration from groove and death metal giants like Lamb of God, The Black Dahlia Murder, Morbid Angel, and Devildriver, the band blends crushing riffs with unrelenting energy. Striving for the tightest live sound possible while delivering an electrifying stage presence, Pythonic is truly a sonic force to be reckoned with. Over the years, the band has seen many lineup changes, but two core members have remained constant. Lead guitarist Ryan Hunter, the resident guitar prodigy, shreds some of the grooviest riffs and most blistering solos. Rhythm guitarist Vincent Kohut brings a machine-like precision, combining thick low-end riffing with razor-sharp tremolo picking.

The 2025 and beyond lineup is the tightest and most prolific in Pythonic’s history:

Jayden Warriner – skin-slapping powerhouse on drums

Morgan Warriner – a vocalist with a beastly range that will leave your head spinning

Max Hiske – the latest addition, locking down the low end and slappin’ da bass with fury

Together, this lineup delivers the full-throttle sonic assault that defines Pythonic.

Morgan Warriner transitioned from bass to lead vocals, writing and learning a full setlist of songs ahead of Pythonic’s first show of 2025—Serenade Metal Fest in Edmonton, held in February.

During the early months of the year, Alex Conley filled in on bass. After Alex left to pursue school, he was replaced by bass phenom Max Hiske. By the end of June, Max played his first show with Pythonic, which also marked Morgan’s third performance as lead vocalist.

Just one week later, we had the honor of opening for local legends Lava Goat and international heavy-hitters 200 Stab Wounds.

Pythonic’s current lineup is a force to be reckoned with.


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Hi, you have done to censure? Wow, crazy you.

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It is the pipe Man here on the Inventor's Pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with

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our next guest, who uh man, they have some killer music,

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but I don't know. So the most Canadian artists, I

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don't know. They're they're a step above up there. And

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uh so let's welcome to the show. Vince from Pythonic.

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How are you doing pretty good?

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How are you?

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I'm doing great.

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I can pronounce your band name better than probably your province. Yeah,

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I was laughing at because I can pronounce it. But

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it's like, you know, sometimes band names nowadays, especially because

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you have to be so creative, it's sometimes I hear

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press people just pronouncing them wrong, and that's like my

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worst nightmare is doing that to a band.

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But then I, you know.

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After I say it, and I'm like thinking about where

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you're at, I'm like, oh, yeah, that was easier than

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saying where you're at.

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Yeah, oh yeah, no.

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I mean we've even had people mispronounce our name a

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few times, so it happens.

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Oh, I want to hear the other versions that people

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have said.

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Uh, probably the most recent one was definitely phytonic.

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Where'd they get that from? There's no H or F there.

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That's what I was kind of wondering about, and I

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was like, okay, thanks.

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Yeah.

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You know what I do is if I'm not one

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hundred percent sure of how to pronounce it, I google it,

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like listen to your work people. I google up interviews

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and I hear how to band says it like in

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an interview. Yeah, because then you know it's right, or

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or like when I cover festivals, which I do a lot.

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In fact, I just got back from incarceration at Shashank Prison.

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I'm leaving in a couple of days to uh the

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Holy uh Ground of Vodkin and and then Bloodstock after that.

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But uh, at the at the festivals, I have the

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band say their name because A, then I won't fuck

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it up. But B I just only say it way

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cooler than I do, because a lot of times, you know,

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they'll like say it with their spin on it, and

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I think that's cool.

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Oh yeah, no, kind of well, and I mean like it.

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Then they kind of like get themselves pumped up and

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ready and gets everybody else ready.

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For it and totally great introduction.

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I love it.

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Well, I'm glad that I'm getting the kudos for it

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because and I always wonder do bands like when I

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do it that way, because some there have been very

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few times, very few times that they were kind of confused,

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but usually it's cool and then they say it really cool.

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But man, you guys are badass.

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And I just want to know with the Canada thing, Okay,

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so is it because it's so freaking cold there that

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you make great music?

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Well?

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I mean yeah, like six months out of the year

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we're pretty much stuck inside because it's so cold, so

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exactly a lot of time to sit down and really

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uh you know, and that you get you can kind

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of get that hatred to kind of warm me up

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during those winter months and right, but yeah, you know,

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like it it does give like a lot of the

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Canadian bands a lot of downtime. But the only the

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unfortunate part is like you have that downtime to work

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on music, but you can't, Like touring is brutal trying

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to go.

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Anywhere in the winter time because it's.

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Like if something does happen while you could be stuck

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in minus thirty minus forty temperatures and like you don't

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that's not really a great risk take.

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No, not at all.

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And I've heard of some bands playing in weather like that,

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and I'm like, how the how do they do that?

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Like I can barely you know, use my phone much

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less play a guitar or something like that.

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I think we had.

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One show that ended up being an outside show beginning

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of October a couple of years ago, and I think

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it was like minus five or minus ten, and like

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that was even hard, like but we were also the

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show started at two or three because it was like

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a little bit there was like six or seven bands

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on the bill, and we didn't play till seven, and

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it just by the time like we were playing, like.

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We just kept running to like the bathrooms because they

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had heat to like warm up our hands and like

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try not to like be seizing while we're on stage

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because it's okay, so cold.

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Yeah, And like I was just thinking while you were talking,

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like if I were in a band and I was

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playing in that condition, I would jump into the mosh

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pit of the band before me to warm up.

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Yeah. Well then like given that's it. The band before

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you has a mosh pit though.

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Right, because the show it was kind of like hip

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hop and metal at the same time. So the band,

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the group right before us was like more of a

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hip hop nobody was really moshing, so it's like, couldn't

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even really do that as much.

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You know what's funny about that is I've been at

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festivals where Whiz Khalifa had a mosh pit and every

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hip hop people, I guess if they play at the

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metal festival people.

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Listen.

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I was just at Welcome to Rockville recently and we

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had like three out of four days we had evacuations

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because it's Florida this time of year.

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Okay, yeah, and.

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The weather is brutal and you know, listen, I have

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outages at my studio every day during the Stumma summer,

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no matter what. So you know, basically, when they did

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a Code red walk, a flock of Flame was actually

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on stage and he basically had the attitude, I'm not

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fucking leaving and he got down and he started a

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marsh pit in a code read.

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When we were supposed to be evacuating. It was rather cool.

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I mean, that's pretty hardcore, but like you know, and

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that's but that's what something people will remember, right, Like

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he he knew what he was doing.

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It's all over the video of it is all over. Yeah, exactly.

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It's kind of like you know, I got so many

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interviews interrupted due to code reds. The best one was

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also at Rockville was uh Psychostick.

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And I don't know if you're familiar with them.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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You're funniest shit.

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If you're gonna get a code read intra erupted interview,

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that's the band to do it, because they just like

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they poured it on thick. They were like freaking out

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screaming like, oh my god. It was the funniest thing ever,

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Oh my god. And so like what I love about

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that is all these stories we talk about or think about,

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they just make some great memories. They may suck at

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the time, but they make great memories later.

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Yeah.

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So what's I know? But the listeners don't know what

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started this all for you? Because you started this whole

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thing and you've evolved it to what is probably your

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best lineup ever, And yeah, what is it that was

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the starting impatus?

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Like what made you do this?

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Well? Like my pretty much my whole life.

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I always kind of like liked music and being kind

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of musical, and I always.

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Wanted to play in a band.

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And I come from a very small town, like I

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think population is like three to five hundred people, like

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very very small. So it's like you don't have a

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lot of options when you're out there to connect with

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like other musicians and start anything. So it wasn't until

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I graduated and started moving out to like cities and stuff,

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and I was kind of like bumbling around in post

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secondary school for a while, but nothing really felt right.

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And then I started making the band the last year.

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That I was doing post secondary and I was like,

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you know what, like this this feels, this feels.

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Like what I'm supposed to be doing. And I just

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threw so many.

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Changeovers of members and so much just stuff.

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I just kept it going. Definitely helps that I had

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Ryan with me, the other guitar player.

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He's been with it pretty much since the beginning, and

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me and him just every time like we lose drummer,

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lose bass player, you know, we just keep writing songs,

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keep writing songs.

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And because we just love doing it.

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It's just yeah, and finding somebody else to just like

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have that same passion keeps it. Can you kind of

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keep each other in check to like keep working at it.

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And then over the years as it's gone. Like Ryan's

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done other bands he's he's played with, like Death Ris,

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Like they've done some pretty big shows and tours and stuff,

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and a lot of those guys they're actually in the

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band now Dying Remains, and I know they've been touring

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down in the States affair bit and like, you know,

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he ended up quitting a lot of those bands, and

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he's like, he's like, I don't know what it is,

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but something just feels different about this band, and like

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the way everything goes is just it.

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Doesn't have the same field.

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And I took that and I'm like, hey, well then

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we gotta double down and I quit all my other

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side projects and we.

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Just got to keep this going.

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Yeah, you know what I mean.

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The bottom line is is you said something that to

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me is very important, Like you know, you gotta be

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this is what you want to do, This is what

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you enjoy. It's not a hobby you love doing. You

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have to really have the love and passion for it,

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because it's a tough business to make your career. If

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you're not okay, like, oh yeah, it's great if you are,

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but if you're not, like it's not great for you,

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it's not great for us.

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The audience either.

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And so I think that's why bands have to evolve

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like yours did, because it takes some time to find

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those people that actually want to do it to the

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very end.

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Oh yeah, no end.

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The current guys that we have right now, like they

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they're all very, very dedicated members.

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Morgan, we are vocalists now. We actually had him on

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base for I think almost a whole year.

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And then we were just getting sick and tired of

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the vocalist we had, like skipping out on practices and

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all the you know, typical typical like band member kind

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of like wants to be in the band but doesn't

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want to do any of the work type deal. And

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I heard Morgan's scream one day and I was like,

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holy hell, man.

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Like you're really good. And I was like, we gotta

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movie to the front.

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And he was very reluctant to do it at the start,

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and he like didn't want to and I was like, well,

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maybe I'll give it to this guy. And then he's like, well,

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you know, like it'd probably be easier to find like

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another bass player than it would be to find a

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vocalist if this guy's going to be leaving and stuff.

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If he's going to be a short time. And yeah,

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he really jumped in and took it by the reins

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and he's just been killing it our live shows.

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He's been getting very comfortable at the front because he

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was kind of, you know.

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A little stand office for a bit, as he would be,

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you know, like.

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If you're not used to fronting a band. But like, yeah,

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he just he blows it away every night now.

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And I'm nice, so awesome.

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And so it's funny because I was going to talk

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about somebody else who is a guitarist about in reference

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to you, and now it's both in reference to.

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You and your singer.

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Because there was this one artist who is still around

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after many, many years, and he's a front man, one

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of the most renowned front men in metal. And he

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was not a good front man in the beginning. He

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didn't like it. He was shy. He you know, he

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really didn't come out front till much later. Now the

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other side of it is, now I'm gonna have fun

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with this because then I'm gonna make you guess who

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it is. I wasn't gonna do that before, but as

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a rhythm guitarist, Okay, this person's like one of the

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best rhythm guitarists ever.

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And when I read the description.

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About Okay, it says that you bring a machine like precision,

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combining thick, low and riffing with razor sharp tremolo picking.

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And all I thought of when I read.

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That was this rhythm guitarist who is probably known as

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the best down picker ever in metal. So I gave

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you a lot of hints. Now I want to do

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it this way, but I gave.

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You a lot of hints. So you tell me who

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I'm talking about.

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Is it James Headfield, that's the one. Yeah.

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As soon as you said that's downpicking, I'm like, yeah,

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it's got to be. It's got to be James, because

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he just, yeah, he's downpicking. His downpicking is insane. It's

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actually like, uh.

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Yeah right, And I knew that would be the real

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tip off right there. Okay, So do you also know

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why his downpicking is so great? Part of it, like,

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not the whole story, but there's something he does that

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I don't know any other guitarist that does it.

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I actually am not entirely sure.

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It's the way he holds the pick. He holds it

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with three fingers, not two.

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So interesting.

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He's got the index finger and the middle finger and

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the thumb, so he like never loses control of that

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pick because he's holding it so strong with those three fingers.

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I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah, especially if you're downpicking like he does, and as

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fast as he does. It's like I can imagine, you know,

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doing the normal way. I can imagine the flip and

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the pick just flying at your finger. So yeah, I

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think he figured that out, and so that's why he

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does the three fingers and I try it now. I'm

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like that is kind of cool because it just gives

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you more force you can have.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I definitely even just my personal playing, Like

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I find I pick.

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With a lot, a lot of force. But I'm also

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just a big dude.

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I got big hands, so I have I have it

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all that, I have all the weight behind it to

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push that in, and like, I don't think a lot

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of people realize how much your hands actually like help with.

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Tone and stuff too.

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Yeah, because like the way I end up holding the

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pick because I always wondered because like I.

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Can get pretty like deep deep.

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Chugging, like like chugs going on, and I was kind

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of like looking at other people, I'm like well, what

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am I doing differently that I'm getting like this like really.

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Heavy, basy sound from it.

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And then I noticed that when I hold my pick

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it almost makes like a cup in my picking hand.

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So I'm literally feeding back the.

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String sound from in my palm into the pickup, so

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then I get that really nice like sound from it.

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And I you know, like a lot of times, the

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only time.

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I see other people getting that is when they also

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are bigger guys, and they're probably getting that same kind

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of you know, reverberation off of it.

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But you know what else I'm jealous of being that

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you're a bigger guy playing guitar is how much easier

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it must be to play chords and stretch your fingers out.

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Like yes and no, because like some like I actually

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struggled with a lot of chords is when I first

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started playing, mostly because like my fingers are so we're

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so fat that when I would hold the cord, the

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bottom of my finger would touch the string underneath, so

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then it would ute those strings. But I mean, that

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works really well when you're doing like power chords and stuff,

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but like when you're trying to do like a little

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bit fancier chords, it gets it's a little cumbersome.

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I would imagine it's pretty cumbersome too if you do

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lead speak, and because like I would think with bigger

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fingers that the leads would be harder because your fingers

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would like run into each other.

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Like a bit here and there. But like it's really

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not that bad.

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But I mean obviously, like I've I've just practiced and

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like workd with what I have for so long already.

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That I kind of, you know, enough practice you'll be

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able to do anything.

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So what you're saying is you're kind of like Tony Iomi,

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who could have ended up not playing guitar ever again

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and ends up one of the most famous guitar players

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ever that created metal.

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You know, well, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't go

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that far, but you know, yeah, like I definitely could.

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I definitely had a turning point actually where I was

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kind of like slowing down near the end of high

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school playing guitar a bunch and I was gonna try

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like be a football player because I had a bunch

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of people who were really trying to like push me

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into that. Then I had my English teacher and he

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told me, he's, like, you know, playing football in that

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it's really fun, and you know you can do it

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till you're probably about thirty five, you know, at the latest.

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But like you know, playing guitar, you could probably keep

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doing that until you're in your nineties. And I'm like, man,

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you really got a point there, And I kind of

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doubled back and went back playing a lot more guitar again.

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And yeah, if if.

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He honestly, I didn't, I probably would have destroyed my

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hands playing football if I didn't listen to them there.

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Yeah, look at that.

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And you know, it's funny because I was kind of

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the opposite because I'm a real little dude, especially in

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high school, Like I was scrawny, short, and I did

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play a lot of sports and I was into music.

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But ninth grade I joined freshman football and that was

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really the turning point where I turned away from sports

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and more towards music for the opposite reason, Like I'm

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seeing it like I'm being a running back running for

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my life from these people probably your size that would

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like pounce me, and.

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Opposed to I think it's too advantage. It's like people

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don't realize it's so funny.

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How many musicians that look so big on stage get

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off stage, and.

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They're so short, especially especially front men.

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Yeah, it's kind of wild, you know, Like and you

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know I look at people like I'm five seven, so

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I'm short for a dude, But there's people that are

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really famous that are shorter than me, front and bands,

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but you look at him on stage and they're like

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bigger than life.

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Well, I mean, like Dio is a prime example. He

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is he was not a very big dude, and like,

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you know, the voice coming out of him and is

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just his presence alone, you would you would think he's

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like six six feet six two, like he's massive because

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he just has such a powerful voice behind him.

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Like it's.

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I always find it funny though, is when you know,

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you see a band and then you see them all

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stand up at the end, because like the drummers sitting

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behind the kit and you see the drummer stand up

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and you're like, whoa that he actually is barely taller

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than his kid.

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I imagine it would probably be harder if you're really

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I do know tall drummers. I'm thinking because I I

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I started off on drums when I was a kid.

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I moved a guitar and then I moved to singing

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thrash metal. I sucked at all three so now I

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do radio and uh but but you know, I'm thinking

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somebody really tall playing drums, it's gotta be a little

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more difficult, especially metal where you're double basing it, Like

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it's gotta be hard on your knees and stuff. Yeah,

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I'm thinking, you know, just imagining that, you know, because

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I'm like imagining, like them them driving a little fiad

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or something is the same as them playing a drum set.

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Yeah, I guess like in a lot of times when

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a lot of the people are taller, like you get,

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you're a little bit more awkward, you know, to your

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size for a lot longer too, so like the coordination

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would definitely take a lot more time.

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To build up.

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Well, that's because they have a lot further to fall

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to the ground, like a short Yeah, you know, it's

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not a big deal to fall on the ground because

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it's not that far. So tell me also about set

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You Free, because I think the whole world needs to

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be set free at this point in this crazy shit

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we're living.

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Well, that song we uh, that one had the lyrics rewritten.

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Morgan.

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Morgan did a lot of the rewriting on the lyrics

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that one in particular, he wanted to drive something a

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little more home in the religious theme, uh, because like

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there is a lot of corruption within a lot of

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the religions, like the big religions in the world, and

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they kind of like use that as a guys to

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do terrible things. And it's something that I think, you know,

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kind of just needs to be like people need to

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be aware of it because it's it's very easy to

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get caught up in something that promises like community and

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it sucks you in like a cult and takes advantage

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of you. And that's definitely what's been going on. And

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like Morgan he uh, he has like very close ties

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with that. Like his his grandfather is a preacher, so like,

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you know, he kinda he's he's seen both sides. So

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then it's I'm not saying, like his grandfather's a bad dude,

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but he's like, you know, even even when they're not

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doing bad things, they they hold people to such high

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standards that like it's just unattainable. It's moralizing, and it's

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like it's not it's not easy on people.

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You know. They want everyone you.

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Know, they want everybody to just be kind of like perfect,

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but like it's almost impossible to be perfect.

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It's like you're going to mess up sometimes.

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You're not supposed to be perfect. We're human being. I'm

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not supposed to be exactly.

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And most of those perfect people or acting perfect people

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are less perfect than we are.

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That's the problem.

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Like walk your talk, you know, And you know, it's interesting,

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like you used the word cult because I don't know

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if you're aware of this, if you research history, Christianity

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started as a.

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Cult, and so yeah, I mean, and the.

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Fact is is that none of us really know, like

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these people think they know, but how come? In my opinion,

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the people that are the most religious are either the

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ones that find religion in jail after they've done horrible

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things and it doesn't make them a better person. They

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just have a better act, or it's people that they're

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holier than now, but they're the ones that sin the most,

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if you're gonna use that.

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Word, yeah, no, And I've definitely noticed that myself as well.

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Even in high school. I remember writing a paper and.

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It was I was talking about how you know, there's

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so many people that they'll go and they say that

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they're so good and they go to church every week,

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but then you know, they go home and they're like

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eating their wives or like doing all this like just

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terrible demoralizing things to other people. But they you know,

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they go to church on Sunday, Well they're forgiven of

470
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.440
it now, so then they're good. So then they could

471
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.559
just go the next week and they're refreshed and started

472
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.200
all over again, and then by Sunday they're back to

473
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.319
being good again. And it's like, well, that's not the point,

474
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.960
Like this isn't a free past car and like you

475
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.240
shouldn't be you know, trying.

476
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.519
To use it as that right, Just be a good

477
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:54.880
human being period exactly. Yeah, Like that's all that should count.

478
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:59.039
And I think that's what's great about metal, because metal,

479
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.279
I mean, you go to a show, everybody, for the

480
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.839
most part, not everybody, but mostly are great human means.

481
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:15.640
Everybody thinks we're scary, we're devil worshipers, blah blah bullshit,

482
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:21.880
but we're the nicest, most family oriented, loving people there is,

483
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:27.240
and so image means nothing.

484
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.319
Nope, like on it, like and talking on that.

485
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.640
The best shows I've been to have been like full

486
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.079
metal like band shows, and then like some of the

487
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:42.759
worst like kind of like you get those like kind

488
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.880
of in between rock band kind of kind of bands,

489
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.359
you know, where it's like they get played on the

490
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.559
radio a lot, but they're still kind of heavy. Those

491
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:56.400
shows I find are they're bad, Like those are probably

492
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:57.200
the only ones.

493
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.440
Where I've been punched in the back of the head.

494
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.359
Or like people like they just people don't like they

495
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.960
see metal pits on TV and stuff like that, and

496
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.519
I think it's just like people fighting in the pit,

497
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.799
but it's like no, like we're like kind of bumping

498
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.319
into each other and hitting each other, but like when

499
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.559
someone falls, you pick him back up. Like I've watched

500
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.279
people almost get trampled, and I'm like, guys, you gotta

501
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:21.680
stock like, oh wow.

502
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.640
I'll tell you a great story. You'll love.

503
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.960
So a couple of years ago, when I was doing

504
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.240
press coverage for download, bring Me to the Horizon was

505
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.400
headlining and I was in their pit and there was

506
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.000
this dude.

507
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.279
He was a big dude, Like.

508
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.519
He had to be somewhere between six five and six seven,

509
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:49.440
I would say, and he was definitely. And it's always

510
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:55.039
those people that I think can be a problem because

511
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.119
they're not metal heads. And when I say that, not

512
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.119
just big people, big people that really aren't mental heads.

513
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.319
They go to a show so that they can show

514
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:05.160
how tough they.

515
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:05.720
Are in the pit.

516
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:11.240
And this guy started really being an asshole to be

517
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.759
blunt in the pit. And I'm a little guy. People

518
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.319
like that to me. I like to come around and

519
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.799
come up and you know, get down low and come

520
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.839
up with my elbow like Mike Tyson, and then I'll

521
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.599
be on the other side of pit before they even

522
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.839
know who hit him, you know, because I'm little and fast.

523
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.519
But it was so great.

524
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.319
There was this one dude that ended up actually was

525
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:39.440
bigger than him, and he walked right up to him

526
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.720
and he's like, why don't you pick on somebody your

527
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:46.960
own size? Like that's something that said a lot, but

528
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.079
that has a lot more meaning when it's this super

529
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.400
huge dude and it's somebody bigger than.

530
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.000
Him, that has a lot of meaning to it.

531
00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:01.279
And he basically he physically of this dude from the pit.

532
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:06.680
And it's funny. It's always as tough things like that.

533
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.680
He never re entered the pit. He was scared. You

534
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.640
could see it on his face. He was scared. And

535
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:18.319
that's it's just like bullies. Bullies are only tough until

536
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:19.640
you knock him out.

537
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:21.079
Then they're not tough anymore.

538
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:23.079
Oh yeah, no.

539
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.279
I mean see, I'm a big dude, so I know

540
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.319
my size. I know I could if I wanted to,

541
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.759
I could be an absolute destructive force in the pit,

542
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.039
but I try not to. I just kind of bounce

543
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.920
into everybody and just like, you know, have a good time,

544
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.480
help you know the general like big guy.

545
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:41.640
Stuff is what you should be doing.

546
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.200
Yeah, keeping everybody kind of inside in that. I remember

547
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.119
being at Archspire a couple of years ago and there

548
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.160
was one guy and he was one of those guys

549
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.359
that he goes into the pit and he's just trying

550
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.160
to annihilate everybody. And I'm like, I'm watching this and

551
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.079
I'm trying not to get into the pit because I

552
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.720
had to work the next day and I'm like, I can't,

553
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.000
I can't handle it. A board had gone on and

554
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.279
they were playing so aggressively. I'm like, okay, this guy's

555
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:12.000
going down. This guy went to go hit the smaller dude.

556
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.519
I just came out and just hammered him. He flew

557
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:16.000
like three feet onto the.

558
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.680
Ground and I was like yep.

559
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.720
And then the whole rest of the night he would

560
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.079
like be running around doing.

561
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.960
A circle pick he'd see me on the edge, would

562
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:24.880
like loop around.

563
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.559
And I'm like, man, like, if you're gonna try and

564
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:29.519
dish out these big hits like that, you got to

565
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.119
be able to take the big hits to you.

566
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:36.039
Like like no, like there's always someone bigger, you know.

567
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:42.039
There is always somebody bigger whatever, And what you said

568
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.039
about yourself, that's what I'd normally find about. And that's

569
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.359
why I clarified about big dudes. Most of Yeah, big

570
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.400
dudes I've known in my life are like big teddy bears,

571
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:55.279
Like they know they're that size so they don't have

572
00:30:55.319 --> 00:31:01.759
to act tough, you know. Yeah, And I like, I

573
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.400
have this friend of mine. Uh he's a photographer. He's

574
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:10.680
at all the festivals, and he is a huge, huge dude,

575
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.400
and we have this dynamic like it's kind of funny,

576
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:19.079
like you know, we were just at incarcerations, like I'm

577
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.519
going get the fuck away from me, motherfucker, and he's

578
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.960
saying shit to me and stuff. But I have full

579
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:31.240
confidence that no matter what I would do, he wouldn't

580
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.599
do shit to me. And he could probably knock me

581
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:38.680
to next Tuesday. Okay, but yeah, but he wouldn't because

582
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:43.960
you know, it's just that's a good human being and

583
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.279
that's respect, you know, And that's the way I look

584
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.359
at well, Like that's.

585
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:49.839
The way it should be.

586
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.799
Everybody at the show should be respecting everybody else. Everybody

587
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.319
who's there paid to be there, right, And as somebody

588
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.920
who like has like work shows and like seeing crowds

589
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.440
and how people interact. It's like, you know, people think

590
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.599
they just can get free rides a lot of times,

591
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:11.039
like people vaping inside. It's like, you know, the guy, besides,

592
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.160
you could have ass you don't know that you're not

593
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.119
supposed to be doing it.

594
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.599
Why are you doing it? You know, respect the other

595
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.799
people who paid you paid too, So why do you

596
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.759
want to risk getting kicked out if you also paid?

597
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.759
Like what's the file that's child Yeah, you know, so

598
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.200
what's the big deal go to the smoking area or

599
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.559
walk out exactly something like that. I'm with you one

600
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.440
hundred percent, Like we're adults, act like it and that

601
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.720
because what always happens when you have childish stuff like

602
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.119
that is they change the rules and make it worse

603
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.079
on everybody. I see it impressed too, you know, it's

604
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.039
like you got these idiots sometimes that do things are

605
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.720
not supposed to do and it ruins it for the

606
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.640
rest of us, Like, you know, you're not supposed to

607
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.200
do that, Like it blows my mind some of the

608
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.039
things people try to get away with and they're pressed.

609
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:04.160
It's like you're game, I don't get it. You know,

610
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:05.640
do your job.

611
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.119
Make it to where the artists want to come to

612
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.799
the press tent because that ship makes them.

613
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:13.240
Not want to come to the preston.

614
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:18.440
Yeah, So what else you guys got going on the

615
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:19.240
rest of the year.

616
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:25.160
Here going into September, We have a fair few shows

617
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.000
that we got booked up in a few different provinces

618
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.599
in Canada here, and then we're kind of just like

619
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.680
looking towards starting to record an album.

620
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.799
We have. We have like still a lot of songs

621
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.279
that we haven't recorded yet.

622
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.319
A lot of these ones are a lot more true

623
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.559
to like where we're at musically and like just versed

624
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:54.720
into how our songwriting has become. And some of them

625
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.519
were actually already playing live because they're just they were

626
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.079
they were such good tracks, where like we can't we

627
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.319
can't just like keep holding onto these because like people

628
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:05.720
need to hear them. And the one track that we

629
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.239
have plan to like get recorded.

630
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:09.119
It's called clubbed.

631
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.280
Every time we play that song, we have everybody coming

632
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.320
up to us after, where can I hear this song?

633
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:18.480
Where is this? And like it just it sucks not having.

634
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.880
A recorded yet, but it's also very reassuring that we

635
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.920
have a song that people hear the name of it

636
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:25.960
where we would we announce it and then they come

637
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.920
up to us after and like, I need to hear

638
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.880
this song somewhere. So like, we're very excited to be

639
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:32.719
working on some of this new stuff.

640
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:33.199
That we got working.

641
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:34.960
That's pretty cool.

642
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.360
I love it And is there anything else you want

643
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.159
the listeners to know about you guys and tell them

644
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.880
how to connect you on socials, check out your music,

645
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:43.960
your merch and all that.

646
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.119
Check us out on Instagram or Facebook and python a

647
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.679
band same thing with band camp. Band Camp has some

648
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.639
of our merch on there. We've been kind of withholding

649
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:56.679
a little bit right now.

650
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:58.880
As we're still like finishing up some shows for the year,

651
00:34:58.960 --> 00:34:59.559
but as soon as.

652
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.440
We're done though, will definitely have a updated Laws of

653
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.880
Karma merch up on there.

654
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.280
Yeah, you know, be a good person that shows and

655
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:09.119
stay metal.

656
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.760
Stay metal with Pythonic. Well, thanks a lot, brother, you

657
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.679
guys got some badass music. Everybody has to check you

658
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.079
guys out that hasn't already.

659
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.760
And thanks a lot for being on the Adventures of

660
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:23.239
play Man.

661
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:29.159
Yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you for listening to

662
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.519
the Adventures of Pipeline.

663
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.559
I'm W for CUI Radio.