July 28, 2026
If Not For Me Performs at Inkcarceration 2026 at Shawshank Prison - PipemanRadio Interview
The conversation focused on the band If Not For Me as they recount experiences playing at Shawshank Prison during a festival, their journey into music, and what it means to perform at such iconic venues. The discussion explored the unique culture and atmosphere of different festivals, the band's musical origins, connections formed through their local scene, and exciting upcoming releases and tours.Main Topics Covered
- Playing at Shawshank Prison and festival experiences
- Differences among major rock festivals
- Personal stories about discovering music and joining the band
- The allure of haunted locations and ghost tours
- Details about new music and upcoming tours
- Importance of buying merch and supporting artists
- The intense festival environment, including dust, heat, and “fire festival” vibes, and what it’s like to play in such an unconventional location was discussed at 00:55.
- Several points were raised, including enthusiasm about attending a ghost tour at the infamous venue and the intriguing, haunted history attached to performing inside a real prison 01:18, 03:19.
- One concept discussed was how each festival, particularly the Whimmer festivals, has its own unique vibe and culture, creating diverse experiences for both performers and fans 03:00.
- Playing early sets to packed, energetic crowds highlighted how passionate rock fans are, regardless of the hour 01:42.
- Driving on the Daytona Speedway for a show at Welcome to Rockville was a wild and memorable experience, especially marveling at the steep banking of the track 04:11.
- The fun, risky thought of skateboarding down the Daytona wall and the caution exercised to avoid injury or losing festival credentials was shared at 04:46.
- Each band member shared their journey into music, including early influences, stories about receiving instruments, and the transformative moment of seeing metalcore shows for the first time 06:46 – 10:50.
- A key theme that emerged was the pivotal role of local music scenes and how members’ previous bands eventually dissolved, enabling them to unite as If Not For Me.
- The discussion explored common, often over-asked interview questions and shared a humorous anecdote about the origins of August Burns Red’s band name, including their playful fabrications to interviewers 11:06.
- If Not For Me announced their new record, When the Light Begins to Fade, releasing August 14, and discussed excitement for an upcoming fall tour with Wind Walkers and a new collaborative single 13:13.
- Several points were raised, including encouragement to buy the album and merch in addition to streaming 13:50.
- "We're just stoked to experience all these Winterfests and just see how different they are and how the culture is. And it's just been so good. So we're happy to be here." 02:48
- "The people who want to keep doing this, I'm a firm believer, are going to make it happen." 09:39
- "Forget streaming it only. Stream it, but buy it too." 13:53
- "We're cellmates now." 14:13
- If Not For Me on Socials:
Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and YouTube – all under “If Not For Me”
(Direct links are accessible via the link in their social bios) - Merch & Music:
- Merch, website, and label site are accessible through their social bio link 13:21
- New record: When the Light Begins to Fade available August 14
- Tour dates and merch preorders available through their website and socials
- Support If Not For Me by purchasing their album, preordering vinyls, and checking out their new collaboration with Wind Walkers.
- Follow their social media for the latest updates and direct access to merch, tour info, and new releases.
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With if not for me, what's up guys?
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Who else is here? Let's interview.
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I'm Patty, I sing, I'm Zach, I play bass.
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I'm Cody, I play the drums, I'm Hayden and I
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play the guitar.
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Nice. Are you the gang leader? Yes?
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Yes, I'm the gang leader for sure.
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If you can see the video, I see all the
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signs he's throwing.
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Oh yeah, he's definitely like he's down with the sickness.
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So how's it feel playing at Shawn Shank Prison with
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a fire festival?
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Does heat in humidity.
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All things considered, with the weather and the craziness that's
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happening with that, It's been such a good day so far.
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I'm stoked to be at this site in general because
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I'm a big Shawshank fan, but.
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Yeah, this is sick. Stoked to be here.
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Yeah, I can't wait to go on the ghost tour.
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It's pretty metal. All the stuff's happening where we're at too.
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It kind of helped us to you because to push
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the show back a little bit and we got to
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play to a lot more people, and I think they
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were just very eager to see a band from waiting
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in the sun for so long.
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So the crowd was awesome.
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See I love that.
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But that's true of a women or festival away, Like
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it doesn't matter what time in a day, the crowd
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is here for it. They don't even have to know
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the band, And I love that.
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Yeah, we experienced that like our first ever Wimmerfest, which
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was Louder than Life last year, and we like, I
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think we played at like eleven thirty that day. We
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were like, man, I hope people show up and then
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like we go on and it's just packed and they're
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like ready to party.
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So I think where I feel on it.
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I think I talked to you at that one. It
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all swirls around. I had at this point, but uh yeah,
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I mean what a cool place. Like to your point,
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my daughter she'll call me up before every festival and
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she'll be like, so dead you excited to go to
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this festival. I'm like, I don't know if excite it's
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a word. I love doing it. It's a lot of fun,
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but when you do it every weekend, is it exciting.
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But the first year I did incarceration, I was out
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in the prison yard what was the prison yard.
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And I called her up. Now I'm excited.
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I'm calling you from the prison yard of Shawshank. And
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then I was taking pictures of the prison and some
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other dude that was a band was taking pictures of prison.
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He goes, hey, can you take my picture? I'll take
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your picture. Look at us. We're fanboying out on Shawshank Prison.
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And that's really it. I'm more fanboying about the prison
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than any band playing, one hundred percent.
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It's so sick.
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We're just we're stoked to experience like all these when
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we'refests and just see how different they are, and like
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how the culture is and it's just been so good.
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So we're happy to be here.
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It is wild how different the festivals are too, right,
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because I do all the Wimmer festivals and it's a
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different vibe at everyone, and that's what I really like
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about it. You're not going to the same festival every time.
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What do you guys think? Uh, what what else do
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you want to add about your experience here in prison?
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Are you excited to be in prison? Did you bring
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your soap on the rope.
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Definitely won't be dropping it, but I'm definitely I'm really
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I'm really stoked to be here, and I'm a big
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Shawshank fan myself, so I think after these interviews were
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definitely gonna go take.
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A little tour.
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I heard they like lock you in a cell for
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a little bit, turn the lights off, and like apparently
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you like feel like ghosts all around.
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It's a it is normal experience.
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It is haunted here, so when you do the like
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the blood prison thing, you're not really sure if when
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you're getting haunted it's one of the characters or a
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real ghost.
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Okay, that's kind of the alert to it.
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You know.
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It's a cool experience. But in terms of the Whimmer festivals, yeah,
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we've been very stoked.
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We played three of them.
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Now, we played Louder than Life, Welcome to Rockville, then
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now this one, and uh, it's just been each one
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of them is an incredible experience. So we're just really
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happy to be here and hopefully we can play a
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bunch more nice.
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What do you think about driving on the Daytona Speedway
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to go do your set?
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That was wild to me.
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I never I never saw one before to see how
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like angled. It was like, you have to be going
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so fast not to just fall in that it's crazy eighty.
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You have to go a minimum of eighty to make
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that turn and not fall off the wall. And then
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also so like I live in Florida, so that's the
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one that I drive to. And I told Christine, who
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I introduced you to before that runs media here, I'm like, hey,
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I got my skateboard in the cheap well, I lose
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my media credential if I skateboard down the wall And
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she's like, yeah, probably, Okay, I'll wait till after it's over.
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I was thinking the same thing because I brought my
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board on that tour and I was like, man, I
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want to bring it out there so bad, but like,
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what's gonna happen to me if I do?
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You know, listen, you look at that wall. It's not
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what it looks like on TV. And definitely if I
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went down the wall my board I would have broken
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many bones.
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Yeah, I probably would have would have eaten sher real bad.
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How about you? How you feel being here? Except how
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that's fucking hell?
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I feel I feel good. I want some ghost to bussy.
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I'm trying to get some ghost bussy here, all right?
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You know anything about that? I don't know if there
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were women in this uh ah man, oh wait wait,
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I'm gonna get cranked. I just thought of something.
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There is a ghost in here that is possibly the
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warden's wife.
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I'll take it. So there you go. It's an easy
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sound on tour. I know, right, how about you? What's
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your favorite part of being here.
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I'm a big music guy and tech guy, and I
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don't know. I just I just love that whole aspect
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of it. Obviously, the prison's really sick, and I'm stoked
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to go on a ghost tour too. But the whole
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thing has been uh incredible.
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Oh look at what he did there.
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That woo I'm cut that cut, that cut that everyone
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booth this man, Oh my god, yeah totally.
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Actually that was pretty good.
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I'm keeping that that's gonna be one of my like
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that'll be like one of the reels.
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I'll make a reel out of that good good, love it.
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It'll be on TikTok, just repeating over and over again.
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That'll be if not for me, his viral moment right there.
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So each of you tell me how this all happened, Like,
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you know, how did music become your life and how
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did togetherness music become your life?
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Yeah, for me, I got into music a little bit
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later than I wish I would have.
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I was probably like fourteen or fifteen or.
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So, what are you doing? Well?
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I was I was a sports kid growing up, No
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was I, but yeah, shilted me.
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I was a big.
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Sports kid, and I like grew up on like nineties country,
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which I still love, but like I didn't really know
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what any of this stuff was. And then when I
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was like fourteen or fifteen, I went to like a
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local show at a rec center in my little town.
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I didn't know what it was, Like my friends were going,
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so I was like, Okay, I'll go. And it was
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the band that played was Texas in July, and they
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were just like ripping it for these like thirty kids
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in this rec center and it was the coolest thing
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I had ever seen in my life. And like from
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then on it was just like all metalcore. Like I
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got a guitar, I started playing in bands, and it
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was just that was life changing for me.
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It was the first time I had ever.
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Heard like screaming vocals and like heavy stuff and like
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it was been in a mosh pit and like all
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that kind of stuff, and it was like a door
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opened for me.
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That'll definitely do it. Number one, number two, like it.
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Nobody really understands until you get in that first mosh
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pit what that does for you.
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Absolutely.
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So when I was young, I actually wasn't into music
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at all until I was like eighteen, I didn't play
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any instruments. I was really into a lot of the
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early metalcore happening at the time. I think that's what
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got me to like really want to start playing music.
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music is because I had an old neighbor was this
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old guy who like used to play like blues guitar
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and stuff, and he ended up passing away, but he
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left his guitar to me. So that's how I started
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playing guitar. And then from there I just you know,
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made some local bands with some friends. Those things kind
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of fell through. Eventually met Hayden where he asked me
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to join if not for me, and I've been in
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the band ever since and I would not look back.
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How about you?
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So for me, I actually I started with the saxophone
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when I was in like uh, I was in like
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fourth grade. Actually, my wanted to play drums. My parents
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wouldn't let me for whatever reason. And then eventually I
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just kind of started doing it anyway, and my grandparents
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got me a drum kid. Then I remember my dad
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took me to go see August Burne read. We were
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at Myrtle Beach and we were playing. They were playing
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at the House of Blues and I just remember watching that.
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I've never seen anything like it. It just kind of
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changed my life. I just remember looking at that being like,
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that is what I want to do. I don't know
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how I'm gonna do it, but I'm gonna do that.
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So started playing drums more and more, started to make
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a I made a band in high school. It went
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all throughout college and stuff. Then that wan broke up,
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made new band, that band broke up, started booking shows,
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started doing all sorts of other things, like working in
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the music industry. I met Hayden from him doing sounds.
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I met Patty and Zach from other bands they were in.
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and we're playing a incarceration stuff. That was the short
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Here's a that is badass up to you now.
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my own stuff too, and eventually I started listening to
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shine down, stuff like that.
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Love it, love it.
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mosh pit, it was August Burn's Red.
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