Kid Bookie Chats With Pipeman Radio About Rose McGowan (feat. Rose McGowan)

0:04 Hi, you donto censure. I'm w for see wow for you young. A thick picture, Benn, And I'm the post. Everyone should know people want to try out up the gun inside of the house. Ap she should show. How close criggle a home. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I am very excited about our next guest because man just released a killer single yesterday, and uh, I love the whole story about and what he's about.

0:50 So let's welcome to the show, kid Bookie. How are you? I'm wonderful, my friend, mister Pipman, how. You I'm doing great, doing great, I gotta say right off the too. I was laughing because I saw an interview that Rose and You did where you were talking about McDonald's and yeah that was cool. So McDonald's and recording. So how did this all happen? How did this all start? Tell us the story? I guess it's weird. I'm a I'm a you know, I'm a big collaborator, and I'm known for I'm known for sometimes pulling out things at the bag that I guess not many would do, but if they had the position, I always think they should have done it, you.

1:36 Know, yeah, yeah, you know. So I guess. You know, I'm making a project. I've got loads of friends on this project, you know, and I guess I'm blessed and fortunate enough to have those types of friends. But I thought I had this idea for a record that I wanted to name genuinely just Rose mc gown. I didn't know Rose at the time. Like, I was like, I have this song of the named Rose mc gowan, because you know, it wasn't just about people, you know, making a person's name of the song for any reason or you know, for buzzwords. You know, we've got so many people that just put a woman's name of a song just to make. That ship pop. But I was like, I was like, oh good bad. I was like stop it. So I was like, a sorry, sorry.

2:27 That's all right. That I don't know if it's a he or she but wants to be on the show is the. Problem clearly clearly does. But ultimately it was just getting like I just wanted to make a song with someone who's like a monolith in this culture and aligned myself with them on the record if I could, And the alchemy brought it to fruition, So what can you do about the universe and putting that sentiments that come. Right back to you. I know, man, it's so badass and what a great song. And see the song also brings me back to you know, like decades ago of how music was longer, and you kind of went on a journey and it's like you didn't even know what to expect. Like you take the old school metal, you really didn't know what to expect.

3:20 You took a song like Battery by Metallica, and if you listen to it for only ten seconds, you missed the shocker in that came writer, you know. And I felt that same way about this song. I'm listening to it and then all of a sudden it turns into this like brutal screaming. That was so badass And I just love combining like the melody with the brutal metal and just bending all the genres to make something unique. I think if you're not well, too many just might be their first introduction to me, especially if they are more, you know, just fans of Rose McGowan away from music.

4:04 And but this is a thesis I play with in all of my stuff, you know, this is like pure identity. This is not. It's not hard, and it's like it's natural because I'm a student of the game. So coming into this game and studying it first and foremost, but also being able to be friends of the people that have taught me a lot of what I've known in this music industry, is like, how can I not mix them so affluently? You know, they're both literally genome patterns in my coding. Man, Like, they're like my, my, you split, my you split my wrist notes come out of that ship, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, I'm that's what's what I believe. So it's like I'm the I'm the generation that grew up on such an amalgamation of sounds. It's like, it's almost you're doing yourself a disservice to not pay homage to the to the to what's in you.

4:52 No doubt, and that's why I love about you. From everything I've seen, You're like just true to yourself. You don't really care what anybody thinks. You're gonna be true to your own values. More I began to start caring just a little bit. I'll be real with you. I had to I went too far into the no Fox given and I had to come back. I know, right, Sometimes that does happen, but you know it's still You're still being real and you're still being you. And I think that's what's so cool about this song because I think Rose is super cool and the fact that you guys collaborated for something that I think it's like been six years since she's even written any lyrics.

5:32 Yeah, it's you know it is. You know, sometimes I have to detach myself from like Kid Bookie, the artists and kind of put myself back into Tyrone, the normal dude that you know, who was just a civilian on earth, like you know, the orgasm that won the race, that's what I am. So like, I have to sometimes go, wait a minute, you know where I come from in South London, you don't. I didn't know anybody, Like there's nobody I didn't know anybody, like you know what I'm saying. It's literally it was just me and and and the whistle of the wind. And you know, so I guess I do sometimes when I do step back and take look at the triumphs, but it's hard to sometimes count them, like I'm really weird. I don't like I don't like to get excited too much because I know how quick excitement runs out. But that's because I'm experiencing my industry like I've had it, ole and I've had it, I've had nothing.

6:22 So I'm like, all right, let me, let me focus and be very well. It's not even about being humble, because humble is such a weird word, but it's humility through the sections like cool, we've done this thing. You you you can pull this together. So you clearly are you have you know what I mean, You have your magic in you. You can pull things together, whether or not you have to make people believe in your magic's a whole other level of magic itself. But yeah, you know, to be able. To bring people out of their I would say their own brain, because the reality is it was just her choice and not you know. It is it is being inside your own head exactly. And you know, I get what you're saying too, because there's pipe Man and then there's Dean. Okay and Dean.

7:10 Even my ex wife confuses it, okay, Like she'll listen to my radio show and she'll be like, she'll call one of my kids, what the fuck happeny your father blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then she thinks I'm like this different person. It's like there's there's multiple facets of our personality, you know, and like and I think that's the way everybody should be personally. I joke around on the show and I say I'm schizophrenic, but really it's just normal. You have different sides of you and different roles you play in your life, you know, in general. Is every moment of mood and shade of who you are, you know, And I think that's what I guess.

7:51 It's weird. And I always say I relate to the crazy. So if you are one of the craziest, so you know. Well they always say I track the crazies. So are the same wavelength. Guys, We're walking a very fine line of schizophrenia. So you know, it's and that's the thing. I'm so emboldened in my individuality, not to not just to serve it as this lawless, go fuck yourself mantra, but but but knowing that a lot of people project so much upon you that you start to rewire your own brain signapses to other people, thinking where I've you know, I've had to really fight hard to trust myself more than anyone else because people make you not trust yourself and the only person you should trust. You need to learn to trust yourself because you have to make decisions every day through whether they're choices of desperation, choices of happiness, sadness, whatever.

8:50 You need to be very centered when you're going, when you're not, when you're. Not even centered, So you know, learning to be, like I said, operating through all of these places and knowing who I want to be because I have been every shade of a man I don't want to be. So I like painting from the palette of the colors that I choose to be today, you know, I love and so yeah, it's nice to have people recognize that that that you know that I don't even know if it's just being yourself, man, but it's like that many people are, they're lost because everyone keep telling they listen to everyone telling them how to be, but most people don't. Even listen to their own advice. So I don't want to tell nobody had to be. I would always just say, take what's natural to you and manipulate it for.

9:33 Yourself and people can tell. People can tell when you're being natural or if you're being what other people want you to be type of thing. And you know, I do want to clarify because even though you have you know you or you and you don't give a fuck, but you do give a fuck. You just give a fucking the right places. And that's why I have a song like this like Rose McGowan and actually feature McGowan in it, because she's somebody that does give a fuck about a lot of things. And that tells me something about you, because you guys wouldn't be clabbing unless you did give a fuck, but you give a fuck about the right things, like human beings.

10:15 Oh you know what, Like it's she's a she's she's her own beast, you know, And I'm my own beast too, And I think I think the I think that's what allows us to kind of get on, because you know, we're not just trying to appease each other's happiness when you're not even like when it's just like hey hey, hey, hey hey, you know that's like I don't have those relationships with anybody, so we are, you know, And I guess me being a very extreme character sometimes from the jump. I always say, you will know where you sit with me, and I'll probably know where I sit with you, just because you know, we're not just a bag of bones. We are vibing frequency. You know, we have brains for certain reasons. So you know, it's it's it's you know, and I try not to assume, so I won't assume who you are about them, but with five and it's will allow me to create a nice picture and run with the that potential picture as a sterity, you know. But so Roses, you know, we we are We're very linear and relative in that kind of facet of just we're very open towards each other, whether we both like it or not.

11:16 But that's the power of growth. It's knowing that it's not about what you both like or not. It's just about the betterment of remove ourselves from something and what is the betterment of this thing we're doing. And you know that's that's an enjoyable prospect for anyone you want to work with. I agree with that million percent just in general, Like I just think I did a Poston the other day because of course, you know, all the bullshit going on in my country and it's like people. Just like if people aren't intentionally harming other people, accept them for who they are and you know, get to know them for who they are and opposed to who you want them to be. You know, like you said, was intent?

11:58 Yeah, exactly, exactly. And the fact that the matter is is we all come from different backgrounds, different upbringings, different geographics, different influences, friends, variables, family, that we're all going to have different opinions about things. Maybe we could learn from each other instead of fighting with each other because we don't agree, you know. And I think people should speak their mind. If they have good intentions, they should speak their mind, whether you agree with them or not. And that's the thing. I think everyone likes to know it all right, So no one's got room to learn anything because people think they're operating from their level of understanding in their place of thinking. That sometimes, depending on how you think, might put a guard up to you thinking how you absorb other people's thinking. I'm very open, Like you know, the man on the street with nothing can teach me a lot, not just because he's got nothing. But I don't even know what he's saying or what his thoughts are. But when you get into the when you get into speaking, speaking is just a flow state of consciousness, and the more people becomes when you speak, the more you start to understand about them, and the more you learn.

13:03 So I'm always open to learning. Like I'm I think, I guess. People always said to me, like my my biggest problem in this industry is that I'm so And maybe it is, but I'm so like I don't. I'm not like no matter what depresses say about me or I'm the this thing, I'm I'm just a dude with scars on his body, like I never. I'm not out here to be famous. I don't give a fuck about Hollywood. I don't care about the mannerisms I need to keep for someone to take a photo and looking I don't give a fuck. I'll put my asshole out there on the camera and probably far whilst doing it, you know, so. Like you like, don't like, and that will make the person who's who's trying to be the glass frame without the crack fucking fall over and shatter to a thousand pieces.

13:45 But sometimes they need that because I hate fucking perfect shit and I don't want to be around it. I don't want to associate with it. I enjoy the visceral nature of human beings and all of their forms. If you're a bit unhinged, and you know, find out where where it places best and just learn how you learn your method to your chaos or method to your madness. I'm a man who's lived in so much chaos that I found peace in it. But now it's more like I don't want to. I'm not even angry like that anymore. So I'm more like, it's just nice to It's nice to operate from places of thinking and states of being where they are just literally from a neutral place, and I don't add any disdain, malice or whatever my intent is. I do my best.

14:26 I try not to assume, I don't take anything personal and blah blah blah blah blah. I might fail tomorrow, but as long as I keep remembering, it allows me to keep reshaping those thoughts I have to go through and paint from this palette I said, I want to be you. Know, I love it. It's so true too, because like when we live in chaos, which I have too, it's like you become comfortable with it and then it isn't until you decide not to live in that chaos that you realize how uncomfortable it was. You think you were comfortable. Yeah, oh my god, yes yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but everyone aids you because sometimes your chaos is what's bringing their their pleasure because oh.

15:10 Yeah, they don't want you to change, they don't want I know people in my life when I've made changes that were better for me, they didn't like it because it wasn't better for them. Unfamiliar, right, So we like familiarity in patterns, and humans live in patterns, and when you break a pattern, they there's no fault to jump to because they normally jump to the next sport. But I don't mind scattering my thoughts around and kind of reshaping what ways I need to think because everything al needs a different tandem, you know. Yeah, so yeah it is, it's weird. It's not weird at all. Actually it's quite simple. But we are around people that enjoy putting complex scenarios in the simple situations when all they require is sometimes yes or no exactly.

15:54 And this is all This is why you're such a true artist, Because to me, the artists at last are the ones that think like you. They're not the ones looking to get rich and famous. They're not the ones looking to become a celebrity. Usually it's the exact opposite. You know. You take somebody like Kurt Cobain, he hated it, and you know he would rather just sit in the hotel room and play his guitar with Courtney, you know, instead of being out there with everybody like, oh my god, oh my god. And that's the truth, dude. I get vetted every single time people want me to be on something, and I just literally like, you know, the more you've just done this to me, the more you've made my brain oppose everything you've just told. And it's like, I hate it, but was just like almost molding a shape of you to be presented to people for a wider taste.

16:43 But I'm like, you don't know what they want. You have no idea what people want, and you can't decide that until they've given it. Because you can hand people two folks that look like exactly the same and one might just have a small point at the top, and it's like it's just their preference, don't fucking know, you know what I'm saying. And it's like, so most of the time, I've always been like, ah. Bookie, like can you And I'm like no, no, because every time I leave the thing that you told me I shouldn't been doing, you sitting in the game that was amazing, And I'm like, you're so used to conventional bullshit that when you really get shit, that's not bullshit. And it's just shit with no sugar on top of it, not shit coated sugar. It's just a pile of shit and it's just there for you to look at without having to question and put under the microscope.

17:31 It's just shit. People don't know what to fucking do because they want to explain this shit. They want to explain the ridges off the edge of that fucking pooh, and it's just shit, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I love it, but I will say Rose McGowan featuring Rose McGowan is definitely not shit. It's a badass song and everybody's gonna check it out. How do they connect to you on socials, on the web, how they get the new song? Check out all your other stuff. You've also done a lot of other great collapse and some great songs with Corey Taylor, So let's share with everybody how they can connect to you, and we could make this message even bigger and stronger.

18:13 You can connect to me by just I don't know, clicking my handle and having a gander upon the pages of the content I have to put out and the selective little writings are put on Twitter and making a big formation of who I potentially can be. And then you can message me in and I'll respond longer, and then you go, ah, now I've got a little personal thing into it. And then all of a sudden you've got a parasocial relationship. But there we go. That's where you can catch me, or you can just find me on the streets lingering finding out what's going on. There you go, well, do you have any final words for our listeners that we haven't covered larray that you want to let them know that's coming up? And of course, oh, we didn't talk about that. Your tour as well.

18:57 I am not currently got any tours in the pipeline, but when I when I do, they'll be announced nice. So everybody connect connect on socials to kid Bookie so you can see when that tour is gonna happen, and uh so you can see all the new music and everything. And thanks a lot for you know, giving a what I call a positive voice to the world when we need it most. And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipemin. Then you look into W Bourdy Radio with the Pipeline make It Bookie, go walking stills but don't do it.

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