Oct. 27, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Canadian Instrumental Prog-Metal Band Phaeton

PipemanRadio Interviews Canadian Instrumental Prog-Metal Band Phaeton

Phaeton (October 24th) of our third album "Neurogenesis," Guest appearance from former Dream Theater keyboardist Derek Sherinian (on the single "Isochron"). Phaeton formed in 2017 in the Rocky Mountain resort town of Kimberley, British Columbia. Our...

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Phaeton (October 24th) of our third album "Neurogenesis,"

Guest appearance from former Dream Theater keyboardist Derek Sherinian (on the single "Isochron").

Phaeton formed in 2017 in the Rocky Mountain resort town of Kimberley, British Columbia. Our drummer Colin had worked with Kevin and Dan and I in separate earlier metal bands and he gathered us all together to create something exciting and unique. Which ended up being all-instrumental progressive metal, akin to Animals As Leaders or Scale The Summit or Intervals, although we draw further influence from artists such as Rush, Mastodon, Gojira, Between the Buried and Me, Devin Townsend, and Dream Theater. We're somewhat insular and work in-house, with Kevin being our recording engineer and producer - our recorded output features crystalline sharpness, but we're a much heavier live act in person. We're currently promoting the imminent release (October 24th) of our third album "Neurogenesis," which features a guest appearance from former Dream Theater keyboardist Derek Sherinian (on the single "Isochron"). Phaeton have shared the stage with such metal notables as Anciients, Bison, and Beyond Creation, and we make friends wherever we go. Phaeton are looking forward to further touring both across Canada and internationally. 

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Hi, you have done to censure w C WOW for

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you young. This is the pipe Man here on the

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Adventures pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And I'm

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very excited because we have, like I do, a lot

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of bands from Canada because their music is so good.

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I never really understand you have artists in Canada that

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don't need nine members at a band, and we get

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make a fuller sound than nine members would. So we're

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going to talk about that with our guest here from

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the band Theton How are you very good?

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I'm very good. Thank you very much Dean for hosting

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me today.

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Hey, my my pleasure. And yeah, it's so true. Like, okay,

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so I tend to think that most prague or prog

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metal comes from Canada anyway, because you guys are like

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the greatest musicians. I don't know if it's because you know,

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your weather's so cold for most of the year that

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you're just stuck inside well learning music.

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Well, well that's part of it. I mean, like you

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have to realize that you know, like, well we're not

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you know, an antarctic wasteland or anything like that, but

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still with Canadian weather, Yeah, you've got five months of

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winter and then you've got seven months of bad sledding,

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so and so again. Yeah, I mean that's the faster

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you can play, the warm your hands stay.

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So there you go.

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It's like, yes, there's very much, Yes, climactic inspiration. That's

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a key part of it. But it's funny you should

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say that though, because I mean, like we take a

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lot of inspiration from I mean, I mean, yes, a

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lot of prog metal getting made here in Canada, that's

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for certain, but we take inspiration from American Prog Medal

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and European Prog Medal.

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See. It's always like that, I find out because like

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I go all over the world doing radio coverage at

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music festivals, and it's so wild to hear other people's perspectives,

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Like even at like I do a couple of festivals

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in the UK, and I talk about how like when

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I was a teenager in the eighties, all I wanted

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to do was go to London because of the punk scene.

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And then I talked to my friends there and they're like,

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all we wanted to do is come to the States

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for the punk scene, and I'm just like, it's just

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so wild the perspective from every area. We always it's

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just human nature. We want to be somebody else.

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The grass is always greener on the other side of

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the Atlantic.

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Right right. And you know you brought up a good

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point before that I always think about too, is when

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it is cold out, how the hell do people play

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their instruments? Like, you know, if you were to play

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a festival and it's freezing outside and you're in an

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open air festival, there's got to be the hardest thing

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in the world to play any guy of instrument.

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Oh it is. But luckily my wife's a knitter and

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so she knitted me a whole bunch of pairs of

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special fingertipless gloves. Wow, actually do for that, because I

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mean I live in the Canadian Rockies and so during

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the winter time there's lots of gigs to be had at,

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you know, the ski resorts, which ye have quite a

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bit of on the British Columbia side of the Rockies

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and the Alberta side of the Rockies. But of course,

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I mean, it's not fun when it's below freezing and

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you know, you're like three thousand feet above sea level.

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But hey, you don't have gig will travel, But yeah,

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you got to be able to have you know, nervous

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sensation below your elbows. Right, so hey, it's the frontier

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spirit man, improvise, adapt and overcome no doubt.

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And then you know, it's funny because they're going on

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tour now. But I mean, to me, Rush is like

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probably the original, even though they don't probably consider themselves

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as way prog metal band to me, you know, because

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to me, that first album was totally metal, oh for sure. Oh.

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I mean like it's like how whenever you interview the

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surviving members of Black Sabbath, right, they never considered Black

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Sabbath to be a heavy metal band, right? I mean

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like that term was invented by journalists a couple of

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years down the road when they noticed that certain elements

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of post psychedelic you know, hard rock was moving into

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darker and more you know, scarier territory. And the same

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with Rush, right, I mean you got to I mean, Rush,

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of course, are Canadian legends and icons, and I'm so

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glad they've finally gotten their due after being crapped on

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by most of the so called knowledgeable critics for so

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many decades. Right, but no, like when they like when

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they first evolved, especially when you heard their first album

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and they were more of like a derivative led Zeppelin,

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who sounding kind of band, right yeah, And then when

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Neil Peart joined the band, that's when they became a

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progressive rock band. And that's when they began combining elements

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of seven what you know, what was nineteen seventies heavy

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metal into seventies progressive rock. And no, they'd never really

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considered themselves prog medal, but of course all of us,

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who well I'll speak for most of the Canadian contingent

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of the metal world, you couldn't avoid Rush and again,

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like you were inspired by them right right, you know,

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I mean you had a singer that sounded like a

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cross between Robert Plant and Donald Duck, you know, and

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again and the guy redefined what you could do on

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the bass guitar, at least as far as I was concerned.

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You know, you had Alex Lifson, who was born in

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our neighboring town of Fernie, British Columbia. Have to nice

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so you know, so the Coutineys you know, take Rush

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to heart quite a bit. And you know Neil Pierre

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right like tractor salesman by day, percussion god by night,

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right and so yeah, I mean especially like some of

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their albums, like you know, there there their late seventies

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work like you know, like a farewell to Kings and Hemispheres,

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those kind of albums were really there, their prog Pinnacle

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moving pictures as well. But like, but it's great because

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to talk about how fearless a band was. That was

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a band that was flying the prog flag in the

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late seventies when most of the classic prog artists were

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getting their careers killed by the punk rockers. And you know,

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and Prague became a dare I say four letter word, right?

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But no, hey, like it's it's better now, right, I

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mean with the twenty first century and the rise of

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the Internet, and now there's no more monoculture, right, Like,

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there's no more there's no more passing fads or phases

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the way it was in the nineteen nineties when you

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couldn't admit you were a heavy metal fan because all

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the grungeers cut your throats, you know. And it's like

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and now it's like anything goes and everything goes, and

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there are huge worldwide audiences for any style of metal,

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whether you're a prog artist or a metal artist or whatever.

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And it's great. It's you know, musical democracy at work,

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and we love it.

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I love it too, because I do come from the

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gatekeeper shit.

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You know.

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The eighties was the pinnacle of gatekeeping, like, oh well

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you can like one band and like another band. It

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wasn't even just genre.

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It was like, oh yeah, yeah, well that kind of

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tribalism doesn't even exist much anymore. I mean you do

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come across a lot of you know, like upity and

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annoying metal fans that you know, say that I like

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metal and nothing else. And maybe to a certain point

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you can say that because now there are so many

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divisions and sub genres of heavy metal that a lot

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of times it's hard to keep track. Yeah, but I

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mean speak of the point of view of me and

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the other guys who are in faton. It's like we

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don't want to be one dimensional, right, I mean like

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if the term progressive rock means anything goes and proge

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is what you make of it, it's like you can

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draw inspirations from anywhere you see fit as long as

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you make it work. And uh, and yeah, I'm glad

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those gatekeeping days are gone.

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To it's just oh it's stupid. I couldn't go to

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punk shows because I had long hair, you know, and

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vice versa, you know, and it was just like it's

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just stupid, like whatever you want to like. And for

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all those metal heads that say they only like metal,

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I call bullshit because if you really like music, there's

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all there may be music you don't like, but there's

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playing different types of music you like, depending on what

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you're doing, your vibe, you're feeling whatever.

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Oh I agree. Like for example, Colin Wrighton who is

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he's our drummer and he's super super good. I mean

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we rely on him because you know, he's always glued

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to you know, what's being released on band camp, you know,

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every three days and he's like, hey, have you have

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you heard Bludgeoned copra Phagist or something like that, And

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I'm like, uh no, and he'll say check it out.

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And but Colin's also a big Tom Petty fan and

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he makes no bones about it. So I mean, like,

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you know, and you've got you know, Kevin Teeson, who

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is our one of our lead guitarists and he's also

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our keyboardist. Like he's huge into like the seventies prog

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bands and the eighties neo prog bands like me but

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he also has a soft spart because he's a Genesis fan.

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He has no bones being a Phil Collins fan, right,

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or Huey Lewis in the news or whatever. And yeah,

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you're right. When I was a junior high school kid,

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you couldn't have Metallica albums or Huey Lewis albums on

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the same shelf. Otherwise you just got torn apart. But again,

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like and you don't even need to be a prog

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musician or a metal musician. I mean, just be a

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music lover. And yeah, you're gonna and it's all subjective

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as far as your music tastes go. Right, You're gonna

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have stuff you like and stuff you don't like. But ultimately,

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whatever you consider to be good music or bad music,

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it's entirely up to you.

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That's so true, because everybody has different tastes and it

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should be okay, you should as well as you like music.

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I don't care what kind of music you like. It's

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the people that don't like music I worry about.

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Well, no, like they're sociopaths. Right, You're going to stay

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away with those people, otherwise your severed head is gonna

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end up in the refrigerators.

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No doubt, no doubt. And it's funny because I have

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a brother his ex wife she didn't like music at all, and.

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That's why she's an ex wife, right, And she was.

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Definitely very emotionless, you know, And that's what sociopaths are.

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I think that, and I think that's music is all

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emotion and all passion, and like it's the best therapy

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there is. And as far as Prague goes to me,

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progue just means really good musicianship. That's really what it

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means to me.

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Well, and that's the thing too. And again, like and

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here's how we get into the four of us get

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into long conversations about this, right because a lot of

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times when you talk about we talk about our identities

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as a prog musician, it's almost like we spend too

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much time defending ourselves. Right, It's all right, but again, like, yeah, okay,

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you need like be good at your instrument, just like

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be good at baking a cake, be good at be

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good at hanging a door. Right, Like like nobody wants

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to eat a badly cooked cake, Nobody wants to walk

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in and out of a badly hung door, and like

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nobody wants to hear awful music unless they're being polite

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at an open mic and friends friends on stage and

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you and then you carefully say, hey man, good set. Right,

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But it's like but again, like you don't there comes

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a time when the chops have to end and the

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music needs to begin, right, I mean like it does.

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Here's the deal. I went to music school. You know

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whooped de do? Okay. I went to the same music

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school that Kevin Teeson did, and you know, we were

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like ten years apart attending it. But still it's like,

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you know, jazz was the curriculum because it was complicated

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and harmonically deep and all the rest of it. And

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I'm not a jazz fan. Kevin isn't a jazz fan.

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We appreciated the you know, the structure of it and

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gave you know, respect to the people who were doing it.

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And it's like anything else, right when you're going to

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an art school, you take what you want and you

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leave the rest. So it just made us better, well badest,

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better metal players. It made us better you know, prog players,

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because again, like I got into actually taking the step

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from being just a music lover as a kid actually

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being a musician because I was inspired by Metallica's and

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Justice Farrall album. And I was inspired by you know,

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the Pink Floyd albums of the nineteen seventies, and I

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was inspired by you know a bunch of other things,

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like a lot of like the rising thrash metal of

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the nineteen eighties. Plus like that's my bands and bands

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like Rush and all that kind of stuff. Like that's

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what made me want to learn how to operate one

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of these stupid bass guitars. Right, and you figure, ah,

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four springs, no chords, how hard could it be? And

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then you find out how deep of a well it

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actually is. Right, But again, like and I mean, I'm

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not the best bass player. I'm a good bass player,

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and I do my best to play my best, but

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I'm also you got to be musical. You got to

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be melodic, and when you're writing stuff like this, you've

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got to you have to have an idea for song structure,

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and you have to have rise and fall. You have

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to have dynamic pulse. You have to have you know,

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the tide goes in, the tides go out. Sometimes, Yeah,

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you got to pound people on the head for five

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minutes straight, but sometimes you can do an atmospheric you know,

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an atmospheric interlude or what have you. And with us

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because we're an all instrumental band and you know, our

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songs aren't written as vehicles for lyrical storytelling. It's just

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like any other instrumental rock band you've ever heard in

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your life. Like, the instruments have to do the singing. Yeah,

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the instruments have to make memorable melodies which hopefully the

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listener will remember and happily hum away under their breath,

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you know, like when they least expect it. And just

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I mean, yeah, there's a difference between masturbation and music, okay,

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and you know, and it's just like and again like

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and again like that not what we're doing isn't alien

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or weird, right, I mean you take a look at

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like modern modern artists like Animals as Leaders is a

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good example, right, or scale the summit or intervals among

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others who maybe be more maybe are more underground. But

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again it's just like if you have I guess, yeah,

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if you have an ear for all whatever styles of

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instrumental music, but if you like hearing you know, rock

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band format, a drum kit, a bass guitar, two lead

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guitars and maybe an occasional keyboard. Then you've got a

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good chance of understanding what we do, and hopefully you'll

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go beyond just understanding what we do and you'll just

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enjoy what with the music we write.

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Well. To me, like music without lyrics a lot of

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times takes you on journey and you're not really distracted

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by the lyrics. You just lose yourself. Like you mentioned

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Pink Floyd, you take a lot of Pink Floyd and

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you'll forget there's lyrics because it'll go through this whole

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instrumental phase, you know, and you're just like you're off

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somewhere else and then all of a sudden the lyrics

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to them in or like with Rush in twenty one twelve,

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you know, it's like by time Temple of Searings comes

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into play, you've already been on pretty long journey without

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any lyrics, you know. Type of thing.

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Well true and again like yeah, it's about creating soundscapes.

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I mean, you take a look at a band like

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Pink Floyd, who was you know, the first band I

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fell in love with when I was fourteen, right, and

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I was inspired to buy all their recorded output and

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just you know, lived with those albums for like a

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year or two before I discovered heavy metal for real.

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It's like, as far as the prog, as far as

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the classic British prog bands of the seventies go, the

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guys in Pink Floyd weren't necessarily the most you know,

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technically wizardish of the of their instruments David Gilmore notwithstanding.

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But again, like they knew how to create somepes, and

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they knew how to create you know, like a they

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they knew how to make repetition not dull, and they

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knew how to create again take you on an emotional journey. Yeah,

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and you know, and some of their best work like

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again like Animals, their nineteen seventy seven album that's probably

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still my favorite of.

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The first one I got exposed to. But it was

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because of a girl. All road to a female.

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Well there you go. And again like and especially because

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you know, everyone like a lot of they're more you know,

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a lot of the more snarky critics of Prague like

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to write off Progue as being pretty much a sausage

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fest and you know, and like a you know, no

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girls allowed. Well, yeah, the girls are allowed, and the

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girls do like Prague. You know, it's like you know,

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it's got to open your eyes and realize, oh, there's

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a female with a black T shirt at this concert,

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which is wise of the black T shirt at this concert.

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You know it's a but yeah, yeah, animals stupendous right,

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Like they're their angriest album, their fieriest album, their most

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politically charged album. As far as the storytelling, you know,

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again like using Orwellian metaphor to describe the human condition.

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And yeah, it's like again that we're not a burst

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of singing. I mean, I mean I sing well, and

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Daniel sings well, Daniel Earth, our other lead guitarist. But again,

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at the moment, we're just happy to let our instruments

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do the singing. And you know, and we've got lots

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of good music on this third album that we've just released.

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And you know, I gotta say the first of all,

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you mentioned jazz and you mentioned thrash, and it makes

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me instantly think of that Megadeth could easily have no

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words to their music because Mustain's jazzy metal guitar playing

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says a whole story in and of itself.

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I agree with you completely. I mean again, rust in

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Peace was a huge album for me in my formative

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years and it's still my favorite Megadeth album like to

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this day. And even when you just like take a

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look at a song like Holy Wars the Punishment do

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if that isn't a prog metal song, what is right?

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And again, like you know, especially when you have when

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you have a counterpart with Dave Mustaine, again a brilliant

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guitarist unto himself, but when you're working with a god

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like Marty Friedman as well. You know, again my favorite

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lineup of Megadeath. And again like if you know, if

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if that irascable Dave just you know, just was probably

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a little easier to deal with, you know, I mean,

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like you if he had kept that lineup alive for

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you know, half a dozen more albums, who knows like

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what those guys could have created. But again I'm happy

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for rust in Peace. And yes, you're absolutely right. I

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mean Dave Mustaine certainly didn't lack for imagination during you know,

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when he wants to be imaginative, right, And you know,

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and again like you know, there's when you hear his

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guitar playing, you know it's him.

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Oh yeah, no doubt and for sure, and yeah.

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I wouldn't be doing this if it hadn't been for

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Megadeth being one of my early influences, that's for certain.

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Well, yeah, I was at Mentauka's first show ever, and

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actually my Stan came off the stage and started talking

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to me and.

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Well, are you talking like you're you're talking like.

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In La in La and like eighty one one me

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to something like that in La. It's all it's all

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like a swirl. So many years ago, five years old,

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I was actually probably thirteen maybe, and no one checked you.

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No one I d do you, No one car died

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you at the door. No.

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In fact, it's funny when I go in Rainbow nowadays

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and I look at the guy card and everybody at

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the door, I'm like, Hin the hell did I ever

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get Because I was in the Rainbow like every night,

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hanging out with Lemmy and Motley Crue and people like that.

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That's awesome.

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I'm like, oh, I know how I got in. I

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just walked over there with Motley Crue and you just

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walked in. It's a different time way back then, for sure.

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Like I couldn't imagine some of the shenanigans of those

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years that I lived being available to kids today.

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No, definitely, different times. Tell me a little more about

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that show, though. Ron mcgoverny was on base with Yeah,

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with that, how were they?

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I instantly became a thrash metal head and there was

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no such thing as thrash medal yet. So you know,

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I my dad moved me to LA in nineteen eighty,

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perfect time. And you know, my first club show ever

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was at the Roxy on the Sunset Strip. That was

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Motley Crue before they ever had an album. They were

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horror punk. They weren't glam yet.

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And then so the Misfits.

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Pretty much, and they tried to light the Roxy on

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fire to bring Satan in. And I remember going to

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that show, I know, right, and I remember going to

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that show. Coming at her. I'm like, oh my god,

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I'm never going to a real concert again. Like that

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was my first club show. I was like, I'm only

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doing this. But then you know, LA got weird with

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starting to go to the glam and all that, and

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and so you had bands like Metallica up here, Slayer

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up here, you know, and that's the bands that I

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got into. But that first show of the Metallica is

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it's it's funny shows. How stupid your as far as

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value of things when you were a kid. Because Mustaine

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comes up to me, starts talking to me, and he

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hands me a business card and it said Metallica power

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Metal because they were power metal for a minute, there

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was no thrash word. Dave Mustain and like everybody always

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asks me when I if I tell that story or

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like do you have it today? I'm like, fuck no,

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I could throw it away. I'm like, well I need

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this shit for you know, because I was a stupid kid,

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you know.

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But who knows. I mean, you didn't know that you

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could sell that for five hundred bucks on eBay, you.

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Know, right, there were only like twenty five people at

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that show or something like that.

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You know, it's probably opening up for London or a

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band like that exactly.

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And that's what happened is these bands had to play

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with the glam bands because there was nothing else in

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LA and that's why they went to the Bay Area.

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I mean I saw a striper open for Slayer.

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To give you any idea, well, there's a there's a dichotomy, right,

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that's awesome.

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So it's kind of how mixed up it was. But

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you know, Slayer ship probably been playing with bands like

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Dri and stuff. But you couldn't because they were punk

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and Slayer was metal. It was just stupid that shit. Ever.

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But that's the thing though, the weird thing about how

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the origins of thrash metal were because again, like they

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took like the ferocity and a lot of like the

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riffing like from hardcore punk influence. Yeah right, I mean,

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like you take a look at like like when you

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listen to kill Them All. Okay, Okay, there's a bunch

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of zitty eighteen year old kids who, yeah, you could

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tell they had Judas Priest albums, and you can tell

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they had you know, Motorhead albums and all that, but

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they also had you know, they also had Dead Kennedy's

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forty five's right, also had black Flag stuff. Right, So they.

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Discharge all of.

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The hardcore stuff, all of the turn of the eighties

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hardscore stuff, right. And I think about that too. And

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as far as like you know, when people talk about

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prog metal, and again, like a lot of people talk,

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they talk about it as sort of like this adversarial

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bastard child sort of situation where it's like, oh, prog

446
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plus metal, Oh, east is east and west is west,

447
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:00.599
and narrow the rain shall meet, you know, and it's like,

448
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:05.880
actually metal, especially metal, how it evolved in the eighties.

449
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:11.279
It became progue's angrier cousin, Okay, because again, like I said,

450
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.960
like listen to Holy Wars the Punishment do That's that's

451
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:20.440
an intricate progressive rock song structure and arrangement that goes

452
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.200
through all sorts of rises and falls. I mean, the

453
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.240
next time you listen to the song Master of Puppets,

454
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.920
if you don't hear progressive rock in that, then your death.

455
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:32.839
Well that's the point too.

456
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.920
They would and again like they would do Metallica, they

457
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.559
laid a lot of that groundwork, right. You take a

458
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.000
look at like early instrumentals like the Call of Catulhu

459
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.200
co written by Dave Mustain, you know, you take a

460
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.319
look at again like just how they took the prog

461
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:53.720
metal thing to really angry angular efforts with and Justice

462
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:58.039
for All again one of like my top ten favorite albums.

463
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.799
And again that was the first time I ever saw

464
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.240
a rock band in an arena was when Metallica was

465
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.160
on tour for the Damaged Justice Tour with opening act

466
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.279
The Cult playing the Saddledom in Calgary, Alberta. You know,

467
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.559
June third, nineteen eighty nine. I remember it well. It

468
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.480
was the night of the Tieneman Square massacre. It was

469
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.480
the night that the Ayatola Coomani died, and it was

470
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:23.920
the night that I saw Metallica. And when I finally

471
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.680
got home it got back to the motel room, I

472
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:29.200
just thought, this is the most poignant date ever.

473
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.559
And I was right, oh yeah again, like again, like.

474
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.880
When you listen to like songs like the end Justice

475
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.160
for All song or the or listen to dire Z

476
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.400
Eve or listen to the to Lives to Die instrumental

477
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:49.119
suite they put together, I mean, yeah, it's like where

478
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.480
does Prague end and where does metal begin? Right, It's

479
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.039
a huge gray area and it's like looking at a spectrum.

480
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.079
The colors just shift and fade into each other. There's

481
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:01.920
no hard divisions, there's no separate camp. It's all about,

482
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.200
you know, in terms of thrash metal, it was all

483
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:11.559
about adventurousness, imagination, ferocity, and you know and technical blistering

484
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:16.119
right now, and so we have we bring those elements

485
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.039
and we bring like whatever softer melodic stuff as well.

486
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:24.039
But again, stuff like that provides about provides half the

487
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.160
backbone to what we do.

488
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.920
In Faton and I and I agree with you because

489
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:33.759
you know, listening to your latest music, to me, it

490
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.880
brings me back to eighties with a little modern kick

491
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.200
to it, like to me, thank you. A lot of

492
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.920
metal has that prog influence. I think the difference between

493
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:50.759
metal and punk back then was a prog influence because

494
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:54.039
punk was just straightforward, you know, chord chord chord and

495
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:59.519
you know, no leads, you know, just pure like raw

496
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:05.400
and whereas metal did mix in that prog musicianship into it.

497
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:09.079
Like so you did have a mixture of punk, metal,

498
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:13.720
prague all in one. To me, that that describes Megaath

499
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.119
actually for sure.

500
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:17.200
Or I mean even in Canada, like one of our

501
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.480
favorite bands is No Means No, and it's like you

502
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:23.559
take a look at them, like I had the privilege,

503
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.920
you know, like I know those guys personally, and I've

504
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.960
you know, I've shared stage at them in previous bands

505
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.319
and all of that. And again there's a band these

506
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.319
That's what happens when you're like with a band like

507
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.599
with No Means No, who combine punk rock energy and

508
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:47.240
ferocity with prog rock sensibilities to create their unique sound. Again,

509
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.240
like if I guess punk can be anything you want

510
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:54.079
and progue to be anything you want, but again it's like, uh,

511
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:58.640
just stunning, or to look at the Dead Kennedy's for example,

512
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.599
like the Dead Can all those guys were pop notch musicians.

513
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.119
East Bay Ray like again like a blistering like a

514
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.640
surf rock guy, like sort of like Dick Dale on

515
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.799
forty five rpm speed right, Klaus Fluoride one of my

516
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.519
bass heroes again like all the energy and dig dig

517
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:23.759
digg in the world, but also like melodically sensible, right right.

518
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:25.759
You hear when you hear that Night of the Living

519
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.279
Rednecks jem that's on them. That's that's on the Give

520
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:31.799
Me Convenience or Give Me Death compilation, the one like

521
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.240
where you know, Jello Biafra is just talking about, you know,

522
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.799
running away from Rednecks and hiding in a phone booth

523
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.839
while while while the East Bay Rays changing his string

524
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.119
and so d h Peligro on the drums and Klaus

525
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:49.519
Fluoride start doing this jazzy improv thing. It's really really good,

526
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.119
and it's like, uh, so, I mean, you can be

527
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.839
minimalist and be ferocious like the Ramones or what have you,

528
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.599
but you can also be ferocious and get your punchy

529
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:05.920
point cross and you can have chops too. It's like again,

530
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.920
it's good music versus bad music. What do you consider

531
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.200
good music? What do you consider bad music?

532
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.640
And that's always subjective, and it's because it's a vibe.

533
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.759
It's what you feel. Like what I feel when I

534
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.519
listen in metal is not the same as what other

535
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.720
people that don't like metal feel. You know, it's an

536
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:28.279
energy along with the music. There's an energy there, and

537
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.920
I think that's what's beautiful about instrumental music is it's

538
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.920
all energy. That's what I'm That's why I think of

539
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.000
when I think of no distraction from lyrics, because it's

540
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:43.000
just it's just energy put into the musicianship, like you're

541
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:47.200
in a zone, you know, type of thing, and it's

542
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.640
and as a musician, you do get in the zone

543
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.559
when you're doing stuff like that. How could you not

544
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.720
tell me? You know? It's like sure, So I think

545
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.599
that's where that journey comes from. You're going on a

546
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.039
journey first, which makes us take the journey with you,

547
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:05.680
is the way I look at it.

548
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.920
Well, it's true again, like we want to fascinate the listener.

549
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.119
We don't want to bore the listener or anything like that.

550
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.720
But it just says we want to fascinate ourselves and

551
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.720
we don't want to bore ourselves, right, I mean, and again,

552
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.440
like what we're doing, we don't consider it to be anything,

553
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:27.400
you know, explosively new again, Like one of my favorite

554
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.799
albums is The Inner Mounting Flame, which is the first

555
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.920
album from the Ma Vision Orchestra. You know that goes

556
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.559
all the way back to the year of my birth

557
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.119
nineteen seventy one. And you listen to a song like

558
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:43.119
Vital Transformation, they're blasting away in nine to eight time.

559
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.640
Billy Cobham is as attacking as drums and the riff

560
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.319
like killer like it's a you know that to me

561
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.279
sounds like a riff that again Daniel earth Hereon would

562
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:59.720
have written, you know, and what you say is completely

563
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.319
true the Dean I mean, like with all instrumental music,

564
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.480
whether you're going all the way back to the late

565
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.559
nineteen fifties and you're talking about people like say like

566
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.680
Link Ray or Dwayne Eddie, you know, or the Ventures

567
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.640
or Dick Dale and his Delltones, right and you know,

568
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.680
or you know Johnny and the Hurricanes, or you go

569
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:23.000
on through to the more the more familiar, I guess

570
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.759
guitar driven metals like yeah, Joe Satriani, Steve VII, all

571
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.160
those shred Eye Nights as I call them. You know

572
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.920
that Mike Varney signed to Shrapnel Records back in the

573
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.359
nineteen eighties, right. And again, like even even the punk

574
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.799
subculture though even in the nineteen nineties where you had

575
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:44.000
bands like Don Cavallero who were guitar driven and doing

576
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.720
like lots of like odd time signatures and creating lots

577
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:51.160
of really cool moods. There again, getting back to Canada,

578
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.640
you've got Godspeed You, Black Emperor, which is basically like

579
00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.799
an underground punk squad guitar orchestra with nice christ knows

580
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.079
who many how many members. But again they've got you know,

581
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.960
ten albums and they're revered worldwide and all that good stuff.

582
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.240
And again even now, like if you want to look

583
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.759
into what prog metal has coalesced into in the twenty

584
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:17.480
first century, animals as leaders again like you know, Tosin

585
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.559
Obasi and the boys just brilliant, genius stuff, you know,

586
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:26.759
scale the Summit intervals, you know, and we just consider

587
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.799
ourselves part of that seventy year timeline.

588
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:35.079
And you definitely are and like that Theaton should be

589
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.119
in that list that you're listening off, except I can

590
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.119
say it. You said it. It might be more egotistical,

591
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.400
but I'll say it, and I mean like it says

592
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.119
it all too like you have it. On the new album,

593
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.160
you have a guest appearance from Derek from Dream Theater,

594
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:57.200
Like you must be really really good if somebody like

595
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.079
Derek wants to play with you.

596
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.000
Well, here's the story how that happened. And we're still

597
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.480
pinching ourselves to make sure that that was actually real

598
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.280
and that actually happened. Well, we had talked, we've talked

599
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.800
about it, like ever since we came up with the

600
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.360
second album Between Two Worlds, about how it would be

601
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.800
nice to collaborate with people and you know, not necessarily

602
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.960
trying to you know, automatically shoot for you know, like

603
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.800
brand name superstars, you know, as far as brand name

604
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:29.000
superstars gets in the worlds of progressive metal or what

605
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:30.920
have you, but still just trying to like just to

606
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:34.960
just to make friends with like minded musicians. And so

607
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.440
when we were when we were getting to the tail

608
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.079
end of the recording sessions for for the songs that

609
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.679
would end up on the Neurogenesis album. You know Colin

610
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.400
wrighten our boy Wonder, he decided to reach out to

611
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.920
Derek Sherinian and just said, hey, would you you know,

612
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:56.639
this is we're Phaeton. We you know, we come from

613
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.519
a small town in the Canadian Rockies, and you know

614
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.280
we're always been impressed with you and the work that

615
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.239
you've done over the years. Would you like to guest

616
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.519
on our songs? And to everyone's surprise, you know, Derek

617
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.800
came back. He's like, well, yeah, well thanks for sending us,

618
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.679
Thanks for sending me, you know, like your first two albums,

619
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.119
and yeah, you guys are really good. And it's like, yeah,

620
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.159
for sure. I mean Derek Sherinian does a lot of

621
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.320
session work, but again he doesn't just jump at any

622
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.400
Tom Dick and Harry that rings him up, right. I

623
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.199
mean like we would like to think that you know

624
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.360
that he's happy to be part of it. And again,

625
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.800
so we we figured that the song Isochron would be

626
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.840
the one of the one of the seven album seven

627
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.960
songs on the album Pardon Me that he would best

628
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:48.480
be featured on, and so we sent him the raw

629
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:55.480
tracks and like, honestly, like like the next day, the

630
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.760
following day, like we're talking like a nineteen hour turnaround

631
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.840
all of a sudden in our inbox. He came back

632
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.760
in with half a dozen different sculpted takes throughout the

633
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.559
entire song, and he was doing stuff like like he

634
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.559
had listened and just sonically analyzed and was able to

635
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.960
match like all of the riffs that all the guitar

636
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.440
riffs that Daniel had written, and all the guitar riffs

637
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.519
that Kevin had written, and matching Colin's drum patterns or

638
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.719
whatever bass figures, and so he had six. It was

639
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.400
dynamite like again, like like we could release half a

640
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.599
dozen different versions of Isochron just featuring the six different

641
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:40.480
takes that Derek did. And so Kevin, who is our

642
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.760
in house engineer producer, he's brilliant, like one of the

643
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.920
best you know, without without pumping smoke up him or

644
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.960
anything like that, Like like even if I wasn't his

645
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.000
friend and wasn't in a band with him, he is

646
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.519
like by he should be one of like the first

647
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.079
call engineer producers in Canada. Kevin just said, hey, I'm

648
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.239
just gonna I'm going to make a composite track and

649
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.800
take the best at what he did from these six

650
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:09.000
takes and just basically like spread it out like mayonnaise

651
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.280
on a chicken sandwich, you know, and like and just

652
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.480
and just bring this song more to Glittering Life.

653
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:15.039
And he did.

654
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.920
And it's I mean, all the songs we consider to

655
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.480
be standout songs because we love all the songs we've

656
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.719
put on a Neurogenesis, but to have Derek Shrinian on

657
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.960
there was a real treat for us. And I mean

658
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.800
we have no idea whether or not, you know, that's

659
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.880
going to give us any more clout or credibility in

660
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.760
the global prog metal eyes for what have you. But

661
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.320
still it it meant the world to us. It proved

662
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:48.039
to us. Yeah, it proved to us that, Yeah, where

663
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.880
as good as anything that Derek Sharinian has ever worked

664
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.280
with before. And Derek, if you're out there, thank you again,

665
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.679
and yeah, we'd love to work with you again.

666
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.199
Yeah, I mean listen, he probably could. You can perform

667
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.239
with anybody. So the fact that they chose you, guys,

668
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.400
says it all about your music and about how good

669
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.000
this new album is that drops on the twenty fourth

670
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.480
of October here in a couple of days, it does,

671
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.519
and uh man, that's pretty exciting. So how do people

672
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.119
get the album when it drops? Can they pre save it?

673
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:23.519
Now?

674
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.519
How do they connect to you guys? That yeah, they can,

675
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:27.840
they can.

676
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.880
They can reach out to us either through well www

677
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.880
dot Fatonprague dot com, or they can reach us on

678
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:40.679
Facebook at you know, Facebook dot com, forward slash Faton band,

679
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.719
or they can go to our band camp and uh,

680
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.639
you know, Colin's the one that handles all of that,

681
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.679
you know, like like technical gobbledegook, I'm just a bass player.

682
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.719
But no, if people want the album, yeah, you can

683
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.119
get it for sure. You can if you want to.

684
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.239
If you want to pre order, I'm sure that can

685
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.039
be done at the very least. If you just want

686
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.800
to wait until Friday the twenty fourth, you can just

687
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.480
buy it for your own digital little grubby hands and

688
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.639
get it yourself. And again, like we're planning on releasing

689
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.559
that a hard copy as of vinyl pressing in early

690
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.559
twenty twenty six, and so when that comes around, we'll

691
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:22.960
be doing another round of hey look at us well

692
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.679
to help promote it and all of that. But yes,

693
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.280
we're very excited. It's like we had a bunch of delays.

694
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.960
I mean, look our.

695
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.880
Second album for example between two worlds who we're very

696
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.280
proud of. And again it's probably our heaviest album of

697
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.079
the three that we've made so far. We had that

698
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.000
ready to go and we were and what do you know,

699
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:48.239
what was our release date, March sixteenth, twenty twenty, and

700
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:52.519
what happened on March sixteenth, twenty twenty. The world put

701
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.400
on the closed sign and so we had to wait

702
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.239
for the pandemic to run its grinding, grueling course before

703
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.679
we could do anything. And then Colin got sick, and

704
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.440
then Colin got well again, and then finally from twenty

705
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.599
twenty three onward, we've regained the stride that we've lost

706
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.960
and so it's very This has been very cool for

707
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.159
us in the post pandemic world that we live in

708
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.159
now to finally get new stuff written and new stuff recorded,

709
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.199
and new stuff released and really ramp up our live

710
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.320
performance game, and which we were trying to do before

711
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.079
the pandemic you know, erupted. But now we're just we're

712
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.880
regaining ahead of steam on that. We're touring quite a

713
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.519
bit all throughout the provinces of Alberta and British Columbia.

714
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.440
We're looking into what we can do, say in the

715
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.800
Pacific Northwest States and California, which are the closest American

716
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.519
audiences to us. And again looking into, you know, looking

717
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.000
into European opportunities as well, because playing in Scandinavia and

718
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.400
playing in Germany, we seem to be getting quite a

719
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:04.639
lot of critical acclaim already for for you know, advanced

720
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.559
listenings and advanced reviews of Neurogenesis. And so I mean,

721
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.360
if we're gonna, you know, if we're gonna think about

722
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.480
starving to death in a van trying to go to

723
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:18.039
some remote town and mosquito ridden northern Ontario, then we

724
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.519
should see about starving in a van going into the

725
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.320
mosquito ridden wilds of northern Sweden.

726
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.519
There you go, or play in Vakan.

727
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.559
Wouldn't that be nice? I mean, like we certainly, we

728
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.800
certainly want to throw our hats in the ring to

729
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.199
you know, to play the local Vodkan metal battles that

730
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:40.320
happened in in Edmonton and Calgary and Vancouver and all

731
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.480
of that. And yeah, I mean with the with the

732
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:47.280
stuff that we're gonna be recording and releasing after Neurogenesis,

733
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.920
which we're gonna get hot and heavy with in the

734
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.039
in the weeks and months to come. You know, this

735
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.440
is where we're probably gonna end up shopping around to

736
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.199
a label, because we're at the point now where we

737
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.119
need label support and order to do any grandiose stuff.

738
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:03.840
And it seems to me that the people who can

739
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.719
get picked for Vodkin, even if you are just playing

740
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:11.039
you know, a side stage at that massive, wonderful event,

741
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:13.840
the ones that are on a label are the ones

742
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.320
that get picked first for the team.

743
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.119
Yeah, it's a true story. Well, you guys are good

744
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.320
enough to be on a label, and now we just

745
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:26.440
gotta get out there so that right label notices and

746
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.679
then who knows, we'll go from there.

747
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.519
Inside out is one of our you know, our prime

748
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.559
hopfuls we wish to you know, as far as knocking

749
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.920
on doors, you know, Season of Missed of course, you know,

750
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.000
like these are the labels that I think would understand

751
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.199
us the better. You know, We've always like talked about

752
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.559
wanting to keep you know, we're control freaks, so we

753
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.840
like to like, you know, try and keep it. We're

754
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.519
trying to keep it as much a a of an

755
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.440
in house cottage industry as we can, but there's only

756
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:54.760
so much you can do. In a day.

757
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.519
That's what I love about Season of miss is that

758
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.000
they are really good to the artists and give the

759
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.519
creative control over there.

760
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:04.639
Well, and that's the thing, like, and they do really

761
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.400
good stuff for our friends in Ancients. The Canadian metal

762
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.000
Bound just won their second Juno Award for their latest album,

763
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.719
Beyond the Reach of the Sun, and they're currently undertaking

764
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.519
a very triumphant American tour. So anyone out there listening

765
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.280
to this who sees Ancients pop up on their feeds,

766
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.960
go check them out because you'll be suitably blown away.

767
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.920
And they've been with Season of missed for well over

768
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.639
ten years and you know, no complaints from them, So

769
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.559
good enough for Ancients, good enough for us.

770
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.599
If they'll take us, well, let's put it out there.

771
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.639
I do a lot of them with them, so let's

772
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.280
put it out there, and uh, we'll put that out

773
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:45.800
in the universe. Then I could interview you at like

774
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.159
Hellfest or something.

775
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.039
Yay, wouldn't that be wonderful?

776
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:49.239
Man?

777
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.679
Right, have a memorable event, will travel there?

778
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:59.880
It is, well, you guys, definitely rock amazing musicianship amazing music.

779
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.920
Everybody has to pick up Neurogenesis or else they can't

780
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.719
listen to my show anymore. That's right, And I have

781
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.320
one last have a trivia question for you to end

782
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.440
the interview, only because you're a basist. I asked the

783
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:19.800
same trivia question to every basis. Only one has ever

784
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.119
gotten it right, and that was literally a couple of

785
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.000
days ago, was Will from Collective Soul, and he got it,

786
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.639
like first guest, Okay, yes.

787
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.199
I am collective, Yes I am gainfully employed. Is that

788
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:33.679
the question?

789
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:34.239
No?

790
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.599
Okay, okay, sorry, yes, okay, okay, I'm ready for the

791
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:38.679
actual basis question.

792
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.800
Who is one of the most famous basis in history

793
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.760
that was not a basis and had to be a

794
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.599
basis because there were already two other guitarists, so he

795
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.679
drew the short straw and had to be the one

796
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.800
that became bass Paul McCartney. Nice, no hesitation there, And

797
00:44:57.880 --> 00:44:58.280
speaking of.

798
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.880
Paul McCartney, I mean, like you want to talk about

799
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:02.960
the Beatles being you know, some of like the Big

800
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.639
Bang progenitors of what became progressive rock, when they started

801
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.360
getting out of their Beatlemania stuff and moving into their

802
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.960
more psychedelic experimental stuff during the second half of their career.

803
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.800
You take a look at Paul McCartney as a bass player.

804
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.280
And again, if that isn't prague, I don't know what is,

805
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.960
because I mean before Paul McCartney, Look, most rock and

806
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:27.719
roll bass players were just juggling away on blues patterns, right.

807
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.440
But Paul McCartney came from a he was a piano

808
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.199
player as well, right, And his dad was a well

809
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:39.280
known jazz band leader in Liverpool. And so when Paul

810
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.000
McCartney would play his bass, he played it with the

811
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.920
sensibility of a guy using the left hand of a piano.

812
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.920
Nice. And I didn't know that, and it blew my

813
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.639
mind when I heard about you know, they wasn't originally

814
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.039
a bassist because I was a Beatles freak from a

815
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.159
young age. And you know what I tell us, Stute.

816
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.480
Stuart Sutcliffe was the original bass player for the Beatles.

817
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.199
There's a really good nineteen ninety three Have you ever

818
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.199
seen that nineteen ninety three movie Backbeat.

819
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.159
I'm pretty sure I have, because I've seen I remember

820
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.400
seeing a Beatles movie all about Stu, you know, and

821
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:13.880
that's the.

822
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.280
One like it takes place like in Liverpool. I'm not

823
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.400
in Liverpool. They're playing in Hamburg, right. It's during their

824
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.280
Hamburg days from like nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty one,

825
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.519
when they're you know, they're playing eight hours a day

826
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:28.559
every day and they're all jacked up on precedence and

827
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.320
beer in order to keep the energy going. And yes,

828
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.760
Stu Sutcliffe was the bassist, but he left because he

829
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.960
was an artist, a visual painter where he was a musician.

830
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.639
And so McCartney, you know, yeah, he drew the short straw.

831
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.320
But luckily for the popular music that happened from nineteen

832
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.559
sixty three onwards, we're all lucky. Yeah, Paul McCartney drew

833
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:52.320
that short straw.

834
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.480
Yeah, because now that I know it, and I listen

835
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.679
to Beatles' songs now, like I listened to it, I'm like, oh,

836
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.039
I hear it, you know, Like I didn't really notice

837
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:02.960
till it was told to me and then I really

838
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:08.199
listened to Beatles music. I'm like, wow, Like I he

839
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:11.960
played the bass like a guitar basically.

840
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.840
Well, yeah, because he wasn't just he wasn't hovering on roots,

841
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.440
which is important when the song calls for it. Again,

842
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:21.679
he was spelling out you know, scales and melody and

843
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.159
like and spelling out the chords and doing going like

844
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.119
being fearless all across the neck, right, I mean like,

845
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.320
and yeah, that's the thing that once you actually realize

846
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.400
that about Paul McCartney, you go back and then you

847
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.880
listen to something new and the Beatles songs all over again.

848
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:38.760
Yeah.

849
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:42.199
Oh yeah, the shortest straw was drawn for him.

850
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.480
There it is. There it is, and the longer straw

851
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.400
is drawn for Neurogenesis, because again, everybody's got to get

852
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.800
the album where they can't listen to my show and

853
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.719
they'll draw the shortest straw and be kicked off my show.

854
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.760
So you see, people, if you want to keep listening

855
00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.800
to Dean by our album.

856
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.880
There it is. There it is. Guys. Support artists, man,

857
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:09.199
especially great musicians, because man, it's great when I hear

858
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.280
somebody like you as so much passion for being a musician.

859
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.239
Because the days of the rock star and then getting

860
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.639
thrown a bunch of money and everything are over.

861
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.199
So hey, man, we're Canadian musicians. We're making tens and

862
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:24.679
tens of dollars.

863
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:30.000
At a bad conversion, right yeah, I know, I mean, like.

864
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.039
I know, it's almost like a getting paid in lira

865
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:36.039
or something like that, right, but hey, it's an onward

866
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.039
and upward and full on Fathon.

867
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.000
Well, full on love it and I thank you for

868
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.119
being on the Adventures of pipe Man and I hope

869
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.880
to see a lot more of faithOn. Thank you so much,

870
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:52.599
thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipe Man.

871
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.639
I'm w for CUI Radio.