Rev Theory Performs at Inkcarceration 2026 at Shawshank Prison - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you have done to the censure? Wow for you young. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio and I'm. Here with Julian Jorgensen from Rep Theory. Nice. So you did such a great show at Aftershock that they sent you to prison. Yeah, basically we were sent to the penitentiary. They said there's a lot of people that hear voices apparently out here, and we need all the psychiatric help we can get.

0:46 So they called this up. Now, when when you're performing here at ink and you're in the ear, we're there, ain't ghost talking to you? Well, so the thing now, because we literally are like it's a punk rock moment for us, there's hardly any prep, there's no crew. Nice. So the voices and the ghosts that are in your head are very very visceral. I mean, you're feeling things you haven't felt deep down in your balls since you were like twenty five. We just started that nervous feeling that I don't even know if I'm gonna get my gear set up in time. So the ghosts of the past definitely visited there.

1:32 But it makes you feel alive, you know. Now, have you visited the ghosts inside. We did, we did, And all I have to say is it's fucking hot in there. Man. Oh I haven't been there today. I can't believe people used to be treated like that. Man, Oh my god. It's insane. Man, it's insane. And apparently it was up until nineteen nineties or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, wasn't long ago. I'm like, dude, that's a black mold fucking hazard. Oh my god. And the things that there's a torture room in there. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. So if you go through Blood Prison, which is the haunted part, yeah, you don't know if the characters or the real ghosts are haunting you. Really, dude, that's sick. I would love to have sexual relations somewhere in there.

2:16 And I thought to myself, how many people are going to be banging in some of those latrines and these other weird spots, Right, it's got to be a crazy sex show. You could always have a sex show with the warden's wife, who's the ghost in there. I have a feeling there was a sex show in Shawshank that that we wouldn't really be wanting to be a part of. No, probably the old Andy Dufraine, you know, oh my God wants the old Anidfrain. So it's funny because you know, when you do this stuff all the time, Yeah, it's a little different. Like my my youngest Sdarughter, She'll she'll call me before every festival and she's like, so dead are you excited about this festival? I'm like, well, I love doing it and it's a lot of fun. But I don't know if excite it's the real word when you're doing it every weekend, you know.

3:03 Yeah, And so the first time I. Did this festival, I was like, I called her up. I was out there in the grass. I'm like, I'm calling you from the prison yard of Shawshank. Now I'm excited because it is like I'm thinking of the artists like yourself, How fucking cool is it that Shaw as the backdrop? And then you have this prison next door, and I've seen inmates out in the yard, so you're like Johnny Cash performing to the inmates. I believe me at all all of those references. All that is those analogies, and like you know, if people ask me what's your favorite movie, like what do you love? You gotta say and almost probably nine times out of ten, i'd say, shaw Shank's up there.

3:46 Oh yeah. And so you know how many times was it on TNT and movies for guys who like movies and Spike and whatever like. It was just always playing in the early two thousands, and not only did we watch it, but like I gotta tell you, it's it's one of the most impactful, you know, pieces of I would say, you know, philosophy essentially that that our generation has, you know, Star Wars is probably the closest thing to like a religious kind of thing. Matrix came up after that, and then I think Shawshank was truly like a like a like almost like a spiritual piece of legislature, you know. Well, you know, it's funny that you mentioned Star Wars because a I'm also a motivational speaker, and the whole idea to force is the power of positive thinking.

4:31 In the power of your mind. That's you know. So I don't know if everybody gets that message, but that is the message, you know. And then the other part of it is, you know, we have all this AI stuff going on when we were younger, like, oh shit, the machines are going to take over. We were scared of this day now and what I forget which episode it is, but where they're going down that waterway and then Droid gets in the water to save the but sacrifices himself. I'm thinking that's AI. That's right, like before it was. Even out, Like that's the whole concept of it right there. That's right, because here's something he'll blow your mind. So do you know why we don't have self driving cars as a regular thing yet?

5:21 I mean, I can only speculate, but i'd love to hear your theory on it. Well more than theory. I did some research, and the thing is is, like, so when they're testing the self driving cars, they do like this virtual thing on a mountain road and they have a baby in the middle of the road, and the AI is supposed to decide whether to drive off the cliff and kill the driver and save the baby, or run over the baby and save the driver. So back to Star Wars reference, the Android sacrificing itself is the example because basically, you know that AI its primary motive is to protect you, the driver in those cars.

6:14 So every time currently, the ai'll have you run over to baby. Yeah, okay, so what they're doing is is they're trying to teach the AI to make human decisions, right, and once it can make human decisions, that's when we'll have self driving cars. That's true. I think you're right about that. I think, like obviously there's like a deeper conversation of values and like, because there's been some studies where it's like, okay, you have a group of baby ducks, you have a baby and a cart, and then you have the driver, right, and so prioritizing understanding that level of nuance at high speed.

6:56 I mean, I always say it's the worst it's ever. Going to be today today it's so good, and today is so good, but it's the worst it's ever going to be. In every single day it gets better every single day. It gets closer to that Star Wars kind of name. But I do believe it has the right intentions right. Now exactly, yeah, exactly, So how are you going to top incarceration? What's next? So for me, honestly, we have a label and talking about AI like a lot of people are anti what it is, And just the last couple of weeks, I just thought to myself, I'm such a fan of so many artists that are using AI on the visual side, and you know, I'm one of them that use it on the music side. And believe it or not, people are listening to stuff that we make or I make, and whether it's Pandora, whether it's Spotify, and we say it's AI.

7:48 And honestly, that's. All I do is I'm trying to filter concepts, thoughts and ideas as quickly as possible in the tunes into like something that happens in real time. Yeah, out as fast as you can. I feel like we were missing that. You know, I feel like you may take six months to write a record. It takes all this time. Is all this politics. It's like, dude, the demos were the. Best the day you created them, and that's where you need to release it. And I do believe that AI allows me to do that. And that's all I do. I work all day and release AI music and content all day. Yeah, I create. I love what you're saying because I never thought of it that way, and it makes so much sense because, like I think about it, if you're creating a song, you like get an idea in your head and if you don't write it down, write then and there it's gone.

8:41 And I experience it too with stuff like whether it's doing interviews or anything else, I do it if I don't do it right then and there. So the AI is allowing you to do it right then and there before you forget exactly. It's a voice note, it's a voice no. And you know, I think the way we view content or posts, it's like everyone puts all this time into thinking that their art. Is the shit. It's like, well, just put it out and see if it's the ship, and put it out in real time and put it out ten times a day. If you can keep up to that case, then you're the twelve year old that has the same tools that is digitally native. If you don't do that, then you're a dinosaur. And we were kind of a dinosaur on this bill, you know, And that's okay.

9:27 But you can also walk in chew gum at the same time. Right. Well, I love that concept too because in my industry, you know, I always call the old the old heads. They have WKRB and Cincinnati syndrome CRB, tarlic right, venus flat trap right, And we don't live in that world anymore. You need to evolve or die in whatever you do. So you can hold on to Hey, I want things the old way, but the new way is gonna happen whether you participate or not. So if you want to stay relevant, you might want to do. The new way totally.

10:08 Yeah, And like I tell the guys in the band, because you know, Maddie, my Basebay, he's not into it. He doesn't like it, And that's okay because the analog way is there too. Yeah, if you want to get together and record old school, let's do that too. But guess what, go coordinate it, figure out the logistics, administrate the process. But no one wants to do that. And that's what AI does. It allows you to bite pass all of this whole shit that was we had to deal with just. To get Rich get vocals on a song. It's like, well, now I have a recorded vocal of Rich from Slowburn, which is one of our most incredible performances in new metal in my opinion, and I was able to model his vocal and for the last two months we've been putting out new redthrough in music that I wrote with that vocal quality, and so about nine out of ten people are like, this is the best I've ever heard Rich And then that one person.

11:04 Goes, I think it's Ai, Yeah it. Is, but it's from us, it's from the band, and it's one person, and it's one guy who used to do it all too and now we do it with this. So as long as it's good, that's all it matters. As long as it's great, that's all it matters, right, And if people enjoy it, and if you enjoy it, that's what counts. Like and to your point, you know, in my LA studio, I had this engineer who had thirty years experience in radio, which I will never hire somebody with that much experience in radio ever again much because they have WKRP in Cincinnati syndrome. So one day I'm listening to my radio station on my phone and I call them up. I'm like, dude, you got to bring the levels down. It's way too hot.

11:54 And you know what his answer was to me, it sounds perfect in my headphone, which if you go back to the analog days, that is what happened. Whatever you heard in the headphones is what was getting put out, but not now. And so I said to him, and he couldn't get the concept because I'd say it like multiple times. But I'm not wearing your headphones right, and it sounds like shit and it's hot and distorted. Yeah, I'm like, go on the station. This is station on your headphone. Yes, because that's. What the end user is listening to. I couldn't agree more as far as like, you're either gonna get it or you're not gonna get it, and.

12:39 Sorry to hear about it. Sometimes the problem is you may have known too much. You know, you might have seen too much, and you know you're able to like roll with the times. That's basically what happened. So yeah, well it's funny too. It's every industry. I used to be pretty big in the financial industry. And so there's this movie I don't know if you ever saw it called boiler Room. Oh, one of my favorite movies Giovanni Ribisi. Okay, incredible, I love it. Incredible. What's funny about that? As I was in the business when that came out, and like my even my kids were like, Dad, did they interview you for that movie? Because they're using all your lines. Because whether you're legit or not legit, the sales process is the same.

13:20 Everything in that movie is the same. The difference is you're doing it legally. So yeah, in that group interview which I held all the time to hire my brokers, Ben Affleck goes, anybody here, I have a Series seven and I used to do the same exact shit. Okay, pack your bags and leave. We don't hire brokers here. We train new ones. And there's a reason for that because the ones that were already brokers, they have bad habits and they think they know it all, and you can't train them to be better. Whereas the people have no no experience, you can mold them into a superstar.

14:04 Yeah, you know, and. That's It's just like with a musician. You know, that young musician who's playing around with his instrument is the one that's going to come out with some unique shit that nobody's ever. Done that, you know. Yeah, interesting enough. I when we started the band, we started in Long Island, and so my friends owned a dealership, car dealership. So I graduated college and so he basically you know, allowed me to work at the dealership as a Canadian. They gave me my visa, so I got my visa to stay and work in the band. But I was working at a dealership in the day, so I was selling cars, in Long Island. I mean this in itself was a comedy show that you've never epic proportions right characters out the ying Yang. But they had this napoleonic little you know, small Jewish guy who was fucking just vicious man but smart, funny quick. This guy trying Levy and every sales meeting every morning, he goes act as if it's your first day.

15:05 He goes everything you learn, throw it out the window. He goes two things I'm gonna teach you is to start smoking cigarettes so you can pick up customers on the lot and forget everything you know and follow these three steps. And it's it's it's just like a as much as cars is so retarded, selling cars is like it's true. It is true. You know, the more you act that way. As a superstar salesperson. Since I'm a kid and a sales trainer, it's one hundred percent true. If a salesperson's in a slump, I tell them to go back to being a rookie and back to the basins because you became in that slump because all the shit you learn that doesn't sell shit that's right now here. I don't think I said this last time. But because you brought up the island, now this will freak out. I used to manage Harrows. Do you remember Harrows with Pools was the year from eighty six.

16:02 To eighty nine. So the band started in two thousand and two. We moved to Long Island two thousand and two, so I had no. Recollection other other than that. It was. It was the Guido capital and the capital of capitalism. That's what I call it. You will never see more strip malls and consumerism. No that Long Island, No bigger PF Chang's, the bigger cheesecake factory. Right, but harrow sounds like an interesting What was it like? It was a pools and small store that turned into a Christmas store in the winter. Anybody's going the island knows them, wow, because they were around for like eighty years till the owners passed it on to their kids, who fucked it up.

16:45 Typical story. The kid it takes over to business but never really worked it, doesn't know what they're doing, has these fancy knit ideas that don't work. Yeah, and kills it. So you know. But yeah, they the island, So what. Were you doing for them? Are you working on one. Of their stores, and I was their top salesperson. I have like ten stores, you know. But I said it because you brought up the cars, because it's the same type of thing. You know. It's like anything you sell like that retailing. You know, it is a different world. But you're so right. It's like once you start, even in the financial business. Now I left that to go into financial business. The Wolf of Wall Street, I.

17:32 Knew him personally. He was my competition. Okay. Boiler Room, by way, is also about his firm. Land. Most people don't know they know the Wolf of Wall Street, but boiler Room they changed names so people don't know it's his firm. Fictitious, yeah, but it is just it was a salesperson's perspective who was a friend of mine who worked for Jordan, who was telling his story. That's what boiler Room is. So it is and Long Island is a trip. It is a trip. You're so right about all that stuff. And it's so funny, like you take something like that investment firm. The fact that it was on Long Island is the joke, like your Wall Street on Long Island, right right?

18:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, people, I mean anyone that's listening would understand the the sort of comedic sensibilities of you know, where you have these guys like Seinfeld. Maybe, uh, I don't know. If it's this Luis k It's just it's just this area of comedy that exists in just the everyday shop owner, right know, the everyday chiropractor, the everyday kind of comedy that in the. Characters is so rich. There no doubt they. Haven't they haven't quite you know, extracted that just quite yet, you know what exactly Comedians and cars. It's kind of real. But if you really wanted a more fictitious version, I think there's something there.

19:03 So like Cadillac Man, remember lac Man. It was sick, dude, Tim Robbins, I was sick. We need a new car show. Let's do it. I know, let's do it. You could start up there and your band could create the music for the theme song for the show. Well, we could create it today actually using AI. So what I'll do is I'll go back, we'll talk about it a little bit more, and I'll come back. And see it. I'll see what we think. There you go. I love it. I love it. Yeah, awesome, Dean. Anything else you want to share with the listeners about what you got going on or buying any of your music. Merchant all that. Just putting out stuff for REV Theory under Julian Jorgensen, my own brands, which I hate to say that word brands, but you know, I have three or four different stuff like basically bands that I write for which are kind of avatars as an Animator, Invader seventy six and.

19:58 Uh yeah, REV Theory. So it's just spreading my wings and check it out. Nice and I think you have to do a tour with Ministry. Oh fuck, yeah, the j Organson's It could be the Jorgansen Tour. Jorgensen and Jorgensen Tour. My friend Dan Faulkner, who is an incredible artist from uh Gampbell River. He's a massive Ministry fan and he's one of my good buddies. So it's funny. I always see the irony and the fact that we're buddies and this guy just glombs on anything Jorgensen. You know. Oh he's great. You'll love to hear this. So you got to send this to me when it's done. Yeah, I will. So it's been a pleasure once again.

20:40 Awesome you too, Dean. Nice to see you. We're a great venue and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Thanks Man, appreciate her brother. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipeline. I'm w for CUI Radio.