July 28, 2026
Rev Theory Performs at Inkcarceration 2026 at Shawshank Prison - PipemanRadio Interview
The conversation focused on the intersection of music, technology, and personal stories as Rev Theory’s Julian Jorgensen discussed his experiences performing at unique venues such as Aftershock and the Shawshank penitentiary, the role of AI in modern music creation, reflections on influential films, and the importance of adapting to a changing creative and professional landscape.Main Topics Covered
- Performing at historic and unconventional venues (Aftershock, Inkcarceration at Shawshank)
- Encounters with "ghosts" and the visceral energy of live shows
- Reflections on Shawshank prison and its cultural impact
- The philosophy found in films like Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars, and The Matrix
- AI’s transformative role in music creation and content output
- The debate between traditional (analog) and modern (AI-driven) methods in music production
- Lessons from sales and business, drawing comparisons to Boiler Room, The Wolf of Wall Street, and real-life retail experiences
- The importance of continual evolution in both art and business
- The discussion explored the surreal feelings of playing shows at places like Inkcarceration, set within the infamous Shawshank prison yard, invoking both nervous excitement and a sense of history 00:19.
- Stories recounted nerves from minimal show preparation and the ghostly, almost spiritual experience that comes from performing in such storied environments 01:02.
- Several points were raised, including the enduring legacy and pervasive broadcast of The Shawshank Redemption, with Jorgensen calling it “one of the most impactful pieces of philosophy” for his generation 03:40.
- The conversation focused on how films like Star Wars and The Matrix offer spiritual or philosophical guidance for modern audiences 04:07.
- One concept discussed was the power of positive thinking, relating “the Force” in Star Wars to real-world motivational principles 04:21.
- A key theme that emerged was the embrace of AI by musicians and artists, both in the creation of visuals and in music composition 07:21.
- Discussion explored how AI enables instant translation of inspiration into music, bypassing lengthy logistics and politics. Jorgensen highlighted that now demos can become releases in real time, enhancing creative spontaneity 08:00.
- The episode drew direct parallels to the difference between those who adapt to technology and those stuck in “WKRP in Cincinnati” nostalgia for outdated processes 09:48.
- Several points were raised, including the generational divide within bands regarding the adoption of AI tools versus traditional recording environments 10:09.
- The discussion explored how old habits can hinder adaptation, with both music and business examples. Notable references were made to sales cultures depicted in Boiler Room and the real-life rivalry with the famed Wolf of Wall Street 13:05.
- Key stories shared included running a pool and spa store (Harro’s) and the fate of family businesses when handed over to unprepared heirs 16:31.
- Sales strategies and success, the importance of returning to basics during slumps, and the impact of learning afresh rather than relying on outdated experience, were all discussed 15:05.
- The conversation closed with mention of new musical releases under a variety of “avatars” (Animator, Invader 76, Rev Theory) and the potential of creating AI-generated music for upcoming projects 19:40.
- “The ghosts of the past definitely visited...but it makes you feel alive, you know?” 01:20
- “Shawshank’s up there...it’s one of the most impactful, you know, pieces of philosophy essentially that our generation has.” 03:42
- “The demos were the best the day you created them. That’s when you need to release it. And I do believe that AI allows me to do that.” 08:13
- “If you can keep up to that pace, then you’re the 12-year-old that has the same tools, that is digitally native. If you don’t do that, then you’re a dinosaur.” 09:14
- “You need to evolve. Or die in whatever you do. So you can hold on to, hey, I want things the old way, but the new way is going to happen whether you participate or not.” 09:53
- “As long as it’s good, that’s all that matters. As long as it’s great, that’s all that matters.” 11:16
- “The less you know, the more you act that way, right?” 15:23
- Rev Theory — new music across platforms like Pandora and Spotify, including releases under Julian Jorgensen’s own projects: Animator, Invader 76, and others 19:40
- Cultural references: The Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars, The Matrix, Boiler Room, The Wolf of Wall Street, Cadillac Man, WKRP in Cincinnati
- Check out Rev Theory, Animator, Invader 76, and related projects online for the latest music and content.
- Stay tuned for potential future collaborations—including AI-generated theme songs and possible tours.
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Hi, you have done to the censure?
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Wow for you young.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
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Man W four c Y Radio and I'm.
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Here with Julian Jorgensen from Rep Theory.
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Nice.
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So you did such a great show at Aftershock that
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they sent you to prison.
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Yeah, basically we were sent to the penitentiary. They said
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there's a lot of people that hear voices apparently out here,
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and we need all the psychiatric help we can get.
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So they called this up.
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Now, when when you're performing here at ink and you're
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in the ear, we're there, ain't ghost talking to you?
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Well, so the thing now, because we literally are like
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it's a punk rock moment for us, there's hardly any prep,
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there's no crew.
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Nice.
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So the voices and the ghosts that are in your
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head are very very visceral. I mean, you're feeling things
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you haven't felt deep down in your balls since you
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were like twenty five. We just started that nervous feeling
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that I don't even know if I'm gonna get my
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gear set up in time. So the ghosts of the
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past definitely visited there.
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But it makes you feel alive, you know.
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Now, have you visited the ghosts inside.
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We did, we did, And all I have to say
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is it's fucking hot in there.
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Man.
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Oh I haven't been there today.
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I can't believe people used to be treated like that.
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Man, Oh my god.
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It's insane. Man, it's insane. And apparently it was up
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until nineteen nineties or something.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, wasn't long ago. I'm like, dude, that's
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a black mold fucking hazard.
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Oh my god. And the things that there's a torture
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room in there.
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That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
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So if you go through Blood Prison, which is the
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haunted part, yeah, you don't know if the characters or
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the real ghosts are haunting you.
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Really, dude, that's sick.
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I would love to have sexual relations somewhere in there.
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And I thought to myself, how many people are going
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to be banging in some of those latrines and these
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other weird spots, Right, it's got to be a crazy
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sex show.
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You could always have a sex show with the warden's wife,
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who's the ghost in there.
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I have a feeling there was a sex show in
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Shawshank that that we wouldn't really be wanting to be
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a part of. No, probably the old Andy Dufraine, you know,
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oh my God wants the old Anidfrain.
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So it's funny because you know, when you do this
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stuff all the time, Yeah, it's a little different. Like
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my my youngest Sdarughter, She'll she'll call me before every
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festival and she's like, so dead are you excited about
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this festival? I'm like, well, I love doing it and
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it's a lot of fun. But I don't know if
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excite it's the real word when you're doing it every weekend,
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you know.
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Yeah, And so the first time I.
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Did this festival, I was like, I called her up.
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I was out there in the grass. I'm like, I'm
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calling you from the prison yard of Shawshank. Now I'm
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excited because it is like I'm thinking of the artists
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like yourself, How fucking cool is it that Shaw as
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the backdrop? And then you have this prison next door,
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and I've seen inmates out in the yard, so you're
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like Johnny Cash performing to the inmates.
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I believe me at all all of those references. All
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that is those analogies, and like you know, if people
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ask me what's your favorite movie, like what do you love?
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You gotta say and almost probably nine times out of ten,
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i'd say, shaw Shank's up there.
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Oh yeah.
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And so you know how many times was it on
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TNT and movies for guys who like movies and Spike
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and whatever like. It was just always playing in the
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early two thousands, and not only did we watch it,
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but like I gotta tell you, it's it's one of
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the most impactful, you know, pieces of I would say,
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you know, philosophy essentially that that our generation has, you know,
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Star Wars is probably the closest thing to like a
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religious kind of thing. Matrix came up after that, and
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then I think Shawshank was truly like a like a
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like almost like a spiritual piece of legislature, you know.
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Well, you know, it's funny that you mentioned Star Wars
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because a I'm also a motivational speaker, and the whole
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idea to force is the power of positive thinking.
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In the power of your mind. That's you know.
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So I don't know if everybody gets that message, but
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that is the message, you know. And then the other
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part of it is, you know, we have all this
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AI stuff going on when we were younger, like, oh shit,
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the machines are going to take over. We were scared
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of this day now and what I forget which episode
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it is, but where they're going down that waterway and
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then Droid gets in the water to save the but
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sacrifices himself. I'm thinking that's AI.
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That's right, like before it was.
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Even out, Like that's the whole concept of it right there.
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That's right, because here's something he'll blow your mind. So
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do you know why we don't have self driving cars
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as a regular thing yet?
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I mean, I can only speculate, but i'd love to
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hear your theory on it.
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Well more than theory.
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I did some research, and the thing is is, like,
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so when they're testing the self driving cars, they do
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like this virtual thing on a mountain road and they
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have a baby in the middle of the road, and
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the AI is supposed to decide whether to drive off
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the cliff and kill the driver and save the baby,
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or run over the baby and save the driver. So
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back to Star Wars reference, the Android sacrificing itself is
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the example because basically, you know that AI its primary
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motive is to protect you, the driver in those cars.
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So every time currently, the ai'll have you run over
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to baby. Yeah, okay, so what they're doing is is
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they're trying to teach the AI to make human decisions, right,
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and once it can make human decisions, that's when we'll
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have self driving cars.
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That's true. I think you're right about that.
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I think, like obviously there's like a deeper conversation of
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values and like, because there's been some studies where it's like, okay,
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you have a group of baby ducks, you have a
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baby and a cart, and then you have the driver, right,
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and so prioritizing understanding that level of nuance at high speed.
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I mean, I always say it's the worst it's ever.
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Going to be today today it's so good, and today
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is so good, but it's the worst it's ever going
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to be. In every single day it gets better every
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single day. It gets closer to that Star Wars kind
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of name. But I do believe it has the right
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intentions right.
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Now exactly, yeah, exactly, So how are you going to
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top incarceration?
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What's next?
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So for me, honestly, we have a label and talking
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about AI like a lot of people are anti what
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it is, And just the last couple of weeks, I
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just thought to myself, I'm such a fan of so
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many artists that are using AI on the visual side,
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and you know, I'm one of them that use it
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on the music side. And believe it or not, people
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are listening to stuff that we make or I make,
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and whether it's Pandora, whether it's Spotify, and we say
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it's AI.
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And honestly, that's.
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All I do is I'm trying to filter concepts, thoughts
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and ideas as quickly as possible in the tunes into
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like something that happens in real time. Yeah, out as
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fast as you can. I feel like we were missing that.
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You know, I feel like you may take six months
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to write a record. It takes all this time. Is
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all this politics. It's like, dude, the demos were the.
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Best the day you created them, and that's where you
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need to release it. And I do believe that AI
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allows me to do that. And that's all I do.
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I work all day and release AI music and content
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all day.
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Yeah, I create.
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I love what you're saying because I never thought of
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it that way, and it makes so much sense because,
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like I think about it, if you're creating a song,
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you like get an idea in your head and if
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you don't write it down, write then and there it's gone.
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And I experience it too with stuff like whether it's
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doing interviews or anything else, I do it if I
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don't do it right then and there.
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So the AI is allowing you to do it right
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then and there before you forget exactly.
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It's a voice note, it's a voice no. And you know,
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I think the way we view content or posts, it's
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like everyone puts all this time into thinking that their art.
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Is the shit.
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It's like, well, just put it out and see if
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it's the ship, and put it out in real time
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and put it out ten times a day. If you
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can keep up to that case, then you're the twelve
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year old that has the same tools that is digitally native.
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If you don't do that, then you're a dinosaur. And
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we were kind of a dinosaur on this bill, you know,
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And that's okay.
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But you can also walk in chew gum at the
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same time. Right.
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Well, I love that concept too because in my industry,
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you know, I always call the old the old heads.
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They have WKRB and Cincinnati syndrome CRB, tarlic right, venus
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flat trap right, And we don't live in that world anymore.
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You need to evolve or die in whatever you do.
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So you can hold on to Hey, I want things
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the old way, but the new way is gonna happen
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whether you participate or not. So if you want to
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stay relevant, you might want to do.
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The new way totally.
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Yeah, And like I tell the guys in the band,
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because you know, Maddie, my Basebay, he's not into it.
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He doesn't like it, And that's okay because the analog
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way is there too. Yeah, if you want to get
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together and record old school, let's do that too. But
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guess what, go coordinate it, figure out the logistics, administrate
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the process.
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But no one wants to do that. And that's what
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It allows you to bite pass all of this whole
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shit that was we had to deal with just.
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To get Rich get vocals on a song.
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It's like, well, now I have a recorded vocal of
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Rich from Slowburn, which is one of our most incredible
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performances in new metal in my opinion, and I was
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able to model his vocal and for the last two
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months we've been putting out new redthrough in music that
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I wrote with that vocal quality, and so about nine
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out of ten people are like, this is the best
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I've ever heard Rich And then that one person.
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Goes, I think it's Ai, Yeah it.
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Is, but it's from us, it's from the band, and
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it's one person, and it's one guy who used to
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do it all too and now we do it with this.
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So as long as it's good, that's all it matters.
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As long as it's great, that's all it matters, right,
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And if people enjoy it, and if you enjoy it,
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that's what counts.
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Like and to your point, you know, in my LA studio,
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which I will never hire somebody with that much experience
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in radio ever again much because they have WKRP in
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Cincinnati syndrome. So one day I'm listening to my radio
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station on my phone and I call them up. I'm like, dude,
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you got to bring the levels down. It's way too hot.
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And you know what his answer was to me, it
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sounds perfect in my headphone, which if you go back
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to the analog days, that is what happened. Whatever you
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heard in the headphones is what was getting put out,
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but not now. And so I said to him, and
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he couldn't get the concept because I'd say it like
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multiple times. But I'm not wearing your headphones right, and
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it sounds like shit and it's hot and distorted.
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