Sept. 3, 2025

The RODS Discuss World On Fire of New album Wild Dogs Unchained

The RODS Discuss World On Fire of New album Wild Dogs Unchained
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‘80s metal luminaries The Rods are back with Wild Dogs Unchained, a new album that combines reimagined classics from their past with masterfully crafted new songs.

Hooks, grooves, crafty, formidable, and rebellious are songwriting attributes that The Rods gladly embrace. On Wild Dogs Unchained, the veteran power trio continues their famed aural assault with songs like “Eyes of a Dreamer” and “Tears for the Innocent,” revealing heretofore unrealized musical melodicism, while re-tooled classics, “Hurricane” and “Wild Dogs Unchained,” percolate with renewed vigor. 

On Wild Dogs Unchained, the playing is harder, the grooving is heavier, and the singing more soulful than ever before. David “Rock” Feinstein (guitar/vocals), Freddy Villano (bass), and Carl Canedy (drums) have crafted a definitive Rods album aimed at pleasing die-hard fans and new audiences alike. 

Once again mixed and mastered by Chris Collier, Wild Dogs Unchained flexes considerable musical muscle and builds upon the ironclad sonic template that these three musicians have forged over recent years. Not content to rest on their laurels or their legacy, The Rods are getting tighter, more nuanced, and perhaps even more bludgeoning with age. As Derric Miller at hardrockhaven.net said, “The Rods just pummel you. There’s an insane energy coming from this band.”

TRACK BY TRACK: 
EYES OF A DREAMER, David Feinstein
This song is about people wanting to fulfill their dreams; never to worry how big your dreams are, or how hard it may be to achieve them. Even through tough times, be persistent and continue with determination to make your dreams in life reality.
 
ROCK AND ROLL FEVER, David Feinstein
This song is about musicians who are strong-willed and live for their music. Music to these individuals, as well as fans, becomes like a drug to them. It’s an addiction. It makes you feel good making the music and listening to the music. It makes the fans feel good, as well as the performers playing the music. Everybody’s got the “fever.”
 
MIRROR MIRROR, David Feinstein
This song is about looking at yourself. What do you think of yourself? What kind of person do you think you are? What kind of person should you be? Look in the mirror, “Are you evil or divine?”
 
TEARS FOR THE INNOCENT, David Feinstein
This song is about senseless war, and the innocent people that die because of it. We cry for those innocent people and feel sorry for what they have lost. Their homes, their land, their lives.
 
WILD DOGS UNCHAINED David Feinstein
Carl Canedy is the writer of this particular song, but I think I can speak for him in saying that this song is about fighting to be free. It pertains to all people. Fight for your freedom.
 
TIME TO ROCK, David Feinstein
For a rock musician, it is always “Time to Rock.” It’s anticipating an event or concert that you will be playing at. The excitement, the lights, the electrify in the air. It’s always a rush when it’s “Time to Rock.”
 
RUN RUN RUN, David Feinstein
This song is about being free. Casting your fate to the wind. More like a biker anthem. A feeling that I think most of us would like to feel sometime. To know the feeling of what it’s like to really be free.
 
WORLD ON FIRE, David Feinstein
Inspired by the state that our world is in right now. Wars, hunger, homelessness. It’s about having faith that our world will get better and asking, “What can we do to help make that happen?”
 
MAKE ME A BELIEVER, David Feinstein
This song is about perseverance. No matter how hard things get in life, to stand up and do what is needed to make things better. To be a believer and to always fight for what is right. 
 
HURRICANE, David Feinstein
This song is about a car called “Hurricane” owned by an eager person who is possessed with the idea that his car is the best, fastest car on the street. “Hurricane” is always ready for a challenge.

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the time look around to see that you have sinned,

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broken hearts, broken dreams, standing by the cross, take a

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stand and fight to win.

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This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventures the

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Pipe Man w four C Y Radio. And I'm very

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excited our next guest, because, man, this band I've been

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listening to since the eighties and was always one of

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my favorites. And I love we have eighties badass metal

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bands putting out new music in twenty twenty five and

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has no different for the Rods. So let's welcome to

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the show.

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David. How are you good.

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I'm good. I'm happy to be here.

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Really, I still have my Wild Dogs Vinyl like, so

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I love that we are coming out with Wild Dogs unchained.

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That is so cool.

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Now we figured we probably at this point of this game,

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we probably should unchain them, you know, yeah, right, let

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them be free, you know, because there's been a lot

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of years. They've been in cages, they've been in chains,

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they've been held up. You know, we've been we've been

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keeping them tied down, and now it's time to let

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them go free.

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I think it's a perfect time lem go free, do

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you like, go after all the idiot stuff that's going

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on in the world, Like you could just let them

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go and maybe they'll fix the world for us.

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I know, I wish it was gonna be easy, but

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I don't know. It's really the world is really in

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a bad state, you know. I mean, yeah, it's it's

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it's too bad. But there's nothing much we can do

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about it. I mean, we can protest and we can complain,

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and you know, I can write songs that are protest

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songs and songs about all that, but it's really not

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going to do anything. But it's good to speak up,

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you know, speak your piece and let people know how

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you feel about it.

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And the music is therapy anyway, regardless of if ever

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it's going to fix things. It's therapy for you the artist,

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it's therapy for us the listener. And I think that's

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all that counts. And one of the best things about

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twenty twenty five is I think metal is bigger now

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than it was us back in the eighties. You know,

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it's it's more like I love going to shows and

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I see our generation there with their kids, with their grandkids,

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my kids, and you wouldn't have had that back in

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the eighties, Like I wouldn't go see a sixty year

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old band in the eighties, you know, you know, but

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now it's cool.

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It's it's you know, definitely a different world obviously, you know,

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but I found that, like in the live shows that

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we've done, you know, there's been such a broad range

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of age groups.

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I mean, right, some of the.

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back when we were in our heyday of doing things

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in the beginning of it all. So it's it is

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really great to know that the music holds up, you know,

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and that everybody stays there because there's people that were

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there back in the day, like yourself, that remember it

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from the beginning, and there's all ages in between, you know.

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So it just tells you that the music does hold up.

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You know. It's a brotherhood and I mean in the

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word of like female, male or whatever of people that

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like the music, you know and follow it. So it

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is a good.

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Feeling Oh yeah, I love that because I remember going

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to shows back in the eighties and I would have

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met you only saw people your own age, even the

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bands were your own age, you know, like, and so

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I think it's so cool. And I look around at

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a festival nowadays and there's like one hundred thousand people

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and you can't pick who is who they are, age

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or otherwise. It's not like that gatekeeper thing we had

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back in the eighties. We are one big brotherhood, one

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big family now.

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Yeah, yeah, it is. It is a good feeling, you know,

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when you go to the shows and see all the people,

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it's really great. So the thing is with the fans

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is like, no matter what country you go to, you know,

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it's basically the fans are the same. I mean, you

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can be in a different country, you could be in

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a different country, but when you go to the show,

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you can't really tell, you know, what country you're in

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because the fans are all the same.

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You know.

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Yeah, there's no difference in them. So it's definitely a

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continuity there of people that are into it.

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And does it kind of blow your mind to when

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you go to all these different countries and they don't

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speak English, but they can, they can sing every word

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back to you.

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Yeah, it is. It is pretty amazing when you're on

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stage and you can see the people singing along, you know,

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especially when it's in countries that you know you're not

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it's not not the US. You know, you're not speaking

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and they're not speaking English. So it is pretty amazing

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to see them do that. I mean, obviously they know

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the meaning of it, you know, even though they're saying

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they may be singing in the and they're there foreign language,

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but they do know the meaning, which means a lot.

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And that's important because you know, that's what helps us

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is the meaning to these songs, you know, and that's

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what's beautiful about metal and always has been, is the

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songs had meaning and they were about real things.

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Mm hmmm. You know, I think you know, for me,

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you know, as a writer, I mean back in the day,

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you know, the thing was to write about partying and

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about sex, drugs and rock and roll and the whole thing,

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you know, And now it's changed to a point for

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me as a writer anyways, and you you can probably

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be able to hear on this latest album of ours,

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you know, I've become more of a person that needs

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to write about the way I feel about what the

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world is going on, what's going on in the world today,

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you know, and maybe we can do about it. And

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but you know, just to be able to express your

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feelings a little bit more other than what times the

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party start, you know, right, So it is it is

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a little bit more to it now because the world

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is so different and it's good to express your feelings

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and it's good to know when people agree with you know,

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we're trying to put across in a song.

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So and that's why I love about this new album

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is every song has a meaning that I live by,

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you know. And and then of course you have world

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on fire. I mean I wake up in the morning

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and I feel the world is on fire.

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You know, definitely when you watch the news, you know.

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Oh yeah, yeah. I try to stay away now.

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It's like ignorance is bliss. Like last year, I was

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in Costa Rica for three months and my brother calls me.

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He goes, did you see the news? I'm like no,

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and I'll give a shit. I'm going surf and have

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a nice day.

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Yeah, Because it's it's.

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Like it doesn't change. I'd rather not be so like

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these people that are obsessed with the news. Yeah, I

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don't think they're living a very happy life being obsessed

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with Like I want to be aware of what's going on,

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but I don't need to watch it twenty four to seven.

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No, But because it's because it puts you in a

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you know, a lot of times puts you in a

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depressed mood, you know. I mean, the news is there

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to show you, you know, like from what I gather,

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you know, like they always want to show you the

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negative of what's going on, you know, right, once in

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a while there's a positive in there, but it's always

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the negative. Who's getting killed? You know, where the shootings are?

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What about the war? How many got killed in this

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bombing and that bombing? You know. So it's like if

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you start your day off of that, I think it's

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very difficult to like continue on with like some kind

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of positive attitude, even though it might affect you, you know,

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like yourself and the town that you live in. But

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you could see the world what's going on, you know, Like,

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so yeah, it's depressing. You can't really you know, I

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don't hardly ever watch you know, I might put it

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on in the morning just a little bit to see well,

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who might have died, you know, who might have you know,

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this might happen. But other than that, to get involved

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in what's going on in the world, you kind of

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need to know, you know, you know, the songs I

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wrote on this album are on in the world, you know,

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and how we should feel about it. And again, that's

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just my feelings. You know. If nobody likes the album

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or nobody likes the lyrics or whatever, it doesn't really

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matter to me. You know. It's like, those are my feelings,

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you know, yeah, and I feel good about them. So

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that's what people should kind of project during their daily routiness,

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you know, you know, don't be afraid of what to

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say or to feel the way you feel about things,

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you know, rather than to be controlled by what's going

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on in the news of the day.

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It's funny, I was just thinking about that this morning,

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that before we had the internet and social media and

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cell phones and all this stuff, you know, things didn't

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affect us the same way because it wasn't hammered in

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our face twenty four to seven, and cause you know,

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you could kind of live your life a bit instead

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of being connected to all this negativity.

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And you know, you could.

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Even there's certain things that went on back then that

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we didn't know about, and you know what, not knowing

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about was almost better because there was nothing we could

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do about it, you know, that's true.

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I mean we never really in the start of all,

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you know, when we started back in the eighties, I mean,

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there was there was no there was no internet, you know, right,

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you didn't know if you had fans in Spain or

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France or any anything any other countries because there was

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no Internet. You know, you can't always and you still,

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I don't know, you know, you couldn't rely on record

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companies to really give you the right answers as far

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as you know, how many records you're selling where, you know.

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And I don't want to sound negative against record companies,

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but in reality, there is a lot of negativity when

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it comes to record companies and artists and all that.

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As far as I'm concerned. That's just me. But once

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the Internet came into you know, once we had like

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kind of this Rods reunion when all of a sudden

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the Internet was there and we realized we had these

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fans that were in all these different countries. We never

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we never knew that before, you know, we never knew it,

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so it's it is a different world.

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Well there's the positive of it, right then, you know,

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certain good things, you know, you know.

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Definite positive. I mean, as far as talking about the band,

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I mean when we we had a you know, we

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took a little hiatus, we took a little time off.

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You know, when we didn't play for a while. It

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wasn't a nasty situation where we didn't get along or

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that kind of thing fighting. We just felt like we

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need to get away from it for a while, you know.

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I mean, I think for me, the and I think

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for the I can speak for the three of us

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at the time. The business part of you know, like

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somebody once told me the music business is two words,

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music and business. Business part of it got to us.

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You know, it's like, you know, we're in it because

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we want to make music. You know. Originally I remember

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playing with Ronnie in the early days with Elf. You know,

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like we weren't we were in the band. We didn't

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have a band because we thought we wanted to be superstars.

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We wanted to you know, make a lot of money.

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We did it because we love to do it, you know,

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and that's what we you know, I know myself and

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the people that I've worked with. That's what we did.

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We did it for because we loved it. We didn't

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do it thinking about we're going to be millionaires. So

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when you start out, when you do it in that way, uh,

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it changes things, you know. So we got away from

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it for a while. When we had a reunion after

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a few years, I started doing solo album and Carl

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and I hadn't seen Carl and Uh and Gary at

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the time was the bass player. I hadn't seen any

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one of those guys in a while. And Carl had

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heard my latest solo album at the time, and he

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gave me a phone call said I just heard your

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solo album and it makes me want to play again.

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I said, well, you know, let's why don't we do

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a reunion a couple of reunion gigs, you know, a

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couple of small bars locally for the hell of it.

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And I said, I'll try to get old of Gary

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and see if he's interested. So we did that, and

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we did one in my hometown, and we did one

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in Ithaca. That what's Ithaca is something about twenty mile

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ride from and that's where Gary lived. And we found

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out that even though these little clubs that held like

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maybe barely one hundred people, that people were coming from everywhere.

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now and people knew, hey, the Routs are playing again,

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and they're bringing all of the albums, the viol for

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rust of sell and sign and whatnot. And we're thinking, geez,

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you know this isn't this is incredible. We were never

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really knew we had, you know, these fans. So, you know,

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after we did those two shows, we said, hey, let's

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just keep doing some shows if we can. We never

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got another manager, We never solicited, you know, we never

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worked with a booking agency or any kind of agency

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or any management or anything. We did everything ourselves, and

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we were real serious about making it a full time thing.

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And all of a sudden, we started getting phone calls

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from like different countries, you know, like what do we

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have to give you to come player festival in Brazil

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or you know, we you know, these countries that we

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had never been to on our heyday, and you know,

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ninety nine point nine percent of the time we would

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tell them we just need plane tickets, we need hotel rooms,

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we need food, you know, we need transportation, and we need,

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you know, obviously there's always stage set up, you know,

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gear provided, and you know, mostly all the time, we

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never even asked for a performance feet because we wanted

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to go do these jobs. They were in different countries

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we'd never been in, and we would we would go

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for expenses, you know, but it was great because we

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got to go and we got to play for fans

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that we never knew. We had fans in Brazil, you know,

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we never we never had fans in Norway and all

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these other countries that we had never gone to before.

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So it was really great. So we started doing that.

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Like every summer we would do like eight to ten

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shows and they would all be like in and out,

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maybe you know, fly in somewhere, do one or two shows,

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one or two festivals. Maybe one was a club gig,

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one was a festival, and fly back. We never did

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an extensive and we didn't want to do any extensive

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touring at the time. However, in twenty eleven we did

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do thirty days with the Deo Disciples that was around

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his old band, you know, after he passed away. It

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was all through Europe, you know, and that was great,

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and that was thirty days and it was like, jeez,

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we haven't done thirty days on a bus in a

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long time, you know, so we're going to handle it.

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But we handled it pretty you know, actually pretty easily.

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You know. It was pretty nice and we had a

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good time. But that's basically, you know, like we started

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in this full my little I get carried away sometimes

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and I lose myself in this talking. But the Internet,

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you know, changed things a lot, you know, for negative

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and for a lot for good, a lot for yeah.

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Well, you know it is true. You know, it's funny too,

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Like I do coverage.

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At music festivals all over the US, UK and Europe,

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and when I got Europe, it's like I'm going back

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to the eighties. Like you turned on the radio there

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and they're playing the stuff that would have been back

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in the eighties. And it's like some of these bands

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that I thought were gone, I'm like, oh, oh, they've

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just been in Europe all these years, you know, you know,

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and the fans there are just like die hards.

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You know, it's.

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Unbelievable, but it's always been that way since the beginning.

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Hendricks had to go to Europe to make it, you know,

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a lot of bands had to go there, because the

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people in Europe are more to me, are more open minded,

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you know, and we're willing to listen to what you have.

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People in the US, you know, are kind of like,

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I don't want to say, I don't know if spoiled

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is the right word or not, but they're not as

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apt to like listen to something new, you know, to

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give it a chance. You know. So a lot of

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groups really had to go a lot of big groups,

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and I can mention Hendrix as one, but a lot

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of groups had to go to Europe to actually be heard,

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to make a noise enough to make it big into

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the United States and then worldwide. You know. So Europe

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is always more hardcore and more dedicated to listening and

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being open minded about the music.

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Yeah, And the key word there is listening, because you know,

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we live in this mentality today of the track track

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track mentality and listen for two seconds. Listen some of

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my favorite songs. Ever, if I only listened to two

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seconds of this song, I would never not a song

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like it. Sometimes it took a minute to get to

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the part like you're like, oh my god, you know,

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And I think they appreciate that stuff in Europe more

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as well, and you're so right, because I thought COVID

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would change things over here in the US, and you know,

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because it was before COVID everybody was complaining about every

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festival and blah blah blah, and they're still doing it now.

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And it's like. One of the things that blows my mind,

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to your point is if a band drops out for

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whatever reason, how many people get on here in the

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US and they're like, oh, now I don't even want

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to go to the festival. The only reason I was

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going for that band. I'm like thinking, that's dumb. First

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of all, the reason go a festival is you find

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all these new bands. That's how I find all my

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new favorites. And second of all, they're not playing their

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normal set that they would for their concerts. So if

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that's who you want to see, just go to their concert.

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If that's the only band you want to see, yeah,

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where's Europe? Like, it blows my mind. We were just

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talking about in the UK too. I was just at

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Bloodstock in the UK and there were bands playing at

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ten thirty in the morning and those, as you know,

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those festivals, people are like partying all night long or

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having fun all night long.

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It's not like a limited time.

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And there were huge crowds for these bands that nobody

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ever heard of at ten thirty in the morning, And

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that says it all right there, like you know, that's

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that's the way it should be for all of them.

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Yeah, you're right, I mean that's the way. I mean.

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Look at when you think back about Woodstock. I mean

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a lot of those bands were unknown. I mean Santana

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and all those band you know, they played Woodstock, and

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once they played Woodstock and people for their music, you know,

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they gave them that boost, you know, to be successful.

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So and I think you know, in today's world where

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you're doing it, and there's so many festivals, you know,

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like everywhere, you know, and and if a lot of

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times a band that's maybe relatively well known has to

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cancel out, say right, and then all of a sudden,

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the agency that's booked us, all we got to come

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up with a band. So they pull a band from

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the roster that you know, maybe not that well known,

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throw them in that slot on the festival, and they

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get to play in front of a lot of people,

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and it gives that band a really chance to like

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expose themselves to like a new audience, you know. So

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it is good, you know, I mean, there's there's a

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lot so much going out there on out there, you know,

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there's so many different types of music obviously as far

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as even as hard rock, heavy metal goals, and you

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need to be out there and exposure self. And now

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that the internet is, we have the Internet, and it's

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so easy to record and so easy to get your

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music out there that you know, musicians can do that,

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you know, without having to sacrifice themselves and being under

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control of a record label. Because back in the day, uh,

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you know, you couldn't be heard unless you had a

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record deal with a record you know, So now that's

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not the case. You know, you can you can make

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a record on you you can make record on your computer.

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You can put it out there on the Internet and

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be heard. And you know, as far as booking jobs

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or you know, agencies or whatever, you know, you can

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sure you can do that on your own tool or

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get hooked up with an agency. But it's much easier now,

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you know, for a band to be to get their

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music out there than it was back in the day

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when you you know, you were basically at the mercy

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of a record label.

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Yeah, totally.

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And that's one of the things I do love about

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today because to your point earlier, you know, yeah, there's

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the business side and then there's the artist's side. And

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I've always believed, going back to the eighties when I

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sat backstage on the Sunset Strip when they'd signed some

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of these bands, let you know what, the suits should

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do the business end, and the artists should do the

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creative ent. Never ever should the business people tell the

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artists how to create music.

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No, I know, you know, it's and it's I mean,

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there's just so many stories that, uh, you know, prove

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that point, you know what I mean. Unfortunately, a lot

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of times the musicians aren't you know, money is not

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their object, right, They're not doing it for money, They're

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doing it for the love of it. So in the

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end of the whole thing, the people that are running

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the business end are the ones that end up making

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all the money. So saying the end of a person's career,

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you know, if they're if I'm coached or handled or

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managed by someone that's going to be able to say, well,

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you you are making some money. Now, let's let's kind

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of like do something right with it, so that like

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later on in years. You know, you're going to be

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taken care of her, You're going to have money. And

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I think a lot of bands, you know, were taking

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advantage of in their early days because record companies and

439
00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:29.160
publishing companies demanded so much from artists and the artist

440
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.359
of the one that's creating the whole thing that's making

441
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:34.359
you know what I mean, And the artist was always

442
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.039
the one at the bottom of the total pole getting paid.

443
00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.519
So yeah, you know, it's it's different, and it's it's

444
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:46.119
sad in no way, because music is an art form.

445
00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.319
It's just like anything to see. If you're an artist,

446
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.039
if you're a painter, you know, or any kind of

447
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.319
art form, a dancer, an actor or whatever. You know,

448
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.119
you're doing it for the love of your art, you know.

449
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:01.000
And it's very easy to be taking advantage of people

450
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.720
that are doing it where their motivation is only to

451
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:09.079
make money. Yeah, if they feel that they can make

452
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.759
money with you doing what you're doing, then then we'll

453
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.160
take advantage of it, you know.

454
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.400
Yeah, And to your point, like back in the eighties,

455
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.880
I saw it plenty, you know that people, these record

456
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:25.039
labels would feed the artists, the party lifestyle, the women,

457
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:29.079
the drugs, the alcohol to everything for that exact reason,

458
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:32.200
in my opinion, So they could make a ton of

459
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.160
money and the artist has no clue what's going on

460
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:37.279
and gets screwed over.

461
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.039
Yeah, that's true. It's true. That's why you need a

462
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.039
good you need a good honest manager at the time,

463
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.880
you know, which you know, if you have a good

464
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.799
honest manager, you're lucky, you know. You know, you've heard

465
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:55.279
horror stories about even relatives that were big artists managers

466
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.559
that got screwed, you know. So you know, there's just

467
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:04.119
so many variable, so many different points about it. It is.

468
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:09.039
It's basically a dirty business, you know. So in the

469
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:11.559
music business, I love it, you know, It's been my

470
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.680
whole life really, you know, I've written songs, are recorded

471
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.519
and you know, played out live and been you know,

472
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.200
it's been my whole life really and I love it,

473
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.960
you know. But it can it can be pretty dirty.

474
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.400
Also, and that's why it's great nowadays for an artist

475
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.519
like you. You know, you can put out the music

476
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.359
you want to put out. You don't have to listen

477
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:35.279
to anybody. You can just be your own creative self.

478
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:40.160
And here the end result is Wild Dog's Unchained, which

479
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:46.440
is a badass album. And I'm always impressed with artists

480
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.079
that can still write new music this many years later.

481
00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.440
I sit there and I think to myself, I'm like, wow,

482
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.200
how did they come up with new material after all

483
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:56.839
these years?

484
00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:58.519
But it.

485
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.440
Somebody like you proves that that it can be done.

486
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.279
And of course there's playing to talk about nowadays, you know.

487
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.240
Yeah, And you know, the thing is like, you know,

488
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.799
just to go back just from for me and like

489
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.559
when I when I started playing in Rownie's band, you know,

490
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:15.960
it was before even it was ELF. It was Ronnie

491
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.400
d On the Profits. You know, from that whole transition

492
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.960
from Ronnie d On the Profits to the electricals, the

493
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.440
Elves and then the ELF. You know, the writing process

494
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.039
began there for us, you know. And even those those

495
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.000
guys in the band were five years older than me,

496
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.160
so I got you know, I really got the benefit

497
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.359
of a great education from being you know, with Ronnie

498
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.079
and those guys, and you know, Ronnie became like my brother,

499
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.799
you know, and and nice. The thing the thing is

500
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:50.000
is like writing is something that like when when I

501
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:52.759
had to write songs for the Rods, you know, I

502
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.960
had to write songs that were basically designed for a

503
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.519
three piece hard rock, heavy metal band, they had a

504
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.839
singer that was more of a stylist rather than a

505
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.680
you know, a really good singer, you know, kind of

506
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:09.240
like we've been categorized as like, you know, an American Motorhead,

507
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.720
which is a compliment to me. You know, we've done

508
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.119
a quite a few gigs with Motorhead and they are

509
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.920
great guys, and I love the band. But you know,

510
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.519
if I was writing is in the process of writing

511
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.839
songs with Ronnie and the band as the singer who

512
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.759
is like the greatest singer of all times. You know,

513
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.240
you can write anything and he can sing it, and

514
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:32.160
he was he'll sing at the best, you know, So

515
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.799
when you have to write a song that's you know,

516
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.200
basically for a band that's you know, in an era

517
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:43.599
of time, that's uh, you know American type Motorhead, which

518
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:46.319
you're singing about partying and you know, rock and rolling

519
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.240
the whole thing. You have to write within that, within

520
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.000
that realm, you know, so that people get people in

521
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.559
the fance, can you know associate it with you know, yeah,

522
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.440
once uh we you know, the the Rods hadn't played

523
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.359
and you know, one of the last jobs we did

524
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.319
was last October and it was in Australia and we

525
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.119
did three shows there, three different cities. But after when

526
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.119
Ronnie passed away, and I got to see a lot

527
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:15.799
of Ronnie the last ten years of his life. We

528
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.480
spent a lot of time together, and he was such

529
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:24.359
an incredible lyricist and incredible musician and incredible singer, you know,

530
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.000
you know, and his lyrics to every song really meant something,

531
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.880
you know, whether it was you know, like stand up

532
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.240
and shout, or if it was something more serious, you know,

533
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.160
or if it was stuff that he did with Richie,

534
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.599
you know, in Rainbow that was more meeting, you know,

535
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:47.160
which was it was an incredible combination with him and Richie.

536
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.279
But you know, after that, I decided, like, you know,

537
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.559
like I don't want to write at this stage of

538
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.640
the game. I don't want to write about you know,

539
00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.599
like partying and rock and roll and some mean, yeah,

540
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.839
I could a Rod's album that's gonna be nothing thrashing

541
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.759
away at partying and rock and roll. But I wanted

542
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.279
to write something that was meaningful, you know, like Ronnie did.

543
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.759
You know, All his lyrics were meaningful, they meant them

544
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.839
and and in the last few years, I mean you know,

545
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.200
warl on Fire was written I wrote a couple of

546
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.720
years ago. I mean, the album's been delayed, so you know,

547
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.880
some of these songs were written a year or two ago,

548
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.559
you know, in the song like Tears for the Innocent,

549
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:34.160
you know, or that's basically about all these innocent people

550
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.839
getting killed the bombing and everything, you know, losing their homes,

551
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.640
losing everything, you know. So I wanted to write something

552
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:46.759
that was more not really Rod's style, because when you

553
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.720
hear some of these songs, you know, compared to like

554
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.440
songs ten, fifteen, twenty years ago that the Rods put out,

555
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.759
they're totally different.

556
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.559
Yeah, it's kind of like, I think they have more substance.

557
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.880
There's more substance. It's like, hey, did the Rods finally

558
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.880
grow up? Or you know, I mean, you know, we're

559
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.039
not wild dogs anymore, or like, you know, they're like

560
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.400
letting them go or unchaining them. But I wanted to

561
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.839
write songs that meant something. You know, whether there's some

562
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.440
good rock songs on the album with their rock and

563
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.240
roll songs, but I wanted to also have some songs

564
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.359
down there that meant something that was going on in

565
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.759
the world, you know, And I know, that's what Ronnie

566
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.000
did when he wrote his songs. His songs, you know,

567
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:37.079
really meant something even though his capabilities, his vocabulary, his

568
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:42.279
you know, his mind is like so far above anything

569
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.799
I could possibly do that I wanted. I wanted to

570
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.559
do that. I wanted to follow that path so that

571
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.400
people listen to it, you know, either going to go

572
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.920
along with it and say, yeah, that's cool, I agree

573
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:59.240
with that, or they're not. And that's basically what you know,

574
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.599
people have always done with music. You know, you listen

575
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.440
to a song, I love that song, or I hate

576
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.359
that song, you know, or when it comes to that

577
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.680
song on the album, I skip over it, don't play

578
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.960
the other songs. But anyways, that's that's that's I think

579
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.119
what is important to me right now is to be

580
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:24.319
able to put across in the songs that are right

581
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.319
in the in the handful of people that will will

582
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.799
you know, get an opportunity to listen to the songs

583
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.240
that actually want to write. We want to listen to

584
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.400
the songs. At least they're they're knowing like where my

585
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.319
head's are and where the band's heads are right now,

586
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.039
you know, because it is is it. It is a

587
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.200
big change when you when you listen to some of

588
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.240
these songs on this album.

589
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.319
But you know, what I think is key to what

590
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:51.160
you're saying that will make it makes this album successful

591
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.160
and good is that? So as an example, you take

592
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.359
a band like Blink one eighty two, okay, who is

593
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.160
really really popular, and when I I saw them at

594
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:04.079
a festival a few years ago, they were headlining the festival,

595
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.039
a lot of the people were like, you know, I

596
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:11.920
really liked them when I was fifteen, but I can't

597
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.519
relate now anymore, you know, And I think that's kind

598
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.400
of what is going on here, is like you can't

599
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.200
write the same music you did in the eighties because

600
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.960
we were all kids, you know, and it's like, you

601
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.319
got to write something now that's more appropriate for the

602
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:33.319
time that you're in in your life. You know, that

603
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.519
would make sense because then it's believable. You know, it's

604
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.720
more believable to write music the way you're writing now

605
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:42.480
than if you were to write the same thing that

606
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:43.519
you did in the eighties.

607
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:48.279
Yeah. You know, this particular new album has a couple

608
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.720
of remakes on one of them. One of them well

609
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.359
once Hurricane, which has always been one of the most

610
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.599
popular songs and excuse me, Carl came up with the idea,

611
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.160
let's do a couple of remakes on your son. I

612
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.119
wasn't really upward at first, but he goes, you know,

613
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.160
Hurricane is a song that everybody wants to hear. Let's

614
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.359
do a remake. And we have a new bass player now, Freddie,

615
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.200
who's been in the band a couple of years. And

616
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:15.359
the other song was one song was make Me a Believer,

617
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.359
which it was written like many many years ago, and

618
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.319
we never really did the song, never really recorded. It

619
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:25.839
was on a live project album that we did were

620
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:31.160
Schmook Avigaal at the time, sang the song and Freddie,

621
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.240
the bass player now, said oh, we need to we

622
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.359
should do that song. It's a great song. So I said, okay,

623
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.440
and so we did that song. And wild Dogs is

624
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.119
the other song that we did that is an older song.

625
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.000
Wild Dogs is a very popular album. But for some reason,

626
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.640
when we played live, we never played the song wild Dogs.

627
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.000
And that's because every time we worked it out to

628
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.440
try to play it live, it never really sounded like,

629
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.039
you know, like I should. It never sound like we're

630
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.200
making it sound heavy, you know. So Carl, for a

631
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.880
long time and Carl's on I wrote that song, and

632
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.559
he would say to me, rock, you know, you've got

633
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.599
to you got to redo that song. You got to

634
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.920
rewrite it, you gotta you gotta rearrange it. You gotta

635
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.039
do something and make it sound heavy, you know, make it,

636
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.000
make it good so we can play it live. You know.

637
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.760
It's like you know these it's like for years. It

638
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:26.599
seems like for years, you know, I kind of like

639
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.159
let that go in one ear and out the other.

640
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.880
I never really thought about doing, well, what am I

641
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.480
going to do with this song? You know that kind

642
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.559
of thing. So before we recorded this last album, he said, Jesus,

643
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.639
there's something you can do with wild Dogs, you know.

644
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.159
So I said, okay. So I finally sat down with

645
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.880
a guitar and I I tried to do things something

646
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.920
to it. So I rearranged the song, changed you know,

647
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:50.320
the lyrics a little bit and uh. And I showed

648
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.039
it to Carl and he loved it. He goes, oh,

649
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.800
that's great. You know, it's so much heavier, it's so

650
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.320
much better. It's we gotta be we have to record

651
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.039
that song. So that's why we did that song. And

652
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.039
and it does sound a lot better than the original.

653
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.280
It's different obviously, but it's a song we probably could

654
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.639
do live now because of the arrangements a little different,

655
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.480
but that was a popular song. So those are those

656
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.960
are like three of the older two of them. Anyways,

657
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.159
the older songs that we did. The newer songs are

658
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.199
just basically new songs. But it's funny because no matter

659
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.880
and it's happened a number of times, you know, people

660
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.639
want It's just like when you go see Julis Priest,

661
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:31.119
you want to hear Living After Midnight, you know. Yeah,

662
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.000
those kind of songs that were big hits at the time.

663
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:39.559
You know, there's songs that we've done through the years

664
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.679
that were songs that we'd put on the last cut

665
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.760
of an album because it was we thought it was

666
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.719
the worst song that we ever came up with. You know.

667
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:49.480
We just put it on as a filler as the

668
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.760
tenth or eleventh song, and we never learned. We never

669
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.920
played it live, you know, and we'd have somebody at

670
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.239
a show come up to us and go, hey, are

671
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.199
you guys gonna play such and such a song, And

672
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.199
we look at you know, it's like no, and it's

673
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.480
like that song. You know, it's like, you know, We

674
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.519
would never think of playing that song. We hated that song.

675
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.679
We didn't think it was a good song. But that

676
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.679
was somebody else's favorite song, right, you know, which is

677
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.000
so you never know, you know what it's going to be,

678
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.480
like all of the songs. But but but it is

679
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.519
important for me right now to write a song and

680
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:28.800
that has some meaning to it. And and I've been

681
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.480
criticized in the past for you know, writing protest songs.

682
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.400
You know, I'm not really a protest songwriter, but I

683
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.960
want to. I want to feel like I write something

684
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.719
that has some meaning that other people can relate to,

685
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.800
and it can express my feelings just the way I

686
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:46.199
feel about a certain situation.

687
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:48.519
I think it's great.

688
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.599
Like I think when people say that artists should not

689
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.000
use their pulpit for their opinions, I call bullshit.

690
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.960
That's that's exactly who should you know?

691
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.679
Like who who else is going to speak out to

692
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:06.480
a large crowd for those opinions? And you know what,

693
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.960
somebody may not agree with your opinions, and that's okay,

694
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.400
But then there's other people that will agree with your.

695
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.159
Opinions, you know, and that's your people.

696
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:24.920
M definitely, so uh tell everybody eighth how they can

697
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.920
reach out to you guys on the web, on social media,

698
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.480
get the new album that just dropped or is dropping

699
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.800
in a couple of days. I mean, uh, and uh

700
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.199
where they can catch you live and all all that

701
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:37.880
good stuff.

702
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:46.440
Well let's see, I uh. Since since we started getting

703
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.360
calls from you know, people that want us to play here,

704
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.639
and now we've kind of like instead of you know,

705
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.760
people calling three different phone numbers, it's kind of like

706
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.960
put Carl in charge of like taking all the calls,

707
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.679
you know, so it's like one connection. And then that way,

708
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.679
when he gets a call and says hey, he'll call

709
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.400
us and we'll say, hey, somebody from Brazil wants is

710
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.719
to company this festival. This is what they're offering. Blah

711
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.440
blah blah, what do you want to do? We talk

712
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.599
about it and we say when we make a decision,

713
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:18.280
he gets back. So it's one content as far as

714
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:23.519
like where you can get the album, I guess the

715
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.320
normal places, I mean, YouTube, whatever, whatever, the internet. You know,

716
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:33.960
I'm not really a person that's like very the right

717
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.800
word to say.

718
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.199
It's basically everywhere know where to find your music. It's there.

719
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.000
You can find the music where you're going to find

720
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.800
the music. You know, you just put in the like

721
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.719
right now they've released I guess the World on Fire

722
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.280
is out as like the single before they will release.

723
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.679
I mean, people ask me, like where can I hear it?

724
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:59.079
I said, type in World on Fire the rods, somewhere,

725
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.679
Something's going to come up somewhere. We're gonna be able

726
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.320
to hear the song. As far as live shows go,

727
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:12.960
we don't have anything scheduled right now. We actually didn't

728
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.800
play any live shows just last summer because we were

729
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:22.440
supposed to have this album completed, mixed, mastered, artwork and

730
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:26.039
everything done by the end of this last August, because

731
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.880
the album was supposed to come out and last January,

732
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.920
you know, I'm talking about the August prior was supposed

733
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.360
to come out that last January, so we didn't take

734
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.599
any you know, a lot of these dates are booked

735
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.639
a year ahead of time, so we like turned down

736
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.800
some dates because we need to devote the time to

737
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.320
finishing this album. You know, for me, it's like all

738
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:48.519
we're gonna do. You know, the record label picked up

739
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.360
the option for the other label. All I got to

740
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.519
sit down, I gotta write ten songs. You know, it's

741
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:55.840
not something that I can do in like five minutes.

742
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.960
So it's like there was pressure there. And I granted,

743
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.760
I'm always you know, I always have ideas. I always

744
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.960
have titles. It's just like putting them together and then

745
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.960
making them a song that has some kind of meaning.

746
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.159
It takes time. So you know, we didn't take any

747
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.440
jobs for this last summer because of that. We wanted

748
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.559
to devote all the time because we had a deadline.

749
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.559
As it turned out, the label had its own problems

750
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.440
within itself. The album was never released when it was

751
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.440
supposed to be released, so we really got pushed back, pushback,

752
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.760
and so we actually lost out on some time we

753
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.840
could have played some live shows, and we saved our

754
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.559
time because we did get the album done and everything

755
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:43.880
was ready and turned into the label by the end

756
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:49.039
of a year ago this last August. So right now

757
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.039
we're hoping that when people hear this album it will

758
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.079
generate some kind of interest that they want us to

759
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:57.360
do some shows for next year.

760
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.360
You know, I'm sure it will.

761
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.280
Yeah, I'm hoping because you know, I miss playing, we

762
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.639
all the three of us, do you know, And I

763
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.119
miss playing. I miss being out there. That's like, that's

764
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.440
like the drug, you know, the drug being out there

765
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.440
on stage with the audience, with the fans, communicating with them.

766
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.519
You know, that's the drug that keeps you going, you know,

767
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.159
and and I miss it. So I hope that I

768
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.360
hope that this new album will generate some interest with

769
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:33.480
some promoters and some uh you know, people that are

770
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:36.639
in charge of booking different places, that'll it'll put us

771
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.079
in some areas where that you know, people like yourself

772
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.760
and people from around the world are you know, we're

773
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.800
doing interviews with it. It's like even places now I've

774
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.280
never played before, and you know, we want to go

775
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.360
play there, you know, but in order to go play there,

776
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:56.840
you have to be you know, uh, you have to

777
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.679
be in the interest of some promoter that's putting on

778
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.800
a fire. There's something there, you know. So I guess

779
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.880
if enough people listen to the album, and enough people,

780
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:09.599
if the album becomes popular enough, and then the promoters

781
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.800
will see that this album is popular enough so that

782
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.519
the band can drop. You know. It's like a whole

783
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.800
Visius circle. But anyways, long story short, I'm hoping that

784
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.880
we get to come and play some shows next year.

785
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.400
Well, I do all the Danny Wimmer festivals in the States.

786
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.039
So I'm playing right out out there right now that

787
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.280
wimor needs to get the rods on the Danny Wimmer Festival.

788
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.559
Well, that's that's good. That's good.

789
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.199
There you go, that'd be great.

790
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.519
You know, most of these places that we play out

791
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.800
of the country, you know, it's like weird, you know.

792
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.960
I mean, it's like hardly ever doing a festival of

793
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.920
any kind in the States. I mean, back in the day,

794
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.559
we did a lot of touring with Judas Priest, you know,

795
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.920
down through the South, Ozzie we did. You know, we

796
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.559
did dates with a lot of people, and some of

797
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.800
them were in the States. But I'm not sure if

798
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.239
like the heavy metals seeing what it's like, if it's changed,

799
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.480
you know, in certain areas of the States, because you know,

800
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:06.960
when you take the whole United States compared to the

801
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.000
whole size of Europe, I mean, it's it's quite a

802
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.639
difference in size. You know, So when you're in Europe

803
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.519
and you're driving from country to country, it's like driving

804
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.880
from state to state here totally, not even not even

805
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.199
as far. So you can do a lot of different

806
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.239
countries as a part. Like if you're driving from you know,

807
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.400
in the United States, New York to LA.

808
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.880
I mean, you know, it's a long way, so no doubt.

809
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.639
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter where it is. Well,

810
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.480
you know, we love playing in the States, love playing

811
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.360
in any other countries too, you know, and we'll just

812
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:42.960
I'm just hoping that, you know, we get a chance

813
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:44.239
to do that for this coming year.

814
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.840
I hope you do too. I'll be there. I love it.

815
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.719
I love the new album and everybody has to check

816
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.800
it out. And I'm so happy that you guys are

817
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.719
writing new music as relevant to today and still rock

818
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.519
in our world. So thank you for that, and thanks

819
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.360
for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

820
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.159
Happy to be here, thanks for having me, sure, thank you.

821
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.679
Hey are you rockers? This is David rock fin Stein

822
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.039
from the Rods and you're looking into the Pipemin on

823
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:31.480
W for cy Radio. Thank you for listening to the

824
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.400
Adventures of Pipemin.

825
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.480
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