Jan. 27, 2026

Less Than Jake 25 Years Borders & Boundaries - Steve Hackett Florida Genesis Shows

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Season 20

Season 20, Episode 10 of The Adventures of Pipeman.

It’s the Pipeman in the Pit weekly segment of The Adventures of Pipeman.

Chapter 1:

STEVE HACKETT ANNOUNCES 'BEST OF GENESIS & SOLO GEMS' SHOW FOR A LIMITED 2026 RUN IN FLORIDA

His new show celebrates the 50th anniversary of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, and Steve Hackett includes a selection of highlights from this iconic Genesis album.

Accompanying Steve for these dates will be long-standing musicians Lalle Larsson (keyboards), Nad Sylvan (vocals), Jonas Reingold (bass, guitar, backing vocals), Rob Townsend (saxophone, flutes, additional keyboards, backing vocals), and Felix Lehrmann on drums.

Wed. 02/25/26 in Ponte Vedra Beach, FL at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall
Thu. 02/26/26 in Clearwater, FL at Ruth Eckerd Hall
Fri. 02/27/26 in Orlando, FL at The Plaza Live
Sun. 03/01/26 in Ft. Lauderdale, FL at Au-Rene Theater/Broward Center For The Performing Arts

It has been 12 years since STEVE HACKETT brought his classic Genesis Revisited show to us.

Back then, in 2013, his North American and UK tours culminated in his acclaimed performance at London’s Royal Albert Hall and the following release of the live DVD of that performance.

Since then, Steve’s timeless guitar work has been woven throughout the classic Genesis albums of the '70s. In recent years, he and his world-class band have brought several of these albums back to concert halls to even greater acclaim, and the 2025 tour featured the classic album ‘The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway’.

Chapter 2:

LESS THAN JAKE CELEBRATES 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF ‘BORDERS & BOUNDARIES’ W/ SPECIAL 25TH ANNIVERSARY REISSUE on Fat Wreck Records

LESS THAN JAKE - Out Now - Look What Happened (single)…

Ska-punk veterans Less Than Jake are celebrating a major milestone with the 25th anniversary reissue of their fan-favorite record, Borders & Boundaries. Originally released in 2000, the record quickly became a defining moment in the band’s storied career. To mark the occasion, the band will release a special 25th Anniversary Edition featuring a 2xLP set and six previously unreleased demos, giving fans a deeper look at the music than ever before. The big news arrives exactly 25 years to the day since Borders & Boundaries first hit the world.

It's been TWENTY FIVE YEARS!!!!

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Adventures pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And I'm

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very excited about our next guest. Who oh my god,

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like time just flies. They have an album called Borders

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and Boundaries. It's fricking twenty five years old. That that

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blows my mind. I don't even think I'm over twenty

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five years old. But let's welcome to the show. Chris

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from Lesson Jake, how are you?

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I'm fantastic, how are you?

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You know?

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You said that like shockingly, you can't believe how much

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time has passed, right when you looked at my face.

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So I was like.

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Like that son of a bitch, I know right right, Listen.

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It is wild how quick time goes, isn't it. Like

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I sit there and I think about twenty five years

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I'm like, wait a minute, that's like my whole life.

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And I'm like, oh wait, it's not.

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Yeah.

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You know, when when I was a kid, I would

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notice all my elders, you know, people in their late forties,

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early fifties, elders, right, I would notice them just kind

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of checking out and not giving a damn about anything.

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You're like, God, they're just so apathetic. You just stop caring.

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When you get older, you realize, man, I'm on the

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back nine here, Like I can't worry about all this

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you know, support for us stuff that I've been worried

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about my whole life, student stuff.

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I figured out the actual reason and solution for that.

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Actually yeah, because you know, like people call it midlife crisis.

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First of all, not everything has to be a crisis.

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But I figured out what it really is. It's not

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midlife crisis. It's like you have teenage you who is

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anti authority, anti your parents, anti everything except your friends.

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Those are the people you need to impress, is your

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friends and your peers. And then you become an adult,

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you know, a young adult, and then now it switches

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because you know everybody's calling you kid because and you're like,

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I'm not a kid. So you start like you know,

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you become this other part of you, which is adult

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you that does the opposite. It's like you want to impress,

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and people want to impress their bosses or they want colleagues,

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or they do sometimes while I'm impressed authority. And then

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once you hit like over that forty age, you're like,

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you don't have to prove shit to anybody anymore, and

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you can finally just be you, and you kind of

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I think it's a combination of that teenage adult you

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that you finally find the real you.

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that springs off what I was saying. I just think that, yeah,

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you get to the point where either you find the

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real you or you go down a path that's just

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destructive and dark, and you go through all that. You know,

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and we've all had our moments, but you know, I

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don't think I've ever had a midlife crisis so to speak.

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That's been a bad thing. I just, you know, you

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just stop doing things that no longer serve you.

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No doubt. I think of it more like it was

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a teen life crisis, because like, I'm thankful that I didn't,

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you know, go down another traductory and all the stupid

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shit I did when I was a teenager. But man,

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I love that you have to spec show twenty fifth

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anniversary reissue. So tell us more about it and like

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why people should get this cool, you know, reissue of

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what an amazing album.

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record up for the anniversary so we could print the

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last reissue that we did or I was like, there's

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got to be extra stuff I know we have, So

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we went and the archives we all did, and look

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for extra demos and things that we've never shared before.

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So that that's what makes it on this re release.

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I don't think we're gonna be able to do that again.

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I don't think there's any other unreleased tracks at this point.

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I think this is like maybe the third time we've

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done this. I know Fat Records had done a reissue

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at one point, so again we would oppressed the record

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and celebrate at the twenty fifth anniversary either way, but

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we thought we would at least repackage it for the

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collectors and you know, put some extra extra stuff on there.

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released before, what makes them to where they weren't released

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in the past and that now is a good time.

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Again, just the re release. We these are stuff that

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I had found in my collection actually of you know,

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I have one of those huge tubs you put, like,

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you know, Christmas ornaments or stuff in in your garage,

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you don't you only use once a year. I have

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like a tub in there, just filled, you know, with

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with mementos and things from from our past. And one

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of them is filled with just CDs and cassette tapes

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and test pressings or records, et cetera. And I found

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a CD from the from the Sessions, a bunch of

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demos and stuff that we had done at Rogers House

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prior to going to California to track the records. So

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that's what that's what's made it on here.

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See. I love stuff like that, because isn't it kind

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of cool when you do go through like these tubs

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of things you've stored that are like from time a

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time pass and you open them up and it's like

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it's like you're getting birthday presence because you forgot you

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even had most of that stuff.

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lot of those boxes. Those boxes you open up, you

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move five times, and like there's this chords and there

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You're like, well, we don't use these anymore, but you

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know what I might need it someday. No, you don't

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throw it away. So I'm pretty organized here. I'm in

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my memento room. I have everything that Lesson Jake's ever

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released in this room right here. Really, really, the only

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thing I have shoved in the closet are all those

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extra CDs, cassettes of remixes and demos and practice tapes

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and those things. And I don't think the practice cassettes

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are ever going to see the light of day, but

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we'll see.

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You never know, you never know, and listen to it.

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It is funny. I've gone through that recently too, where

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I'm going through stuff that I've I've probably moved twenty times,

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and I'm like, why am I saving this? But then

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there's other stuff that's gold, like what you're releasing on

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this reissue that is like, oh my god, this is cool.

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I need to do something with this.

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Well it's interesting too.

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You know.

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My mom was a big like she saved and sent

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it to me when I went away to college. She

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saved every birthday and Christmas card I got as a

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kid from all the rebels. She had him in books

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and she sent me with all this stuff and at

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some point I just would purge it over the years

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and I love you, mom, no offense, but you know,

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you just start you stop having room for stuff. And

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I remember talking to Rob Cavallo, who was green produced

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all those Green Day records and signed Green Day. Rob

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produced a less than Jake record called Anthem, which was

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the follow up to Borders and Boundaries. And we were

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talking one day and I'm like, he was talking about

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this band he was in the eighties, and like, oh man,

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you gotta dig up some pictures and come in and

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show me. He's like, I don't have any.

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I go, what do you mean.

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He's like, I don't have any pictures of me from yesterday.

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And I'm like, what are you talking about. I'm like,

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you like, you know, you think, like is this guy

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in the Witness Protection program or something? And I'm like,

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what are you talking about. He's like yeah, He's like

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at some point I just threw all that stuff out.

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He's like, I don't need pictures. All my memories are

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up here.

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And he was dead.

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He was dead serious like anything. Yesterday's clutter that's already gone.

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It's a cash check. I'm moving here. And I'll never

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forget that about him. And you'll notice I consider Rob

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at least a musical genius in the way that he thinks.

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And you'll notice that with people genius and severe autistic

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like that can do crazy stuff, they don't listen to

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the noise. They're like this tunnel vision going straight ahead.

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And I've thought about Rob a lot over the years

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when I've been cleaning stuff. Why am I hanging onto

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this for what? It doesn't serve me anymore?

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Get rid of it.

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And I'm a big believer too of that clutter. When

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you have that clutter, it clutters your mind. So to

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your point, if you're I think part of the reason

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is such an amazing musician is because there it's free

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in his head to be able to get creative.

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Yeah, I think so, you know, I know, when you know,

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sometimes negativity and strife can make a great song and

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create great art. I'll agree with that, but you know,

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everyday life, it doesn't bode well for.

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Me right exactly? So what else do we have going

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on here in twenty twenty six that we want to

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let the listeners know, well.

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We're going to be releasing some songs. We got offered

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some different projects this year, so we recorded a couple

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songs at the end of last year that we're gonna

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throw around and then we're collecting ideas putting things together

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for a new record. We're kind of toying with doing

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an album. We're going to be over in Europe this

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summer playing festivals of course, doing the Winter Circus UK

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run that's coming up here, and just staying busy doing

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what we do. You know, we're out there for I

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don't know, probably one hundred shows a year, still flying

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around doing our thing.

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Man, it's great.

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So I want to know as somebody that also goes

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to them as well as how do you compare the

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festivals in the UK, the festivals in Europe and the

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festivals in the US UH as an artist, Yeah, you know.

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I will always prefer the UK festival. Just the mystique

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of all the books I read growing up and now

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getting to see a lot of the YouTube videos of

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reading and leads from the seventies and you know, reading

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about Deep Purple being there, Whitesnake and all these bands

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that I grew up listening to and then getting to

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play reading and leads and download and they're just class festivals.

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The enormity of it. You know, that was the first

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time I ever walked to a festival that big was

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reading and leads because Lesson Jacob had played there and

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I had been to other you know, amphitheater festival shows,

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warped tours in the United States, so certainly I've seen

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a lot of people, but this was an enormity on

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another level. When you look at the main stage, it

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was like six stories tall and you know, the scaffolding,

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what is going on like this is you know, uh,

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next level. So I'll say I'll go with the UK

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for still being my favorite. European festivals are dialed in

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and there's great ones in the US, and there's also

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crappy festivals everywhere too, And that's for another.

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Podcast that's totally true. That would actually make a good

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podcast episode. Oh my god, I.

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Could talk for hours. I'd be your first ten guests

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there you go, yeah, you and everything from the rotten

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catering to the h the toilet accommodations.

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We could go on. Oh yeah, and you know, I

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have to agree with you with the UK festivals. I

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love doing the UK festivals, that's a press person. I

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think the way they treat press too is like next

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level compared to anywhere else. It's like they make the

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job easier for the musician, for the press people and

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everybody crew and everybody involved.

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sense where I wouldn't expect that that they the press

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than anywhere in the world. That's that's just a true,

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a true fact. So I agree with you. I've never

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been a journalist going in, but they're always organized as

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an artist, like you're going here for ten minutes, and

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they drag you to the next one boom boom boom.

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Then then you're out. You're gonna go and enjoy lunch.

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So oh yeah, yeah, it's funny you should say that

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because it's kind of a peeve of mine because if

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I'm told listen, you have ten minutes, I'm gonna be

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finished at nine point fifty nine. Now, a lot of

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the US festivals, the person before you will go on

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for like thirty minutes, and it's like that domino effect.

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But I think also the media people in the UK

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at the festivals, they work together like instead of all

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being separate andies, it's like they all have each other's back.

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you guys, the artists, because listen, you are a tight

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time schedule, so you know, doing stuff like that, it's

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important that everybody be on time. And then just the

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way you're treated, like, I've never heard anything bad said

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about anybody that runs a UK festival that I know of.

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So I'm sure there's bands out there that could tell

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you otherwise, but UK has always been been awesome.

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And how about Fat Wreck Records because I love them,

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but I think it's really a testament to you know,

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when bands like you have been with them like forever,

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you know, because that doesn't always happen.

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on Pure Noise, but Fat has still does reissues and

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does stuff for us. Of course we've done a couple

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of records with them. The original Borders and Boundaries was

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on Fat and Fat Records is now we're going to

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be re releasing our stuff with Hopeless because Fat getting Yeah,

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Fat is gonna Fat is getting absorbed by Hopeless. I

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don't know exactly when that's going to happen, but yeah,

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Fat Records came along at a great time for Less

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than Jake. We had recorded Borders and Boundaries for our

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third as our third Capitol Records release, so it was

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funded from Capital money and we got the mixes back.

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We still thought we were on Capitol and then we

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got dropped. And during this time, the president, our a

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and our person and you hear this a lot from bands,

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that everyone was gone and we got to sign this

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this and our guy who had been Megadeth tour manager

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for years, I think he maybe managed Megade's for a

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little while, this guy, Ron Lafitte, and Ron came in

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and it just didn't, you know, for us. This guy

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came in and we were he was handed us and

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you know, didn't really know what to do with us.

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Is you could tell his heart wasn't in it. So

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when they decided to drop us, we were like, well,

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this is great. We got this record and Fat Mike

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picked it up immediately and stamped Fat Records on it,

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paid Capitol Records outright for the money they put into it,

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and it was the greatest thing that could have happened

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to us. In hindsight, at the time, we didn't really

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care because we had a fan base that we were

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touring on and luckily back then there was no such

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thing or thought of a three sixty deal, so we

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were just raking in at the box office. Building this career.

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It's like, oh, we're not in a major anymore, it

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doesn't matter. We're still going to pull into Detroit and

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there's going to be fifteen hundred kids there wanting to

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see us play. So no harm, no foul. But it

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was the greatest thing because we now had legitimacy as

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a punk band on Fat Records. When we went to Europe,

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it was like our audience doubled because we were on

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Fat Records, which was really ironic because Borders and Boundaries

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up to that point was our most commercially accessible record.

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If you go listen to it, it was our cleanest production.

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We had some radio songs on there, and it wasn't

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that we were necessarily shooting for that. You know, we

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didn't have any outside writers. It was all in house still.

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But we were growing and maturing. You know, we weren't

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just punk kids anymore. We were learning how to play

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our instruments. So it all worked out and it ended

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up being great.

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And speaking of that, like, it's funny you say learning

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how to play your instruments, because it's so true. You know,

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with anybody that's been in punk, what does it feel

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like to play in a punk band now after being

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doing it for so long? What's the differences for you

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as a musician.

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Oh well, at some point I realized that nobody's ever

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commented about how much energy I have on stage. I

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was talking about the band's energy. But you know, they've

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never once said a man, Chris is jumping off drum risers,

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He's jumping up in the area, he's po going half

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the set. And I've always been athletic. I've always exercised.

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I still do keep keeping shape, you know, cardio. And

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I realized at some point, no one's ever said anything

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because they don't care. You're beating the hell out of

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yourself for what. And I realized that once I wasn't

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hiding behind that anymore because I was a defense mechanism

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in the early days. I knew I wasn't that great,

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We weren't that great, So just jump around and go

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crazy everyone's drunk anyways, no one's going to give them

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give a rats. But you know, you want to get

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better at you at your craft. And I realized that

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if I just moved a little bit less, I can

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still rock out. The cords are a little cleaner, I'm

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not as much out of breath, I could sing a

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little better. And so there was a little bit of

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that growth that's happened over the years. Taking care of

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myself during the day, you know, not burning my candles.

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I go to bed at home at the same time

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every night I get up, and that's now the same

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thing with you know, being on the road. I try

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to try to keep the same schedule.

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Yeah, and you know, I love that you said that,

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because it is kind of true. I sometimes I look

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at musicians, specially the young ones, are doing what you're describing,

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and like, man, how do they playing their guitar jumping

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around and flipping around like that? And and I'm usually

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in awe. But then I listen to you and I'm like, well,

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that makes a lot of sense that you're actually going

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to be a better musician. You're actually well.

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Also, remember, you know, and this isn't any disrespect. A

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lot of the bands can go that crazy because they're

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using backing tracks today.

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That's just that's just.

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A fact of of of modern music. We don't have

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backing tracks. It's we're we're out there warts and all.

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That's what you get. And so if I'm going to

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be out there, uh you know, uh naked at the

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class play, I might as well be halfway decent.

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Absolutely, And see you you said something I talk about

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all the time, and I think a lot of people

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don't even realize when it comes to punk bands specifically,

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is that you know, you do want to hone in

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on your craft and become at that or a musician,

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like you want to grow. A lot of times are

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hardcore fans as an artist, they want you to stay

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a garage band. But you as an artist, I mean,

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you're gonna want to grow if you're a true artist.

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Yeah, I think so, you know, I think that there's

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you know, certainly, you know, Steve Jones is a better

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guitarist than he was in the seventies, you know for

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the pistols. But you know, how good do you want

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the pistols to be?

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You know what I mean?

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Like, how good do you want that to?

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You know?

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So you have to be reminded of that. It can't

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be too clean in pristine, because I also know that

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that frenetic energy and that looseness is what got us

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to where we were at, you know. I mean, I

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can look back to videos and just they're they're online

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and all the time. You know, once a year, I'll

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go to YouTube, just type in less than Jake nineteen

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ninety five, and inevitably someone found a VHS tape in

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their mom's closet over Christmas and they uploaded it to YouTube.

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And I'm watching it and it's like an out of

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body experience. Man, I'll be I'm like, I know that's me.

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I have no recollection of this, but there's a thousand

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kids losing their mind in Cleveland in this video, and

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I'm listening to the band with my eyes closed, going

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it's not that good. Then you open your eyes, You're like, Okay,

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as long as I don't have to listen to the

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band with my eyes and my ears, I can just

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listen with my eyes. It's uh, you know, but it

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didn't matter, and it's also where we were always. We

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still are our own worst critics.

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You know.

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I can't tell you how many times I've gotten off

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stage and been like, man, I phoned it in tonight,

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or that sucked. I was awful and you got that

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kid standing there, or multiple those I've seen you twelve times,

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that was the best I've ever seen you. And you're like, Okay,

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what do I know?

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Right? I'd love that feeling too, even I like, every

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time I get done with my radio show or I

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get done to an interview, I'm like, man, I fucking sucked,

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you know, yeah, But then I got like, oh, that

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was the best interview I've ever had. I'm like, oh really,

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and so yeah, I mean, I get it too, and

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but you guys are badass. I love that. Borders and

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Boundaries has a special twenty fifth anniversary reissue. Everybody has

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to go to Fat Records, Fat Wreck Records and go

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get it. Is there any other things that you want

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to let the listeners know that we haven't covered already.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four CY Radio. And I'm very excited about

445
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.240
our next guest because you know, our main studio where

446
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.119
I'm at right now is in South Florida, and this

447
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.240
is one of the most amazing musicians that's going to

448
00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:39.559
have some very special tour dates exclusively in several Florida locations.

449
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.519
So let's welcome to the show. Steve Hackett. How are you?

450
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Yeah, very well, thank you, Nice to be talking to you.

451
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How are you doing.

452
00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.400
I'm doing great. You're gonna be down here in Florida soon.

453
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.920
That's going to be pretty fun. So tell us a

454
00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.119
little bit about those shows you're doing here in Florida.

455
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.559
Sure, well, it's gonna be a kind of best of

456
00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:04.400
Jenna and solo stuff, so I'm looking forward to doing that.

457
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.720
It'll be the first dates with two new members of

458
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.400
the band, one guy i've worked with before, Felix Lehmann,

459
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:19.079
who's German from from Berlin, and a new keyboard player,

460
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.599
Lali Larson from Sweden, so he'll be one of three

461
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:28.240
Swedish guys I've got in the band and nice these

462
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.799
will be the first dates we're doing with with him.

463
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.119
So those guys have worked together before, I think in

464
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:39.960
a band called Agents of Mercy, the Nats and Swedish, Jonas,

465
00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:47.279
Ryan Gold Swedish and now Lali Larson. Kind of a

466
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.119
United Nations of a band, you know. I've had people

467
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:57.839
from the UK, from Europe, from everywhere, and later in

468
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.599
the year I get to work with guys and America

469
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:05.319
and Hungry. I'm going to be working with guys from

470
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.319
Hungry again soon. But the touring band that I'll have

471
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will be essentially my regular touring band with with the

472
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exception of Roger King, who's officially retired now. He says,

473
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.960
but maybe maybe he'll he'll keep going doing classical stuff.

474
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.519
I don't know. I think his first love is his

475
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:34.440
classical music, although he's done scores for films such as

476
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:39.880
A Cliffhanger and the Name of the Father, and I'm

477
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.279
very sorry to see him go. But I'm working with

478
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:44.640
you guys who happened to be brilliant.

479
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:50.839
Sometimes you guys bring a little more spark sometimes too, well,

480
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:51.799
that's right, yes.

481
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.599
I think you know that the level of enthusiasm from

482
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.599
guys I'm working with in the studio won't necessarily be

483
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.480
the same guys that I'm working with live and working

484
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:04.559
with an Italian keyboard player called Ricardo Romano in the

485
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:10.319
studio at the moment, and he's doing wonderful things. It's

486
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.559
rather wonderful. I'm reconnected with Nick Magnus as well. We're

487
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.799
going to be doing some things in the future. I

488
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.119
did lots of albums with him back in the day.

489
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.160
A few years after I left Genesis, I was working

490
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:29.839
with Nick. We were doing many albums together, so there's

491
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.000
a kind of continuity. But I think British music has

492
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.240
always been ambitious to include as many instruments and unlikely

493
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.000
instrumentation as much as possible. So I think we've always

494
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:49.279
orientated towards groups that can become orchestras that travel wander

495
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:55.440
off into places such as Azerbaijan, India, instruments from these

496
00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:03.799
places to have that kind of exotica in other words, rock.

497
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:10.400
Maybe it's a little bit like cinematic orchestral plus rock,

498
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:16.799
so that these atmospheres are interchangeable with each other. I

499
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.920
owe a lot to film music. I think my style

500
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.319
is probably hitting more towards film music than anything else.

501
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.319
So if mister Demill wants to give me a call,

502
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.359
that's fine, or his grandson indeed.

503
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.240
Very nice. I love hearing this because it is kind

504
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:39.880
of cool. I think when you can make music that

505
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.359
comes from like all over the world, because there's so

506
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.400
many different influences that can come into it to make

507
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:48.079
it unique.

508
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:53.599
Yeah, I think so. You know when you think about

509
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.559
the Russians with all the political suppression and all of

510
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.599
that coming up with it's wonderful romantic music and all

511
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:04.440
the experimental stuff as well, So those guys could really

512
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.799
orchestrate and came up with great melodies. I suspect the

513
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.039
weather had something to do with it. You know. You

514
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.519
know why did England have Shakespeare? It's probably because he

515
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.599
was stuck in doors because the weather was so awful.

516
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.960
I say that all you know, that's it.

517
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:23.079
But you know, hey, Florida, of course, yeah, we all

518
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.440
long to escape to Florida. That's what we dream of.

519
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.279
Well, you let speaking of weather, like, I go to

520
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.000
the UK twice a year to do festivals coverage over there,

521
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.519
and I love it there and I love it right

522
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.319
everything about except the weather. It's like, yeah, man, I

523
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.119
would I had one in a festival from ours, say

524
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.279
you should move over here so you could do all

525
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.720
the festivals, and I'm like, yeah, I would if the

526
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.440
weather was different. It's like polar there.

527
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:55.759
Yeah, exactly. Well, at the moment it's been I might

528
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.480
be doing England a disservice, but the reality is it

529
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.359
has been running for days, if not weeks, and every

530
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:05.759
day I'm going out, I'm feeding the animals and it's

531
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.759
got to be there's the food on the workground. Get

532
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:14.519
it quick, guys, because otherwise it's it's gonna be soggy

533
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:19.359
in the extreme. So yeah, yeah, it's the downside of

534
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.000
the UK. It's got a lot to recommend it, believe me,

535
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.920
totally the UK On a sunny day, London is a

536
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.480
wonderful place. But nobody comes to London for.

537
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.359
The weather, that's for sure.

538
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.680
Yeah, but that party.

539
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.319
But I do agree with that philosophy with the music

540
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.920
because I think about it. You know, what do you do,

541
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.759
like I'm originally from New York and New Jersey, what

542
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.079
you do during the winter, you basically hibernate. So when

543
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.160
when you hibernate, that's when your creativity can come out.

544
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:59.440
Yes, I think so it's always been the case. You know.

545
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:07.079
Have I spent so many hours pouring over a guitar. Yes, absolutely, England.

546
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:14.720
England fails you on so many levels, most of which

547
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:19.640
are are yeah to do with the Yeah, the conditions

548
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:21.640
we're supposed to be going out tonight, you know, so

549
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.359
it will be Yeah, you go out with an umbrella,

550
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.559
you go in the car and you're trying to avoid

551
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.680
the floods and and all of that because we've been

552
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.400
working hard, the team have been working hard at home.

553
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.240
So I've got to take him out to dinner.

554
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.319
There you go, that has to be done.

555
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.240
Yeah, you know, it's it's it has to be born

556
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:48.319
with with you know, with with grace, the the terrible,

557
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.839
the terrible weather here. But you know, you guys have

558
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.880
got it made over there. It's in some ways you

559
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.960
have a choice. You have a choice of weathers and

560
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.480
seasons with and within the borders.

561
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.599
Well, I think it's like I think the United States

562
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.160
is basically should be more like Europe because each state

563
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:14.079
does have, like you said, different weather, different cultures, different

564
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:19.400
types of people, different geography. It's kind of the same thing.

565
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.279
It's like, it's wild to me when I like drive

566
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.000
all over Europe, that to me, it's just like I

567
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.680
wouldn't even know I was going into another country, except

568
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.079
I saw the language change.

569
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.920
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's funny, you know, and you

570
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.680
watch the news every day and and you hear that

571
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.039
the Greenland might become part of New Jersey. I mean anything,

572
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:46.880
anything could happen, right, Oh my god.

573
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.599
It is a wild when you get to our stage

574
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.839
of life. It's a pretty wild world that we live in.

575
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.240
When you think about, like I think about stuff that

576
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.039
happened in the eighties that I thought probably wouldn't happen again,

577
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:07.000
and I think we're kind of there again in the eighties.

578
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.319
It's like, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's we

579
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.119
live in interesting times and nobody can really predict what's

580
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.079
going to happen tomorrow.

581
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:22.000
No, But it creates great music though, because like I think,

582
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:26.680
if you take some of the music from seventies eighties,

583
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.960
you could apply it to today just as well, you know,

584
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:37.480
and like listen, just like the weather, if the If

585
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.000
you're writing music, it comes from your experiences. After there's

586
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.200
a lot of experiences going on to write about. It

587
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.799
makes for a lot of creativity.

588
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.000
Well, I think so over the course of a lifetime,

589
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.680
you know, you know, when I was starting out, I

590
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.920
was buying guitar records. You know, at the age of nine,

591
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:03.000
I think and and I would buy all these guitar records,

592
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.160
you know, Dwayne Eddie and the Shadows and stuff that

593
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.559
all sounded like the Ventures. And then it wasn't really

594
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.119
until I heard the Rolling Stones version of I Want

595
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.279
to Be Your Man that I finally heard a guitar

596
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.799
that ripped. And I always knew that it could somewhere

597
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:24.440
in the back of my my you know, my esp

598
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.799
somewhere back there. Even as a kid, I thought this

599
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:32.480
instrument should rip, and now it does, of course, But

600
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.599
then you know, once you've achieved that. I mean, I

601
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.240
don't know about you, but I mean I was a

602
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:41.519
harmonica player ten years before I was a guitarist, and

603
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.160
then having played for years, when I was sixteen, I

604
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.440
saw Paul Butterfield playing harmonica and I thought, I don't

605
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.920
know anything about guitar. I don't know a thing about

606
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.559
harmonica playing, because he's reinventing the instrument. The sound of

607
00:33:54.640 --> 00:34:00.640
it was so powerful, so powerful, just incredible. I've been

608
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.799
I did do a blues album at one point, which

609
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.079
probably sold least well of all the things that I'd done,

610
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:14.840
classical things. Proggy things, etc. But there's something something about it,

611
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.599
you know, of the direct contact of that other instrument

612
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:26.320
that I trained to do and within a blues context.

613
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:30.760
I like it very much. But I'm also working on

614
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.679
the idea of a sort of a Middle Eastern influenced

615
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.039
blues harp sound. I believe that's possible. It's in the

616
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:44.960
margins of what's possible to create an instrument that people

617
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.039
are not necessarily going to recognize, but that I can drive.

618
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:51.639
I can handle shoving it through some of the stuff

619
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:59.159
that I reserved for guitar, usually an angle amp, an

620
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.960
old I think it's and the same fifty seven. I've

621
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.000
got the one that looks rather like a gun. I

622
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.239
wouldn't take it on on on a plane. You know

623
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.320
they're going to stop it. Yeah, stand away from the microphone,

624
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:13.880
so you.

625
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:19.119
Know, I actually get that. Like when I go to

626
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.159
travel for doing coverage at festival time all my equipment,

627
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.679
they always stop me like, what's this exactly?

628
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:31.280
Yeah, it's a microphone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've heard all

629
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.239
that before. It's it's a harmonica. You know, what do

630
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.360
you do with that? You know, while you're blow into

631
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:42.159
it and that's what you do. Yeah, it's it's the

632
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.159
most portable instrument you can possibly imagine, right, But there's

633
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.360
not too many gigs out there for even great harmonica players.

634
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.400
Stevie Wonder usually does it for everybody.

635
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.679
So yeah, he was. He was definitely great. John Popper

636
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.079
of Blues Traveler, it's pretty great.

637
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:08.719
Yeah, Charlie mussel White, Paul Butterfield, Little water By Williamson. Yeah,

638
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.400
they all have their own style.

639
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:17.880
And you know what's it's interesting. You know what's interesting too,

640
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:23.199
is that probably the most famous Sabbath song is one

641
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:26.760
with Arsie playing harmonica and he's not even a musician.

642
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.960
He always said he wasn't a musician. He was right, Yeah,

643
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.280
But like my of the most famous song as harmonica

644
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:34.559
in it.

645
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.519
Yeah, I mean I in the course of a lifetime,

646
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.679
I got to spend time with Larry Adler, for instance,

647
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.159
and I was asking him for tips on a harmonica,

648
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.960
even though I've been playing it all my life. I thought,

649
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.760
I'm not going to play harmonica in front of this guy.

650
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.599
He's got it down, you know. He can play Rhapsody

651
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.599
and Blue George Gershwin one hand on the piano, one

652
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.719
hand on the harmonica, and that was a party piece

653
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.320
for him. And he did it very well. It sounded

654
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:10.320
really really lovely. He's gone now, but and and Butterfield.

655
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.639
So you know, all my mentors in the harmonica world

656
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:18.360
have passed on. But then I'm going to mess around

657
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.639
with it, you know, put it through different octaves.

658
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.519
And you can carry on the legacy of them.

659
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:26.920
Yeah that's right, Yeah, that's right. You know. I think that,

660
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.679
you know, it's another string to your bow. Really, if

661
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.119
you can play another another instrument like that.

662
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.320
I think, if you're a true musician like U, y

663
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.480
experiment with all different types of instruments, you know, and

664
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.960
you look at somebody like Prince, and most people don't

665
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.800
even know that loved Prince, that he could play. I

666
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.960
don't even know there were so many instruments he could play,

667
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.920
you know. And I think it's just it becomes like

668
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:55.599
a hobby.

669
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:56.280
You know.

670
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.920
Let me see what other instrument. You know. I'm not

671
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.639
even good at instruments, and I feel that way. Like

672
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.599
I played drums, I played guitar. I was never really good.

673
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.239
But I not walk into a store and I'll see

674
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.760
a mandolin. I'm like, oh, maybe I should try that.

675
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.559
Well, there we are, I've played a mandolin. I'm not

676
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.840
brilliant at it, but with you know, patient attention to detail,

677
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.599
I think you can record something like that. And then

678
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.159
there's of course, you know, nylon guitar, classical guitar, flappingco guitar.

679
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.000
It's all very, very different to electric guitar. It's another

680
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:37.880
instrument entirely, yes, under the heading of guitar. But I've

681
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.119
also played it's a Vietnamese instrument which is like the

682
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:47.599
koto dinshine, and that's very, very beautiful. So I've recorded

683
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.199
that to good, good effect. Again, I think, you know,

684
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.599
when you're recording, it's you have the possibility to start

685
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.360
and stop pretty much like singing. You know, if you think, yeah,

686
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.760
you know, I think I can I can do a

687
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.119
better take as a singer, even professional singers will say, yeah,

688
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:09.159
I think I can hit that note more squarely, or

689
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.519
I can put more into it. And I was I

690
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:15.800
was doing this yesterday. I was recording some vocal stuff

691
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.920
and finding that I could if you let yourself go,

692
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:25.000
you can really rip if you want, and it's really

693
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:30.159
as strong as any rock singing I've heard. But you

694
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.559
have to be prepared to, you know, put the edge

695
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.320
on that. And I know a lot of people say

696
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.360
you can't sing, but actually you can whisper, and you

697
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:42.440
can shout and scream, and all of those things are

698
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.559
different voices that come in the same voicebox here. So

699
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.199
you can do that and you can learn to control it.

700
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.599
It can be learned. Peter Gabriel was saying this years ago.

701
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.119
He was saying, I believe singing is possible, he said,

702
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.920
he said, if I do it, than anyone can do it.

703
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.880
Here we are. You got it from the horse's mouth.

704
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.920
Oh there you go. I love hearing that because I

705
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.039
think we need more art in the world anyway, because

706
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:17.039
that's the ultimate uniter and it's the ultimate therapy, and

707
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:21.119
like so, I think everybody should be able to exercise

708
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:21.519
that art.

709
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:23.440
Well, I agree, you know, you've got to be able

710
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.360
to bring the world together. If we can get everyone

711
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.880
singing off the same page, if not the same hymn sheet,

712
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:34.400
then I think the subject of music, of course, is

713
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:40.800
to re energize people and heal in some cases. It's

714
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.920
very very powerful medicine, which is why we're involved with it.

715
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.519
There's so much too. I'm always telling the story of

716
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.519
If you read any of the books that were written

717
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.880
by Oliver Sacks, the doctor, the guy who basically wrote Awakenings,

718
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.960
which became the movie. These sort of studies of the

719
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.280
human mind and the outer limits of the diseases that

720
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.679
people can suffer from. One woman had to think called

721
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.400
akinesia one of his patients. She would become frozen and

722
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.920
she couldn't move until she heard a piece of music

723
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.719
that moved her emotionally, and then there was a direct

724
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:25.320
correlation between her ability to be able to move physically

725
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.840
having heard something which moved her emotionally. So if that

726
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.719
isn't medicine, I don't know what it is.

727
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.639
Huh, no doubt, of course. You know. Listen, I actually

728
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:39.159
have had this idea recently that we should have a

729
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.440
music festival that's for the whole world, and the whole

730
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.119
world it has to attend, and then we could just

731
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:47.800
work out all her problems.

732
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.199
Well, that would be really good, wouldn't it. You know

733
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:52.719
at the Beatles kind of did that with all your

734
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.519
Natives Love. You know how many million subscribers there were.

735
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.320
You know, if you had a TV, you tune into

736
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:03.800
that channel. And there I was sitting at home, black

737
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:09.800
and white TV watching this stuff going on, and it

738
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.039
seemed like, you know, the center of the world, and

739
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:18.199
the most important thing possible was was that concert. Everyone

740
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:24.239
was chewed into it. And yeah, there's the Moonshot, you're

741
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.599
going to be there for that, a few other world events.

742
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.480
But it's beyond your favorite soccer team winning. It's beyond

743
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:41.800
it's beyond sport. It's somehow. Yes, there's this song and

744
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.159
everyone's in it. A piece of music that features so

745
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.400
many other snippets of music as well. Yeah, that kind

746
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:56.159
of I guess in a kind of pastiche a parody

747
00:42:56.360 --> 00:43:01.119
kind of setting. But it doesn't even start off with

748
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.280
the Beatles. Starts off with French national anthem and lamasiers,

749
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:11.480
you know, and wanders off into in the mood and

750
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.920
all the rest. And music ought to be that free

751
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:20.119
once again, to be able to have that confidence. If

752
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.920
you've got the world's ear and all the eyes of

753
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.880
the world are on you as well, you can do

754
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.639
that kind of thing. But I can hear other musicians

755
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.960
perhaps listening to the thing you were world music was.

756
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.280
It was a lot different than they could do what

757
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:39.559
they liked because they were the Beatles. Well, you know,

758
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:45.840
it's like, don't drain it, be it. Let's let's you know,

759
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:51.079
I want to hear your wildest fantasies musically, because you know,

760
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.599
it can't go on just being you know, this one

761
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.719
horse trick and down home and yeah, mating ritual based

762
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.440
and all that. Hey we've done all that, you know,

763
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.199
come on, let's have some new stuff. Otherwise it's always

764
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.199
going to be movies that are going to give you

765
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.119
the new music because they are with a winning producer,

766
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:18.760
always allowed to do so. But you know, I think,

767
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.400
you know, rock formats has become very constrained.

768
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.559
I say, like nowadays it's a lot of rock music

769
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:30.559
has to have this like formula that that that they

770
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.199
have to apply to it. Where there is no formula.

771
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:37.719
I think bands like the Beatles like made the formula.

772
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.239
Well that's right, you know, and you should be allowed

773
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.199
to stretch out and do what you want. Music was

774
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.800
surprise and music that's inclusive and has surprises. If music

775
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:55.199
doesn't have surprises in it, then I can't see why

776
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:56.239
it's worth listening to.

777
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:00.440
So I think about the greatest bands like It's especially

778
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:04.920
from like the sixties and seventies, that they evolved throughout

779
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.719
their whole career. They were never just one genre. You

780
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:11.239
can't most of the bands from them, you can't pinpoint

781
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:12.320
them to one genre.

782
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.800
I think you're absolutely right. The pan genre approach is

783
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.480
the way forward. So if we all adopt the mantle

784
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:24.400
of being character actors in music, we can wander into

785
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:32.400
unfamiliar territory but equit ourselves reasonably. I think that's the

786
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:32.920
main thing.

787
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:34.840
And why not.

788
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.280
You know, I was writing suddenly the other day that

789
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:42.840
was in the style of early Danny k and I

790
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.360
was thinking, I wonder if I can get away with

791
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.239
this or not, you know, But it was just like

792
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:54.360
a nonsense song. I thought, well, this is the kind

793
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.960
of stuff that I listened to when I was a kid.

794
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.639
This was the stuff that was on radio, a lot

795
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.639
of comedy songs. But you know, but but we loved

796
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.000
them for that.

797
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:07.880
That was.

798
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:16.719
It's the simplicity, like we want to escape life, and yeah,

799
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.920
life is complicated, So how we escape life?

800
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:20.679
Yeah?

801
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:22.639
Music, Yeah, that's it.

802
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.960
Yeah. So you know, we're at the point where AI

803
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.599
can do it all anyway. So the game's up, So

804
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.119
you might as well change the game because if you don't,

805
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.039
you will be caught out. Move on, my friend.

806
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.079
Totally. Meanwhile, does it blow your mind that you're doing

807
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:49.760
fifty fiftieth anniversary. Yeah, am lies down on Broadway.

808
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.039
I mean well as I say, you know, yeah, I

809
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.360
sort of did whole albums. I was doing the whole

810
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.320
of Setting In by the Pound, the whole of Trot, uh,

811
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.159
maybe half of Lambert Down and Broadway and future stuff.

812
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.679
I'll be doing a best of cherry picking across all

813
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:15.960
of Genesis stuff and my own stuff, and to be

814
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.000
able to serve up the best with I like to

815
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.039
think of it as an incredible band I have with

816
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.679
extraordinary virtuoses. It's a little bit like talking to our

817
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.400
bass player Jernasi. He says, you know, you've got to

818
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:33.599
have the real Madrid. You know you're talking about soccer.

819
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.320
You know the best players are Rail madridts of those

820
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.639
who are unfamiliar with Rail Madrid. You need that in music,

821
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.000
you know, this team has to be it has to

822
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:47.159
be the best players. And I've arrived at that point.

823
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.000
I've got the best players who are incredible virtuosos. Any

824
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:53.840
one of them will blow you away tomorrow. You know.

825
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.079
They can all hold the floor and do solos and

826
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:01.760
they are all incredible. So yeah, they've got chops to

827
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.599
die for, for sure. If you remember a time when

828
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:09.320
there was you know, a Mahadition new orchestra where you know,

829
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.360
jazz at that point had become extremely fashionable because they

830
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.079
were boring from rock. So there were you know, great

831
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:20.119
jazz players, but they were doing it with rock sensibility.

832
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.880
So whatever you're going to say, I'm sorry I interrupted you.

833
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.880
Oh no, it's this is all about you. Who cares

834
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:33.119
what I have to say? But well that's about well.

835
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:37.920
It does blow my mind. And I fifty years of anything,

836
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.599
like anything in my life, I'm like, oh, that was

837
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.000
fifty I mean fifty years ago. Did you think that

838
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.000
you'd be sitting here now doing some shows in Florida

839
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.320
as a fiftieth anniversary. No, no, exactly.

840
00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:00.360
Yeah. I mean I started out professionally doing music nineteen

841
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.360
seventy one when I joined Genesis. I've been with a

842
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.719
band called Quiet World a year before that, and we've

843
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.400
done an album together. But I'd been trying to make

844
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.599
music since I was two years old, ever since my

845
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.079
father had a harmonica and he gave it to me

846
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.000
and he didn't get it back, you know, that was

847
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.400
the thing. So ever since I was three or four,

848
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:27.440
I was playing Scotland the Brave. Oh Susannah. What was

849
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.800
my little repertoire in those days. Yeah, there was one other.

850
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:37.519
I think God Saved the Queen. Yeah, extraordinary stuff. Yeah,

851
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:41.320
that was a few national anthems in there. I think

852
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.840
Yellow Rosa Texas. I seemed to like that one too.

853
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.840
I had no idea where Texas was, where that came from,

854
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.400
where was the runaway train? All of that. But you

855
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.159
hear those early kind of country tunes and cowboy tunes

856
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.599
and they still sound great. I've still got a soft

857
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.440
spot for Roy Rogers and four leg good Friend, all

858
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.840
of that. I'm right there and it influenced my dad,

859
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:09.440
and he influenced me with this stuff so long before

860
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:13.119
I don Tchaikovsky or Bach or any of those guys.

861
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.519
And see, that's the key. Everything you're saying about is

862
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.519
like it doesn't matter as long as it's music. You know,

863
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:24.519
there's good music in every genre you know, and you

864
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:25.559
just explore it.

865
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:30.880
Yeah, and whether it's instrumental or vocal or whatever it is,

866
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.280
it really energizes people, brings people together, heals people, does

867
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:42.079
all sorts of magical things. So I definitely feel I'm

868
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:47.480
in the right profession. It's most people have to work

869
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.199
for a living. I get to play for a living,

870
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.360
and that's a privilege, and I don't forget it for

871
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:54.360
one single day.

872
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.599
And I love when somebody totally has passion for what

873
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.280
they do, because in this business, if you don't have

874
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.280
passion for music, it's the wrong business, because that's the

875
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:06.760
best part of it, you.

876
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:12.599
Know, absolutely, Yeah, it's amazing, it's absolutely wonderful. And of course,

877
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.559
you know, I had all my heroes back then, and

878
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.400
I see people now who I think are incredible players

879
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:29.000
and singers. And Jimmy Web of course, who somebody gained

880
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:30.679
something and he wrote a little note to me, and

881
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:37.400
I was reminded of the days when Genesis, very early

882
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:42.960
early years, we were all asked to give our favorite

883
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.039
single when it was five of us and four of

884
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:51.880
us without conferring all Joe's Richard Harris's MacArthur Park and

885
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:56.239
we hadn't conferred, but we were all on the same page.

886
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:58.480
That's amazing.

887
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.079
So you know, I think he happens to be the

888
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:11.519
world's best living songwriter. And I'm sure that Glenn Campbell

889
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:13.639
would probably have agreed with me. And the stuff he

890
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.199
did with Art Golf Uncle is just to die force.

891
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.960
So that's really wonderful, wonderful album called water Mark, which

892
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.239
was a follow up to break Away. Should have been

893
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.199
a huge hit. Whenever I play it to musicians, they say,

894
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.280
I must have a copy of this album. It's beautifully produced.

895
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:34.519
Funny enough. I was there in La looking at Cherokee

896
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:40.920
Studios when the studio manager, Colin Merton I think his

897
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:45.840
name was interrupted Art golf uncle when he was recording

898
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.280
this song. I mean, how embarrassing is that he's recording

899
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:54.000
this thing that was to become one of my favorite albums.

900
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.639
And there it was, how dare you interrupt? You know

901
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:04.719
that to this Britain, this lamey he wants to read

902
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.599
the studio But hey, sorry, you know we're just having

903
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.480
a look in here, you know, yeah, you carry on fine,

904
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.239
you know he could have been in the middle of Jesus,

905
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:15.000
know what, you know?

906
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:16.239
Right right?

907
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.519
And my only problem is in one minute I have

908
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:25.760
to do another zoom. Well I mustn't, I mustn't leave.

909
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:28.599
Everything we need to cover.

910
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.800
So fantastic talking a.

911
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.360
Mine, absolutely, and hopefully you know you'll have a lot

912
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.000
of fun here in Florida. And uh, everybody, you check

913
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.440
out the notes and you'll find the date and how

914
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.800
to get tickets, and thanks a lot for making us

915
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.559
great music for all this time. Thank you, thanks for

916
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:55.119
being on the Adventures Pinte Man.

917
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:58.679
Thank you. My floral shorts are ready for Florida in

918
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.079
the sunshine there so much you got it. Hi there,

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