PipemanRadio Interviews Carmine Appice About Cactus All-Star New Album

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This is the pipe Man here on
the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y

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Radio, and I'm here with our
next guest, who is an absolute legend

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with oh my god, amazing music
that we're going to talk about things going

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on. So let's welcome to the
show, Carmine Apiece. How are you?

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I love it. I've been doing
some tons and tons of emails,

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email, interviews and website, podcast
radio. It's great, really good because

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I really love doing this album.
You know that we're doing that we did

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and it's got a great reactions,
so I'm real happy about that. Well,

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you know what it makeses me too, is how many people got involved

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with this album. Like I'm sure
you thought that was normal, but maybe

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it's surprised you too, well it
did. I mean, look at the

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album cover, you know, right, And when I told him I wanted

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to make the album look like Sergeant
Pepper the album cover, and originally the

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guy made it exactly like Sergeant Pepper
with those things coming off his shoulder,

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blue outfit, you know sat And
I said, no, no, dude,

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not exactly like I just want to
have all the people that played on

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the record in one spot. So
there you go. He did that he

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did a good job with that,
and then we even added like the owner

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and president of pre Patch of Records, and the co owner co owner was

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a drum student of mine, and
my manager's on there, the guy that

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engineered it on there, my singer
from Cactus, the bass player from Cactus,

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guitar player from Cactus. Everybody's mixed
in there with all the other guys,

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you know, so it's pretty cool. I'd like to do a contest

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somewhere and go, who can they
all the people here, all the rock

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stars, or who can name the
people who are not rock stars? Will

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be even better? Yeah, there
you go. You know I know that.

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Hey, they could go to one
of your shows. Yeah, that's

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a good deal, but they got
to live from the in the in the

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actual town we're playing it, otherwise
it doesn't work. That's right. And

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you got a couple of great shows
coming up, Like I'm in westbom Beach,

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so you're going to be right near
me and Boca on the eighth,

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that's right, and come down.
Make sure you come down. Yeah,

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I love to man because it's going
to be an amazing show, for sure.

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I'll tell there's it. Michael book
this right, yes, tell Michael,

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we'll hook up the tickets for you. Oh, that would be phenomenal

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because I'm sure it's going to be
an amazing show. Yeah, and you're

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also going to be in Orlando on
the seventh with fog Hat. That's pretty

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cool. And then oh, no, fog Hat. Yeah, just fog

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Hat on the seventh. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. On the first one,

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that's Ruth eck wood Hall I believe
it is, mm hmm. And

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then on the the ninth ist see
Orlando. I don't know the name of

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that venue. Actually, I think
what the info I got I could be

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wrong. The seventh is Orlando at
Orlando Live with fog Hat, and the

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ninth clear Water. So wherever I
got that information, it's probably wrong.

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Verse there you go. I know, I know Traversa. We just had

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a big thing with my manager about
you know, the flights and who's going

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where, who's flying out of where? And I know they're all flying out

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of Orlando, so that has to
be the last gig. Well, there

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you go. Yeah, So that
one with Pat Travis, I think it

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was pretty awesome too, having d
Schnyder sing, he sounded he did,

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he did, and you know,
and that happened because his band back,

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I don't know when it was.
I think it was before Twist's sister,

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maybe after, I don't know.
He had a band called window Maker and

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the drummer of that band was one
of my students, you know. And

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he he told me that he did
Evil, and when I listened to it,

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I told him he was playing the
wrong drum film drum groove, I

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should say, en Phils. And
when I told him, you know,

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I want to have d maybe do
the vocals, and he said, man,

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he would love to do it.
So I called Dan and he said,

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I'm in. I didn't have to
say more than we're doing it.

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You know, attribute to Cactus and
we do Evil. Do you want to

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sing? He says, I'm in. He didn't even think about it.

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Nice A few guys like that on
the record, you know. So Jim

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McCarty, original guitar player, I
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And you know, Twist McCarty's like
seventy nine years old. He knows

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nothing about the metal thing because I
know about it because I was in it,

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right, He was never in it, so I knew about that he

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could sing. I said, No, this guy's a great singer. Man,

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he could sing just like Rusty Day, original singer. So he said,

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oh man, I'm bummed out that
he's going to sing that song.

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So as soon as I got the
song done, I sent it to him.

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He goes, so, who's that
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guy you were bummed out about.
And he said, wow, he sounds

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like Rusty. I said, I
know he does, right. He did

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a great job and a great job
in the video as well. Yeah,

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that's what I noticed when I listened
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Twisted Sister fan. Yeah, but
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If I didn't know, I would
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Yeah, me too. But I
know these long time, you know,

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and I got all these guys on
my phone. You know, everybody's on

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the record or in my phone pretty
much. Uh. You know, Ted

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Nugent is another one. You know. Ted Nugent was like, I know

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Ted since nineteen sixty seven. I
said, you know, I want you

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to do this track, you know, on the album. Which one you

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want to do? He said,
I want to do one way or another.

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I said, okay, you got
it. So then I got ahold

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of Doug Pinn because I know he's
a big Cactus fan. He said,

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I want you to play bass on
two songs, you know, and sing

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one. He goes, I'm in
you know. I told him about the

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Cactus album. You know, I
didn't know these guys I knew were Cactus

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fans, but some of them.
I didn't know Steve Stevens, I didn't

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know Doug Aldridge, I didn't know
Malcolm and Doza from Weissnake. I didn't

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know, you know, Vernon Reid. I didn't know, you know.

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So there's a bunch of them.
I found out when I called him and

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I said, what are we doing? And I said, this is what

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we're doing, you know, would
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yeah, man, I'm a Cactus
fan. I love Cactus, you know.

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And I said, wow, I
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was, you know, because the
song eruption their first album was taken from

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the beginning of our song Swim Let
Me Swim? Did you hear that song?

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I didn't even know that till you
just said that. Now, okay,

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so listen again to the beginning.
Because what we do is we always

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did it. We did at the
beginning in the first album, we hit

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a card Brown and your guitar Brah
brah, Wow guitar, and then we're

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going to the song Wow. And
I never listened to Eruption because when it

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came out that was with Rod Stewart
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Then when people kept telling me about
how great it was and I listened to

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I said, whoa, this is
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So on this album, I said, I'm going to stend the intro

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so it kind of you can see
more how how it was Eruption, you

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know. And then I said,
I need a great guitar player that could

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play that. I got Doug Alders
to do it nice and he just smoked

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it from the beginning to the end
of the song. And yeah, it's

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it's stuff like that that's you know, really made Cactus Cactus, you know.

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Yeah, I think too. A
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especially like the metal bands. Yeah, you're an influence to them, and

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people don't realize that, Like people
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into metal. But all us metal
heads started off with bands like your band

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and like Zeppelin and the word metal. Okay, I don't know where that

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started. Right. Number two,
all the bands that you say in metal,

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they will hard roped bands quite hard
rock, uh Ozzie hard rock like

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Sabbath. Hard rock wasn't what you
call metal. I consider metal started Metallica

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with that buzz saw guitar. To
me, that's where metal started. What

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do you call it heavy metal?
Because that's what it sounded like, right,

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you know, But all the bands
before all that that were big,

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ted, nugent, you know,
all that stuff. There was always hard

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rock. You know. Well,
what's interesting about what you're saying. It's

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so true because when I was a
teenager going to like Metallica and Slayer shows

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in the very beginning, bands like
Quiet Riot, we didn't consider them metal.

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Doesn't mean they were good or bad, but no, they weren't metal

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to us. I mean even Slayer, they weren't that buzz sauce guitar back

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in the day. Right, All
those bands, bio has it. I

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mean all those bands there were hard
rock, you know. And then as

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the per se the metal movement moved
on and everybody started having that bus or

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Metallica kind of bus or guitarist and
fast bass drump like Lars right, And

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I think that's where it all started. All that stuff that's going on today

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started with Metallica in my eyes.
I mean I'd be wrong, but for

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me and all the stuff before that, including Black Sabbath, it was hord

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rock. I mean, Black Sabbath
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out of Birmingham. Well, yeah, you think about the original Sabbath music

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was very bluesy. Yeah, I
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in the day when they first came
out with Cactus and was that one that

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anyway, there's a band that's what's
the name of Bruce Springfing was in oh

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Okay and we were all on the
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We are rock blues, and so
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Paranoid to me was back in the
day it was like a communication communication breakdown,

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yeah kind of thing, you know. And and then as it went

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along, right along, I mean, their sound got thicker, you know,

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but it still didn't have that buzz
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it kept that's my own opinion.
Well, it always Sabbath is heavy.

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They're heavy heavy hard rock, you
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uh, that heavy metal thing,
you know, like cactus logo behind

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you, Cactus it says heavy metal
on it. I lost your for a

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minute. That looks like it's made
of metal. Yeah it does. You

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know that that logo alone can make
a great metal album. Yeah, right,

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it's the logo. Yeah. I
think I'm making shirts of that.

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But that looks better than the shirt. So you've been doing this such a

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long time. How do you keep
all the excitement about music that you do

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after was it fifty years or more? Look? I live in Florida.

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You live in Florida. There's a
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You know, they play golf.
You know. People say to me,

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do you play golf? I said
no, I said what do you do

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for hobby? I said, I
played drums? Nice? No, So

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I just love playing drums. I
love creating music. I have a studio

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in my house now. And you
know, like this whole album started with

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the drums, you know, which
usually is an unusual way to start an

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album. Usually have you know if
you can do it like that? You

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have a click guitar and a vocal
and then you put the drums on and

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I started the other because you know, I didn't. I didn't know any

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better to a better way to start
it, because I'd have to get a

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guitar player and a singer to play
everything, and it just would have taken

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a lot of time. So at
first I started like Passion Farm and one

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way or another, and I just
sang the song in my head to I

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had a click going, and I
sang the song in my head as I

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played, and it went really well. But then I said, you know

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what, this is too difficult to
dude another twelve songs like this, so

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I have to figure a way to
do this. I put the click on

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and then I actually sang this song
verbally onto the click on my machine,

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so like I was doing evil,
I go bomb bomb drumfil dead Lidan,

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then drum Phil, you know,
bomb Bob, drum pill, then sing

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the song A Long Way from Home, dead Lid. You know. I

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went to the whole song like that, and then I had something to play

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to, right instead of me humming
in my head, I'm playing it to

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this. And then when the solo
came, solo, you know, and

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then solo too, and I know
what they are because I played these songs

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and then I said, this is
going to work. And then I did

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every song like that, and then
I send it to my singer Jim Stapley,

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who played guitar and harmonica. He
put down a rough guitar and harmonica

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and sang a vocal. Then we
sang to the bass player. He put

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a bass on it, and that's
Sjames computer and that was the band Cactus,

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and I tore it so once I
got that, then I recalled people

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like Ted Nugent, which song you
want to play one way or another?

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Okay, here's the song you know, Okay, you want it with or

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without Doug Pinnick. He said,
give me Doug Pinnick. So if I

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send it to him. I got
Doug to play on it and he would

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sing it. Then we send it
to Ted. You know the same thing

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with Evil. Doug put the bass
on it. We had Jim McCarty on

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guitar, and then we put the
vocal on it. You know. So

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it was a lot that it took
a year to do this, I imagine

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it did it did? It wasn't
like you know, something that you did

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in three weeks. Some albums I
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you know, But I'm very happy
with the finished product. And I got

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my engineer co producer, Pat Reagan. He's a musical guy. He's a

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keyboard player. He would fix anything
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would miss, Like, for instance, when we did Rock and Roll Children,

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we had Vernon read on it.
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we had bass Rudy Sarzo, me
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But the riffs he was playing and
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and Pat said, these are very
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the courts to tie it into what
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put some keyboard on it. So
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I heard it, it sounded like
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made sense. Then it made the
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sense where he was where he was
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The chords that Pat was playing tied
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it made it sound a lot better, you know. So it was just

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a lot of a lot of cool
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people wouldn't even know about. You
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you're a pro, right, when
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you know. And I learned how
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then I was really mad back in
the early eighties because why I didn't do

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this with King Kobe, I don't
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tired of like doing a track and
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band plays the track, We do
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I got the drum part right,
so that means I got to do it

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again, over and up til we
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then the guitar players go in.
They erased alll the guitar. They played

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So I said. I was working
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Quiet Riot record, and I did
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played on, and I didn't like
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and Spence, the profit producer of
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that released the Quiet Right record.
I said, we got to change the

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drum sound in here. This is
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and the first band that used it
was quite right, and they saw five

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million. Every time I saw Kaki
Binella, I said, you did that

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with my new drum sound. There
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says thank you, you know.
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I gotta do this somehow. I
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the drums and punch in and out
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So I worked with the engineer Dwayne
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No More Tears Altum with Ozzie.
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oh, let's put the drums down, and let's put a track down,

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and let me punch in the vocal, you know, and let me punch

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in a vocal. And we punched
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the symbols were cut off. I
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it again? This time I'll hit
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We did it and that's good.
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learned how to punch in and out. So from then on nineteen eighty two,

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I was playing drums, punching in
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Fudge Mystery out like that. I
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like that. I didn't do the
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I don't know. And then after
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I did it twice. We did
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time Bob Brock said, we got
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to do it over. I said, sure, we did the whole record

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over with the drums, and I've
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this record, you know, I
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was. I never I never moved
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I never take them out to play
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The microphones. Everything stays the same. The AC and emidifier is on,

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so humidifying humidity in there is the
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at the same temperature, so the
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they say, they stay the same, so I can go in there after

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we get somebody to play on it, and then I go you know,

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what with the guitar. I don't
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change it. I can go in
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my own engineer. Now. That's
why it says on the album Drum Sounds

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and Realistic Rock Studios with me as
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drum book. I have, as
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which it is, you know.
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and I give it to Pat and
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That's why this album has a tremendous
that's a great sound. You know.

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Everyone talked to said the sound of
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the drum sound and everything. You
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and even even Brian from Cleopatra Records
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and so that says a lot too. Well, It's really wild how

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it happened. You know. I've
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I did two instrumental albums. I
did another Cactus album, a new one.

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I did a couple of albums that
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the first time we ever played with
Jimmy Hendrix. He released it, and

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you know the Cactus Records do they
do good on his label? So he

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came up with this idea, said, you think you can do that.

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I said, yeah, I can
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a record called Guitarjus. I got
all the greatest guitar players on it,

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you know, and I said,
yeah, I can do this. So

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we did it, finished it,
and then I'm watching like fog Hat.

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Fog Hat just got the number one
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and the same thing with Robin Troue. I said, they're the same kind

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of band as Cactus, so why
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Yeah. So I told Brian that
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He said, let's change it to
Temple the Blues and I said, yeah,

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let's continue the influences of friends.
Great idea. Oh so now,

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now last week it was number six
on the Amazon pre orders for blues right

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nice, It was seventeen, went
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That's that's tapering down because it's not
released yet. But he just told

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me today he's gotten major Spotify's streaming
on the Ted Nugent track one way or

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another because they keep releasing singles.
We've got the first video, we're working

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on the second and third videos in
between that keep leasing singles. Is there

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really serious about this record? You
know because it was his idea? Right,

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Yeah, but it's doing great.
He said, this is going to

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be a breakout record for you.
It's already breaking out. I said,

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wow. I said, what's the
next one we're going to do? Right?

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They said, your your team,
you and your producer, and you

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know whoever he's working with you is
making a fantastic record. He did another

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thing which I can't talk about,
but it was a female artist that had

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you wouldn't you wouldn't even think of
her as a rock artist. But she

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did a version of Purple Haze.
So he sent me the vocal and we

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put Cactus behind it, and it
just sounds unbelievable. Wow. And he

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only did it with me because he
said, because the Cactus record sounds so

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good that I want to do this
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it's really really cool. I couldn't
I couldn't have done it if I

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didn't have Well, there you go, impossible, impossible And how does it

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feel after all? These years to
put out like a breakout album. You

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know, not many people are in
your shoes. Well, it feels great.

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I mean because all the other albums
we did, you know, they

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did okay, you know, we
got a nice budget, but you never

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really got any royalties. The only
ones I got royalties on was some of

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the Cactus ones, right, And
you know that's why people didn't want to

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do it. Like the last King
Koba record I did, the two guitar

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players didn't want to do it.
They said, look, you work your

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butt off, you do it,
it comes out, nobody hears it,

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nobody buys it. You know.
I said, yeah, it makes sense.

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But I said, but you can
keep the legend going. You know,

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that's why I Cactus Records did Vanilla
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didn't sell like they used to sell, but keep the name going, keep

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the legend going. And but with
this one, I felt that since it

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was Brian's idea, that the label
will push it and the people I got

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on it. I mean, I
did a Joe bonamassa podcast, right,

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and we were talking. He said, you know what, Cactus, when

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you did Parchment Farm, it blew
my brains out. I said, well,

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I'm doing a new version with Billy
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plays hot and and maybe Jim McCarty
going to play the verses. I just

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need a solo, he says,
I'm in right. That's how we got

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Bantomasa on the record. He said
it on his podcast, So you know,

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I couldn't be doing press saying well, Joe said he'd do it,

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but then he didn't do it.
But he is a good guy. He

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does a lot of stuff like that, you know. So he he smoked

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on that part. And then Billy
Shean was in love with anything that Vanella

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Fudge or anything that Timboga did.
He says, you need me for anything

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to do, you know, a
tribute to Tim, I'm there. So

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he did Parchment Farm, and not
only that, he did Olio, which

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had Tim's bass solo in it.
So I said, we'll do Olio with

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Tim's bass solo. Do you want
to do that? Because no problems When

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he did it. The bass solo
here did sounded just like Tim. He

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used all the same thing. He
even did a fuss tone at a certain

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point. Wow, And he heard
where I did the drum fell I told

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him twenty bars in that's where the
fust tone hits. So we got it

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down. So then I said,
who's going to play guitar on this?

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I called? I said, well, I'm me Steve Stevens and he's an

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awesome player. And I didn't know
that he was from Brooklyn and he was

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a Cactus fan. Wow, you
know. I hung out with him in

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Japan where he became friends, and
yeah, I would talk to him when

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I see him in La I call
him, say hi, vice versa.

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But he said, man, I'd
love to do that. I'm a Cactus

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fan. Man I grew up in
Brooklyn, I said, I didn't know

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that. I didn't know a lot
of these people were Cacus fans and Doug

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Aldridge and Malcolm Mendoza from White Snake, and I knew Rudy was Rudy Saw.

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I knew Billy was. I didn't
know Warren Haines was. You know,

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so Ted Newten I knew was.
You know I know Ted a long

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time. Well, that proves the
need for this album, and so here

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it is, and we're dropping it
on June seventh. Correct, Yeah,

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that's when it comes out to buy. But I understand the the tracks are

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on Spotify to get all right,
you know the one the video we did

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with the first one with evil people
of loving it and loving it. The

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next one we do the one with
Ted's Gonna be Wild. We already filmed

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Ted and it was definitely the Motor
City manman on that video. So now

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I'm doing mine on the twenty year, So I gotta I gotta be a

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little crazy on it, you know. There you go. Yeah, So

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and Doug, Doug Pinnick is singing
and going to play bass, so we're

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going to tell him to be a
little crazy also, so we all fit

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together. You know. I love
it and I love that you're having so

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much fun with it because you know, I am having fun then, and

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that's why people go, how long
are you going to play? I said,

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look, untill I can't play anymore. I'm having fun, Exactly.

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I have the drums in my studio. I don't go on there every day

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in practice because you know, I
don't have the ambition to do that.

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You know, if I got to
play the with song, that's when I

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played. Yeah. Unless there's something
I really want to work on and I'm

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going to do it. But I
don't just go every day and just sit

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and play. I've been playing the
drum pads and the technical stuff for the

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hands every day almost you know.
Well, well you're still a legend and

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still amazing, and this album is
amazing. Let's just tell everybody real quick

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how they can pre save the album, pre order it, connect with you

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and all that stuff. Well you
go, I got all my my Facebook

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and all that Common a Piece official
I got, I got Instagram. I

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don't even know what all these addresses
are because I'm not on there all the

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time. You know, my website
that's not working right now from here,

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but it's a common Apiece dot net, and I understand you could order the

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album, pre order it on Amazon
and all those kinds of things, and

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pretty much that's it. And they
can also go to Cactus Rocks dot net.

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Cactus rocks dot net. We're updating
that website right now. It's funny.

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Tim Bogot's son does that for a
living. And you know, they

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didn't have a they had an on
and off relationship. When I talked Fim

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a few weeks ago, I said, we got to do a new website.

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So he said, I'll do it. Let me do it. It's

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tribute to my dad and I said, okay, so he's going to do

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it. He can take care of
the website. So we're building a new

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one right now that's going to have
all the gigs on it. VIPs if

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you want to be a VIP,
shows all the dates we have. It

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shows the album supposed to history.
So it's gonna be great. I love

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it. I love the new album. Everybody's got to check out the new

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music. It's amazing. And man, thanks for giving us such great music

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after five decade, over five decades, it's amazing. Thank you for still

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listening. And you know, I
never thought in my wildest dreams that those

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Cactus songs in this year twenty twenty
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it, and thank you for being
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