PipemanRadio Interviews Chuck Billy of Testament

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Man. This is the pipe Man
here on the Adventures pipe Man W four

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c Y Radio. And I'm very
excited. Our next guest is a legend

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from a legendary one of my favorite
ever bands. So let's welcome to the

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show, Chuck, Billy and Testament. How are you good? I'm doing

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great. How are you Oh,
I'm doing amazing. Leading My preparation for

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this interview was to reminisce about the
times I would take a hitchhike or take

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a greyhound from LA up to the
Bay Area to go to your shows.

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I love it great. So as
soon as everybody left LA, like when

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Slayer Metallica left LA, I mean
they left us with the stuff we didn't

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want to see, so we had
to make it up to the Bay Area.

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Well, the Bay Area came to
LA once the Metal Storms begun in

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eighty two, eighty three, you
know, yeah, exactly one hundred uh,

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you know, and then you're you're
doing tour and you're touring with Possessed

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with I mean we Creator and Possessed
and uh I was bringing up Possessed because

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used to go up to the Bay
Area to see them too. But I

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was at that first ever crossover show
at the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge, which

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was like an Elks Lodge or some
shit like that, no security, nothing,

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and it was like Possessed, Dark
Angel, Savage Grace on the metal

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side, and then Suicidal coc and
I think the Descendants on the punk side.

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Wow. Right, Oh, I'm
telling you it was if you could

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imagine, it probably was the only
LA show that could match the intensity of

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the pit and the and everything else
going on of the Bay Area because there

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was no security and it was first
time ever punk's and metal heads could go

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to a show without getting into fights. And it was brutal. It was

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probably nobody got hurt, no,
no, exactly. I love how you

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bring that up because people have this
misconception of going to a metal show or

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even going in the pit. It's
funny my co host of my show,

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who is more of a what I
call a not metal metal head, like

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she's into the metal. That to
me wasn't really necessarily metal. Doesn't make

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it bad, but it wasn't my
definition of metal. And I brought her

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to this club one time. We
were covering a show and the pit opened

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up and she about lost it,
and I'm like, just chill out,

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just stand right here, You'll be
fine. You know, it's not what

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you think. And then that's how
you turn people into lovers of metal,

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is they have to experience it right, probably witnessed while people are getting knocked

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down, but while they're picking them
back up. You know, everybody's helping

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each other, you know, one
big family, and I think that's I

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also think that it's one of the
greatest therapies because I've talked to this about

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people before, Like me going into
the pit was me avoiding punching somebody in

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the outside world. You know,
you get all your aggressions out in the

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pit and then you feel good and
you know, you don't get into trouble

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outside the pit. Yeah, you
know, and I'm sure it's it was

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all like something new to everybody too. Really back then, you know,

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yes, because you know, of
course punk rock was probably a lot more

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stage diving and more dancing instead of
like thrashing each other a little bit,

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you know, exactly one hundred.
So I'm super stoked that you remastered these

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two amazing albums. Okay, And
what I love what I was reading is

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that you had the ability nowadays because
of technology, to make it sound the

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way you really would have wanted it
to sound back then, that you didn't

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really have the tools to do it, so you were able to take out

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effects and stuff like that and make
it the real Testament sound well to a

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degree, because we couldn't find the
Rigital two inch master tapes because we really

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wanted to remix and really make it
modern sounding, you know, because now

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we have drum samples and all that
stuff. It would have sounded much bigger.

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But those tapes are gone, nobody
knows where they're at. Atlantic doesn't

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have on the shelves. So I
have because Johnny Z gave me years ago

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the half inch unmastered tapes of those, so they're already mixes, but they're

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unmastered, so at least we're like, Wow, at least we can go

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in and remaster these, and especially
with you know, technology today, it's

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going to sound way better than back
then, because you know, back then

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we really didn't know better because that
was our first experience making records. We're

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just excited to have our record in
our hand, going we got a record.

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We got a record, didn't matter
what it sounded like. It was

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great to us, you know,
and to us the listeners, it was

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the same thing. It's like,
cool, you didn't even really care if

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it sounded good. Yeah, you
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and bigger sounding. And it's when
we went into Nashville to remaster it,

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it was like, wow, we'd
like ap the old one to the new

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one, or like, holy smokes
man, wow, it's so much louder,

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so thicker. But also on the
process of doing that, those effects

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and things we put like for example, First Strike still Deadly had a little

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a flanging flare snare role at the
beginning, but with the new technology opening

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up the EQ and making it bigger, it kind of sucked at all that

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out of it. So it's really
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lot of those effects kind of dried
up, but for the better because we're

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like, wow, it just sounds
so strong now, yeah, totally,

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And this tour is badass one,
Like I mean, it's probably, in

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my opinion as an old school thrash
metal head, probably one of the best

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tours this year. For sure.
It's gonna be. You know, we

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we went to South America with Creator
last year, and we have let's get

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together and go to the US,
and then after the US at towards the

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end of the year, we're going
back with Creator and Anthrax in Europe.

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So we're gonna be spending some time
with Creator to pick the opening act for

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our tour. Though, we're like
tossing around a lot of bands, and

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you know, some European bands that
you know, came from our era,

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and I just thought that Possessed doesn't
tour enough and hasn't done enough over the

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years, that let's bring them out
there, you know, let's get them

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out there amongst everybody. You know, they're so excited. I called Jeff

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up and he thought it was a
prank call. When I first called him,

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He's like, I go, it's
Chuck Billy, you know. He's

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like, no, it's not.
And I go, touch not call him.

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I go, seriously, it's me, man, you guys, really,

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so what's up? So I said, you know, we have this

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tour Creator and we'd like to have
you guys as the opening neck. He's

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like, come on, you're pulling
a prank on me, right, I'm

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like, no, I'm serious and
he and he was like, I said,

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after you hang up, call your
agent, he knows about it.

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You'll know it's real, and call
me back. And he did, and

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he called me back his old dude, sorry about that. I thought it

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was a joke, but thank you
so much for asking us. We're so

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excited to do it, and and
and now everybody's exciting and we played the

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Milwaukee Metalfest with them. They're over
in South America and well, so it's

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just gonna be a great tour,
bring back some old memories with the guys

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getting out there representing the Bay Area. So yeah, we're looking forward to

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it totally. And I love that
you brought up Milwaukee Metal Fest because I

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saw that you said something where you
asked the crowd who'd seen us in the

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late eighties and you only got a
few hands. And I love that.

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I love that because it's like,
Wow, the newer generations actually are listening

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to this music and love it just
like I did when I was a teenager.

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Yeah, and how lucky are we
getting to play thirty seven year old

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song while they're older than that.
But that record came out thirty seven years

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ago, so for the younger,
newer metal heads, there was a lot

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of young metal heads out there.
They're pumped up to hear that old stuff.

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And it was cool that we're a
little better now than we were probably

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back then. So we performed the
songs, you know, little heavier different,

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we tuned down, so the songs
are a little more aggressive now.

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So it was just it was fun
to see that and then talking to you

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new young fans, they're like,
you know, I know your history.

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I've seen the records, but to
see it live is totally different than listening

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to those old records. Yeah,
that was the cool part about it.

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Yeah. What else I think is
cool nowadays is okay, back in our

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day, people our age being at
gigs like doing artists bands our age unless

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they were like the you know a
Deep Purple or something like that. I

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couldn't see us teenagers going to that
show. It would be like, you

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know, all the shows we went
to, everybody was basically our age,

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maybe a couple of years older.
And then you got shows now and it's

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like you see these young kids so
into the you know, older bands,

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and I think it's cool. It's
just it's pun intended a testament to the

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musicianship and the and the music that
you make. And and I give a

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lot that to the Internet and just
being more accessible music in itself, just

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being more accessible to the masses all
over the world. Yeah, you know.

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So there's a lot of people just
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listening to new bands and then going
back and saying, Okay, I

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heard about this thrash metal movement word
Metallica start, and then and then find

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out, oh, it's a Bayer
thing. Well, who are these other

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Bayer bands. Let's check that out. And it's neat that they get to,

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you know, hear, learn about
the history, but actually to be

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have a band still here kind of
doing it and then playing those songs too,

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it's kind of wow. Okay,
I never thought i'd get a chance

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to see those songs live. I
know the records, you know, and

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wow, what a difference it is
hearing them loud now today compared to them

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oh yeah, hundred and so on
this tour, you're actually I'm in South

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Florida now you're making a couple of
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So that's cool. That'll be in
October around my birthday there. And

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I love it because not many bands
come to Florida anymore because it's a pain

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to get to Florida and get out
of Florida. Yeah, but we've tried

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because our agent there's some years we're
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So I've really taught my agent,
Dude, get us into Florida.

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You just just book it. You
know, if if a few people show

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us up, are a lot,
oh well, we just want to go

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to Florida. You know. I
love it, and so we have and

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now it's grown again and now it's
kind of a stop that we'll do every

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time on tour now. So the
interesting thing is, back in the eighties,

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people like us. I don't know
about you, but me and my

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bros would be like, that doesn't
matter the world's going to blow up in

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nineteen eighty for it anyway, we
never would have conceived of the fact that

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you know, you and I be
seeing here talking right now. Does it

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blow your mind that, like,
or could you even conceive back then then

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there's blow your mind now that you're
still playing and still relevant. Well,

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I'm very fortunate. And me and
Eric talked about this, you know,

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because our new record we're writing is
very aggressive and very current style. And

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I look at Eric and he goes, dude, did you ever think at

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sixty two you're gonna be writing songs
like this, right, singing like that?

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And I'm like, no, actually
no, you know. And when

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I was young, starting, you
know, my career as a musician,

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I always had this premonition that,
you know, I'll be fortunate to make

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it to thirty eight, which sounded
old to me. At thirty eight,

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man, you're better get ready to
retire, right, and you know,

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And then I got thirty eight and
I got cancer, so I thought,

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oh shit, here it comes.
My premonition is gonna come to fruition now.

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And I beat that. But that
was like the moment for me like

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Okay, this is it, and
from that point beating it on forward,

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I just look at I'm very lucky, very fortunate to be doing this and

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to making music the way we've been
making it over the last twenty years.

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The records have been getting better and
better. We're we're growing with the times

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and the generations, with what's being
written out there, bands that are getting

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the new exposure on you know,
big festivals or radio or internet. You

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know. So it's great that we're
here, but like you said, to

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still be relevant, that's even a
bonus. Oh yeah, one hundred percent,

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because you know, back then,
you who have ever imagined that metal

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would be as big as it is
today, Like I go do festivals where

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there's fifty one hundred thousand metal heads
there and like man, I went to

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Metallica in LA with twenty five people. You know, wow, Like it

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just isn't even conceivable, you know
that you would that like we didn't want

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Hey, we didn't want the masses
to know about metal. This was our

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baby. But I'm so happy that
you know, us gatekeepers didn't succeed with

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that, but we still got to
spread that word. I wish like the

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Grammys or these award shows would recognize
and understand and not just have the perception

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because they've never listened to it or
experienced it to think, oh, that

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doesn't deserve the acclaim, and like
these other artists do, even they are

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radio bands and maybe we aren't radio
bands. But like you said, there's

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still the masses selling these big festivals, and there's a lot of young rebellious

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use that still like when we were
we're rebellious. That's what the music we

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wanted to, you know, support
being different, being something that's against the

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grain. That was cool, you
know back then. And I don't think

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it's changed today. But you know, people like the Grammys still don't recognize

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it's when and doesn't give you the
attention. They don't even give you the

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airtime on TV. It's just you
got to read about it who won and

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was nominated. So it's still a
little sad and we're still climbing out of

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the grave. But I think one
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think God Metallica, you know,
it's only representation pretty much of that old

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thrash style. You know. There's
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but not like that thrash style.
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I was just doing an interview recently
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said that bands like you, Guys
like you and Metallica and soff are really

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what started metal. You know,
even though the thrash mellow movement had their

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influences from like the you know,
the UK metal invasion, but he saw

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it as that was really the start
of metal, that everything before that was

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hard rock, and you know,
agree or not agree, it did take

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it to a whole other level where
you have bands today that maybe wouldn't exist

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without a band like Testament. Yeah. And I think it started where you

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know, a lot of bands like
eighties, seventies, early eighties, bands

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like us in our style of music
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There wasn't a lot of major labels
taking the chance. You know, bands

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like Metallica and Anthrax and then even
Slayer, you know, they they got

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that chance. Somebody in a major
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chance. And then, you know, I think once like for us,

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we were lucky we got signed with
Atlantic. You know, even though we

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were still a thrash band. It
was this big machine that was trying to

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get us to like like make radio
songs and stuff. We're like, we

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don't know what that's is. You
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that, you know, so let's
just keep writing what we do and here's

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what we got to do, your
best with it, And and that opened

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a lot of doors and then next
to you know, a lot of these

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indie labels had great bands, and
next you know, they have major distribution

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with major labels, and it's just
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exactly. Well, like you talked
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Like between those two, I mean
what they accomplished. I remember Brian

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was a store clerk at OZ Records
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used to go there, and he
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him a few years ago, like
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think he realized what he was doing, but we came we would come in

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there and he was like, hey, check this album out. You gotta

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listen to this, and you know, like I remember the first album he

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showed me was Venom Welcome the Hell, and I had never heard anything like

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that before. And I went home
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like sitting on the balcony with my
headphones on, looking at the lyrics,

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looking at the artwork, and I
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like nothing else was ever like that. But then after a while, like

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listening to it like ten times in
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I don't even want to go back
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lot of it was album covers that
grabbed you. Yeah, it's not likely

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Iron Maiden, you know. That
was like, you know, before Bruce

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was in the band, I was
a big fan, and then I heard,

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you know, Bruce's first debut on
the rad I'm like, whoa,

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this is Iron Maiden with a new
singer. And I knew Samson before that,

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I recognized Bruce. I'm like,
whoa, Bruce Dickinson's and Iron Maiden

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now whoa? And right? That
was great, But it was like fands

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like exciter. I'd just look at
the album cover, Oh wow, this

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is this is a very cool cover, the knife and the amps and stuff.

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I'm gonna give that record. So
a lot of that imagery was really

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captured a lot of us fans as
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oh one hundred percent, and even
like you know, for sh oh,

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like I went to shows based on
the picture I saw in the magazine and

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like, oh, they look cool, let's go to that show. You

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know. Yeah, I don't know
how many times at my parents' house,

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you know, we had a bunk
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for rock and roll. Vinyl opened
up where it had the picture and it

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was just so heavy, and I
was like, wow, this dimmed the

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lights down. It was so scary
and heavy but cool, right exactly.

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So let's tell everybody how they can
connect you on socials, connect on the

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web, get the remasters and check
out all your tour dates, merch and

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all that good stuff. Yeah,
you get the albums on Nuclear Blast Records,

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but you can also go to Testament
Legions dot Com that'll have all our

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dates, all the music. We're
doing meet and greets on the tour.

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So if you want to come hang
with the band, we got some cool

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guitars that we're going to be,
you know, selling on tour, so

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fans could come hang out with the
band, come backstage, do their thing.

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Just a lot of cool stuff's going
on and going to get started this

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year. We're pumped up and we're
rarely looking forward to putting out this next

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record. Like I said, we
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He's twenty five years old, so
he's reading a lot of new young life

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into the band and he's he's pushing
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really really up to date. I'll
just say that I love it. I

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love it, and you know,
one of the things I also love that

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you guys believe in and it is
to me, just from my memories,

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the difference between the Bay Area and
LA is the number one one thing that

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matters to you guys, is the
show, not the party. And yeah,

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it used to be the party,
right exactly like you know what,

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you know what they said, if
you're on the Sunset Strip in the eighties

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and you remember it, you weren't
really there exactly. Yeah, So I

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love it. So people can't miss
your live show because it is massively incredible

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and uh and because you're there for
the show and there's nothing like seeing a

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live Testament show. So everybody,
you have to check out the tour day.

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It's go, even if it's not
in your area, take a drive,

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whatever you gotta do, get to
this show. Cause between you guys

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and Creator and Possessed and Anthrax,
wherever it's gonna be. I mean that's

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like a lineup that is a dream
lineup to somebody like me. Yeah,

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it's it's gonna be great. It's
it's like I said creators. Great guy,

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who's great band. It's gonna be
an awesome tour. We both are

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working together to put on a killer
show. As far as the way it

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looks production wise, we got some
cool stuff going on. It's gonna be

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fun and I hope to see a
lot of you know, new young metal

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heads out there to come experience it
because on this next tour for the rest

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of this year, we're playing the
Legacy New Order, a set combined only

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of those two records, so it's
going to be able to experience that early

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thrash movement today. Love it.
I love it. That's amazing. And

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you know, thanks for all the
music you've given us for all these years,

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and thanks for being on the Adventures
of Pipemin right on. Appreciate you

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having me. Thank you for listening
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