PipemanRadio Interviews Hardcastle

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White Man, All My Life of
Ben, Event wins Pain, Dying Inside

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Down Know. We want to say
cloud in the wall set up built from

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BAM. I want to see it's
bright eyes, turn on the lights and

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I'm the only one home. My
name Liza, going up being smoke.

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Won't be a hostage Eddy More.
This is the pipe Man here on the

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Adventures pipe Man W four c Y
Radio. And I am very excited about

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our next guest because they have some
badass music and something I can really,

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really really relate to. So let's
welcome to a show. Graham from Hardcastle,

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How are you? What's up?
I'm great, It's great to be

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here. Hey, great to have
you. And I just want to start

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off right off the bat talking about
you know what I was referring to.

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I am a people pleaser from way
way back and still to this day.

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It is such a difficult thing to
get over, not only because of yourself,

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but because other people like you that
way, and so they manipulate you,

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using that against you, and now
you wrote a song about it.

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So I'm pretty pumped about that song. It's a it's nice to know it.

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It's a unit. It seems to
be somewhat universal, you know,

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thing that happens, because it can
feel isolating. Sometimes you always always you

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always wonder too, like you always
think when other people aren't that way,

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that what's wrong with them, When
it's really what's wrong, you know,

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not what's wrong with them, it's
that they're being some one way and you're

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being another way, and maybe their
way might be better. Sometimes I look

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at it that way, Like I
have an ex wife that lately I've been

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like, well, when it came
to kids, well, maybe she was

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the right one. When all through
out I was always like, why doesn't

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she do this? Why did not
blah blah blah blah. But at the

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end of the day, maybe she
was the one that was right. It's

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all so many things that we don't
know, and at the time we try

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to just do our best. I
just try to, you know, and

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then when you reflect, you're like, wow, I you know, could

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have gone that way, but yeah, I think what you're saying like there's

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definitely seems to be different personality types
and some some personality types have no problem

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just always being this version of them
themselves where it's like unapologetic and that's not

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really take maybe taking into consideration what
is this how am I being perceived right

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now? Because I think that's part
of it, is like you have this

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like how am I being perceived right
now? And sometimes it's like I'm just

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gonna like screw that, Like I'll
just be doing whatever I want. I

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don't care how I'm perceived. I'm
just gonna speak from my heart. That's

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what I feel like. I've started
to grow into more as I've gotten to

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create this record and write about that
and now externalize that. And I think

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it's a balance, you know.
I think being a healthy amount of considerate

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and empathetic and whatnot are great things. But stifling your own identity or stifling

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your voice because of fear based thing, it can be pretty tough to to

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work through and and try to express
yourself. You know, if you want

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to be it and you expressing the
right thing and you think you're doing the

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right thing too, but you're not
doing the right thing for you or the

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other person sometimes, you know,
yeah, yeah, you don't really think

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of that. That's why the name
of the song hostage, that that word

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alone kind of just describes it all, like somebody like you and me.

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I look at that name and I'm
like, I get it. You know,

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well, that's good to hear it. That's good. I'm glad it

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resonates and translates. Uh, you
know what what I'm trying to get at

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in that song and with that with
that title, yeah, and it you

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know, it flows through the music. So as an example, perfect example,

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and I had it happened just recently
too. So I go on to

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WUR and I do radio coverage at
festival. I'm perfectly happy going to festivals

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and concerts by myself because as a
people pleaser, as you know, that's

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the only time you please yourself.
Okay, So I'm the type, you

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know, I want to be there
first. I want to be there to

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the last song. I want certain
things. And then when you're up with

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other people, it's like you seem
to set aside what you want so that

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you can give them the experience that
they want. Yeah, and then you

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kind of miss out and like,
yeah, most of the times you may

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not notice it. But then there's
other times where you're like, and I

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had this just recently, don't like, see that's why I go to festivals

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by myself. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's uh, it can be it

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can be tough because yeah, like
you said, you don't really realize it.

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Well, it's happening sometimes and then
afterwards you're like, look, you're

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like wait, what what does that
right? Exactly? Yeah? And I

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think that could be a varying spectrum
of density. And sometimes those experiences are

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so intense you want to go,
you know, write a song about it

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or something right, But other times
it's it's kind of a slow, slow

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burn and slow build of experiences that
reach a point where you're like, you

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know, why do I feel this
way? I feel like I am not

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having a sense of self or a
strong sense of identity and you. For

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me, I was like reflecting,
and I was like, wow, I've

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just kind of been with music like
what sound like? How do I sound

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like the person who's having success that
I know? Or how do I sound

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like what an A and R might
like? How do I get that sort

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of validation? And it was in
some ways an authentic pursuit, but I

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think that stuff just kept seeping in
the cracks to where it was like I

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didn't even have my own sense of
voice or self. I was so concerned

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with that type of thing. Yeah, And you know, it's funny when

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you're young, you know, you're
at least me, you kind of you're

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proud of it, like it's a
badge of honor that you're a people pleaser.

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It is until years and years that
you finally figure out maybe that wasn't

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the healthy way to go. Yeah, sure, yeah, definitely. Yeah.

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Again, there's a lot of different
personality types, and I know for

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me, I always felt like,
you know, making everyone, yeah,

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like more about other people than myself
type of thing, and that can sometimes

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backfire because ends up making it about
yourself and you know in ways that you

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don't aren't fully aware of at the
time because you're younger, you just don't

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have that experience. So it's a
it's a tricky thing to navigate for sure,

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totally. Yeah, but it's great
to you know, be able to

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connect on these experiences, especially through
music, because I think at the end

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of the day, that's a major, major one of the best parts about

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making music is having experiences where someone's
like, hey, I see some myself

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in the song or this, you
know, I relate to this, or

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I feel I resonate with this.
That's the beauty of music too. So

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as an artist, you can write
a song, sing that song and it

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doesn't have the same feeling of hesitancy
or holding back as if you were just

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talking to somebody, because you're just
singing a song. Okay, so you

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can express yourself whereas you wouldn't have
normally done that just talking to somebody,

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for sure. Yeah, and for
the listener, we can hear things that

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kind of let us know we're not
alone and reevaluate maybe how we do things,

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but without somebody lecturing us. Yeah, we just hear it in a

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song and it relates. And the
other great thing about songs is there's this

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music too, bake in that can
support that. Like you're saying, it

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doesn't feel like someone's talking at you. You're kind of in this bed of

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sound or sometimes like a wall of
sound, and there's this these visceral feelings.

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I know, for me when I
hear records like like Best of You,

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like Dave Grohl is like singing screaming
these words at you, but like

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the guitars are creating this you know, thunderous electric experience that I think helps

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you tap into that visceral sort of
that visceral place that goes beyond words.

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That can really help. I agree
with that stuff home, especially subconsciously.

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Yeah, one hundred percent. And
that's where too, I think music also

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helps because I think so many things. As an example, there's one there's

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one lyric by bring Me to Rise
In that is I think like one of

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the most ingenious lyrics of old time, and may because I relate to it

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more than I ever admitted. That's
the point is like sometimes we don't evenmit

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certain things to ourselves much less anybody
else. Oh yeah, and then we

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hear it as a song and so
like I'll tell people this particular lyric is

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like one of the most ingenious lyrics
I relate to, and people that know

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me like they look at me like
that doesn't seem like you, because that's

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the part that you're hiding within yourself
that you don't really express and other people

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don't see. And like that lyric
I'm talking abouts I can't drown my demons.

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They know how to swim. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,

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that's a great, such a great, such a great line. It's like

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it's just ingenius because it's so true. Yeah, Yeah, it really can

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can cut to the to the core
in in ways that to Yeah, connect

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with your inner self, which a
lot of times is there's so much going

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on in there that you don't your
friends, the people you know, don't

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really know. But all of a
sudden, the song comes along from someone

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who a lot of times you don't
know, like an artist, and yet

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it feels like it's directly seeing inside
of you beyond the external, right,

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I mean that's amazing. Like I
feel like it took me a long time

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to feel this. But what we're
talking about is why it's so important that

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everyone creates their own most potent and
authentic art because you just don't know who

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out there is going it's gonna connect
with. And I think the more I've

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been learning, like, the more
honest you can be and the more unapologic

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that you can be with your expression, the more potent those connections are.

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Yeah, when your music gets out
there, or at least that's the goal,

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you know, And I think about
it for like an artist like yourself

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putting out a song like this,
these strangers get to know you more and

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relate to you more than the people
that know you best. As an example,

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my youngest daughter one time, she's
like, I know you, and

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in my head I'm like, yeah, she doesn't know me at all.

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She knows to me, I show
her and she knows certain parts of me,

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but those other parts that are deep
down. I think we share better

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with strangers than we do with the
people we know because with strangers we don't

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have to worry about judgment, manipulation, all these other things that go along

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with it because we're not going to
have to encounter them necessarily with that person,

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with that person. Yeah, that's
a really interesting, just like example

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to look through because I think I
think, yeah, they're actually tapping into

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something. Yeah, I mean,
talking to a stranger about something can be

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this like revealing experience that you don't
get and because I mean, what we're

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talking about really is kind of a
big part of what the song was inspired

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by. These sort of rigid,
sometimes often rigid sort of patterns and thought

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patterns and guidelines that we put on
our sense of self as we represent ourselves

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to the world, like this is
who I am and these are my this

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is how this is how I am
socially with friends, like everything, and

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Hostage was inspired by taking agency over
the fact that I can be anything.

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I can be beyond that. I
don't have to be these sort of limiting

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beliefs or whatever. Like you know, if you can you can transcend those

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type of things that you think to
find your self. But really, you

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know, your own sense of direction
can can guide your your who you are

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as a person. There you go
and so yeah, so this is just

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one song, Like we've dedicated interview
to this song because it's so important,

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but this is one song of a
great new EP circuit right there. Yeah,

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nice, nice and uh so yeah, basically everybody's got to check out

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the new EP. You know,
even if Hostage is not something you necessarily

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relate to, there's something else that
you relate to. Uh and it's really

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I think the music's you know,
badass, and the fact that I relate

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to it is even better. But
that's what music is, right, It's

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the ability to relate its ability to
be yourself too, as we were talking

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about before, because you know,
when somebody says they know you, well,

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what do they know? You're not? Really most of the time you're

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not being yourself. It's like even
being in a music artist, like your

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fans think you know, they know
you because they've been through concert dear meet

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and greeds they and all that stuff, but they know that part of you.

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You know. Yeah, And it
also begs the question of like will

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we ever know ourselves? I mean, it's such a it's such an an

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elusive type of thing. And that's
why I think just the best thing are

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the best thing I can do is
just try to follow, you know,

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follow my heart and my intuition and
instinct and create an ever evolving sort of

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approach where I'm I'm just open and
receptive too. You know, I might

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not know everything and that someone else
might not know me. I might not

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know myself, but it's it's an
endless I think, pursuit of staying in

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that alignment with with what makes you
you you know absolutely and you know,

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even what we show ourselves about ourselves, and that's what's great about music.

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And like a song like Hostage is
like I think we can finally admit certain

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things about ourselves that we don't because
other people are actually the same way,

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and we go, oh, okay, it's okay, to admit it to

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myself. Yeah, totally, totally. I think how many things are we

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like self imposing that are not like
real you know exactly, and you think

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they are, but it's not.
Yeah. Yeah, hopefully there are things

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in life that give you a glimpse
that, wait, I can transcend that

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thing that has made me feel like
I can't get up on stage and sing,

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and I have. I've been as
someone told me that once in my

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life or something happened, and that's
become a rigid belief that I have with

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myself. And then all of a
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song or something happens, you read
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get a glimpse that that might not
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hopefully go and sing. There you
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hope of least. So yeah,
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the arts very important because it's terrible
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schools because I think you need it, you know, yeah, of course,

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totally. I mean there's so many
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doesn't mean you don't need math,
Like why people say one or the other.

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You need it all, But the
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mental well being or emotional well being, our creativity, and it affects every

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aspect of our life, you know, and I love I'm not really a

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huge theory guy, but I mean
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like it's all one in the same. So the yeah, the either or

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it should definitely be both and in
my in my book, that's it.

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So how does everybody reach out to
you guys on socials? On the web?

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Get your new EP, check out
your music tour dates, merch all

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that good stuff. Best place to
go is if you're on Instagram at Hardcastle

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dot world. And if you're not
on Instagram www Dot hardcastleworld dot com.

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Who says www anymore? I know, right, Hardcastleworld dot I've only want

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to infomercial now. But if you're
not on Instagram, you can you can

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go there. The EP comes out
in September. We're going to put out

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the next single in July called Paranoiac
Can you heard it here first? And

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nice? Uh yeah, we'll be
playing some shows in June, but you

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know, we'll be around. We'll
definitely be making some noise. We're just

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getting started and really really excited to
be connecting with you and everyone who's finding

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the music for sure. Absolutely,
and it's pretty bad at my best brow

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of life that we've got. We
went to a million gigs together. He

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passed away last year, two years, two days after his birthday. Those

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birthday September thirteenth, when you're dropping
the album and his name was Mark and

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it's dropping via m n r K, so just take put in the end

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we had two more ago. Yeah, Mark Needham and Mark McKee works on

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it. Well. Condolences for sure, uh you know, and well that's

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that's a that's quite a you know, coincidence. I know. And I

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just noticed it this second, like
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it while I was going through all
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I was like looking at him like, oh, September thirteen, like visually

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looking at the m n r K
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Yeah, yeah, for sure.
No synchronicities. Yeah, man,

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there it is very cool. Thank
you for giving us this great music,

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and thanks for being on the Adventures
of pipe Man. Thank you so much

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for having me and uh, you
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Hopefully connects cross paths to something in
person. Absolutely one all right, cool

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man, thanks a lot, you
got it. Thank you for listening to

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the adventures of Patement on w for
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