PipemanRadio Interviews Infinite Objects

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the vipe Man. This is the
pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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pipe Man W four C Y Radio. And I'm really excited about this next

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interview because I don't know. I
got this email that came in my inbox

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and I and the first thing I
thought of is like, wow, something

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about the doors cool. I want
to check that out. And then I

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found out that it's even cooler than
that. So I decided I had to

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interview you the brainstorm behind this,
and that's who we have on the show

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today. So let's welcome Clay and
Joe. How are you. I'm doing

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good, Dean, how you doing
doing amazing? So while both of you

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tell the listeners a little bit about
who you are and what you do and

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why we're talking today, Joe,
you go first. Bro, Well,

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let's so people know the voices.
This is Clay speaking, by the way.

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Awesome, thanks so much for having
us pipe Man. And yeah,

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I'm really excited to talk about this
new project, this drop that just came

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out with The Doors. A little
bit about what it is. It is

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a new generation of collectibles for music
and band moments and culture in general.

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So what it is is actually a
display, a video display, but it's

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one that you can never change.
It's actually something we call a moving poster.

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And so what you're actually buying is
a digital piece of media like this

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moment in this case the e Fic
nineteen sixty eight Doors performance at the Hollywood

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Bowl, and you're actually purchasing the
entire performance in video format as a beautiful

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display collectible. And so it is
really a new concept in terms of display

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technology and how we think about what
this kind of video can mean and why

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it's so exciting. But what it
does is really turns it into something that

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you can own, that you can
have in your house, on your coffee

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table or bookshelf and really appreciate this
really cinematic, beautiful capture of that performance,

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which was actually only one of two
performances by the Doors that was ever

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captured on color video. So yeah, it is a really unique idea.

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Again, my company is called Infinite
Objects, and so we think about video

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as beautiful collectible objects in these displays
for a lot of different things, ranging

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from music to art to even video
games and entertainment. But with music,

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we've really really evolved the concept of
what a band or music collectible can be

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and what it can look like.
And and we're so happy to be doing

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this in the music space, working
with Clay and having all of our music

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moments is what we're calling them curated
by Clay and Zeal. So I'll let

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Clay talk about that. Yeah,
and thanks Joe, and thanks beeeing again

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for having us on and talking about
this exciting new collectible and new technology.

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And me as a music fan,
me as being in the space is all

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I have from from Interscope Records,
where a lot of your listeners probably recognize

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me from with allowed of the live
festival and the Danny Warren present shows.

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It's all about moments and and all
these these live performances or these or these

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music videos or other things that go
on in time are captured and they've been

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captured in the past just with a
static photo. And we all have these

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hanging on our walls, and we
have our favorite moments, you know,

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I personally have one from the Lopalooza
with Pearl Jam and Sound Garden sitting in

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the green room before they were who
they worried and bag of sonships and that's

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great and and and and this is
the next layer that this is the evolution

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of the of the music collectible and
and and what Joe and I are trying

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to do is really curate an incredible
collection for for all music fans. And

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and the doors drop is the first
of many incredible moments that we're gonna be

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sharing with the world. Uh.
And and like Joe said, this is

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their entire performance, uh, one
of two shows in color nine millimeters shoot,

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I believe. But it's it's just
a beautiful piece to have in your

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man cave, on your desktop wherever
you display your art piece or one of

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flex what you got and what you're
collecting. Uh. But it's also seen

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the other drops with other kind of
you know, other artists. You know,

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we just did something with the Dimebag, the early estate with with Dime

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and his history of Pantera. Uh. We have other select pieces from our

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lad piece to Kevin Destrada's select images, which include green Day and and and

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and and Blink twenty two moments that
he shot early on their careers. So

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it's just like credible new technology in
a way of displaying our favorite artists that

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were passionate about. And that's what
zeal. That's why we call this thing

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Zeal's the all means passionate. What
are you passionate about? And so the

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more and more Zeal collectibles that are
out there, the more community we can

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build people and start sharing, you
know, what they're collecting and recalling these

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great moments in time that they probably
personally intended hopefully. Well, one thing

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I want to ask, because I
think the listeners are probably thinking to themselves.

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I know the difference, and I
know it's way cooler, but how

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would you compare this to like an
NFT. Well, you can't hold an

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NFT in your hand. It's that's
a digital collectible and a digital object and

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lives in the digital realm. I
mean, we've been messing with NFTs longer

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than we think. I mean,
I always make the joke about how Apple

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started going to the digital NP three
format you were buying music, remember that,

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Dean, Yeah, those were all
NFTs. Those things were coded and

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licensed to you the buyer, and
those had value. And if those ever

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showed up on a file sharing site, universal music group, where one of

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the big dogs would come after you
and ensue you because you're illegally distributing their

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product. That's an NFT. This
is not you can't hold NFT in your

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hand. There's an NFT component if
we wanted it to be, if we

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took the content that was living on
these screens and put it up for you

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to own on your hard drive and
do as you will. But that's not

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what we're doing with the fitted objects
and zeal. You know, this is

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a moment of time that's in a
beautiful, physical, tangible format. You

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know, there was someone that made
a joke on Twitter that I was joking

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about. I was like, oh, it looks like a three hundred dollars

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gift. I was like, a
gift? Is it something you can hold

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in your hand? This is this
is a picture, This is this is

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basically a picture where that's authentic,
that has a certificate of authenticity. There's

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only x amount made and once they're
gone, they're gone. So you have

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anything to add to that. I'm
very passionate about this NFT music moment stuff,

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as you can tell. Yeah,
no, I mean you said it

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perfectly right. This is a physical
object and it is something that is really

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beautiful. It is the entire hour
and I think ten minute performance looping forever.

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And let me describe the product a
little bit more. It is imagine

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a baseball card that is housed in
like an acrylic frame. This is like

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that, except it's a ten inch
display inside of an acrylic block. So

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it feels it's really heavy. It
is very very it feels a little bit

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modern. But with the with the
doors units, we've customized them to include

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the actual concert poster from nineteen sixty
eight, so it's the backside of the

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unit actually is the concert poster from
nineteen sixty eight with with all four of

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them on there and the date and
all of the kind of information about the

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concert that you are holding right that
moment that you are holding. And like

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Clay said, it is limited edition. We also have a non edition version,

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but that the limited edition version even
is hand numbered and it really feels

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like a very special piece of memorabilia. The display has no buttons or switches.

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It turns on in your hands when
you take it out of the box,

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so it has the kind of magical
vibe to it. But then it's

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meant to be plugged in and always
on in a part of your space.

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Like Clay said, it could be
in your main cave, on your mantle,

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or a bookshelf for coffee table.
It's really something that turns people's heads

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when they see it, are always
like what am I looking at? And

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then when they're watching that entire performance, it's just very, very very striking.

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Another important note, it has no
audio. That's because audio, when

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it is always on and a part
of your space, becomes real annoying,

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real fast. On the backside,
there is a QR code that takes you

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directly to the Spotify at live album
of that performance, so you can totally

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listen along. But it is very
much a moving poster. That's why we

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call it that. See I love
that, and I love that you can

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hit a QR code and listen if
you want, because I'm sure people were

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thinking about that too. I'm glad
you brought that up of like, oh

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geez, I gotta listen to this
and loop it. It'll drive me crazy

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after like the third or fourth time, if not sooner, you know.

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So totally totally, but I totally
love this concept because to me, it's

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better than just having some poster that
you know, the posters cool and all,

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but I think that the moving part
of it, that's what makes this

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like super cool that I would definitely
want in my man cave for sure.

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That's what another thing is like.
With this performance being one hundred and ten

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minutes or so plus or minus.
You know, every time you come in

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your room wherever this is played,
it's always a new, unique moment,

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so that poster is always changing for
you, the interactor, the user,

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the consumer. So you know,
go in your room, lea leave,

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come back three hours later, and
you're gonna see a completely different moment of

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that of that show. And that
might be the moment when it's just isolated

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Jim Morrison close in, or that
might be a moment of a Robbie Krieger

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doing what he does, or the
whole band performing is a beautiful backdrop up

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as a Hollywood Bowl. You know, That's that's the cool thing about this.

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It's always evolving and changing, and
to Joe's point, you know,

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it's limited. Once they're gone,
they're gone, especially the hand numbered limited

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edition ones that we've done, and
being the last thing I was gonna say

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on it, which I love about
the backs is the poster, but it

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shows the four dollars ticket price.
Wow, could you imagine today? Imagine

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going to the Hollywood Bolt in today's
world watching the doors for four dollars let's

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go, I know, right,
and you know, probably it would be

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cool if you can get a shirt
for five dollars, you know, like,

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oh my god, four dollars to
go see the doors at the Hollywood

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Bowl. Like it's so that is
like so unreal to me because it is

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real. Like, you know,
I've seen playing his shows in la that

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were like two dollars, four dollars
five dollars at now would be like three

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hundred dollars. So like imagine the
point of like showing the old poster not

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to cut you off, Like that's
the whole point of it is, Like

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it's like it's the iconic moment.
That's what they use to advertise. So

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it's like you need to see the
time, the date, who the band

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was, and that that ticket price. You know, it shows that the

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iconic moment of Wow, people saw
the doors for four dollars, and when

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you look back at that compared to
what we're paying now to see our favorite

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artists, it's It's incredible to connect
with it in that sense, no doubt.

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So what was the what was a
moment that this like brain child came

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about that you decided to do this. So I'll jump in because Joe's a

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music fan himself and he's probably been
thinking about this longer than I have as

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well. But you know my story
of how I, me and Joe came

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to the spaces during COVID. Obviously
the NFT conversation was very hot. Me

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being in new business in the music
space and new business development, trying to

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find new art artist opportunities to make
money because to quote Snoop Dogg, you

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can have a billion streams and not
make a million dollars. So it's my

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job to find out where those where
those money can live. And as I've

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jumped deeper and deeper, you know, I always connect you with infiniteve objects.

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I always thought there had to be
a tangible experience with come select music

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and anything the artist is doing.
It can't just be here's a digital piece

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of art that includes a record and
that's it. It's like it had to

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be more, had to be an
experienced, had to be built around community.

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It wasn't about the crypto punks thing. It wasn't about you know,

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what Ozzie did, which I think
was incredible to you know, to me,

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those are novelty projects. To me, it's like, how do you

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consolidate the entire music space? And
to me, it's through collectibles. And

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it was always through moments. And
I kept looking back at the posters and

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the art work that lives in my
office in my house, and I kept

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going back to infinite objects, and
I had some projects I was working on

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and you know, trying to navigate
what we were going to do in the

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space. And over time, Joe
and I got to meet each other and

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I got to explain my passion points
and where I was coming from and what

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I wanted to do, and Joe
took a chance on me, and I

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just wanted to start by seeing if
people would buy this. You know.

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We went to Danny Wimmer Presents Loud
and Live Festival. Joe sent some of

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his staff out there to help me
educate people. Danny Wimmer, you know,

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wanted to chase new technology for his
business and his brand, so we

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wanted to try the lad and Life
festival. And we were there and there's

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a big hit people loved it.
We moved some units. We knew that

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people wanted to buy these moving posters
that include the Loud and Life festival on

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the back, but also just cool
art on the front. But then to

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me, it evolved from there where
it's like, how do we get this

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to the next layer? And that
was the band moments. That was people

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playing the shows, getting the old
content from the old doors. Nineteen SIXTI

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performance of the Hollywood Bowl, that's
the content. I think we wanted to

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start showcasing because I automatically went back
to the picture that was hanging on my

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wall of Nevada, the picture hanging
on my wall of Pearl Jam and Sound

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Garden. I kept going back to
those. I'm like, man, would

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it be cool if Eddie Vedder was
slaying on that rafter picture that that is

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iconic? Like what if he was
moving? And that was the actual momentum

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moving. And then I got like, I said, I'm going around circles

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here. But that's how Joe and
I met, And Joe was a gigantic

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music fan himself, so I think
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Joe, I'll pass it you to
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mean, I was a musician.
I studied music in college, and you

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know I was in bands from middle
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you know, music has been such
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I myself am like a product person, so I've been building you know,

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software side, the hardware side.
I started Infinite Objects about five years

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ago. And the entire concept is
always about content that you love, content

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that you care about, right,
and that you know our company we do

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you know, personal videos so you
can print a TikTok if you want.

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We also do art like that could
be really you know digital art and the

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whole NFT space. Yeah, we
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But when it comes to really the
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just elevate content, content that you
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that is historic. Right, This
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and our product is a very emotional
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is not just beautiful but also meaningful. And so, you know, meeting

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Clay a couple of years ago and
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in terms of how artists and bands
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and how they connect with their fans
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their fans. Our product is a
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means, what memorabilia can mean,
and what it can look and feel like.

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And again, you know, it's
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gonna hold, you're going to treasure, it's going to live in your space.

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And it's so fucking unique. That
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something you've ever seen before. But
then when you look at it, you're

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like, oh my god, I
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Raymond's Ark, that's you know,
Jim Morrison, and it's really iconic.

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This drop in particular is a really
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I love the concept and that's why
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because you know, NFTs, if
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I'm like, I don't want to
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poster. I want it sitting right
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in front of me, and I
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and just you know, having it
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makes it just way cool. And
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we didn't bring up. It's like
how I got to know infinite objects.

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do music videos back when I was
a interesstco nam, Mike Winkleman, who's

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now known as People. He was
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on nifty Gateway and I was watching
him and he was a friend, So

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I'm like, seeing this crazy success
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including a tangible, you know,
the tangible aspect of it. So the

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one of one was a gold plated
infinite objects. I'm like, this is

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so cool how he's taking the digital
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did more and more research, and
you know, I was already a current

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fan of the NBA top Shot,
which is you know, music sports collectibles

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for basketball, which is basically the
highlights that ESPN shows, and I was

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actively collecting those and and Joe,
Joe, I would love you to mention

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what you're doing with the NBA and
top shots and all the other stuff in

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sports, but you know, to
me, that's That was the proof of

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concept to me that music would work
because I saw what was happening with the

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NBA, specifically in the top shot
where I was engaging naturally like I used

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to do is collecting sports cards.
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I was thinking about the fact that, you know, you go to a

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show, a live show, and
then let's say it's captured in something like

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this, Like let's say there's somebody
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The emotions that this can bring out
in somebody, because it's one thing you

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look at a picture of a show
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but when you actually see the actual
show man, that just triggers some serious

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feelings totally. And and you know
when Clay is you know, thinking about

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who we should be working with,
you know, like you said, we've

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we've dropped several already with like Win
Any two, Green Day, Dive Back,

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Darryl, and now the Doors.
We're very much thinking from the lens

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of the fan, right like what
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and you know, being a fan
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a legacy act. You know,
this is not you know, and is

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you know, like it's I know, uh, I think Rob Grieger is

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on tour now, but like there's
it's just such a it's a historical thing

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and exactly like you said, if
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think about the modern next, that's
exactly what we're thinking about. What is

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the most exciting thing that can capture
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a part of that of that show. So totally on. Absolutely, So

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tell everybody how they can check out
your websites and connect you on socials and

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and check out all of the cool
stuff that you're doing. Yeah, you

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can head to Infinite objects dot com. Slash Music, that's one spot.

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We're also on the Doors store,
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com or just the Doors dot com. And we've got tons of stuff coming

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out. Anything else, Clay,
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you nailed it. It's just Infinite
objects dot Com. You get everything,

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see the drops, join the mailing
list you wanted to if you never bought

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anything. I think first first time
buyers get ten percent off. But the

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whole thing is we're gonna do these
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The October has been all about the
doors. We got the grunge drop coming

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up soon, which we're really excited
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on down the road. But you
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looking at this through the lands of
a fan, because Joe and I are

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fans first. That's why we're in
the business of what we do. That's

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why we chase the things we do, that's why we continue to do everything

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else that kind of supports what we
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So we're always looking at from the
fans perspective. And if people have ideas

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and want to see stuff, hit
us up on socials. Infinite Objects is

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on socials, follow zeal tell us
if you want to want us to look

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into stuff, we want to hear
from the fans and and we want fans

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to start sharing the collectibles and and
and there's gonna be more to come.

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a new wave of connecting and communicating
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so that's why I wanted to ask
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talked to, how do they react
to this, they flip out. I

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mean, unfortunately, we haven't done
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That's why we're curing the thing.
It's not open to everybody. So unfortunately

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the dimebag, you know, Dime
never saw this, but it is what

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Rita did right, and Rita loves
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content that we're showcasing that helped put
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you should hear the ideas that this
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these other ideas of these moments of
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the road to the fans, and
the fans can have a piece of him.

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I think overall, the reception from
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more of like it's new technology,
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to see what happens as time goes
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and a lot of times it's the
estates that are early adopters because they're

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trying to keep the legacies alive somehow, and this is a great way we

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brought up, you know, nineteen
sixty eight. If you were at that

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show. I'm not sure if my
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knew she was living in Hollywood during
in nineteen sixty eight. She was a

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fan of the door. So guess
what mom's getting for Christmas? You know,

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because I want her to feel that
and relived, because you know,

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I'm where I'm at because of my
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moment that created what we're all at
today, you know. So that's that's

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the beautiful thing about these There's the
emotional touch point that a certain consumer will

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feel if they attended these things one
hundred percent. Like, I'm all about

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the emotional part of it. That's
why, you know, That's why I

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think it's way cool because it's,
like I said before, not just an

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image. This is something and vokes
emotions and brings you back to a time

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that you know you felt good.
It's almost even you could call these like

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motivational too. We'll add that to
our campaign. These are motivational moments brought

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to you by the objects. See
there you go. Is there anything we

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haven't covered yet that you want the
listeners to know about? The whole project

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or anything about it that you know
it's official. I think, you know,

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officially licensed, right. This is
you know Jampole that we worked with,

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who runs the Doors of State.
This is you know, official Doors

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merchandise. And I think that's another
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it is really coming from the Doors
the State is fully sanctioned. Obviously,

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we worked with them on the design. They you know, provided all the

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video itself, which again is archival
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in nineteen sixty eight. It's just
wow. It's a really exciting iteration of

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collectibles for music merchandise. And I
totally love that it's official because I'm all

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about that. I think that makes
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important, but that proves the legitimacy
of your product and how great it is

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and why it's worth everybody checking out
and getting their own, of course,

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so that they can have it in
wherever they want to put it on.

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Thanks for coming up with this idea. It is badass, and I do

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really love the doors concept and I
can't wait to see all the other ones

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that you're gonna come out with.
I assure listeners need to go to the

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website, go check everything out,
connect on the socials and get your piece

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of history, because to me,
it's not only history of back of the

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this is history right now what you're
doing. And I thank you for that

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and thanks for being on the Adventures
of pipe Man. Thanks so much,

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pipe Man, Thanks for having us, Thanks for having us brother. Thank

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you for listening to the Adventures of
pipe Man on w for CUI Radio.