PipemanRadio Interviews Leslie from Mandoki Soulmates

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very excited about our next return guests
because we're going to talk about some music.

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We're going to talk about some history, but you know, I'm really

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excited about talking about analog music post
to digital. And so let's welcome to

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the show. Leslie from Mandoki Soulmates, how are you? Thank you so

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much for having me again. And
I really remember how autent ticket was as

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I spoke to you last time,
as we were in New York City and

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played the Beacon Theater. We coases
you made the shiny line of the Rolling

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Star. So it was a wonderful
day. And thank you for supporting that

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big concept of us in New York
City. And thank you for having us

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now with a new album and memory
of our future. Yes, and man,

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you guys, just one thing I
have to say, just true musicianship,

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no matter what, all the music
you put out and this what I

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was talking about before, only shows
the true musicians it because this album was

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done, mastered, produced, record, it all entirely analog. And I

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see you know why, I think
that's uh, that's true musicianship because most

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people don't realize that there's a there's
parts missing and music in digital from that

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or an analog that you can't have. You like, digital is this choppiness

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that cuts out kind of the middle, and analog has a very different sound

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because it's that wavy, smooth sound
opposed to the choppiness. Thank you for

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the description, because I go one
hundred percent along with it. You know

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that it came like this. You
know, we were out on the road

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and at the end of the show
we sung the torch. This is the

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song from Utopia for Reals on the
last album and it's about the rebels and

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the young rebels, and said,
gave me pass on the torch and started

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to say no, no, we're
not going to pass on the torch because

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the world turned to be a labyrinth
of crisis and the compass is lost.

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And then so we just spoke,
and Tony carry said, Leslie, I

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hate you, I really desperately hate
you. You've wright with such a young,

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powerful songs right now like I was
twenty two as I brought that way.

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And also you know we all aging
differently, and so finally, so

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we had these old songs which is
supposed to be woodstock four points there you

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know, some kind of fresh you
say, and someone I don't know,

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it's could I've been Ali Mola?
Since do you have still the old two

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inch machine in your basement in in
the cellar of your studio? You never

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sell anything, so you probably have
it. But what about, you know,

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making an analog album? So and
for all our listeners, so let's

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talk about to the ladies. Now
only for the lads. Hey, ladies,

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are there listening? Not? How
would you like to have your love

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letter by two of us? Uh? Ye? Have it as a text

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message an email? Or would you
like to have a handwritten with pen handwritten

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love letter? And guess what,
probably every each feminine listeners would say,

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of course, very nice to have
a love handwritten love letter. You know,

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take it in so and the and
the and the analoge recording has three

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different aspects. The one you were
describing a segment to none, so the

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description is great. Another aspect is
this is this is the sound esthetic.

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You know, our ears are analogue, so so this is you hear it

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even in a and you know,
smartphone, small lousy speaker, and you

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still hear the analogue warmth because the
myths are natural, them highs unnatural,

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and the basi is not wooming as
natural. So everything is because of the

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tape. Compression is the only really
great compassion in life. So audio wise,

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but the other other aspect, let
me explain it to you that which

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is equally important for me. All
of a sudden, the whole focus of

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creativity, you know, of creation
was taking place during the recording and not

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during the post production, because you
can only one track for the guitar solo.

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And this limitation was an incredibly creative
boost because the red light plant on

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its recording and you have only that
much material to record on. You know

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you can't, I mean digital butson
know spoiling us. We can stack it

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and one more and one more and
one more and there another staging, and

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then you go to the post production
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day and night, and so at
the end of today is a handwritten love

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letter to our audience. And it's
really went down as that you hear and

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and and this, and you have
this incredibly fortunate honor that you have this

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best musician or earth you can have
Greg Leake, late Greg Lake on Amazon.

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Ligan Parmer said, once the bbccene
to you about mad sos as he

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was performing with us as and the
BBC guy excising as Simon, what about

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Madougi Somis You know, you are
the hero of Amazon Lincoln Barmer and King

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Crimson and said, well, it's
very simple. Best band of the world.

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So because you know you have Steve
look at aldim and Mike guitar,

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you know, and to make a
long stay show if you are so fortunate

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like me and honored by these you
know, legendary iconic great players. It

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was so fantastic to record of them
and the look because you had this you

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know, kind of spat and positive, you know, pressure on you that

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you know the red light is on
it, you fire it right now.

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So that's that was wonderful. I
think too. Sometimes it does make it

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better to have that feeling of having
to do it right from the beginning,

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opposed to a we can fix it
later. You cannot fix it later.

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That that's wonderful, you know,
right. It's like when you're getting your

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last bird of your lifetime. You
can't fix it anymore, you know.

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And this is when you just pushed
the bottom and you recorded it's just smack

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on. This is wonderful. So
and and and we enjoyed it so much.

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That pressure because we because I wouldn't
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but but but we we put it
the focus on the last period of time

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always, you know, be programmed
the beginning. You know that you had

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a medi sort of structure before you
replace them track by track by real life

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and then post an action. And
now all of a sudden, I just

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wrote the music sheets, you know, and the and the lyrics will just

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stype out, but you know,
just but the book, first of all,

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it was handwritten, and you know, all of a sudden, everything

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you know, you don't hear eight
boss eight boss eight bus trading of the

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solos, of these blessing solos.
But you have your mutual recording has just

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been playing together. Absolutely. I
want to go back to your example too,

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because man, that spot on.
Because writing a love letter. Okay,

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so first of all, they don't
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in penmanship, And if you were
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be incursive, you know, because
then they would like it even more,

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like you put more effort into it
if you did incursive. And you know,

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just it's like music. There's something
missing when you do an email or

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a text message opposed to writing it
out, you know, and it's the

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same what I mean, just the
perfect analogy because the woman will get on

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much more of an emotional connection from
that handwritten note than that text message or

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email. And I think that's the
same with music. You get much more

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deeper soulful connection with the analog than
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deeper, in my opinion, um, with you hand it pro and as

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much good goes much more deeper that
that's the point. This is the right

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expression. As touch as you my
heart, you know this is you know

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why because of the honesty y our
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receiver feels it. You know that
feels it humanity that touches you, and

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because it speaks to you a different
way and you you just just hear things

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differently, and you you became,
all of a sudden you feel that it's

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not two and a half minutes is
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music? You know? So this
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But what came from social media and
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it's just enlarging it. So because
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hurt you, that doesn't imply you
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and taking your smartphone and you have
your iPod on and and you're you know,

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so this is just all of a
sudden it calls you in to,

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hey, let's take a walk on
the right side, you know, and

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enjoy music again, even if you
listen to in your smartphone device or just

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done a assfle but you fear the
difference. Key word is feel, because

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you know, people think of music
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they think it's all about hearing.
I think the most important about part of

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music is the feeling you get from
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musician gives from it, there's something
to it. I remember when I was

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taking in college a music appreciation class
and they were teaching how to write a

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long lasting hit song. And basically
what they say is, you know,

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there's three types of people, which
we know. There's visual, there's auditory,

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there's kinesthetic, and in order to
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to have all three components. Well, the king aesthetic is the feeling type

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of person. The auditory is the
listening type of person. The visual is

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the seeing type of person. So
if the sound of the music was the

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only component, then it wouldn't be
as full an when we have such massive

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appeal and be as great a music, you have to have all three components.

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Absolutely. Uh, it's what a
wonderful conversation because, uh, you

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know what, I'm enjoying us so
much to talk to you because normally the

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Q and A on radios and this
is not because we just talked like buddies,

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uh have a b or a coffee, but you know, and reflecting

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life in the mirror of analogue music, so you know, a mirror of

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reflecting. And then maybe this,
maybe if I may add one more aspect

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to Italy, we are living in
trying years. You know, this is

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just a kind of emotionally difficult,
challenging times what we are going through.

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You mentioned that your father even a
grandfather in your young years. And we

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have a huge responsibilyy for our kids, especially grand kids, you know,

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because one day whenever, hopefully a
long time ago, but one day wey,

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I'm going to pass over the torch. And and I would like to

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be someone who can tell to the
kids, we will give or outmost best

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to pass over a better boat to
you, you know. And and unfortunately

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I'm a guy who was who was
there eighty nine as the building walk came

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down, and you know, the
Iron Curtain has been destroyed, and and

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we were just about having a paradise
on earth because the Cold War was gone,

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you know. And and and I
had the feeling I have to write

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music about, you know, this
piece and freedom. You know that because

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I was growing up behind the Iron
Curtain, and and I was an extremely

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American minded person, you know,
which talk was like the Communists were saying,

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I'm poisoning my mind because I was
listening secretly to what I was of

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America Radio station, you know.
Uh, and the Russians British disturbed,

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disturbing that, you know, yeah, shortly radio uh and so and I

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was, I was, you know, illegally I learned English, you know,

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which we should that because the idea
of the Russians occupation was that from

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North Korea to Cuba we all speak
as a second language Russian. You know

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what. That was very English.
So and I hated it, I tell

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you, I hated it so much, so bad. And and today we

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had to do this album because and
we had to call it like that,

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a memory of our future. Because
as one of the courses, hard times

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create hard people, hard people creating
easy times, easy times real easy people,

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and easy people create hard times.
Again, that's where we are now.

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So when we were love to give
our audience after ALTI music, lover

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this compass back, you know,
to to repaint our blacks man on the

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record to white again, you know, to be the light at the end

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of the dark town. So let's
give an answer. And one more thing.

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You know, we are living in
a divided world. And and and

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one of our posters when we are
touring Europe is saying music is the greatest

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unifier. And you know, we
have to relearn, seriously, really learn

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the fact that you know that if
someone having a different opinion, the oppositional

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opinion of yours, it's not your
enemy. It's just the guy who has

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another opinion. And and this is
the butt. This is all the message

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of the If you go through the
album, you know, first blood in

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the water than a nigma of reason
wonder big with Davis encyclopaedic. This switch

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is about the awful result of social
media. This you know because as you

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were a young kid, and I
was a young kid, our heroes Jimi

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Hendrix and Eric Kleapp, you know, not the lousy influencer who who et

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cetera. I can't do anything,
but I'm an influencer. But we were

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influenced by you know, Jack Kevra
when it comes down to literature, you

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know. So we had our heroes, you know, you know they changed

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all the better place, you know. So this album is also a lot

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about this. We stay loud,
you know, the old hip is are

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back and and and and we would
like to teach take the hand of the

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young rebels and and as we're old
rebels and and with this analog handmade music

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to create something something, but going
to of time. I love it.

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And you know, you touch on
so many points that are so important,

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and I think that's what's going to
unify us. And you touch on point

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that I talk about all the time. Music is the great unifiers, the

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great therapist. And I think a
big reason, it's my opinion, a

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big reason that people are so angry
right now, so divided, so attacking,

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is because we went two years without
any live music, no outlet.

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Music is the outlet of all of
our anger, frustration, depression and all

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that stuff, and we had no
outlet. We had to sit by ourselves

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with all these things with nothing to
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And I think that's what created what
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if we want a solution to all
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think we just need to have one
big world music festival where everybody attends and

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we could all, you know,
stand up united together. Because I don't

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know, all these politicians all over
the world, they're pretty smart because they're

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using the oldest trick in the book
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say, they're all on the same
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team is the rest of the world. Thank you so much. I always

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can't sign it, sign it,
sign it you speak my mind. Next,

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thank you so much for that.
Because this is all about and music

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could heal the world. I mean, let me share with you a little

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story about it. Yes, after
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Iaron Curtain was coming down and the
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Cold War. One day Miha Garbacher
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the Civic Union who actually destroyed the
Communists and uh, and he was saying

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he was asking me to give him
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I invited him and his late wife
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talk. And shortly before that,
Henry Kissinger was here, who was awarded

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me for being an anti communist fighter. And Miak explained to me that that

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why prob rock like jet Rotal was
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was the music of the free mind, of the free world. And then

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he said, as he was coming
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so just he wanted to turn to
me more democratic. Then his idea was

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to that the Russian Communist Soviet,
a state owned rac cod company is going

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to print one million copies of the
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and and they just to prove to
the kind of intellectual students leadership in

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Moscows and Petersburg in Iran that now
broad rock is going to be allowed,

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so be tending to get free.
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what music means to us who were
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without the American individual freedom. You
know that? And and I'm just sharing

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with your listeners now because you should
be self confident, but the American longing

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for freedom. How important it was
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alive and emotionally that woodstock and everything
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kid in a kindergarten, but you
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so elementary in many ways. Uh, and that that I've never forgotten how

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ill able it was in my as
I was fourteen years old to listen listen

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to a check With album. I
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uh tape copy of seventh generation mono
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Uh you know, you know,
you could impress the girls in the

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school, you know school, I
have seven generation one and you know that

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you put a little smile to all
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ye s tape recorder was building Prague
in check and they called Tesla, uh,

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you know, like the American cars
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And so it was was printed on
that losty plastic tape machine. It was

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written the stereo, but that only
one speaker that was Eastern block, you

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know. So and the only bridge
to you guys who lived in freedom was

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music to learn that melodies, to
learn that you know, hormonies, to

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understand the lyrical context, you know. And so music was to music is

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today that we just unify against this
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then it was also the music was
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Berlin nowadays is a perfect example that
because like I was there a few years

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ago, and I would never imagined
what you lived through while I was sitting

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there in Berlin because it was so
progressive there and so felt so free there.

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and so it is amazing where Berlin
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experienced that I think maybe they're more
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good way now than in a bad
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Absolutely, I mean now it's the
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because there's decades of longing for freedom
and you know you got killed with you

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know, the censorship, the torture. Then you know there's a you could

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that you've been told, like me
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Los Angeles or Miami, or London
or New York City or Berlin so or

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West Part. So the music could
tresput so much of those emotions. Are

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you looking for freedom? And that's
why we wrote those songs, and that's

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why we recorded, and that's why
we were choosing the most honest and most

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authentic way to record. That's why
it's analoge. I love it. I

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love it. So tell everybody how
they can reach out to you on socials,

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on the web and you know,
get the new album, check out

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all the new music and everything else
you have to offer. Oh yeah,

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sure, I mean you find us
everywhere. Actually, if you type in

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your device and Madougie Somades me and
the okay Ki and some Mandooki Hungarians are

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speaking, you know, like like
writing that to speak phonetically Madougie So Mates,

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and a new album is a memory
of our future, and you will

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find it everywhere and on all streaming
services. And of course if you really

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want to go crazy, then buy
a vinylor a double vinyl with a thirty

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two page book to that or CD
also very nice. I mean I've worked

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a lot, that's and so the
painting is and it is the back cover,

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and you will find Ian Ens and
chat with Aldi Mala Mixture, Randy

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Brackett, Bill that will still Brunder, Tory, Kerry Corey, Henry Niquheny,

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Simon Phillips, Jess, John Halliwell, super Trump and Mark Out,

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Steve Bailey, Richard Bonner so so
and truly supergroup. And and we think

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that I mean we have surely one
year together, this gang, but we

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think this is the best big Greed
ever as a wonderful piece of music.

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And you will find us on socials
also and Dougie So Mates and also of

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course our ending page. So enjoy
and and if you really want to make

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yourself a great present or your toll
loved ones and then then Amazon CD or

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a Whino because this is really if
you get a linyl, a double vinyl,

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that you will experience a very special
acoustic moment of your life, because

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it's truly, truly, that's what
your ears are asking for since ages.

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And I definitely agree with you because
listen, a lot of kids, they

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don't have the experiences we did where
you sat down, you buy an album

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and it was a full sensory experience. It was looking at all the artwork,

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looking at the lyrics, totally immersing
yourself in the album, you know,

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and listening to the actual whole album
and doing all the other artistic stuff

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at the same time, and so
all for it. People should definitely get

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the vinyl because there's nothing better than
vinyl, you know, because of all

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of the creativity and art that represents. And when you're listening to music,

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it's like you take off into a
journey and you can forget all about your

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problem, the world's problems, or
anything negative and just immerse yourself in the

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music and feel good and have hope
for the future. Exactly. I couldn't

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say anywhere thank you so much,
I mean, because that's all about we

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should create beown music, a better
word, absolutely better tomorrow will I mean,

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our kids observing this, yes,
and you're definitely doing that for us,

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So thank you for that, and
thanks for being on the Adventures of

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Pie Man. Oh, thank you
for having me again. And I was

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wonderful to see you again. And
the next time we just got together,

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then we will have again another sunglass. So just make me a little bit,

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gotta switch it up, right,
Yeah, yeah, that's why I

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was thinking about fifteen minutes. Do
you remember how was your other song?

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Glass? You know, but I
I got a whole drawer full of them.

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You know, at this stage in
life, they're almost required, you

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know. Oh yeah, your granddad. Fine, that's right, that's right.

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Well, thank you so much for
having us. And let's wrong.

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So here with the so much,
let's do with a memory of our future.

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Thank you so much. Thank you
for listening to the Adventures of Patemn

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on w for c u I Radio.