Aug. 8, 2024

PipemanRadio Interviews Reverent son About Bloodstock 2024 and more

Reverent son plays at Bloodstock 2024 

The band in and out of the studio on our first release, all guitars are basically done its just vocals and solos .You will love the art work we have for it!

Reverent son sees themselves as a  mix of the The...

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Reverent son plays at Bloodstock 2024

The band in and out of the studio on our first release, all guitars are basically done its just vocals and solos .You will love the art work we have for it!

Reverent son sees themselves as a mix of the The sword and a Mastodon rip off so going for that vibe

They have a great stage performance, our lead track is Circled by sharks, based on jaws movie, where we throw inflatable sharks into the crowd.

They love chatting about the importance of paying the artist, a lot of bands cheap out on art work and i think it hurts them.

Green Lung taught them pay the artist and make sure you maximize using that art work, I mean Iron Miden art work still speaks for itself.

Reverent son will play over 30+ shows this year and did just over 30 shows last year (they did 7 prior to that) so they have really honed being a live band first.

They also made the decision they where going to record the album properly, in a studio, not in our bedroom, They think that's always good debate of the pros and cons of home studio over a real studio.

Reverent son is based in Essex (South east of England)

Reverent son Bio:
Birthed in 2020 , Reverent Son blends the late 70's hard rock with the more modern and progressive music of today. Old books and movies provide the source material. The bands influences include ; Mastodon, Megadeth, Black Sabbath, Devin Townsend,COC and Thin Lizzy.
By taking lyrical and song inspiration from cultural references, sci-fi stories, stop frame animation movie monsters, witchcraft, cult followings, supernatural and historical events, the songs take on an adventurous style. Reverent Son entertains live with a haze of riffs, onstage mascots and memorable pop culture quotes.

Recent winner of the Essex metal to the masses - playing Bloodstock open air festival in August 2024.

Band members:
Ross Mckie - Guitar/Vox
Danny Masson - Guitar/Vox
Oliver Gill - Bass/Vox
Nick Budgen- Drums

Links:
Linktree - https://linktr.ee/reverentson
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/reverentson/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/reverentson/?hl=en

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pipe Man. This is the pipe Man here on the

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Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm

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here with our next guest again. We're going over to

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Pond because I'm supposed to be at Bloodstock this weekend

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having a blast, and instead I'm gonna be having a

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blast at my daughter's wedding. I don't know, maybe not

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my ex wife will be there, so maybe there'll be

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more drama than there would be a Bloodstock, But we'll see.

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But I'm really bummed because So I was at grass

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Pop recently and I was hanging out with my friend

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from the UK Ween and we were talking about he

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has this thing called hell Fest at home, and then

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we were talking about me being involved in it next year,

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and then we were gonna do our own version in

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Florida together here. But he said to me, Hey, one

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of the bands that played at Hellfest at home, you

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know they're gonna be playing Bloodstock. You should talk to him.

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I'm like sure, And then after talking to my next guests,

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I found out there were there was a lie confusion

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with multiple people wanted us to get together. So here

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we are and let's welcome to the show. Ross from

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Reverend Son. How are you?

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Oh, everybody from across the bond wherever you are? How going?

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So, yeah, it was pretty funny. You were just telling

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me the story about how you got two requests for

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me to interview you, but you didn't know they were

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both me, and it blew your mind when you found out,

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you know, the the six degrees of separation there.

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Yeah, so I'll explain how we When we do Bloodstock,

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you can heart you can get people who do stuff

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for you, like you interviews and stuff like that. And

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we've done radio interviews and we've got some interviews, books

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off we play and basically I've got around for the fact,

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you know, speak to this guys in the States something

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that's pretty cool, right, like you know is like well

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uk bare. So at the same time, a friend of

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us called Wayne, who would played his garden and stuff

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like that, had said, dude, I've got you this interview, right.

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I'm like okay, okay, and he's like it's from the States.

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I'm like, oh, this is wicked right anyway, So I'm like, okay,

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I'll pocket that one and I'll saw them out. I

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had like a hernia surgery three weeks ago, so I

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was like, oh, while I'm recovering, I'll saw these people out.

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And I'm like, I'm putting the link in. You know,

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it comes up in the top of the screen, and

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I'm going, I'm putting the other one in and okay,

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what better. And I'm going these look the same. So

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I'm like, obviously I'm clicking on the same link from

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what so delete them all, put them back in. I'm like,

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this is coming up that it's the same guy, right,

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And so by some very strange and very small percentage,

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I don't know, there's probably people watching. This would be

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able to explain. I've got I know who lives seven

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minutes drive from me is now dating an American who

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someone that you work with and has either lived locally

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or whatever. And he's now dating that person and then

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has been and I had now met that person, and

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so I have now I had two links for you

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from two separate, non related things.

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It's wild how the universe works.

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I wouldn't even know what the actual realistic. I hope

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maybe someone can reply and say, oh, by the way, statistically,

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this is the chances of that happening.

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I think. I think the chances of that happening are

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less likely than winning the lottery.

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Yeah, but no, one's not going to win the lottery

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because you're very Actually you should be very lucky. You

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are my lottery. Everyone gets luck. And that this was it.

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like metal music, alternative music works in certain circles. So yeah,

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there is a smaller chance. I understand that. But still,

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and he didn't know anything about the other interview. He

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would know nothing about.

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That, No, he wouldn't.

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Two people have come to you and said how probably

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how many people do these sort of interviews?

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this interview.

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Now.

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pretty cool. Okay. So I'm from New Jersey and there

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was this family in New Jersey that was on the

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Masquan River, which is a river near where I lived,

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and they got attacked by something in the river. And

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literally it was bad. Now there's this movie about that story. Okay,

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Now the movie talks about this great white shark and actually,

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in reality, you might not even know this is a

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bull shark. I know about bull sharks and yeah, and

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the problem with bull sharks is they go anywhere it

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doesn't fresh water, brackish water, Florida.

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Problem, they get in and then they eat the crocs.

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Is that right?

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Yeah? Well, and see that's the problem in Jersey too.

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As they were in the river and his family was

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in a river. Never you're going to expect to get

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attacked by a shark, and they got attacked by a shark.

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And that's where the concept of the movie Jaws came from.

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That most people think it's a great weight in Long Island,

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that's just the stage of the movie. It is based

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on a real story.

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They caught a great white and it had human remains

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in I've watched the whole program, but they reckon that

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those whoe remains were probably someone that had died and

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then it just eat them. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because

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there is a guy he'd be at a death with

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like an all you know, but that great white, I

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mean I heard even a great white sizes like me.

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He's still gonna do a lot of damage. But yeah,

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it's probably fair.

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And bull sharks, man, I've watched during Shark Week because okay,

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here's where it's interesting to me again, more of the

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six degrees of separation. I am looking at the notes,

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you know, when I was getting ready to talk to

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you and about your stage performance for the lead track

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Circled by Sharks. And it's based on the Jaws movie.

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And I am a surfer, so I amazingly saw that. Yeah,

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and of course I know the Jaws story. And then

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I see your live performance, which you're gonna do at Bloodstock,

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and it's so funny and cool. They can throw inflatable

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sharks into the crowd. I'm now even more bummed. I

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won't be at Bloodstock because I want one of those.

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Maybe it was so funny to lead to another story.

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At Grasspop, I was hanging out with these two girls

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in the machine Head pit, and during machine Head they

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were throwing out these balls, big inflamable balls, and so

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one of the girls. Of course, you know how we

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are as guys, Like a hot girl's gonna ask us

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to do something, and you know we'll stop everything and

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do it. So they wanted one of those. They wanted

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one of those, and I saw like I went and

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got one and like came the air out of it,

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like took the whole set. There was so much area

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to gate. I was like, you had to lie. I

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wish we had a video of this because there were

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a bunch of us in the middle of the machine

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head pit lying on these balls trying to deflate them

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as people are marching around us.

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Yeah, yeah, I bet, yeah, but the worst something right. Yeah,

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that's why someone will go on eBay and say I've got.

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Nice So I want the shark from the Reverend Sunshell.

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I can send you on. They're not that great we

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get on Amazon.

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I could use it, Okay, so I'll be another festival

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in a couple of weeks. I can bring it to

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a festival and put it on the interview table.

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I'll give you address. I'll try and send you one. Yeah,

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they're not they're just like cheap, do you know what

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you say? That though, we we've got to look at

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trying to go to a wholesale which so you can

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get them on the on the cheap because you know

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we're spending like you know, three four quid pounds a shark, right,

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and you've got to remember, like, although we weirdly people

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give them back to us, Like this is a one

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way journey we've got.

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It's weird that people give it back to you.

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Yeah, like we we're just like, no, we've got like,

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we have got a big shark. But I think we

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call it Lydia, right, I think this is her last show,

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so we're going to take her. She's like a giant shark.

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Most of them are like that. I think this is

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going to be her last I mean, she's done two years.

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We've asked this big shark. So we're going to sign it,

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pull our stickers on it, and then we're going to

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throw it out and be like because you know they

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only take you know, they're not designed for mosh pits, right, No,

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weird people throwing back and then we're like, yeah, no,

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I have to go home with these. You know, I've

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spent like forty to fifty quid on sharks and that's

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a loss. Right, you do it because it's part of

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the show.

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Not one un Americans would not give it back, just

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saying right now, I don't want it about this British

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like that's mine. Now you're not getting it back.

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British people were like, I'm going to keep do you

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want this back? I'm like, yeah, I guess.

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First at first I grasp pop. I was laughing because

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I saw these dudes. They're not fighting in the marsh pit,

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but they're fighting over these stupid inflatable things. And then

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I'm laughing at them. I'm like, that's really ridiculous. And

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then when I went to get the one for that girl,

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and then I finally got sick of trying to get

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the air out of it, so I brought it back

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to Wayne and Laurie. Okay, So all roads lead back

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to Wayne, okay, And I brought it back to them

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the hole. And as I'm walking back walking through the pits,

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I'm having like dudes come and try to like rip

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it out of my hand, like it's just stupid inflatable.

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Like you're looking to like beat me up over a

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stupid inflatable. But we can go into the marsh pit

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and not want to beat each other up.

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I don't know if you watched the ghost movie that

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came out right cinema movie, which oh I don't think

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I saw it.

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Yeah, right, So we for some reason.

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Didn't get the popcorn can and the cups and everything

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right to whatever in our local area. Obviously they would

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have been like, I don't know, twenty five quidy to

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get your cut popcornki. As we know, ghosts are very

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like kiss and the people that are into them are

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into I've actually got I probably can send you one.

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I've got like an original. I've got about ten of them,

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original Trooper cups, the big black cups. When I made

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and first brought out Trooper beer. Oh, they did limited that.

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You could only rather have that than ghosts, right.

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But what it becomes is is they they become collectible.

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And in the last ten years fifteen years since I've

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done festivals as a as a kid, like I'm playing

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music and everything I've watched how what happens is is

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that that people have honed in on that what you

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and I would have just gone, there's a cup, and

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I gave them away. I got like like you bought

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you got one with every bit and I was obviously

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drinking like fifteen at the time. Stumpings. You know, people

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were just throwing them away. But that's the point. Because

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people were throwing them away, they'd become and you think

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anything that's collectible is usually because people threw it away.

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But the toys people got rid of them, and now

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people are on eBay saying I've got this nineteen eighties

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to Transformers toy for under three year olds and people

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pay five hundred quid. That's a true story. I had

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a guy who's got one of the biggest Transformer collections.

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I work with him, and weirdly enough, while Bloodstock's going

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on in Birmingham, just next door is the Transformer convention

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and he told me that story, and I said, where

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he paid five hundred quid, it could have been two

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hundred uid because it was a limited edition under three

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years old Transforming there would have been what for the movie.

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I don't know when the movie came out. I don't

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I don't remember. I wasn't probably even born. But those

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things become a collectible because people threw them away. So

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the toy story toys that came out, if you are

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then a collective of toy story, they're probably what you're

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looking for. And it's the same thing, the same thing

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as inflatable, especially if if they've got the logo of

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the band on right right.

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Yeah, So it didn't have the logo of the band.

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That's why I'm like, who cares. It's like just in inflatable.

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It's not like a machine head inflatable.

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You know, it doesn't matter because someone will someone out

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there will say yeah, but you know that would have

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been on eBay the next day to your point.

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Okay, you're ready for this. To your point. In the

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United States, most of the festivals were sponsored by Monster

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Energy drink. And what you would have back in press

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an artists area is the Monster Tour water. And it's

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just water, that's all it is. They don't sell it

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out there in the festival and I had who was it?

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I think it was a daughter of mine. It's like,

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oh no, it was the person that runs by Louisiana Studio.

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She was like, you need to get me some tour water.

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And I'm like, oh, it's just water in a can.

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No.

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They are collector's items, you get. They're so hard to

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find and people are selling them on eBay for like

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five hundred dollars an empty can of tour water, Like

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it's just a monster a water in a Monster Energy can,

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and it's like it's unbelievable. The underground like thing with

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this tour water, but it's true you can't at it, and.

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That I think Marvel did a lot of that for everybody,

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you know. And then you had the phone CODs come out,

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you know, yeah, and then you know you've got magic,

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the gathering, the card game, and they bring out it's

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all about bring out fifty of something, yeah, and then

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bring out three things that are limited. Yes, and bear

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in mind those I work in like a war games industry,

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Like you control what's limited, right, So they already control that.

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So they can sell one hundred thousand of this thing, yeah,

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but they know that there's probably only ten of this thing,

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and so that makes everything else then well people will

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want to collect to then collect these only ten. It's

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a whole thing, right, they control it and they know it, right.

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Oh yeah, And that's a big part of like how

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when like you know, in the last fifteen years, I've

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seen the shift and it's like tour stuff as well.

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It's always been that way, but.

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You know, like it's just like it amazes me that

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Star Wars Finalia now it's more popular than when I

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was a kid and I went to the original Star

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Wars movie in the movie theater when it first came out.

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Yeah, and those toys you had that you just threw

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in the sandbox at the time, Now you look even

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like damaged ones, or like ones that have been played with.

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You know, stuff that I got rid of. I wouldn't

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even be doing this interview right now. I'd be retiring.

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I used to have the kiss trading cards.

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I bet a lot.

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Now could you imagine? So yeah, could you imagine? You know,

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that's the first album I ever owned in my life

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that I didn't steal from my brother that I actually owned. No. Ready,

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I lived in Jersey at the and we went. I

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went with my brother's girlfriend to the Jersey shore to

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the boardwalk. Okay, we have a place called Seaside Heights,

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a few of them where when you go to the beach,

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there's a boardwalk and there's all it's like a carnival

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at the board at the beach. So there was this

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carnie game where you could win a record album. And

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I didn't have any albums. The only music I knew

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from was I used to rifle through my eleven my

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brother that was eleven years older his record collection. So

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I actually got, you know, into music that kids my

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age weren't into you know. And and it's funny. I

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just interviewed John Lodge from the Moody Blues and that

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first thing I said to him, and he just had

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a show that I went to. First thing I said

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to him is the reason I know you guys is

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because I stole my brother's album when I was a

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little kid, and listening to you guys, he goes, Yeah,

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our whole band is based on that. Like, thank god

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they all had older brothers, because all our fans heard

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our music from their older brother. Yeah, you know. And

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so I'm looking and there's this Really I won the

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Carny game, and so I had my pick of any

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album up there. Okay, I'm big into album art, Okay,

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because it's the generation I grow up in, Like you

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brought an album based on what it looked like, because

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you had no idea what it sounded like. You couldn't

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hear the music first unless you heard a song on

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the radio. And most of the music I listened to

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you wouldn't hear on the radio like today, you know,

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like Slayer didn't play on the radio, Metallica didn't play

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on the radio. If they played on the radio, they

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were posers and we didn't want to listen to them anymore,

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you know. So I saw this album up there, I'm like,

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oh my god, those dudes look so cool. I must

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have been, like I don't know, in first grade. And

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it was the original Kiss album.

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Like some yeah, yeah, when Ice Freely was really also

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like the first three albums, Ice was really on.

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It, you know. Oh yeah. We considered him one of

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the best guitars ever at that point in time. And

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Peter kres I started playing drums because of Peter Cris Yeah.

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Yeah. Look, for your generation, Kiss were.

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And I was from that area, you know, the New

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York band. They were a New York band, so like

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that was a huge thing while I was a kid

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and I was a Kiss fanatic, and I believe that's

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what led me to being a total frickin' metal head.

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Believe is that that our generation there was a progression

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because you didn't have bands like yours. You didn't even

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have Like I remember, being a preteen almost teen, an

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Iron Maiden was considered like the heaviest, fastest thing there was,

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so imagine that. You know. It's like me and my bros. Today, Well,

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we'll go ride in a car Craig some old school

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music and I'd probably like, man, I could have sworn

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that was faster when we were young. Yeah, you know,

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but there were levels. So I went from like I

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was a Kiss fanatic, I became a Beatles fanatic, I

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was a Zeppelin fanatic, and then Sabbath fanatic.

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And then Black Sabbath on the hand, Yeah, there it is.

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And then I found Slayer. Yeah, and that was all over.

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Man, I got stories about well, like Black Sabbath to

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me is I joke with people and I say, look,

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you know, I've seen Black Sabbath four times and I'm like,

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you know that has affected me. Okay, Like I don't

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how people talk about, like, you know, they have a

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personal relationship with like religion. I'm like, I have a

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personal relationship with Black Sabbath. And two, very not to

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bore everyone, the two very pivotal moments in my life

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when I was sixteen. For people out there by the way,

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early two thousands, like two thousands, two thousand and six

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was the last time that you had Kerrang and MTV

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and last did the generation you had Darkness just came out,

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you had Slash, just the last breath of the music

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industry anyway, won't bory you all about that? Uh, And

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a couple of things and obviously, and what happened is

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in two thousand and four, Yeah, I would have been

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I would have been fourteen or fifteen, started growing my hair.

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I grew up in a household of folk rock and

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like States Quo and Queen right, so we had rock.

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Everything we listened to was was rock and was guitars

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but not heavy. You had the Osbourne's on TV. I

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didn't know Ozzie Osborne and Black Sabbath for the same thing.

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I know this sounds silly for kids now, but the

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internet didn't have Wikipedia, right, you know. I started my

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dad got me like an electric guitar when I was sixteen,

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and I played a bit of acoustic for a year

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before and like his old guitar whirs. And I learned

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everything in guitar magazines, which is usually when I quote quote,

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it's from these like Guitar World magazines from twenty years ago,

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fifteen years ago. So two things happened. You had the

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ten year anniversary of grunge music come out, and it

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was huge, like all of like Alison, Chains, Soundgarden, obviously, Nirvana,

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all had these big DVD box sets and stuff like

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all remastered, and they played it everywhere and I got

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into that. All of a sudden, the hair grows. My

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hair was actually a lot longer recently, but it was

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getting so scraggly. I had to trim it. By the way,

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my hair's usually down here, but it was getting rid.

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Of I know that feeling. I've been there.

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Yeah, this is the first haircut in six maybe ten years,

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So apologies the short hair, but it's grown back anyway.

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And my beard was really big as well, but I

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thought unsorted the teeth yet, but typical British man anyway.

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So mister brunge, I'm sort of picking up guitar and

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you learn like dive and it's like it's really fun

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and it's really cool to not learn gus up. A

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couple of things happen. I go over my mate's house, right,

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And this is back when you used to like knock

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on there. You didn't even like ring that didn't have

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a mobile. You would just turn up, like at school

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or college. You would say I'll be over at Friday,

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and then you just turned up. Right. Mom's like he's upstairs.

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I walk upstairs as I'm walking up, I'm hearing it.

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I get to the top and his uncle had given

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him a vinyl player and all the first six Sabbath

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outs you know, in Sabbath we trust. And I stood

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in the doorway. Yeah, and I must have stood there

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for like, you know, six seven. Well, however long Sabbath,

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bloody Sabbath is I'd heard paranoid, you know, because obviously

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you hear like all these scuzzes and you're like, you know,

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one from Metallica. So you start, you know, these bands,

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I'm not. And I started knowing that I wanted to

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get into frash. I just didn't know it yet. And

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then you know, I go over here. We get like,

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I mean, this is back when like four beers and

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two beers were shared was enough for you to drink, right.

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So we sit there all night watching all the was

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it a Sultan Precinct thirteen? All the John Carton's and stuff.

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I've actually got where is he? I got Kurt Russell

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from the thing Wow as well. So we did all

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of that and we watched like Children of the Corn

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and you had all the old like earlier. He was

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very early eighties. But we just sat there and listened

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to vinyl and I was sixteen, sixteen, seventeen, so that's like,

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that's the first like movement in my life. I'm like, okay,

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Black Sabbath, and then I learned that He's like, oh,

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by the way, like you know, Black Sabbath and Ozzy

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Osborne are the same thing, and you know on korng

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you couldn't not hear crazy track. Then you go out

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and you buy like the Tribune album with Randy Rhodes off.

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So I saw Randy Rhoads live, by the way, you

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saw Randy Roads yeah live, yeah, yeah, yeah. New Year's Eve.

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I saw Randy Rhoades live. Wow.

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That had blown my mind. So then you're like hearing

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obviously I'm used to hearing the Sabbath, you know, own,

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and then you hear the Randy Rhodes version, and I

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was like, oh right, bear in mind. I'm still listening

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00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:35.319
to grunge music because of this ten year anniversary thing,

445
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.759
and anyone my age would probably get it. But I

446
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:43.440
started gravitating more to Sound Garden and especially Alison chains Is,

447
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:47.240
Like they've got the solos, and I'm learning guitar. I'm sixteen,

448
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.960
I've got my first I'm learning that there's this. So

449
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:51.960
I'll tell you a very pivotal moment in my life,

450
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.200
not to bore everyone. I started realizing that I wanted

451
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.400
faster music, and hearing Paranoid by Randy Roads sped up

452
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.200
was like, Okay, I'm loving Paranoid, but I prefer the

453
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.720
Randy Rhodes version. And then he's doing all this crazy

454
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:10.440
stuff and I'm like, okay, so I I buy a

455
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.279
Guitar World. There's a very very good story. I buy

456
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:17.079
a Guitar World magazine. The first one I ever bought

457
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.440
was a double one. Some people in here will remember it,

458
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.680
and it had Randy Rhodes on, which is probably where

459
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.240
I got the Randy Rhods thing from. And it uh

460
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.559
and then about three or four episodes late magazines. Later months,

461
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.000
I got a magazine and it had you know, the

462
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.799
CD that comes with it, and the CD is the

463
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.799
people from the magazine playing it, so it's not the

464
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:42.240
band and there's no singing, and there's and they do

465
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.880
like four bands and they and one of the songs

466
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:50.359
is Hangar eighteen my megadeath Ah. Now I didn't I'd

467
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.759
only heard of the Megadeth. I knew who Slayer, Metallica

468
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.559
were didn't know who Anthraks were. Megadeth had come up

469
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.279
in conversation, but I knew nothing about them. And there's

470
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.880
this tiny little picture and it's David's day and he's

471
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.640
got a high. I literally can see this picture in

472
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.440
my head. He's got Harley Davison or bike. Again, there's

473
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:10.359
probably someone watching this will be like, oh I know

474
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.759
that that magaz anyway, and it's all tabbed out for

475
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.119
you to learn, and I'm like, wow, okay. So I

476
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.680
put the CD on and you know, as we know,

477
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.160
Hangar eighteen, it's just like and then it does these

478
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.720
two little solos. There's no singing, it's and it's obviously

479
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.599
the guys from the Guitar magazine they've caught it, and

480
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.319
it ends. So I played this CD too. It didn't work.

481
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.279
And then I remember my parents were like, here's ten pounds.

482
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.720
You can go to your you know, South End on Sea,

483
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.039
which is we've got the longest pleasure here in the UK,

484
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.599
or whatever burns down every fifteen years. You can look

485
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.400
into it. Anyway. I run in the store and I say,

486
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.720
and I'm running around, I bump into one of the employees,

487
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.960
HMV and he goes whoa dude, you all right? And

488
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.079
I go I need Megadeath and I've got this ten

489
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.640
pound note and I'm like mega Death and he says, oh,

490
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.519
you want the metal section. He text me over there

491
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.559
and he says, oh, the there's a two for ten

492
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:11.640
pounds special. So I rite and I find and the

493
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.160
only reason I knew Hangar eighted you know, you know,

494
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.359
it was a tiny picture and it had the and

495
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.599
then I'm like, got the CD and you see Rick,

496
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:24.039
you know, Rick vic Rattlehead Sorry, and he's got like

497
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.559
the Alien and I'm like wow. And then I'm like, oh,

498
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.359
I better pick up another. And they didn't have many,

499
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.079
and then it had a so far, so good, so

500
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.240
what where he's like patrolling the moon with all the

501
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.279
you know, grenades and stuff. I go home. I have

502
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.880
one of them old silver CD. Oh god, we're talking

503
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.119
about twenty years ago now. The CDs are the two

504
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.240
speakers of the little lift. Everyone had one with the

505
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.799
radio on the back that your mum had. I'd walk

506
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.680
into the kitchen, my mom's like trying to cook. I'm like,

507
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.920
right out, I'd put the CD in. I think Hangar

508
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.000
eighteen is the second song on the album, and it plays,

509
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.240
and obviously he doesn't really start singing for about a minute.

510
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.200
Yeah yeah, and then I hear his voice I've never

511
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.559
heard papers and like, okay, a bit weird. And he's

512
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.519
going like we welcome to and I'm like, oh, it's

513
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:13.039
the Aliens. Like this is even better. You know, I

514
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:14.880
kind of got that from the Hangar eighteen thing, but

515
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.480
you know, it does the two little Marty Friedman solos. Yeah,

516
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.839
and then as we know, there's then another five minutes

517
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:31.920
of craziness. And I stood in silence, right, and I'd

518
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.440
never heard you got to remember, like I had that

519
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.960
grunge music like Navan, maybe a solo from Alison Chains

520
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:41.920
or maybe a bit of Randy Rhoades, but I'd never

521
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.799
heard someone use like, you know, in the Middle Eastern

522
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.400
solos the harmonic minor for most of us to play

523
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:55.319
guitar and stuff, and I I generally I realized at

524
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.880
that phase it was like, at that point in my life,

525
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.279
it could have been a phase yeah of you know,

526
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.920
you're getting a rock and then you don't. And I went,

527
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.400
I don't know what this is. And I'm pointing at

528
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.559
the the you know, to make the music go back on,

529
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.839
must have played that song fifty times before I heard

530
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.839
Holy Wars, and then the rest of the app wanted

531
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.440
to get lou Kreshier and stuff. So I'm like, what

532
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:22.599
is this. It's like finding fire for the first time.

533
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:26.720
I've always wanted to tell the story to people, and

534
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:28.960
I realized from that day on, I'm going to grow

535
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.359
my hair, play guitar more. And I went and got lessons.

536
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.119
And I'm not a very good guitar player, by the way,

537
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.319
so please do not see that. And it completely changed

538
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.440
my life. I Black Sabbath changed my life.

539
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.480
I'm going to blow your mind now with three things.

540
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:50.640
One is Blizzard of Ours. I had it on eight

541
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:51.519
track tape.

542
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.039
That was amazing.

543
00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.240
Okay, wait for it, mister Crowley cut off between the

544
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.759
second and third track. And if you ever listened to

545
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.359
eight tracks, basically they would fade out at the track

546
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:11.680
and fade back in. Yeah, and it was never like

547
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.920
the song never ended at the track, Okay, it basically

548
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.960
always it was in the middle of a track. A

549
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.240
track would happen in the middle of a song, and

550
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.599
then you used to have to pick a match book,

551
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.440
you know when they used to give out match books

552
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.559
at like seven eleven. Stuff. And put it underneath the

553
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.319
eight track to get it to play at the right speed,

554
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.839
because what would happen is if you just left it

555
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.640
alone a lot of times, it would like no, it

556
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:47.400
would be slow. Really yeah, yeah, so you would have

557
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:53.279
to like stabilize the eight track. Okay. Second thing is

558
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:58.599
I used to hang out with Dave when he was

559
00:32:58.640 --> 00:32:59.440
in Metallica.

560
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.000
Wow, okay, oh god, you're like going way back. Yeah.

561
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.400
He is one of my favorite guitars ever. And now

562
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.480
going back to his singing, I have inside information about

563
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:17.799
his singing. Okay, so when he got kicked out of Alcoholica,

564
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.400
imagine this. Okay, we used to call Metallica Alcoholica. How

565
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.960
much of an alcoholic are you when you get kicked

566
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.400
out of Alcoholica for alcohol which is what happened. He

567
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.720
got kicked out because he was too much of a drunk,

568
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.440
you know, and they were all serious drunks. So if

569
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.440
you're too much of a drunk for Alcoholica, there's a problem.

570
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:38.000
Yeah.

571
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.599
So one of my great friends is Dan Spitz, former

572
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.319
guitarison founder of Anthras.

573
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:48.599
Yeah.

574
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.279
Well, he's always been a watchmaker. He's like one of

575
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.519
the most well known matchmakers in the world. So he

576
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:02.319
told me one day a few years ago, he was like, yeah,

577
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.799
Dave didn't want to sing, you know, he was forced

578
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.360
to do Magadath and he confired, was like, I don't

579
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.480
know how to sing. So he came up with this

580
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:19.199
style of talking and yeah, in their conversation it was basically,

581
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.800
we'll just talk. It gives me my green headache, you

582
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:28.880
know exactly. So that's basically that's how Dave learned to sing,

583
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.679
was just basically talking the lyrics.

584
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:37.320
I had to step up when we put our band together.

585
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.239
I'm sorry to interrupt, No, it's good. And I was

586
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.519
in another band and then you know, that was like

587
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.639
a seventies rock band and kind of stuff, and then

588
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.000
I wanted to put my own band. I love masterd On.

589
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.039
By the way, we're like the Wish version of Masterdon.

590
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.960
So if you can't afford Mastered On, just just hire us, right,

591
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:02.320
Like why, I've got a couple of tattoos of early

592
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.119
Mastered On work.

593
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:04.960
Not the best, but anyway nice.

594
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:10.280
And you know, I really I personally and our band's

595
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.480
working more to I really like the fact that you know,

596
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:16.320
the drummers the main singer now and at any point,

597
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.719
what I love about Masterdon is that a. They are

598
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.400
four very different people. I mean, Brent Hines is a

599
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.039
massive influence. The whole banjo thing. I've picked up the

600
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.880
banjo because of it, because he just as an individually

601
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:34.440
it shouldn't work. And I remember I had to start

602
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.800
singing to go back to the Megadeth thing. And originally

603
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.440
the idea was that because I prefer playing guitar and

604
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.960
I like beer, was like, we'll get a bass player

605
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:49.239
come in thin Lizzy Mastodon thing. Originally that he was

606
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.559
more of the singer, the master on basis and yeah,

607
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.199
I'll do that. And then right like you know, and

608
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.119
I just thought that would work because, you know, especially

609
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.800
when you want to get more comp Katie to a

610
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.880
degree that even though those bass players are playing very

611
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.440
complicated music and singing, which you know, I just thought.

612
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.800
And then it didn't work and we couldn't get somebody,

613
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.000
and so I remember sort of thinking, well, I also

614
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.800
love Chris Holmes from WASP. I've met him a few times.

615
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.320
Used to hang out with him at the mall. I

616
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.159
have to say, great friend.

617
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.119
He is one of the nicest guys.

618
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:28.719
Oh he's a great guy. He had his own issues

619
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.800
and he got screwed over to, but he.

620
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.920
Put his own band together, and I was like, you

621
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:38.039
know what, I'm tired of playing second fiddle and don't

622
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.639
you know, and I've got this idea of what i

623
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.199
want to do lyrically and no offense, you know. And

624
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.320
I'll say this now, I hate singing. I'm a terrible singer.

625
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.360
I'm somewhere between black and Laura's motor Head and a

626
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.320
breeze of block. I'm not a good singer. But I

627
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.440
realized that I wanted to sing about Cyclops, like the

628
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.280
old you know, the old Sinbad movies, all the Ray

629
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:03.920
Ray Harry Howsen, And I was like, I want to

630
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:05.920
sing about that, and I want to sing like We've

631
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.519
got a song called Cyclops and it's all about sorry

632
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.679
a sabertooth and you know, I did the Iron Maiden thing,

633
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.079
like the first part of the songs from the point

634
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.920
of view of the saber tooth and the next point

635
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.199
of views from like the cavemen and the chorus kind

636
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.679
of you know, very I was only watching it last night,

637
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.119
the making of the number of the Beast, and you know,

638
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.199
it's all that kind of stuff. And then I went

639
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.480
to obviously did the Jaws song, you know, the Circle

640
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.639
by Shark Song, and I realized that if I brought

641
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.760
a singer in, I'd have to again, I wouldn't have

642
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.280
that control. Yeah, and I've said, well, okay, I'm not

643
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:42.800
the best singer. But also like again, I didn't want

644
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.800
to be a five piece, you know, having played in

645
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.559
another band, which you know was a really good band.

646
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:51.320
By the way, it was always about being logistically as

647
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.519
simple as possible, being able to you know, I mean

648
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:56.119
my band has done it. In the band I was

649
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.760
in before, which is where I learned it from, was

650
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.199
always about you could turn up with bare minimum gear.

651
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:04.920
They'd say do you need a sound check or you

652
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.199
don't have time, You'd plug in, you'd play and you would.

653
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.199
And that's one thing I think we got us to

654
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.519
Bloodstock was that we can. And it's not about they,

655
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.000
but a lot of metal bands are very complicated with

656
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.599
their equipment and being able to just sometimes turn up

657
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.679
with like a guitar. I mean, I've had pedal boards die,

658
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.840
so I've just sometimes gone guitar straight into the amp

659
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.960
right like victory ants and you into a cab and

660
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.119
then still be able to perform. Some people are like, no,

661
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.320
I couldn't do that, and I'm like, I've learned that

662
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.719
from paying pubs, paying basically toilets.

663
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.760
That's why I always loved about thrash because I'm a

664
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.480
toall thrash metal head is. Basically they could just show

665
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.960
up and play it. There was nothing fancy. It was

666
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.039
just play fast and heavy.

667
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.880
And I think the punk element that's what they took

668
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:00.760
from it, right. Yeah, you like classic music, classical rock.

669
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.480
We like punk. So we we obviously want to craft

670
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.119
very well good songs and we want solos, but we

671
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.280
we'd obviously don't want like a seven eight minute yes solo,

672
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:14.079
you know, we want to go up there and have

673
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.239
shorts a well. I mean I've seen am fras like

674
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.440
five times and they've always delivered.

675
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:23.920
You know, like you know, like I saw an Frax

676
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.920
with the original singer. Wow, oh god, Neil Fallon. Wow,

677
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:31.960
Neil Fallon.

678
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:33.920
You've been on the scene, haven't you.

679
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.840
I went to Slayers first show ever. I went to

680
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.079
Metallica's first show ever. That's where I met Dave. Okay,

681
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.920
he came out after the gig because back in LA

682
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.599
in those days, it's what happened. The band would come out,

683
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.920
you'd hang out with them and it was a whole

684
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.079
scene and he came out to me, I wish I

685
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.599
had this today. I've told this in multiple interviews. When

686
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.280
it comes up. He handed me his business card. Nice

687
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.800
and it's said Metallica power Metal. There was no such

688
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.920
thing as thrash yet, Yeah, Dave must stand. Could you

689
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:07.320
imagine if I had that card today?

690
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.360
I got I got something here, I'll send you one.

691
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.880
We are this is our business card.

692
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:15.840
Oh, I love it. I love it.

693
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:19.760
And uh, you know ic DC did this right where

694
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.840
they play money and I got a little funny story

695
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.920
about our business cards. So a guitar player, sorry to interrupt,

696
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.559
by the way, I was like, go for it. A

697
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.599
guitar player was we were coming back from a show

698
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.880
three hours drives. One of they stopped off in another

699
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.519
car and he he had a bunch of them business

700
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.000
cards in your pocket. You know, you meet people, you say, hey,

701
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.719
it's a business card. And and the thing is that

702
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.440
if you give someone a business card, they'll just fright away.

703
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.480
Yeah right, because we don't want I don't want to

704
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.199
be sold anything in card. For you give something that

705
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.360
looks like money. And again, if you're an American band,

706
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.480
make it look like a pound. By the way, I

707
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:03.960
would not go I would not go through customs with

708
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.239
this because they would not enjoy that, right, trying to

709
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.880
explain that this isn't real money, this is this is

710
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.519
a busy because it's got like an email and everything.

711
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:17.440
Anyway, Oh well, people in the States that networking means

712
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:20.880
business people. They will you know, like we have these

713
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:26.400
cocktail mixers for business meetings and people will have those

714
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.320
kind of cards. Yeah, put them on the bar and

715
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.320
everybody picks them up here.

716
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:34.400
People don't want them.

717
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.280
Oh, people think it's money. Yeah, yes, we're capitalists. We're

718
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.440
gonna see money on the bar. We're gonna go pick

719
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:41.760
it up.

720
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:43.719
And you know what, like my mate dropped like he

721
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.239
went he went to reach it was like some oil

722
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.360
station at petrol station, and he must have and he

723
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.800
dropped a few on the floor, right, And he probably

724
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:54.800
looked on the floor and didn't even or he didn't know,

725
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:01.559
didn't matter. The bass player looks behind right as they're

726
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.440
leaving the shop and sees a guy see it on

727
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:08.079
the floor watching him leave, and just puts in his pocket. Right,

728
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.320
So I'm like, well that that that means it works.

729
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.599
He's probably gonna try and use that and then realize like, oh,

730
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:18.519
he's gonna like can you imagine trying the papers of

731
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.800
it and being done for everything, like frauding money.

732
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.840
But the point is, the funny thing is if you

733
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.639
were an American and came over there and did that,

734
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.840
you probably would think it's real money, because most Americans,

735
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.159
like they see all this other money and it all

736
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:33.559
looks like.

737
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.800
Behind it to be you can't really see on the camera.

738
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.119
But he basically designed this so unless you really look

739
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.159
at it, like really read it at a glance, it's

740
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.599
based on the dog. Again, if I did this in pounds,

741
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.239
by the way, we would get in a heap trouble.

742
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.800
I got a story. I got a story for you.

743
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.119
I've told this one before. So Aban has like a

744
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.079
mascot we love. I made him. So we've got like

745
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:03.440
a wizard mascot, which is like a Halloween mask with

746
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.159
a cape, and like we throw the sharks in the

747
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.320
crowd and we throw money in the crowd, and you know,

748
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.440
everyone shoves them down the top and pants and whatever.

749
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:16.960
So this just happened to me and the and the

750
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.000
Basebo who was the drummer at the time. He moved

751
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.679
on to base We got a we got a duffel

752
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.519
bag of about like a thousand of these dollar bills

753
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:31.000
that aren't real. We got like a cyclops Halloween mask,

754
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.440
an Ironmonger, which is our mascot. He's got like a beard.

755
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.400
It's the whole Iron Maiden ripoff thing. And then we

756
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.719
had I'd bought a creature from the Black Lagoon mask.

757
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.639
Plus we've got like you know, all the other like

758
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.639
you know, like bits of rope to keep all the

759
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.519
stuff up for the So we're figuring that if we

760
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.239
get pulled over by the police, yeah, and they say, oh,

761
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.039
by the way, before we open your car up, is

762
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.639
there anything you need to like tell us is that, Yeah,

763
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.239
we have a thousand dollars in fake money, free Halloween

764
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:11.239
mast gloves and some rope. Oh but it's okay, we're

765
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:11.880
in a band.

766
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.800
It's okay, we're in a beard that we're in a band.

767
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.320
Right, you know, and we're not looking like the most

768
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.800
savory of characters, right. So we're thinking, like, if we

769
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.960
get pulled over, like, no policeman's going to even they're

770
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.239
going to take so you're too crazy that it's true

771
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.880
or that that's made up, we're taking you in. You know,

772
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.519
you know, into the big time. So you know, this

773
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.880
is the kind of crazy stuff you don't think of obviously.

774
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.400
You just think it's a bunch of fake money, and

775
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.800
then you get pulled over because you've got a bunch

776
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:42.599
of fake money. You know.

777
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.480
I love it, and but it's so funny. Americans would

778
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:52.519
probably think it's real. That's other money around the world,

779
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.400
and it looks like fake money to us.

780
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.559
Yeah, but but that is designed obviously, like over here,

781
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.360
we wouldn't do that with like pounds. We had to

782
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.159
choose something because originally we joked about it being pounds,

783
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.119
and we were like, no, no, no, we could really

784
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.840
get in trouble, really get in trouble, right, because then

785
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:10.679
someone's going to try and use it, and then it's

786
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:11.719
going to come back to us.

787
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:12.599
Yeah.

788
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.480
You know, if you've tried to make something which looks

789
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.440
like legal tender in your country, you're going to get

790
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:21.679
in trouble. So we chose dollars, right because we thought

791
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.239
that was the safest. But we realized if we ever

792
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:25.679
get the chance to puy out in the States, it

793
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.320
will have to be some Mickey Mouse, Disney money or something.

794
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.239
I don't think it would be as a big deal

795
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.079
here because we do that stuff all the time. We

796
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.719
have Actually, you can get at the Magic Store a

797
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.960
thing that sticks to your dower bills and people go

798
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.159
like in the crowds festival or whatever and put it

799
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.960
on the ground. It's attached to a string. Ah yeah,

800
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:45.599
and then you put up yeah, and then you push

801
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:46.119
the button.

802
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.079
Yeah. Yeah, I've seen that done at festivals.

803
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:49.599
You know.

804
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.599
You know at festivals, they they do a thing a

805
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.239
reward scheme. I went to download back many years ago,

806
00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.800
and they reward you for picking up all the cups.

807
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.239
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I've seen that because I do

808
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:03.159
download everything.

809
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.480
And there was a guy this was the last day,

810
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.400
everyone's really drunk where he his friend would put the

811
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:13.039
wire down his trowsers his pants, and then his other

812
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.800
friend would put like grass over the wire and then

813
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:18.679
you you know, we're talking like a good like you know,

814
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.480
you know, five foot away or six foot away, and

815
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.440
they would watch people try to pick up there and

816
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.920
then he would yank it. You know. I mean I

817
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.119
was probably like twenty two at the time, but yeah,

818
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.519
that's what kind of stuff happens, right, you know. He's

819
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.840
like this guy's got the big stack of him so

820
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.320
he just kind of falls over.

821
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.119
Yeah, pretty love it. I love it. Well, you guys

822
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.480
are going to kill it that Bloodstock. I'm so bummed.

823
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:47.239
I'm not going to be there, but anyway, we'll see

824
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:52.199
you somewhere else and at least me, but everybody else

825
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:56.920
that's listening and watching. If you are not at blood

826
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.199
and you don't have your ticket the Bloodstock yet, you

827
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.920
need to go to bood Stock. It's one of my

828
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.159
favorite festivals in the whole world to do. It's such

829
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.679
a great festival. A couple of years ago we were

830
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.519
talking about Machine d A couple of years ago they

831
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.280
had the surprise band. I love that they have the

832
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:15.800
surprise band. It was machine Head was the surprise band

833
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:21.119
in the tent. Machine had played in the tents. Can

834
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.480
you imagine machine had playing in a saw that she

835
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:31.519
was there? Oh, it was insane. Just such a family atmosphere,

836
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:36.559
meaning the whole metal family, great music, you know, a

837
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.639
real metal festival in the UK.

838
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:44.880
It'sroots, like you know, because of not at Home when

839
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.480
we got there through a competition and all the different

840
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:52.639
counties that make up England, they really support that, you know.

841
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.960
Well, that's what I love too, is that this Medal

842
00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:00.599
to the Masses. Thing is amazing because it it's bands

843
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.639
like you and other bands I've talked to playing a

844
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.280
festival and that just says a lot too. It's like

845
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.519
the people that run the festival they care about music,

846
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.960
they care about the local scene, and they care about

847
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.960
Sophie Lancaster.

848
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.880
So that yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know what, even

849
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:20.079
the bands that don't win. When we did as we

850
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:21.679
did a lot of radio and we said, look, you know,

851
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.199
you've got to look at it like this, and my

852
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.599
bear in mind, we did it the year before and

853
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.159
we we got close and they said, look, go away,

854
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:30.880
do this. So we went away and then played. You know,

855
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.119
we went from playing seven gigs to like thirty plus

856
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:34.840
gigs and then we did, like you, almost thirty gigs

857
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:36.800
this year. They said, you need to work on your

858
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.840
social media. I mean, if you're a band and you're

859
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.880
serious and you're driven, and you do melt to the

860
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.880
messes and you don't get through the first time, you

861
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.239
can either sulk, yeah, or you can take the advice

862
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:50.920
that they're giving you. And they're giving it as like

863
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.159
an honest thing, and we did everything. They said, go

864
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.920
and play everywhere, work on your stage act. Make sure.

865
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.119
I mean our social media was awful. By the time

866
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:00.519
we went back to do it. In it we had

867
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.800
great social media. We work with radio. We in the

868
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.920
in a year and they and not just that. If

869
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.239
you think about like Olympics, right, how many people compete

870
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.599
for those four spots for running. But out of those

871
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.960
twenty people, that doesn't mean the other sixteen are bad.

872
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.119
So even if you don't win, if you're if you like,

873
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.239
you have to say to yourself, but why I'm competing.

874
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:27.719
I'm still getting offers and I'm still being in that promotion.

875
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.800
And if you want it, you'll come back the next

876
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.280
year and then you'll go right, we're going to hit

877
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.119
the social media half. We've gone away and written some

878
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.519
more songs that we think would be better for our

879
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:43.079
airing crowd because every area is different and the bands

880
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.320
that get through usually are the bands that have played

881
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:50.920
it the first time, watched and listen to what's going on.

882
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:53.800
But at the same time, your bands still getting all

883
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.039
the social media you get to use Bloodstuf. Even if

884
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.639
you only get through the first time, you still are

885
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.760
a part of the blood st process.

886
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.800
That's so amazing. And you're the fourth band I've interviewed

887
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:10.599
so far this year this year that played metal to

888
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.199
the masses multiple times. One band they like, this was

889
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:18.079
their fourth time playing metal to the mass then, you know,

890
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.840
and I have so much respect for that because I'm

891
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.960
all about persistent until you succeed, you know, if you

892
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:27.920
it's what music's all about anyway. Like listen, there's no

893
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:32.360
overnight success. Overnight success takes like twenty years. Yeah, you

894
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.360
know Metallica play is slept on a floor for ten

895
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.559
years and eight baloney sandwiches with no bread, Like you

896
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.400
have to have that kind of dedication to make them music,

897
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:44.719
have to believe.

898
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.199
By the way, I have to tell the story. I

899
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.159
met Greenlung about four or five years ago in the

900
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.159
Woodland Rights. If you don't know Greenlung on I'm playing

901
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.679
twelve till twelve thirty and they're playing at twelve forty five.

902
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.519
I met them on their Woodland Rights tour in South

903
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.519
End Underworld, which is a very good venue in London,

904
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.519
and they were opening for Puppy if that means anything

905
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.880
to anyone, And they're like the second coming of Black Sabbath.

906
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.159
And I don't joke about Black Sabbath by the way,

907
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:20.679
So you have to check this band out. And they

908
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.039
obviously started off trying to be a stoner band, and

909
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.559
then they realized it's been done. And then they started

910
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.039
doing about English mythology and all the hammer horror movies,

911
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.559
which is what tattoos, right. You know, I've got like

912
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.519
creature from the buck. Anyway, I got to talk to them,

913
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.519
and I really must say this for people who are musicians,

914
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:42.800
and I've been drinking. Anyway, they let me speak to

915
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.920
him for forty five minutes, right, And the point being

916
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.199
is is that they said to me, they gave me

917
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:55.320
like the Ten Commandments. They said, you need to invest

918
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.000
in your artwork, right, and we all love Iron Maiden.

919
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.880
A lot of bands will spend about twenty pounds on

920
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:05.480
artwork on some just pay the artists what they're worth. Yeah, yeah,

921
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.599
the bands that we like their artwork is and actually

922
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.239
it's not that much. I mean, we've got some tremendous

923
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.960
artwork coming out. And he's from America, is like a

924
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.559
skater guy and he's done some stuff for Clutch as well. Actually,

925
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:22.800
and you know he's only one hundred and fifteen dollars, right, nothing.

926
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.280
They said, when you get your artwork, they're marketed. They

927
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.760
said some other stuff. One of the things that really

928
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.679
they said, you need to make your band every so

929
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.880
like you know, when it's International Women's Day, Green Lung

930
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.960
will say it's which is you know, it's Witches Day.

931
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.239
You have to make yourself relevant. And I don't want

932
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.039
to go back to the Kiss thing and ghost, but

933
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.800
a lot of people getting into music now probably was

934
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:48.679
the same when you were hearing like Metallica in that

935
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.840
you were like, I'm invested in these guys, right, Yeah,

936
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.119
I'm investing right, and I accept that they're not going

937
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.320
to always make every song the best piece of advice

938
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.119
they ever gave me. And I'm really going to big

939
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.320
up Greenlung because our band is now paying is planned

940
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.800
the same festival fifteen minutes before they go on, but

941
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.480
it not on the main stage. They said, well, you've

942
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.199
got to do ross is that You've got to make

943
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.519
sure if you're going to get a band of amigos together,

944
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.719
you guys have to believe in what you're doing. And

945
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:20.880
this is when they started the pagan thing, because their

946
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.519
first EP wasn't about that. And then they'd obviously right, okay,

947
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:26.840
we've got a voice er. I don't want to use

948
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:31.079
a unique selling point, but not a gimmick. But this

949
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.159
is what you are. And again, like you look at

950
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.440
Macedon's first album and it's like really weird now to

951
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:41.199
think they did that, but they obviously persevered. And again

952
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:46.360
all these bands and green Lung basically said you have

953
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.440
to be invested and that and you have to believe

954
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.960
in yourself and accept that it's not always going to connect,

955
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.159
but it will. If you go out there, you will

956
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.119
find your crowd. Yeah, and if that means you've got

957
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:03.079
to go play band. Drove on a Wednesday night. We

958
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.480
finished work at five point thirty, drove two and a

959
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:09.119
half hours north of London to a place called Northamptonshire,

960
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.360
which is about an hour out from Birmingham, which is

961
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.639
birthplace of Black Sabbath Bloodstocks. Next to it, which is

962
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.639
about three hours away. We played this biker bar to

963
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.920
no one. Everyone was lovely behind the bar, he loved

964
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.039
you know, everyone's friendly. Played to no one in this

965
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.960
pub and then drove two and a half hours back.

966
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.000
I got home at midnight and on Thursday I was

967
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.440
back at work at eight o'clock in the morning. There

968
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:35.159
it is, but that was what Greenlan had said to me,

969
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.559
you've got to do it. It's not about it's not

970
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.119
about then going home and going Oh but we played

971
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:45.840
to no one. Okay we didn't, but we still that's

972
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.519
still one more getting us closer to playing thirty gigs

973
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.920
a year, right, which I think is pretty good. My

974
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.920
minimum gigs a year is twelve times a year, that's

975
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.719
once a month. Any less than that, I won't be

976
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.480
in a band, right yeah. And I write, as you

977
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.480
get bigger as a band than.

978
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:04.719
You do, have to have that dedication because like I

979
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.719
played drums and then I played guitar. Uh, funny enough,

980
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.199
first song I ever learned on guitar was Heaven and Hell.

981
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.639
They wanted to teach me smoke on the Water like

982
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.800
they teach everybody. I'm like, no, I want. I want

983
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.599
to learn Heaven and Hell and But I you know,

984
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.199
as much as I have a huge passion for music,

985
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.079
I probably didn't have the enough of a passion to

986
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:33.760
play music because I never really got good. I sucked

987
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.519
at drums, I sucked at guitar. I sang thrash mellow

988
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.199
for a while, sucked at that too.

989
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.239
You know, and I'm sucking, dude, I'm not that good.

990
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:44.760
Yeah, it's all about practice too, Like Randy Rhodes practiced

991
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.880
eight hours every single day.

992
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.119
Is that true? That why I was on tour He

993
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.239
would go and find lessons and end up teaching them

994
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.719
instead of that's the story I heard, But then he

995
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.400
was but he was dedicated to his art.

996
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.840
Yeah, and look at my stay my Stain, Like, not

997
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:05.239
only is he a great guitarist, but he studied like

998
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.119
jazz guitar and stuff. That's why his music so different

999
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:10.480
and so complicated.

1000
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:12.960
For one of the things that we try to do

1001
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:16.079
with Danny's the other guitar player, and he's phenomenal, much

1002
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.119
better than I've known him since I was sixteen. Actually,

1003
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:19.760
he taught me how to play guitar.

1004
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:20.440
Nice.

1005
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:23.599
One of the things we try to do is say, okay,

1006
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.440
for the guitar players out there, by the way, we

1007
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.480
try to say, let's write a song without using power chords,

1008
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.599
but let's make it as heavy as possible, so you

1009
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:38.400
you really are outside your comfort zone, right, but it

1010
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:40.840
makes you approach, which is like if you look at

1011
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.840
a lot of like Megadeth, like Lucretia Hangar eighteen in

1012
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.480
My Darkest Hour, there's some stuff off the Peace self

1013
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:52.880
peace sales has got lots of jazz influence. The guitar

1014
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:53.639
player's name.

1015
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.480
And how about I'm killing there's my business. It's like

1016
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.000
so much jazz influence on that whole album.

1017
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.119
Power chord isn't that much if you look at tablature,

1018
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.719
you know, and we just said let's try and write.

1019
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.400
But then when you add a power chord in, it

1020
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:11.400
really hits right where a.

1021
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:12.880
Lot of it reinforces it.

1022
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.039
A lot of metal is just power power cord. I'm

1023
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:17.800
not having to go guys. I'm doing the same as

1024
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.199
everyone else. But you say, let's write a song with

1025
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.039
no power chords, and it's sound heavy, and you eventually

1026
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:27.320
do need to throw power chords in, but you then

1027
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.280
start doing like inverted power. I'm not a fiery person,

1028
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.199
so I apologize to anyone listening, but it makes you

1029
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:37.400
then write differently, and now I know I'm not a

1030
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:41.960
jazz fan. That is an influence from someone who listening

1031
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.400
to metal, who was influenced by jazz. And by the way,

1032
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.000
big Testament fan, Alex Alex Golnan, you had the singer

1033
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.960
on your just recently. Through my mind, I didn't I

1034
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.599
didn't realize how big a deal this radio show was

1035
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:03.199
and then Wayne said, oh, you know, he just he

1036
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:07.199
sent me a snapshot and I went, that's the singer

1037
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.920
from Testament, which you know, for some people doesn't mean anything,

1038
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.960
and I was like, yeah, it means a lot to me.

1039
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:16.519
I was like, oh, this is yeah, this radio is

1040
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:18.960
a podcast radio. We want to call it?

1041
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.199
That is that solve it.

1042
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:23.920
I was like, Oh, this is the real deal. This

1043
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:25.639
is just like a radio from around the.

1044
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:29.679
Corner right respect By the way, well, thanks a lot.

1045
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.840
I appreciate if you go through. I have like over

1046
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:36.320
three thousand music interviews. I have professional interviews too, but

1047
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:42.400
three thousand music I've done Almost everybody I've ever wanted

1048
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.800
to interview, I've interviewed.

1049
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.639
You know what, respect to you that you'll you'll do

1050
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:49.920
not only someone who's in a massively named band, but

1051
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.119
you're willing to put the time in speak to bands

1052
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.079
that are asked the way I am. Nobody's really you.

1053
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.400
Know that, And you know what, here's my philosophy on that,

1054
00:58:58.480 --> 00:58:59.840
because that's the why I am like I do all

1055
00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:03.079
the festivals and a lot of the other press people

1056
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:06.039
they love to cherry pick and then they end up

1057
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:10.199
with like one or two interviews, if that me Now

1058
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:12.239
in the States, it's different in the UK and Europe.

1059
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:16.920
In the States, they get the person running media sends

1060
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:21.039
you an Excel spreadsheet with every contact for every band

1061
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.599
playing at the festival. Yeah.

1062
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:23.039
Yeah.

1063
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.400
Most of the other media people pick all the famous

1064
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:31.679
people and that's who they'll email. I email everybody on

1065
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:35.400
the whole list as well. Right, I don't care who

1066
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.079
it is. I don cherry pick. And because of that,

1067
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.960
a couple of things happens. We're one, I'm respected by

1068
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:47.039
the festivals by doing that, you know. Secondly, there's a

1069
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.800
lot of interviews because I won't end up with two

1070
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.440
or three. I'll end up with between twenty and fifty.

1071
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:59.199
And second of all these other media people don't learn,

1072
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.679
don't know how the game should be played. Two things.

1073
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:08.079
One is those bands you don't want to interview, they

1074
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:11.920
could be the next Black Sabbath. You never know. Okay,

1075
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.320
and I have bands right now that I interviewed them

1076
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:18.760
from the beginning, and they're friends of mine now and

1077
01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:22.000
anytime I want an interview, I don't even ask. They'd

1078
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:23.920
come up to me to me, Hey, are we going

1079
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.480
to talk again? You know who'd I get real friendly

1080
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.480
with and every time he comes into Preston, he's like, hey,

1081
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.639
pipe man, he's the only one I'd ever interviewed my

1082
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:38.440
door Jelley Roll when he wasn't even famous yet that

1083
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:42.519
long ago. Wasn't that long ago. He wasn't even famous yet,

1084
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.840
nobody really knew who he was. And now look at him,

1085
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.400
he's like the biggest thing ever. You know, metal or not,

1086
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.920
it doesn't matter. He crosses every genre, which is what's

1087
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.000
so cool about you?

1088
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.119
Have you in interviewed Jerry James Nichols yet, No, he's

1089
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.679
more bluesy, but he's a really nice guy. He's a

1090
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:02.360
really cool guy.

1091
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.480
And I have to interviewed some bluesy people like Lark

1092
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.039
and Poe who's big now. I interviewed them when nobody

1093
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:11.920
heard of them. And you know, so the other media

1094
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.159
people that are acting like groupies or fangirling or fan

1095
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.239
going out, that's what they're missing right there. The other

1096
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:23.000
thing they're missing is when you're approaching record labels, pr people,

1097
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:27.079
publicists like now, I have a reputation, so they come

1098
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:32.760
to me. But basically you got to do them favors first,

1099
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.760
so you don't go to them and say, hey, I

1100
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.800
want to interview. Rob Zombie say, hey, who do you

1101
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:43.039
need me to interview? Who needs the promotion? That's the

1102
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.679
key my job. The way I look at is my

1103
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:51.440
job is to promote bands, and that means the younger

1104
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:57.960
bands needed a lot more like Slayer doesn't need promotion. Okay,

1105
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.840
So my job is to promote those younger bands so

1106
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.440
that they could get to that level. That's the way

1107
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:05.440
I look at my job.

1108
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.079
I no, I agree. We've got We've got a guy

1109
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:11.920
called Gary Bauers by the way, and he's the guy

1110
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.000
by the way in our local area. If you are

1111
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.039
a band planning on a Wednesday night and no one

1112
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.679
knows you are, he's the guy there, you know, get

1113
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:21.000
to you photos and videos.

1114
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:26.480
I think I know him. I think I'm good friends

1115
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:29.199
with them. Here's the one that does that magazine.

1116
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.280
Yeah yeah he did it. Oh cool on us?

1117
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.119
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, so I've I've done.

1118
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.400
He introduced me to Electric call Boy because I was

1119
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.760
doing Download one or Bloodstock one. You're one of the

1120
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.400
two's I think it, but I can't remember which one

1121
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.679
it was. And he's like, come on, come with me,

1122
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:50.599
We're going to go to a gig. And they weren't

1123
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.440
really hurd of over in the States yet.

1124
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.239
Yeahmember here either, yeah.

1125
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:57.400
Yeah, yeah, And he mentioned name. I'm like, oh, I

1126
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:59.199
don't know who they are, but I'll go I don't care.

1127
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.840
Was one of the best live sets I've ever freaking seen.

1128
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:04.800
I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. But

1129
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.639
he's the coolest dude man. Yeah, like and so down earth.

1130
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:09.840
Though.

1131
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:11.719
It's good to hear it from the artist's point of

1132
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:12.519
view too, like.

1133
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:15.960
You know, when you're when you're a band and you've

1134
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:19.119
got nothing, and you know, look, we've lost a lot

1135
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.199
of venues and a lot of promoters aren't promoting like

1136
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:23.840
it was six seven years ago. I mean I used

1137
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:25.280
to be able to ring up someone and say, oh,

1138
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:27.079
we can get you a gig, and a lot of

1139
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.559
those again because those promoters have got older and handed

1140
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:33.480
it off, and venues are struggling, like pubs and stuff.

1141
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.079
So having that person that's going to watch like you're

1142
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:38.800
a new band, but like you're like a young band,

1143
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:41.199
or even me, like if I travel like three hours

1144
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:43.559
up to nowhere, they don't know who I am, and

1145
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:48.559
that having those people like yourself who are will get

1146
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.880
you some photos in cameras say, look, and you've played

1147
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:52.159
to no one. You did you know? It's the le

1148
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.559
anything where you played to the blind guy and the

1149
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:56.360
only person that could see you was the dog. We've

1150
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.400
all done it. The guitar player from these Wicked Rivers,

1151
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:01.800
he will be the same. I'm good friends with Aaron

1152
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:03.480
if you know who they Wicked Rivers are there.

1153
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.559
But you have to do that.

1154
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:11.360
But it's those men and women that will take photos

1155
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.079
and say, by the way, and you've played to no one, right,

1156
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.000
it's cost you like sixty seventy quid in fuel. Yeah,

1157
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:21.079
and you but you do a good set and then

1158
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:23.639
you go home. In the next night or next morning,

1159
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.559
you wake up and on Facebook or Instagram you see

1160
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.320
the pictures of you playing and there's some maybe recordings

1161
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:33.119
of you playing. Yeah, and that gives your band that

1162
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.079
social little boost to say, hey, we played here, and

1163
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.760
then you you know, people go, oh, I didn't realize

1164
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:42.559
you drove three hours and then back. That's the people

1165
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:44.639
when you're a young band, that really helps.

1166
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:45.400
Yeah.

1167
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.639
Right, just going online and I'm saying you should go

1168
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:52.159
online and do all your stuff, but that those people

1169
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.199
are the real heroes for up and coming bands.

1170
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.519
Yeah, anyone for the record labels, the PR and the

1171
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.719
publicer too, because you got to help them out. So

1172
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:05.199
what has happened over the years is like I even

1173
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.639
give some of the publicists and record labels and PR

1174
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:10.519
people my link to schedule interviews, the same one that

1175
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.360
you use, and it's like they'll approach me. I'm like here,

1176
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.679
here's the link, or it's somebody I deal with. I'm

1177
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.880
like book whoever you want, like whenever you want, Like

1178
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:24.360
I don't even ask who the name of the bandit,

1179
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:28.159
I don't care. And it's those people because of what

1180
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:32.280
I do that they'll call me up or text me

1181
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:36.400
or email me and like, hey, would you like to

1182
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:41.239
interview Cheap Trick? Hey would you like to interview Rob Zombie?

1183
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.119
Because I did them the favor first. The problem these

1184
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.039
other media people have to learn is like you can't

1185
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:52.079
go for the freaking elephant, go for all the peanuts.

1186
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:54.639
You'll get the elephant with once you have all the penuts.

1187
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:56.960
Everyone in the industry it's not just bands. Everyone everyone

1188
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.599
thinks about bands. It's about people, just the photos, the

1189
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:04.599
music videos, the studios, Like you're all working your way

1190
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:07.559
up and you you know, we're doing our album at

1191
01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:09.840
the moment, and the guy who's doing it's really into

1192
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:11.280
our like he's like, dude, I love it. It's like,

1193
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:13.880
you know, you've got heavy metal. And then we the

1194
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.320
other week, even though I was recovering from a hernia,

1195
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.519
I went in and did all the acoustic guitar parts, right,

1196
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:20.639
and he was like, I can't remember last time I

1197
01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:25.000
did a band that did metal. But then it's that

1198
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:27.440
seventies influence of like, oh, but we're going to add

1199
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:29.719
some acoustic guitars and maybe put them under this bit,

1200
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.039
and you know, and he was like, man, I'm loving it.

1201
01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.119
But like he's in his own pool of people like

1202
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:37.280
you are in the media. Like you're all in your

1203
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:39.920
own little circles, right, And then you get into the

1204
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:43.239
next phase and as great as he's like, we're playing bloodstock,

1205
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:46.719
but then you're again a little fish in another big pond. Right,

1206
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.800
You're just always the little fish trying to be slightly bigger.

1207
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.360
You can maybe eat the other fish underneath for you,

1208
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.639
but there's always a bigger fish. There's always a bigger shark, right,

1209
01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.760
Like yeah, right, you know, so you know I get it,

1210
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:00.559
totally get it.

1211
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.760
We're all doing it together. We should all rise together.

1212
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:06.280
We should all help each other. And I think the

1213
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.039
whole world could learn from the metal community, because the

1214
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:15.880
whole world is jacked up right now, attacking each other, divided,

1215
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:20.239
And the only place I've seen in the past several

1216
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:24.920
years where people are united and nobody's an outsider is

1217
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:30.840
in the metal community. And that's because we all work

1218
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.679
together instead of working against each other.

1219
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:38.320
Like for me, again, I could sit there and tell

1220
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:42.800
you about, you know, I religiously studied in these guitar

1221
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.760
magazines about things that you know over time, I couldn't

1222
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.400
just like learn you know again, even like an Iron

1223
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.639
Maiden song, I'd have to be like Quest for Fire

1224
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:53.039
and then realize there's a book which they then did

1225
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:56.199
a film. And again for me, I'm not saying every

1226
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.000
heavy metal alternative person is like that, but for me,

1227
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:03.000
it wasn't just enough to I. You know, I'm dedicated

1228
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.079
and I love it, and it's almost like, you know,

1229
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.000
I was listening to you know, the Maiden making of

1230
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.679
documentary and then there's the Sabbath one, and I probably

1231
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:14.519
watched these things like fifty times. Right.

1232
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.760
Well, metal heads are totally like that too, like we're

1233
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.920
so passionate about it. When somebody says to me, I

1234
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.000
used to listen to metal, I'm like, then you weren't

1235
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.000
a metal head. Yeah, yeah, there is no use to it.

1236
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.279
You know, I'm not massively into school, so I get it.

1237
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:31.399
Like someone's into their football team and they you know,

1238
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:35.399
and again they'll they'll watch their football team do badly,

1239
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.640
do well. And I think if you're if you're passionate

1240
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:41.960
about a band. This again, this happened more in the

1241
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.359
early seventies. You know, Deep Purple could bring out an

1242
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:47.920
album like storm Rider wasn't about a storm Rider. Everything

1243
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:51.520
storm bring up. But it was okay because you know

1244
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:54.720
they'd say, well, okay, but Deep Purple's my band. I'll

1245
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.720
give even black. Sabbath brought some albums out of the

1246
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.520
time that I guess. I mean, there's been a I mean,

1247
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.960
I'm loving the Tony Martin stuff. And luckily he's had

1248
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.640
that recently. In the last six three months, he's had

1249
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.319
this huge everyone's come out and said, oh we love

1250
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.039
Tony Martin. Here shame it's happened to him so late

1251
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:15.199
in his great but there were the people that must

1252
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.359
have gone to that. Sabbage said, doesn't matter. Sabbath is

1253
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:21.359
my team. Yeah, I root for Sabbath. So if they

1254
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:23.560
bring out a bad album, well they're still going to

1255
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.119
go out and place heaven Hell and they're still going

1256
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.079
to go out and play paranoid. And I think although

1257
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:33.560
I'm not massively into sports, and again in England sometimes

1258
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:36.399
it can be fanatical. You could argue that some people

1259
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.840
might say the same about me. They're like, well, you know,

1260
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:40.920
you walk around, You've got this, tattoos and this, and

1261
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:43.279
you love this band so much you want to do that. Yeah,

1262
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:47.680
they're wearing a football t shirt. I think it's that,

1263
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.279
you know, and I can recite. I can tell people, well,

1264
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:53.399
in this year, Tony Iomi did this right. But I

1265
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:55.279
talked to someone down the pub and they're talking about

1266
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:57.880
their favorite team, and they can tell me in nineteen

1267
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:01.000
seventy eight when they weren't even born what that footballer

1268
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.279
was doing. And when you know whatever, it's like the

1269
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:08.000
batting score thing, you know, And we're not really that different.

1270
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:10.239
We just like different, you know, I like my music.

1271
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:15.039
It's just what your passion goes towards and it shows

1272
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.640
in your music. So but everybody's going to check you out.

1273
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.880
Not only have bloodstock, but in general tell everybody, how

1274
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:23.800
they can connect to you guys on socials on the web,

1275
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.760
how they can buy your merch how they can check

1276
01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:28.680
out and all that stuff.

1277
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.960
We're bringing out. The album is I've just got to

1278
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.920
do the vocal. So the album is coming out at

1279
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:34.600
the moment. We've got a couple of demos out if

1280
01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:37.279
you want to go listen to them. When you hear

1281
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:39.600
the album. It's coming out in vinyl, will be pre order.

1282
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.359
It's going to be amazing. It's again we're like mastered

1283
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:43.920
on from Wish, so if you like master it on,

1284
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:46.840
which is poor Man's version, we're going to be doing

1285
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.439
all the new We've got some new artwork. You're all

1286
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:52.079
gonna love it. When it comes out. It's all pre order.

1287
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.880
You can obviously listen to us and all the youtubes,

1288
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:58.279
and if you want to listen to us, go on

1289
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:02.920
YouTube because we've been playing so much live. Yeah that

1290
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.520
if you want to hear Circle by Sharks or Pieclops

1291
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:09.239
or saber Tooth, watch us on YouTube. I know that

1292
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.720
sounds silly. We've got a few demos that you can

1293
01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:14.960
listen too, great, but if you want to hear what

1294
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.600
we sound like, go listen to that, right give us

1295
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:22.039
a couple of months or get this album out, then

1296
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:25.039
you can really hear what we sound like, right, And

1297
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:27.159
that's a bit old school. Most people would bring all

1298
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:30.199
their music out on the internet. And then so we

1299
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.960
decided no, no, let's play these songs for like two years.

1300
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.039
So what you're hearing has been play I mean Circle

1301
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.880
by Sharks has probably been played seventy eighty times to people,

1302
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:45.239
maybe more. And then we're obviously rehearsed in all various

1303
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.880
so we're a live band and we're very proud of that.

1304
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:52.640
And I really feel if you go on YouTube and

1305
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:54.439
you watch us, you're going to get a better idea

1306
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.760
than the demos. Then just like take a little break

1307
01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.399
from us. Promise me that you guys come back, you

1308
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:03.520
men and women out there, come back end of the

1309
01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.439
year when the album drops, and then you'll go, Yes,

1310
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:10.720
you probably didn't hear that from many bands, but go

1311
01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:13.920
do that. Trust me, you won't be disappointed.

1312
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:17.000
I love it. I love that you're playing at loves

1313
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:22.520
at Bloodstock and love it. And you may have set

1314
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:28.000
a record of like probably my second or third longest

1315
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:28.960
interview ever.

1316
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.640
Wow, I can't talk though, that's my fault.

1317
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:35.079
We both can So that was problem. I had somebody.

1318
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.640
I have somebody in Germany that I was supposed to

1319
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:42.600
call after my interview with you, so she was expecting

1320
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.880
my call. I think like an hour and fifteen. My fault,

1321
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:50.039
No worry. I met her at Grass Pop.

1322
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:51.039
Oh okay.

1323
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:53.680
Yeah, it's kind of like the same thing with Wayne,

1324
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:56.760
because Wayne met Laurie at ship Rocked.

1325
01:12:57.760 --> 01:12:59.680
You know, so we listen for people.

1326
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.560
People. You must go to festivals. That's where you meet

1327
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:08.000
lots of friends, lots of people. You can meet your

1328
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:13.039
next future significant other whatever. But most importantly, if you

1329
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:17.800
go to Bloodstock, you can go see Reverend Son and

1330
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.199
you will be in for the show of your life.

1331
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:22.720
So thank you and thanks for being on the Adventures

1332
01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:23.319
of Pipe Man.

1333
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:25.399
No, thank you very much. I'd love to come back

1334
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:27.319
on the show after the album. I'd love to drop

1335
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:29.239
you the album maybe ahead of time when it's out

1336
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:30.319
so you can play it whatever.

1337
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.760
Absolutely, you can drop me all the MP threes. I'll

1338
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:34.720
put it in a rotation.

1339
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.199
A couple of dollars as well, right yeah.

1340
01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:41.800
Well yeah, it will cost me. I'm the one that

1341
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:44.680
asks to pay the royalties. You'll make like ten cents.

1342
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:47.600
Maybe I can get my teeth fixed.

1343
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.680
I know, right, and like nowadays it's like okay, I'll

1344
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:54.920
put you in the rotation and you'll make your two cents.

1345
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.039
I think it came up on our PayPal, you know,

1346
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:01.239
from Spotify, and it was like we made one pound

1347
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:02.319
sixty eight this year.

1348
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.640
It is so funny. I do get excited with some

1349
01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.159
of those. It's like such a little valvee of like,

1350
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:11.920
oh but it's cool that I made.

1351
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:16.960
That inflatable sharks. But that sixty eight there it.

1352
01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:20.079
Is that made it happen. Well, you guys kick ass

1353
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:23.119
at Bloodstock and very much. I will see you live

1354
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:24.720
sometimes soon.

1355
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:27.359
Yeah, yeah, and we'll we'll catch up in a couple

1356
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:28.039
of months if you want.

1357
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:32.640
When the album's out, absolutely let's do it. Everybody make

1358
01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:35.800
sure listen to them good Bloodstock if you if you're

1359
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.199
going go to their set. If not, check it out,

1360
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:42.239
get their album, check out their YouTube. You're gonna love it.

1361
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.119
Thanks for listening, and thank you again Ross for being here.

1362
01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.840
Thank you for having me really appreciate it. Thank you everybody.

1363
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:53.880
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of plate Man

1364
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.920
on w for CUI Radio.