PipemanRadio Interviews The Dwarves About Punk Rock Bowling XXIV

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So this is the pipe Man here on

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it about our next guest because I
got to be at their killer club show

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at Punk Rock Bowling and it was
It was a killer show. What a

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great venue too where they played.
So let's welcome to the show, Black

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from the Dwarves. How are you
a straight out of Vegas? Right?

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Yeah? That was a fun time
with FYP and the queers that we have

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to spend all weekend with the queers. It was great. We had some

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fun and Fyp always always legendary.
Yes, and that you know, I've

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been going to Vegas since I'm twelve
years old and I never even knew about

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that container park where you guys played. That was pretty cool, way great

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venue. Yeah, yeah, it
was a pretty neat place, that outdoor

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thing and they had that weird sculpture
out front that blew fire and stuff.

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Yeah, totally. I thought it
was pretty pretty cool. And it was

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nice and open too for a punk
gig, you know, like there was

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plenty of room to make a circle
pit and you know, and to not

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be all hot and sweaty as it
was in Vegas anyway. Right, But

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you guys, you guys killed it. I always like, my hat's always

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off to artists like you that have
been playing live shows forever, you know,

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and still bring it like you're like
fifteen years old. Yeah, I

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mean, there's just no other way
to do it, right, I Mean,

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when I'm out there and playing punk
rock, it's just let's do this,

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you know it. All the production
value goes out the window, all

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of the scruples go out the window, and it's just rock and roll.

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You know. We never had much
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it was always just rock and roll. Let's do this, and and still

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still the same way. So hopefully
you know that it will continue like that

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until we drop dead, you know, because I wanted to go out there

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and just be a tired old band, like nobody wants to see that,

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you know, so well, you
know it's funny too, like uh,

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like example, Waddie, he's still
killing it, but like I think he's

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had like two heart attacks on stage
and he still goes flow out. You

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know. Yeah, he's determined to
die up there. So it's right,

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that's that's how they exploited or going
out. I don't know. I I

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I would rather die with some people
around me than actually care about me,

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right, exactly bricks at a rock
show, you know, but I know,

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right, but you know it's funny. You're gonna laugh. Okay,

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So we were talking before the show
about you know, back in the eighties

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I was, I was a metal
head and a punk, but I love

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hair, so I can show up
to one of your shows already exploited,

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or to Subhumans or Discharge or GBH
or any of the other. I got

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to go to d R because they
started that whole crossover thing going on,

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so they're like they started growing their
hair out. I'm like, okay,

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I could go there and I even
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Yeah you had to, you know, you never knew when you were gonna

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get cheap shot at or something was
gonna happen, you know, right,

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but it was you're easier to get
laid if you had long hair. Always

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well, I think so that you
know my dad, he would say stuff

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about these girls I was hanging out
with. I'm like, yeah, why

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you think I'm into metal man exactly. But here's the thing. Now,

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at this stage, the metal head
women they look they look all worn,

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where the punk women still look hot. In fact, they probably look hotter

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now than they did then. So
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Like there is a place called Posers
on Melrose, Okay, famous place

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to get your spikes, but it
was a punk place. So I went

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with three of my punk friends to
this place and they were friends with the

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owner, so we feared it'd be
cool if I can go and get my

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spikes there. And we're there for
like two seconds and my friend walks over

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to me. He's like, uh, we have to leave now, and

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like I'm like, why I go
I'll tell you outside. We just have

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to leave right this second. And
so like the owners pulled them aside and

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said you better get him out of
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beat his ass. Yeah. The
old rock scene was a little more exclusionary

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for sure. Right. That's what's
cool today though. I think it's like

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we can all be one big,
happy family and all get together always.

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So I was stupid then anyway,
because we both the punks and the metal

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heads were getting the asses kicked by
the jocks. Why didn't we band together

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and kick their ass? Yeah?
Yeah, well I don't know. I

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never had too much problem. I
was always a pretty pretty big guy and

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and made it work. But you
never knew back then, like what was

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gonna jump off? You know,
no doubt, no doubt. But yeah,

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I mean but you guys at Punk
Rock Bowling, at that show,

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I mean, it might as well
have been the eighties, the kind of

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energy and the show you brought there, Like that's that's kind of what I

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miss. Even these young kids nowadays, they seem like they're tired already at

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twenty two. You know, we
have a young drummer, Snooppack, and

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we actually met him got to be
like thirteen, fourteen years ago at Punk

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Bowling. You know, he was
like twelve years old, singing along to

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every song I brought him up on
stage, he sang a bunch of songs

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and then years later he came in
on drums, you know, so that's

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cool we've got Yeah, he's got
a cool origin story from from Punk Rock

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Bowling and we've been known there for
a long time and making rock happen,

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So you know, I love it. What a great festival too, Like

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I do festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and I think

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Punk Rock Bowling is one of the
coolest festivals because it just like it invades

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downtown Las Vegas, and I think
I think when I was talking to Dick

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from the sub Humans, he's the
one that said, yeah, the punk

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rockers overtaking downtown Vegas is making it
look normal. The punks are more normal

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than what's normally there. And the
clod shows lots of fake tits and bad

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Hamburgers, you know exactly. I
like to go to Vegas when I'm getting

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paid for it. I have a
good time there, you know. But

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if I have to go there for
my amusements, it's usually a little rougher.

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Yeah. Well, if I go
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call it. It's like my bank
that I can only make deposits that I

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never withdraw, Like, thank god
I was busy at the festival because as

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I'm walking by the crap table and
it's calling my name, I'm like,

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no, I gotta go do interviews. But what I mean all those club

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shows, the festival, the bowling, like the whole thing. What a

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concept, because you know, you
play a lot of festivals. Some it's

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just like, hey, you know, you play and it's cool festival and

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all that, but this has this
like different flavor to it. Yeah,

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I know, and I sometimes I
raally play acoustic, but I'll do it

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at punk Bowling. And I've done
these long kind of marathon lounge shows and

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stuff, so I'll stretch out and
do stuff I don't normally do nice just

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because it's punk Bowling and you know, it's a good set up. You

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know, people are real diehard fans
and I love going out there, so

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I love it. So being a
musician this may years, having this band

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for this many years, what's the
secret sauce that keeps you going? What

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is it about you that loves doing
this every day? You know? I

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always just wanted to make a great
record and play a great show, you

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know, And I think along the
way, you get a little warped,

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and you know, you want to
make a living, and you want to

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get respected, and you want to
do some things that people doing other jobs,

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and you know, it's a very
elusive goal. So I think when

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you just get back to working on
what's important, which is making a great

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record, playing a great show,
you know, you can go on forever.

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You got to have the right people
around you and the right attitude.

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I think if you want it to
be like a career, or you want

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to get your management work in,
or you want to get this or that,

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then it's going to be a lot
more difficult and a lot more right

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for frustration. So the best thing
to do is to really bear down on

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what's important. You know, make
a great record, play great show.

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You know, if you can get
be satisfied by that, I think you're

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way ahead of the game. If
you can't be satisfied by that, you

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should really get into a different line
of work that's more where the rewards are

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more in line with the actual work
that you do. You know, you

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know, I say that all the
time. It's like, you know,

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this industry, if you're not having
fun, it's the wrong industry. Like,

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yeah, absolutely. A lot of
people are not having fun, and

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I don't understand them. I mean, I'd do it for the same reason

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I did it when I was sixteen. But it was hard to get there.

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You got to go, you got
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figure it out, and it's not
easy. But at a certain point you

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realize, wow, you know,
I got into this because I like making

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a good record, playing a good
show, or listening to a good record

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and going to see a good show, and so you know, it's not

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much more complicated than that. But
when you make it more complicated and there's

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more people involved that got their beaks
in there to get their piece, you

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know, then it's more and more
difficult. And so what would you say

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in all these years, if there
were one story, good, bad,

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wild, crazy, whatever it is
that would first come to the top of

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your head over all these years in
this journey in music, what would it

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be? Oh? Boy? I
mean yeah, the part that really made

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me happy was when it all kind
of came around and I could get good

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piece people to play with me.
I always had some talented friends and some

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people around, but at a certain
point when I started meeting you know,

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guys like producers like Eric Valentine or
Andy Carpenter, or just players like Josh

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Freezer, Nick OLIVERI or these different
people, you know. And I started

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realizing that I can make the record
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without being affiliated with some big label
or having a lot of money behind

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it. I just just by being
me and having done what I had done,

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I could talk to people and you
know, get some make even better

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records and have even cooler shit happen. And that was really important to me.

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That it took a while to get
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I got there, that was great
for me, you know. I mean,

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the drugs and sexes are great and
fun and they keep your rolling,

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you know, but to be able
to make these records for year after year,

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decade after decade and feel like,
wow, this is a great record.

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I really like this. I don't
feel like we're losing it or losing

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a step or can't quite do it. You know. To be able to

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do that deep into your fifties is
a great feeling, you know. And

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then a couple of years ago,
I in my solo record, the introducing

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Ralph Champagne, and so I kind
of made a new character and played different

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kind of music, more kind of
retro or country ish or loungeish kind of

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more listenable American music. And again, you know, just being able to

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have these big switches late in your
life and make a cool record and do

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something that you believe in. You
know, there's really no substitute for it.

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I think people get older and they
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doing, even if they get paid
for it. And so to really enjoy

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making those records and to go in
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you know, that's really the where
the fun is for me. And I

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love too hearing stuff like what you
were talking about with your solo record,

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because you know, people have this
concept that aren't familiar with punk of punk.

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But just because you're into punk doesn't
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If you're a musician, I would
think you would always want to experiment with

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no matter what it is. It
doesn't have to be one specific way.

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And as you've been doing it for
so many years, like you do,

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kind of want to do more things
as you get better at your craft or

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as things change in life, and
you don't want to make the same exact

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song record that you did twenty thirty
forty years ago. Yeah, well,

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I mean a lot of times in
music, you know, there's gold in

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the middle of the road, right, you do what you've already done or

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what people expect, and it's initially
easier and it's just easier to pull off

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and easier for people to swallow and
digest, you know. But again,

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we were always a little in your
face and disturbing to people. And so

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when you disturb them one way,
you know, then they expect you to

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continue disturbing them the same way.
You know, we're going to keep screaming

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fuck and have the nudity and whatever. But we sort of kept that element

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and up the production, and you
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you know, you're you're making too
nice sounding a record, or it's

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too pop in the song structure,
and then then we'd turn around and make

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something even nastier. And so it's
some hardcore song right next to a pop

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song and right next to a garage
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roll song. And so you know, you you you always want to confound

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people's expectations and come up with something
that's different that nobody's expecting. And again,

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it depends what pend rewards you're looking
for. The reward I'm looking for

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is to make another cool record that's
different than the last one. But yeah,

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you know, you know, but
if you're looking for just to have

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your old fans still like you and
everything hang on the way it is,

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then you just keep making the same
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they do that a lot, you
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what you were just said describing before, to me sounds more punk than that,

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right exactly. I mean, you
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punk band in my mind because they
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they always kept throwing in new elements
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sounded like. You know, when
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going to be the death of their
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more kind of Laurel Kenyon acoustic e
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the end. And you know it, if you have to try and do

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every new division, well you know, you got to. You know,

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it's not enough to just go,
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and a hat on, so I
guess I'm country or whatever. It's important

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that you kind of suspend your disbelief
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different kind of record, but a
great record, and not just a different

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kind of a show, but a
great show, you know, and you

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know you could sort of try and
deliver that as best you can, you

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know. But yeah, punk can
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to its same thing. And that
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never I don't come from California.
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thing. You know, I came
from Illinois. People would throw shit at

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you if you look that way or
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I mean, there was no there
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of these bands. It was still
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like punk was the biggest thing when
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kind of kept going. You know, it's like that, I don't know

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that world at all. It's all
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way. You know, you're your
own manager, you're your own producer,

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you're your own songwriter, and you
figure stuff out. And then, you

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know, along the way, more
and more good people started coming into the

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orbit and we could do more and
more interesting stuff. You know, I

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love it. Tell everybody how they
can reach out to you guys on the

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web on socials, get all your
merch shows, all that could do.

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Yeah, well, if you go
to the Dwarves dot com, then you

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know you went. You can't go
to Dwarves dot com because that brings you

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like elves and wizards and ship.
But if you go to thedwarves dot com,

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you get us. So there's all
kinds of nudity and all kinds of

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cool shit, and you can order
records and you know, all kinds of

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merch and all that stuff. You
just go to the Dwarves dot com and

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you'll find our social media. You
know, we're up on Instagram and they're

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always warning us about this or that, you know, but we're up on

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Facebook, Twitter and whatever whatever they
got. Love it And so is there

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anything else you have upcoming that you
want the listeners know about before we go?

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Well, yeah, there's a you
know, the Dwarves concept album came

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out in November and that was quite
successful. People liked it a lot.

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In it it was really you know, kind of a return to the you

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know, Dwarves must Die here.
Lots of weird production, lots of weird,

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different genres, lots of guests,
lots of different people, and so

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we got an EP coming out,
seven brand new songs and then a couple

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of things remixes from the concept album. So that's called The Dwarves Keep It

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Real. And of course it's got
a great cover, beautiful Girl and all

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this kind of stuff. So that's
coming out in late June, so you

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want to look for to Keep It
Real Mini LP. And then you know,

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we'll be in Europe in July and
August. We'll be supposed to be

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in Australia in November. That should
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a few things on the horizon and
some cool records. Another really cool one

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is that we went back and got
you know, Blood Guts and Pussy was

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our first sort of notorious record from
nineteen ninety. We went back and got

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the recordings that we made right before
that. We went into the studio and

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just did a lot of the material
that became Blood Guts. We just performed

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it live in the studio, no
overdubs, and so that stuff is finally

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going to get released now something like, you know, close to forty years

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later. So that's going to be
meat it's coming out as Sunshine, Lollipops

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and Rainbows, so that should be
out next year. So yeah, I

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always finding cool stuff in the vault
and doing new stuff. Well, I

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love hearing stuff like this because man, you're just keeping it alive and still

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bringing great art to us. And
thanks for doing it. Thanks for being

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at Punk Rock Bowling, and thanks
for being on the Adventures Pipemin. Well,

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thanks for talking to me. We
will talk to you. Pipe Man,

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pipe On, hit that pipe you
got it. Thank you for listening

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to the Adventures of Pipemin. I'm
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a ripper representing the Dwarves rock Legends