PipemanRadio Interviews The Subhumans at Punk Rock Bowling XXIV

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with My name is Stick Lucas, I

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sing for the Subhubans. We're here
in Las Vegas at the Punk Roll Bowling

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Annual event. It is a beautiful
thing to have you here at punk Rock

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boyl. It's really cool because I'm
super excited because I'll get to see you

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here today at the festival and the
main festival, but then I get to

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see you at club show too.
That's one of the things I love about

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Punk Rock Bowling. I don't even
remember. Have you guys ever played Punk

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Rock Bowling? Yeah, I think
it was twenty nineteen, perhaps, Okay,

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we did both the festival and the
club show after. Oh yeah,

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you know what. I think I
was at that one. That was the

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one where the Specials headline. But
it's such a cool festival. Isn't though,

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where you have like all these club
shows going on around the festival,

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and yet like basically the punks take
over all of downtown Las Vegas. Yeah,

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so all the weirdos in Las Vegas
are not the punks. The punks

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come along and make it seem a
bit more normal because it's just the weirdest

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place ever. And you see some
punks and you think, Okay, everything's

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looking a bit more sane. Now, you are right, because it is

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like I've been coming in Vegas since
I twelve, and I think the most

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normal I ever see it in downtown
Vegas is during punk rock bowling, right,

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which says a lot. So I
want to know, like, you

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guys have been doing it a long
long time. Man. Yes, scary,

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but we were back then. You
couldn't even conceive, Like I could

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never conceive that I would be going
to one of your shows in twenty twenty

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four. I didn't even think there
would be a twenty twenty four. No,

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but quite to see people who look
trying to look into the future and

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wonder to slash, worry about what
it's gonna be like just wasting the time

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You're never gonna know, get on
with the present and maybe book some it

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for next week or next month,
that's right, maybe next year, but

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looking forward ahead, and that is
just like gonna lead nowhere. Either you

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think it's gonna be great and it
isn't. Disappointed, you think it'd be

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awful and it isn't. You be
cheered up. But either way it's the

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pointed thing doing it. Might as
well work out how this week's going next

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month and put your heart and soul
into what's going on right now. I

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love that because I'm also a motivational
speaker. So I love that you said

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that, not only because I agree
with everything you said, but I like

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the image that when I do interviews
with punk bands that we throw out in

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the world because there's this image of
what punks are, and once I do

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interviews, I think that image is
very much different, you know, because

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we get to find out the real
people. People do judge by appearance way

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too much. Oh no, that
party. We live in a totally visual

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society where what people got to say
is secondary to what they look like exactly,

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and people get to say their stuff
because of what they look like way

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too often. Yeah, one hundred
percent. So what would you say in

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all these years is the best,
worst, wildest, craziest, whichever story

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that you could think of in your
musical journeys. We'll call it. That's

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tricky. Well, let's go for
when we were over in La staying at

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a friend's place. This was we
have citizen Fish in ninety wherever year it

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was a while back. It was
the year of the La riots. Oh

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okay, And we were there and
we were looking out this guy's window and

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way over there in the distance there's
just the sky was lit up with fire

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and stuff, and on the news
that the whole place was just going and

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where we're playing, we're playing like
across that and over the other side of

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that, and it's like, I
don't think we should do that. We

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find out and said we're not turning
up. There's a right going and I

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said, work, you know there's
people here. It's like, you know,

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we've sold tickets. I said,
yeah, but look on the teley

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dot. Your whole area is going
up in flames, right, you know,

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van astands the chance being overturned and
smashed the bits or whatever. You

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know, we didn't get all the
way over here just to risk being beat

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up, killed, arrested. Whatever
set on fire just because we're playing next

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to a riot. It's one of
the really really rare situations where we had

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to cancel. We felt the danger
level was too high. That's a legitimate

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reason the council, I gotta say, because I went wind drive through those

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riots to get to the show.
No, as an intendee, I imaginely

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quite a few people didn't go to
the show that. Oh yeah, absolutely,

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So what was it that? Really? Do you remember that first moment

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in your life that you thought this
is who I want to be. No,

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these that's all revelations that cocurred there, right, that's fiction. You

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get it in books, in films. It's like, oh, no,

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I know what I want to be. No, you don't, you know?

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No, But that's what I think. When I first heard the adverts

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the UK band back in seventy seven
or seventy eight, Singing Board Teenagers on

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the Alan Freeman Show. It was
a Saturday afternoon show on Radio one BBC,

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and suddenly it was a very startpunk
rock where it was for me at

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least, and I thought, wow, here's a single that combines all the

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stuff, all the musical bits I
used to like from previous bands, all

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shoved into less than two minutes.
And they're not singing about strange, surreal,

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odd, fairy tale whatever lyrics.
You know, all the lyrics up

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to that point to me, meant
more or less nothing, just love songs,

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yeah, or weird. Say they're
sing about board teenagers here, I

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am bored teenager. That clicked.
That could be described as a moment where

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I felt I found something really in
so wanted to be like that and wanted

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to sing like that. I wanted
to do that, and I wanted to

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be in a band. And so
I'll nail it down to that moment,

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even though the process was a lot
more undefined than that. Yeah. Yeah,

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with reflection hindsight, we'll stick with
that moment, all right. And

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So, since you've been in this
punk areena since pretty much close to the

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beginning, what do you think of
punk today compared to punk when you started.

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Well, today, it's a lot
safer to be a punk rocket look

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like a punk rocker, to be
in the punk band. Punk bands getting

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the charts, they actually kind of
think of it. They used to get

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in the charts as well. But
the shotgun awe of punk rockers long ago

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worn off. A lot of punk
rockers melded in with pop music and it's

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got popular in themselves like one hundreds
of thousands of units. It's more generally

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speaking, it's more commercial and mainstream
now where else a good thing or bad

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thing. But there again asking a
full cycle because with the sex Pistols,

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the Clash and all those bands started, they all started on large record labels

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and they sold a whole bunch of
records as well, maybe not as many

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as para religional rounds of the Green
Day. I don't know, I've got

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the figures, but it was commercial
then, it's commercial now. In between

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then when the press started not to
notice punk anymore and declared it being dead,

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then it started to develop in some
more diy scene and smaller labels came

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up, smaller fans, in smaller
radio shows, smaller bands, and they

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didn't they didn't really aim at being
rock stars or the top of the pops

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and be famous and what sort of
thing. But they was in it for

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the love of playing and mutual feeling
you get between band and crowd and being

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teenagers, just to vent your internal
emotions out loud and have it amplified in

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front of people who like it.
It is a great feeling. Yeah,

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that is your basis of punk rock
right there. It's just the venting.

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And once the corporations have decided it
was a bit passing and weren't interested in

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it anymore, then it got more
true to life. I think, not

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to denigrate the first wave of punk
rock when it came along, it may

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had a massive effect on a low
load a lot of teenage people just we

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just didn't know where they were in
society. Felt alienated completely by all the

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rock and roll musically speaking, by
all that rock and roll stuff that come

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before it. It was out of
touch. It was you couldn't be in

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a band. You had to be
some sort of god to be in a

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band and play Wembley and whether bands
really did, and you know, you

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couldn't get any access to it.
That's what it felt. And punk rock

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came along, and it's basic.
One of its basic messages was anyone can

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do this Yeah, And a lot
of people just said, yep, I'll

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give it a shot. And there
loads of really fucking awful punk bands and

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they didn't care and it didn't matter. Some of got records out and some

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got a lot better, and some
gave up some carried on. I was

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in a my first band called the
Mental. We did ten shows, we

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did a one ep. We were
pretty awful. But when you're awful,

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when you're a band, if you're
recording or playing a gig, you were

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in a band. Yeah, you're
a punk band right there. You haven't

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had like years of musical teaching or
music industry specifics of what to do and

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when to do it, and how
to do it and who to manage to

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do it. None of that.
Hut, all that out out of window,

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back to basics. And that's that's
what punk rot is, and that's

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why it's still going now because teenagers
can now just say right and don't get

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me that guitar and could you want
to sing? Can you got a drum

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kit? Well? Can you borrow
one? Let's just whack out some emotional

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inconsistency in our heads and instead of
going out there and getting drunk and beating

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people up, we're going to play
some music instead get as well, but

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probably not beat people up. And
listen, you're speaking my language right now,

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because I'm a big believer. Like
people don't understand the pit. The

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pit isn't about hurting the maiming people
is about exactly what you're saying. It's

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a healthy way to get out all
your aggression and like we're all big family

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together. You're not really looking to
hurt anybody. You're just getting that shit

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out. You're venting and you and
I say all the time, it saved

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me from punching a lot of people
in the face, you know, And

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you get out and then you're not
out there doing other destructive things, because

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how much destruction with all the anger
as a teenager and things you're going through,

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would you cause if you didn't have
punk music. That's my view point

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of the pit, and the pit
is very much an American thing. It

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wasn't a UK thing. It's all
first stories, like what the hell was

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going on? What it does?
It's one of the very rare things that

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combines both aggression and intimate contacts.
Yeah, like you are with a whole

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bunch of bodies going around, there
is contacts. You're not on your own

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flaming at somebody else, You're with
something. You're flailing together and it sounds

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like an oxymoron or whatever, but
you're you're being aggressive in a communal way.

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Yeah, I'm not sure, Like
a family like siblings. You gotta

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watch it. If people who are
not interested in being in the pit are

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getting wax and hit by mistake or
deliberately, then that is wrong, right.

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You gotta keep it within the circle. Well, that's why I hate

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the people that don't understand the pit
and they just go in to try to

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like they think they're tough guys.
It's not about the tough guys, you

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know. And you should have this
like wall around the pit to protect and

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protect the people that don't want to
be If you want to be in it,

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great, you don't want to be
it, that's your choice, you

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know, And that's the way it's
cool. And it's so funny what you

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said about looking at us because me
as a teenager, I was a metal

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head that also happened to be a
punker in the eighties when you couldn't be

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both and uh, basically, which
I hated that was stupid, But you

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know, I always was like,
it was my dream to go to the

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UK because that's where the real punk
scene was. And then our image over

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here is that you guys were more
crazy than us when it came to stuff

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like that, you know. So
it's kind of funny that that wasn't even

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true. It was just our own
image. Maybe we were trying to make

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ourselves feel better that we were looking
like a bunch of crazies. But the

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same situation was occurring on both sides
of the planet. The planet is like,

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we were all looking for other people
doing something in the name of punk

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lot that we could ever join in
with, or associate with, or compare

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ourselves to. Yeah, but it
was a massive endo with punk bands all

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over the globe, Australia, India, everywhere it was happening. That's what's

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so good about it. It was
once you dug into it, it wanted

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to be on the media image of
what was going on. Yeah, and

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all this diy punk consciousness was occurring
right across the planet. And I think

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anybody that meets punks or goes to
someplace like punk rock Bawling where we're at

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now what they find as the punks
are like some of the most caring people

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on the planet, not just about
their music, but about the planet,

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about people, about all kinds of
issues that are important for human beings and

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all of us. Yeah, I
mean, correct me if I'm wrong.

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I might be wrong these days because
politics has entered all sorts of musical genres.

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Yeah, because politicians have got seriously
out of hand. Ever since the

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Internet came in, We've all become
realizing how bad things are, and politicians

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are going way more right wing across
the planet and things are getting seriously dangerous

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for the whole of humanity. So
a lot more people in various diverse genres

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of music are getting more political when
their lyrics and outlook and the benefitings they

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doing that sort of thing. But
up to that point, a few years

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ago and backwards in time, punk
rot to me at least was the one

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scene where there was way more politics
than any other scene, where like there

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was information leaflets and pamphlets and fanzines
at shows that you could pick up pay

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for or get for free. We'll
just tell you some facts about animal rights,

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human rights, the local scene,
the national scene, the global scene

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in terms of what was going on
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and it was just an information is
communication, and that what leads to people

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changing their minds about things like eating
meat, that sort of thing. Without

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the facts, people just think they're
right doing what they were doing because their

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parents did it, all their mates
do it and under pressure and all that.

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But anyone who ever felt a bit
outside of society because they didn't feel

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they fitted in, you go,
you won't go on to a punk show

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and grab a bit of info and
buy a fanzine or just pick up what's

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going out there for free. You
can certly realize that you're not the only

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one anymore. That's the unifying thing
about information. It's like people don't feel

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so isolated in their non us their
unusual ways of thinking compared to what they're

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supposed to be thinking according to TV
shows, in the media and that sort

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of thing. Yeah. Absolutely,
and it's so true because one thing I

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love about these interviews is listeners get
to find out what punks are really all

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about instead of what their images of
them. And to me, punks are

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some of the most intellectual people that
can give you the intellectual facts and information.

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And actually, you know, they're
using a certain type of music to

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spread knowledge that is, you know, true knowledge that can help everybody.

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Yeah, I think you might be
giving a bit too much credit maybe if

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you knowledge with opinions and outlooks,
because not everything we think is going to

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be dead, right, Yeah,
that's true knowledge. Is actual factual stuff,

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and there's a lot of facts that
way more facts out there than there

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is opinions. I may not be
true anymore. Ready, opinions seemed to

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have taken over. People think nowadays
that their opinions are all facts. I

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had somebody ask somebody recently. They
post something on Facebook and I asked them,

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I'm like, you know, is
that peer reviewed? And they're like,

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yeah, all my friends agree with
me, you know, So there

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you go. Well, man,
it's phenomenal that you're here once again at

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Punk Rock Bowling. I'm really looking
totally forward to your set here at the

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festival grounds and at the club show. I'm sure you're going to kill it.

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And one thing to go back to
something you said is Punk Rock Bowling

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is a festival that shows that punk
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family than we ever were, and
it's more inclusive than we ever were.

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And like what I'm leading to what
I said earlier about metal heads and punks

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can be at the same show,
well, everybody can be at the same

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show now and it's at Punk Rock
Bowling. Yeah, that's one of the

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learning things about punk roll is that
you don't have to define yourselves too narrowly.

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Yeah, if you do that,
you're missing out on a whole bunch

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of ideas from other people who are
interested in the same things as punks are.

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They just don't look the same,
And then musical tastes veers out towards

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other stuff that some punks hate and
some punks don't. We got to be

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more relaxed about what we like and
what we don't like, and not argue

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all the time over what we look
like and my musical tastes and whether this

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band is better than that band,
or where we got the whole world out

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there full of problematic stuff that affects
us way more deeply than just tasting music

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or tasting haircuts. Like I love. You get older, you start taking

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this stuff more seriously, and start
taking punk rock a bit less seriously.

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It's not the only thing there is. We're all punk rockers, but we're

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good people. But punk rock is
your mainstay, main course on the musical

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menu of life. From there you
go, I love it. Let's tell

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everybody how they can connect on socials, on the web, get all your

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merch, tourd aids, everything.
Yeah, I main outlet for that is

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our band. Camp site. Okay, so Subhumans, I think Subhuman's UK

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dot band camp dot com. That's
what all our merchant is being sold.

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That's where our music is for downloading. We're also on Instagram, We're also

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on Facebook. But those things just
they set the life blood out your brain.

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I want to go back to the
tape trading, the tapes, writing

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letters, doodles in letters, character
in writing. You write this bit,

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big, bigger than that bit,
and decorate the envelopes and all sorts of

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beautiful individual stuff, and you just
can't do it with typeface. That's true,

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and that screen time. So instead
we're going to spend some time at

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the sub Human show right here.
Punk Rock Bowling, thanks for being here,

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and thanks for being on the Adventures
of paint Man. Thanks for having

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me keep it up. Thank you
for listening to the Adventures of Patemn.

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