March 19, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Tumbleweed Dealer

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Starting off in 2012 as a one-man digital adventure to explore Seb Painchaud’s interest in smoky, bluesy, haze-laden instrumental music, the project quickly grew into a melting pot of stoner, psychedelic, post, and math rock—an infrasonic concoction that was brewed to complement a potent mushroom trip across the desert. By 2014, the band’s sophomore release, Western Horror, leaned into a cinematic direction, immersing listeners into a wordless narrative that probably belongs best to a Tarantino film.

The following release of 2016, TDIII - Tokes, Hatred & Caffeine, saw the group tightening its compositions, resulting in an album that featured a total of 12 tracks over the span of 40-minutes. Gone were the long, drawn-out build ups! Tumbleweed Dealer began to favor quickly undulating cascades of harmonies, all of which were played against a rhythm section that openly showcased a vast array of musical influences.

While the band never actively toured, they played the occasional show. Scarce as they were, the band traveled as far as California to share their mastery of the loop station and to recreate their soundscapes in a live setting while commanding the stage with the authority of the seasoned extreme metal veterans that made up their ranks at the time.

By the time composition started for an eventual fourth album, the group’s live lineup had dissolved. What started as a simple decision to ward off the need to write music that can be recreated in front of a live audience quickly grew into what Sebastien coined a “bucket list album”, a shining new opportunity to indulge in every adventurous musical thought in a way that was free from any concern about the feasibility of its pieces. Pairing themselves with an unlikely drummer early in the creative process, Angelo Fata from local hardcore bands Jesus Horse and Hopeless Youth, group mainstays Painchaud and Joubaud went on to craft songs that merged oppositional forces of vintage sounds with modern ideas. Mellotrons, Hammonds, and Rhodes were added on top of jazzy, funky riffs that managed to maintain the group’s melodic pallet in a way that pushed it further. If there was an elevator pitch to sum this new direction up, it might go something like this: “What if Toe and Camel got high together in a swamp?”

More than 8 years in the making, Tumbleweed Dealer’s main driving force, Seb Painchaud, not only thinks that this album reflects a life-spanning culmination of his experience as a musician and composer, but also of his life as an avid musical fan with an obsessive need to discover new artists, genres, and sounds. Though he has released records with various projects since his early twenties, Dark Green is the album he has been working on his whole life, whether he knew it or not.

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want to talk about? So let's walk and welcome to

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the show set from Tumbleweed Dealer.

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How are you pretty good?

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Thanks for having me?

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Oh, my pleasure. And I gotta tell you I love

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your band name. Every time I say it or think it,

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I'm thinking of my high school Weed Dealer.

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Actually, argusly, I gotta admit we kind of regret it now.

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It's uh, you can't search it on Facebook. If you

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try to look us up on Facebook, Facebook will tell

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you that it's illegal to purchase narcotics on Facebook. Oh

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I'm going to show up. Yeah, it's been it's been

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pretty bad for the marketing techniques. We're kind of regretting

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the name now.

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How quickly did it take for you to realize that?

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It took like twelve years there was not an issue

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until we started promoting the new albums. Something must have

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changed with Meadow or whatever. But now it's like you

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can't look it up, and I'm sure they're killing our

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views and numbers because of that, it's been really hard

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to get some traction on Facebook. I think Facebook kind

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of just picked up on the pun finally after ten years. Like,

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wait a minute, I don't think they're dealing out tumbleweeds.

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I know, right, I think what it is.

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I'll tell you exactly what it is, because I deal

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with that crap all the time.

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It's the it's the AI. So the AI is only

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hearing weed.

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That's it. That's it, and the AI, I tried to

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write the Facebook, how do you convince the machine you're

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not selling drugs? Man?

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I know, hey, maybe you should go a different route

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and say, hey, you know it's kind of legal now

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it is.

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That's the thing you should let us sell. We'd probably

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make a lot more money selling weed than trying to

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sell music on Facebook.

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So I know, right.

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And you know what it's kind of ironic is once

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weed starts turning legal that they're blocking you.

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That's weird, exactly. It's Uh, it was never an issue

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before and now all of a sudden, we we we

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can't pop up on Facebook no more. You can't be

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buying no tumbleweeds.

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Maybe they were just listening to how great your music

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is and they're thinking, oh, yeah, this is definitely you know, Yeah, they're.

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Clearly under the influence. We're gonna have to We're gonna

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have to put a stop on that. Yeah.

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See now, now are you where are you located?

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Quebec, Canada.

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That's what I thought.

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I didn't want to assume, and I love Montreal, but

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maybe you know, you'll have some luck in the US

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in places like Oklahoma where they actually think you'll be

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actually selling tumbleweeds, because.

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They're probably the first ones to wonder, why the hell

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would anyone buy them? They just roll around everywhere for free.

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Someone start dealing them. Why would I buy one? There's

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a bunch of my backyard, so there lost people that

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would buy an estible would buy tumbleweed way before someone

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in the Oklahoma wood.

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I know, you know, And I just thought of something funny,

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if I'm remembering correctly, in the Doors movie, when he's

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tripping out on peyote or whatever, and I think there's

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like tumbleweeds going by him.

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Probably. I remember in the SpongeBob movie where Keanu reeves

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head is a tumbleweed that gives him godlike advice, which

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was pretty fucking trippy to for a kid's.

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Movie, that that would be great to kind of use

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that if you could, in like one of your videos.

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Yeah, we're trying to get away from the whole stoner things.

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I'll be honest, I said, we're under the influence. I

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actually have been pretty Stone Pulls sober for the last

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eight years or so, so we're kind of moving away

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from the whole stoner thing. We lean into it really

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hard at the beginning with the band name and that

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and the song titles, and it was definitely a big

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factor in how we were making music at that point.

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You get a kid, you grow up, and you start

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learning how to write sober exactly.

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You know, like so and to me too.

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You know, it's funny because I'm not even in that

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same mode anymore like you, and I'm like thinking myself, Yeah,

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it's just tumbleweed dealer. I didn't even think anything of it.

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I just thought, hey, they just came and they were

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sitting around and came up with a cool name.

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Yeah, pretty much. We wanted to get something that show

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we're going for the whole psychedelic stoner's thing on one side,

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and on the other side, we're going for a Western,

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maricone spaghetti western kind of vibe. Like, so we just

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wanted to be really on the nose with our two

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main influences. But the sound kind of gruesomestan, so the

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name doesn't represent it all anymore.

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Yeah, So tell us a little bit about the newest

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music News album. You know, how would you as the

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artist describe it and how would you describe it differently

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from previous.

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It's I don't even want to say it's the next

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evolution when you compare the third album, because I think

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it's like five or six steps further. At first, I

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was trying to release albums almost yearly. I managed to

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with the first two albums, then big delay third album,

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then I had a kid eight years fourth album. So

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if I was still on that initial schedule, this would

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be like my twelve or thirteenth or fourteenth album. And

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I feel like music wise, it is, it's like it's

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evolved that much. There's a big, big gap those eight years.

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Really let us explore music as fans discover kind of

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music that we like and find ways to bring it

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back into the Tumblewheed Dealers sound. So where it started

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was very very strict, like two sounds together, like we're

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putting stone rock with Western vibes, a bit of post

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rock in there. That's it. It kept growing and growing

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in between the third album that had like a couple

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of genres mixed in there and this one, like this

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one's a lot wlier. I think it's like we incubated

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the band's sound and we managed to get like the

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third or fourth evolution and skip a few levels.

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Nice and you know, I find that like the song

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Ghosts Dressed in Weeds, that to me, that describes what

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you're talking about. It's like, it's got a really cool,

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unique sound to it. And that's something I love nowadays

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because it seems like with technology and AI and all that,

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like all music's starting to sound the same. And you know,

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I used to hate it when the older people said

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that when I was younger, because it wasn't true.

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But now it's true.

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It is, it is, and it is, but it isn't

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in the sense that there's so much music out there

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and we'll oftentimes shit on technology and say like, well,

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what the technology and what's Spotify? And definitely like, before

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I say anything good about Spotify, let's start with fuck Spotify.

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They're fucking me over and not making goddamn fucking dime.

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Fuck them. But as a listener fucking loves Spotify. I'm

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discovering so many different gens and music that I never

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even thought of looking into because it's at my fingertips.

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Because of that, I don't understand why we're like the

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bands are their sound or getting like this when they're

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access to all the music in the world is going

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like this, So why would you Why would you write

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something like I always say like, if you listen to

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your favorite band, pick up your guitar and go like,

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I want to sound like my favorite band, while do

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it in your living room. No one needs to hear it,

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and you're not adding anything to music, like you don't

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need and I'm everyone's music is valid and if you

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want to do it, you want to do it. But

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I just I don't get it. I don't get it.

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I would never have one band and go like I

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want to sound like them, No, I want to sound

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like them, mix with them. But the face is doing this,

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and this is doing that. I slight this on this

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and that's for one song, next song. This is the mix.

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And that's always been how I approach music. I want

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to make something that's unique, but I don't want to

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make weird for the sake weird. I just want to

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have my own flavor and my own like recipe. But

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I'm not trying to feed you guy's mud and call

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it food.

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Yeah, no doubt.

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Well, See, to me, a great artist is about experimenting

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with your creativity, you know. And I find a live

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artists nowadays aren't experimenting. They're pushing buttons order copying somebody else.

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So that's why I like somebody like you. That's like

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making real music, you know, And that real music doesn't

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have to have a distinctive sound. It has to have

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the sound that's authentic to you.

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Yeah. Think you can have a color palette. Yeah, then

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you can paint different stuff with your color palette. Where

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I still think every song has a little dumbleweed in it.

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There's that there's always that little twang, that little southern side.

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It just we recontextualize it by going like, look, the

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guitars are still doing the twang, but the bass is

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playing jazz and the drama is playing a samba. But

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it and the me tumbleweed is a type of melody

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and a vibe. It's not a jar, meaning I can

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play shoegaze and it's tumbleweed. I can play jazz and

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it's tumbleweed. It's not where other bands are like, well,

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we are brutal that metal, so like, yes, we can

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have a bit of this kind of influence, but it's

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still brutal. Tumbleweed's not a jar. It's a vibe and

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it's a kind of melody, and you can put that

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melody over anything. It took me a few albums to

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realize that that I can still have that western e twang,

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but I can have the bass play a funky bass

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line and the drums have like this completely different thing.

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And that's where I like the layer stuff. I like

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the layer stuff. And people go, I don't really hear

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this influence in your music. I'm like, it's it's because

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it's just in the bass. If you're listening to the

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whole thing, Like a lot of people say, oh, it

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reminds me of crowd rock. Crowd Rock's my least favorite

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kind of progressive rock. I don't really like crowd rock.

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It's just people associate prog plus funk crowd rock. But no,

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it's prog and the guitars and the keys and the

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bass and drum are funking. To me, it's two things together.

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It's not crock rock. I'm not listening to Can. I'm

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listening to King Crimson and then I'm turning around listening

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to James Brown and the Thundercat and stuff like that,

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and I'm layering them and that's where I'm getting a

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funky progressive rock.

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I love that because you know too, You made a

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point too. Is one of my things nowadays is the

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genre thing. I can't stand.

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It, Like it gets so ridiculous. I did a thing.

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I go in and I do uh radio coverage at

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music festivals, and I do this thing during the interviews.

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Is like we just do it as a joke, like

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if you.

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Were to come up with your own genre for your band,

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what would that genre be called? And the reason I

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do that is to show the ridiculousness of how micro

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genres and subgenres and it's.

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Like they get so specific.

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And that locks the artists in to that specific Yeah.

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But at the same time, I kind of get it

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because right now we're living the like you're like, why

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does everyone do it that way? We're gonna do it

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our own fucking win. And then you're like, oh, this

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is why they do it that way. Where we're in

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this weird niche right now where like, oh, well, it's

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very proggy. There's melotron, there's a lot of the seventies five,

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but the old prog heads are gonna hate it because

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there's a guy rapping over one song. The rap people

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are gonna hate it. I guess there's too much music.

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It's hard to find find an audience. Right now, we're

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getting like then we're getting oh that's why they go

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for once. Now we kind of get it because it's

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hard to market it. Afterwards, we we will try and

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go like, oh, I think we got enough Matt Rock.

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Let's talk us on Matt Rock. People, they're like most

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of the albums in four form, like it's still map wrong.

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There's more than than just time seeing issues. And then

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the prog heads are like, all I really didn't like

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that one song. I'm like, oh, the one with the

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guy rapping, let me is let me guess it's the

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guy with the one rapping right. Yeah, Yeah, that's what

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I thought. So we're brilliant this in between where it's

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hard to find an audience. You're like, this is why

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people pick I'm gonna play melodic folk, Viking metal and yeah,

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because you have a pre made audience. When you do that,

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it's honestly a lot smarter than whatever the fuck we're

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trying to do right now.

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But so we could call you like we could call

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you you know, western uh, Western rap is Western psychedelic

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tumbleweed rap.

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You gotta you gotta throw funk and you gotta throw

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funking progs somewhere in there.

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I throw.

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The main two ingredients with the new album on top

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of what we had already built. Was we were trying

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to take what we already had and really then merge.

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I love seventies broad rock. I'm a huge fan of Camel,

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which is not super Unknown, but it's not like in

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the big top three. It's not Emerson Lake and Palmer

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and King Crimson and Yes and stuff. Camel's my favorite

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bend ever, especially the first five albums. I wanted those sounds.

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I wanted like the melotron. I wanted to have in

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our organ and stuff. But we didn't want to play

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seventies stuff. We didn't want to sound retro, so we

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wanted to take that recontextualize it and there's something a

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bit more upbeat but odd. We were very inspired by

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Japanese bath rock on that side. It's like toll bands,

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especially light today stuff like that, and really big fans

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of those Japanese bands, And we're trying to mix stat

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together like kind of like I was saying, put the

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sounds of the keyboards and seventies on top and the

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rhythm sections, getting this whole Japanese matt rock thing, and

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that was like the main recipe, and then let's see

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in what direction we can push that made recipe so

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basically cabl until we're trying to make a cablete.

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I love it. I love it.

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And so here's a question I like to know, is

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how is it that Canadian musicians can form a band

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with not many people and make such incredible music in

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such a full sound that like you could have bands

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here in the US to have ten members that can't

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make create as much of a sound, so to speak.

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I don't know if it's a Canadian thing for us personally.

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We just hired a bunch of session musicians. We just

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took off all the limitations on our music when we

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started to write on the album. At some point we

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made a decision that we were not interested in playing

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live anymore, so we didn't need to be able to

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recreate this on stage. Where before we would play shows,

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which means I would write the guitars. Yes, there'd be

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twelve guitars, but they would happen one at a time,

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and I could do it with a looper. So we

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were getting on stage and I was recording myself through

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a looper, and I was going guitar number one, guitar

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number two and building it up. But that dictated the

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song structure, and we were like, fuck it, let's I

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don't feel like playing shows anymore. I don't care. Let's

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not like write the songs to play like three shows.

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And that's in. So we could go four guitars, then two,

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then one, and that kind of opened like that whole

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fuck the show's mentality opened the door. They're like, well,

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if we're not playing shows, I've always wanted to have

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melodron on my music. I'm like, let's reach out to someone.

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We found the guy that has a melodron in Quebec, like, okay,

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we'll send him to I all so very much like

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in love with the sound of ham An organ. Oh

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he has one too. Find a guy with a Rhodes piano.

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And the only thing linking all the instruments that we

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used is that I loved him. That's the only like

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You're like, we have got horns, we've got saxophone, we've

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got flugel horn, there's roads, there's like and they're like, okay,

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how did they all fit together? They all fit together

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because I all love him. If I all love him,

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they can all go together. What the fuck? That's it.

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That's that's the logic. And then I was like, well,

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I've always wanted to do one song with a vocalist

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because everything else is instrumental. And I was like Jeske Raymuss,

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and the guys were like, is that a singer? Is

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he like in a stoner band? I'm like, no, he's

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like an indie rapper that sings, And they're like, how

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does that fit? It fits because I love his music.

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If I wanted to fit, make it fit, and that's it,

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and we just kind of went all in into what

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we love. And we're all metal heads. We're all come

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from metal bands. So like at one point, I'm like

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double bass drums. He's like, what double bass drums. We've

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never done it before. We're doing it now in the

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middle of a goddamn song, double bas drums go full in.

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And so it was just that fun, like we don't

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care anymore, man, We're just gonna put everything we left

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together her and then we're just gonna work and work

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and work until for us it fits. And for some

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people it doesn't fit. They'll be like, well, this doesn't

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go with it. I'm like, it does, motherfucker, it does.

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You just can't understand it.

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And you know what, I love that because to me,

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that's a true musician. It's like when when I started

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playing guitar and I still ended up sucking, but my

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dad I would be sitting there and I would just

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experiment with what I could do on the guitar. I

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wasn't like playing anything structured. I was just I wanted

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to hear what sounds I could make.

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And he's like, you better give that up because you suck.

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And he didn't get it though I wasn't trying to

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sound good. I was trying to see what I liked

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and to me, how can you be a great musician

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if you don't love it well?

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And that's I think the difference is being a great musician,

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which I do not think I am, especially not as

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a guitarist. As a bassist, I'm pretty good as a guitarist.

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I'm a guitar I'm a bassist that plays guitar. I'm

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not a guitarist. But the difference is I don't want

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to be a great musician. I want to be a

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great composer. And that's a switch that happened in my

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brain when I started this project, and that's why I've

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been and I picked up a guitar because I was like,

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I don't want to have someone else's input. I want

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to write the guitar rist myself. I'm a bass player,

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but I'm I was just so sick of having to

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find a guitar player and then adapt to his sound

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and then try to well tweak it. I'm like, no,

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my own goddamn sound. They can play guitar good enough,

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but give me a guitar and ask me to play

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a slayer riff, and that's when you're gonna see, I

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am not a guitarist. I'm a fasis. I practice the

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techniques I needed for my songs. I can play my songs.

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I can play these little tappy things. Are like, oh,

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that's pretty complicated. Play angel of that. I'm like that.

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I've never practiced picking like that. There's no picking like

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that in my music, so I don't need it. But

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I can't play a Metallica riff and I can't palm

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you to save my life. Like I'm not a guitar player,

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I'm not a good one. That's for goddamn sure. I

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aim to be a good composer first and a good

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bassis second, and that's why the bass is a big

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emphasis in our music. And I also try to be

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a good bass writer, a good thing. I went from

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being like I'm outplay everyone on the bass. I'm a

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shred so much, and I'm like, no, I'm gonna play

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a four note line that's gonna get stuck in your

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head and drive you absolutely fucking insane because you can't

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get it out of your head. That's my goal now.

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It's not to impress you with my skills. It's for

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you to hate me in two hours when you're still

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humming that baseline driving to work right. Yeah, and that's

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my goal now. A difference. Some people want to be

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great musicians. I don't. I want to try to write

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good music and that's it. Like I really couldn't care

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more about being good on the instrument anymore. I'm good

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enough to write what I need to write. That's it.

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I plateaued on my instrument twenty years ago.

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Well, you know what's interesting about what you just said

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is I think of like some shredders, and I think

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they're not really great musicians, even though people think they are.

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They're just.

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They're shredding, so it sounds like they're great musicians.

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There's some merit to it. It's just it's a different art.

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It's a different They're aiming for a different goal, and

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if that's your goal, it's valid. And I still do

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watch some shredits and go like, holy shit, the technique.

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But yeah, I also I probably won't listen to that

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in my car a lot. I'll bump something a lot

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more fun to listen to. But on YouTube it's fun.

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There's a lot of musicians like that. I find like

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they're a fun musician. But look at but without the

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visual aspect. I wouldn't really like play it in my car.

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I'll put something a lot patch you're on.

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But it's just a different like the war, like the War.

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Yeah I'm not that huge fan of war, but yeah,

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anything like that. And I was listening to Knop on

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Dan on the way home, so I skip. I skipped

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from to I get bored really quick. I'm like one

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grind core, one wrap, one one prog album. That's it,

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and I go around. But yeah, that's what I think.

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That's what's beautiful about bands that create different kinds of music.

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Like I was just talking about an interview recently that

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everybody keeps giving a lot of shade to bring me

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to rise and for doing all this different stuff. And

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I'm thinking myself, I think Allie's probably bored and wants

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to write whatever he feels in his head. And he

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even said it, why I want to write the same

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song over and over again.

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Then there's nothing worse to me than listening to a

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band's new album and when it's over all I can

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think of is it's more of the same, Like even

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if you're write your best songs, ever if they're more

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of the same. On album number four, that's more of

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the same. I'm not gonna enjoy it as much as

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I did on the first one when it was new

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to me. So from my perspective, your new album's not

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as good as your old one because your old one

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I spent more time with, and your new one. I'll

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just go like, it's more the same. Yeah, but the

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songs are better. Yeah, it's more the same. So I'm

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not gonna listen to them that much, and then I'm

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gonna go back to the other album that I know

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better that hasn't been a nostalgia attached to. So you're

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just not gonna piauk my interest and putting the time

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and they're really appreciating the songs because they're not bringing

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anything new to the table. If I finished album is like, oh,

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it's more of the same. I'm not going to listen

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to twelve times to appreciate and trick at the cities

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of the little nuances that make them not they sound

449
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.359
like your first album. But then I already liked your

450
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.480
first album, So it makes people a lot of times

451
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:16.519
I'll finish an album and go like it's not bad.

452
00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.559
Maybe want to go back tom to the first one.

453
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:20.920
That's not what you want from a new album to

454
00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.359
make me want to go back and listening to the

455
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.759
ones from before. No, you want me hooked on the

456
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:27.880
new one. You want me to go like this one

457
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:30.440
has something special. That's why I have a bad like Olver.

458
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:32.759
I always say, we're the Olver of Stone to rock.

459
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:34.759
Hm. Well, you know.

460
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:38.359
It's it's funny too that you mentioned that, because I

461
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.799
immediately thought of one of my favorite bands who My

462
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.200
favorite album of theirs is their first album, and they

463
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.680
came out with a new album not that long ago.

464
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:50.880
And at first, when I first.

465
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.480
Came out, I'm like, oh, this is badass, it's going

466
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:58.799
back to old school. But then I got bored because

467
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:01.599
it didn't have like you're saying, didn't have that same

468
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.119
raw feeling it did first time around. It just sounds

469
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.759
like you know, And.

470
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.960
It's not necessarily that the albums it might be better

471
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.920
than the first one, but you music does not exist

472
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.200
in a vacuum. Your new album exists for a lot

473
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.039
of people, maybe not the new fans, for a lot

474
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:23.680
of people, though it exists in reference to the album before,

475
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:27.079
especially to me. If you put out a few good albums,

476
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.039
I'm waiting for the next evolution I'm waiting for the

477
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.920
next step. You give me more of the same. I'm

478
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.200
probably gonna go back to the album before because I

479
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.880
know it better and I appreciate it more, and I'm

480
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.119
not going to give your new one the time to

481
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.920
sit with me as much because it's it's not offering

482
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.480
anything new. So if you want to keep me hooked,

483
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.079
you don't have to make these big leaps and bounds,

484
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.720
but you have to give me a little something. You

485
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:58.000
have to go in one specific direction, and a lot

486
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.400
of times I find it it comes from musicians that

487
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.720
love music and that love music outside of what they make.

488
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:09.440
Be guys, you're really really an interview with the Akerfel

489
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:13.000
from Opeth recently and he was talking about his Still

490
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.559
Life album and the album that I love, absolutely love

491
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:22.440
still Life. I love Opeth, especially the early stuff, and

492
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.319
he mentioned that people don't realize that, but when they

493
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.160
made that album, they were obsessed with Stevie Wonder, and

494
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.440
now and he makes and it's like it's this one

495
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.680
leg part of my life where for like a year

496
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.240
or two I was obsessed with Stevie Wonder and then

497
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.480
we made this album and for him it's like and

498
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.519
you don't hear Stevie Wonder in there, but it influenced

499
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:45.799
him somehow, and that album has an a whole special

500
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.160
something and it's because it represents that one period in

501
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.039
his life when he was musically obsessed with this one thing.

502
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.680
It's not a direct influence, but it's there.

503
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:58.920
Yeah, you know what's wild about that made me remember

504
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:04.200
about IRV You Dave Grohl did talking about Nirvana and

505
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.160
he was saying, you know, people don't know this, but

506
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.039
that drum beat and know but Nirvana, I stole that

507
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:10.680
from disco.

508
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.519
That was a disco I saw.

509
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.880
That and then yeah, and they showed the comparison the

510
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:20.000
end he just brought in in this new context, it

511
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.759
has this effect that's similar but different, Like it still

512
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:25.920
has like it drives the song the same way as

513
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.559
the disco song does, the way you like the the clack,

514
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:32.599
the clack, the clactor. It gets it gets you pumping

515
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.440
right into it, but instead of dancing, you're shooting up

516
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:40.240
her it there. Like it has the same purpose but

517
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.960
for a different reason. And I love stuff like that,

518
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.559
and a lot of times that's all I'm doing. I'm

519
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.839
not stealing specific parts, but feel like this is a

520
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.680
weird part I'm like, ah, it's just like this froggy thing,

521
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.240
but underneath, like I'm playing a shoegazy kind of thing.

522
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.960
And that's all it is. It's just two laters, and

523
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.440
we always approached the music like that, where to me,

524
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:02.960
the rhythm section and the guitars are two different things.

525
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.039
The rhythm section has the gel, it's the beat, it's something,

526
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.440
and that's something as a basis I hate and most

527
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.720
rock and metal music is that the bass because you

528
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.920
have a rhythm guitar, and because you have a rhythm guitar,

529
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:20.000
the bass is kind of useless because there's a rhythm guitar.

530
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:24.680
Music should be a drum in the bass locked together

531
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.240
and then lead instruments floating over it. But you can't

532
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.039
do that when you're playing debt metal because all the

533
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.720
guitarists are playing rhythm. So what's the bass getna do?

534
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:33.480
But he's gonna do the exact same thing as the

535
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.519
guitar player, or he's gonna throw in a bunch of bills.

536
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.400
But you can't really start grooving when everyone's fast beating

537
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.160
and the drilling thirty seconds. So that is interesting for

538
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.400
that classic structure in that genre, and that's why I

539
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.920
go towards these kinds of genre. I want that classic structure.

540
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.200
I want the bass to lock in with the drums,

541
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:56.759
and I want everything else to float over it. And

542
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:58.319
that's why I can be like, oh, I wrote this

543
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:02.759
little tag be math rock kind of riff, what do

544
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.799
we do under it? And then me and the drummer

545
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.960
can we could write twelve different songs to go underneath

546
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.759
that same riff because we could go in so many directions.

547
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.440
And then and I finally I found like a drummer

548
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:22.319
the really he he he BoJack. I hate everything and

549
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.400
I'm sitting and he's just excited about everything. So I'm like, oh,

550
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.119
I've got this little rifts like White's so good. We

551
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.079
could do this, we could do that. I'm like, I

552
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.200
don't know, I got this, and I'm like, I've got

553
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.200
this one baseline. I'm not sure it works. It's fucking

554
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.720
amazing that work on it like super motivated, loves everything.

555
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:39.880
So like any idea I throw out there is like yeah,

556
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.200
and we could do this, and then and the bills

557
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.319
on there. But like on a different day, we would

558
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.599
write a completely different song with the same guitars, but

559
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.519
the drum and the bass would go in the different direction.

560
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.359
So that that's what I love. It's like the song

561
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.559
could be anything until we put a rhythm to it.

562
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.200
The guitars are just kind of floating there like all

563
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.240
und in resp the tempo and we can go half,

564
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:03.839
we can go the same. We can tell if the

565
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.720
guitars are at eighty, we can play at one sixty,

566
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.200
we can play at forty. Like we just have to

567
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.759
have a temple that that respects it. That's it. But

568
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.240
we can bring it in so many different directions. And

569
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.000
that's where like I'll write a song on guitar and

570
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.759
then go like, okay, so what do we do with

571
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.799
the rhythms, and then becomes a completely different song. So

572
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.920
it's like two versions of me wrote two different songs

573
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:25.480
and layer them.

574
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:27.000
Wow.

575
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.400
Now that made me think of something, okay, cuz you know,

576
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.559
I think of when Jason Newstead was in Metallica and

577
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.880
basically he said himself he used to follow James, like

578
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.880
he used to play with James instead of with Lars

579
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.240
and what you just said may and it makes sense

580
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.720
to me because I played drums for nine years before

581
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.279
I went to guitar, and to me, drums and bass

582
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.640
always go together. And they're the foundation of the song.

583
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.880
And so it's interesting that you said that too, and

584
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.240
that makes me wonder all this talk about how they

585
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.319
had in Justice for All, they took out the bass

586
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.720
down to very low. Now I'm wondering if that's because

587
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.039
of Lars insecurity or if it's because of what you're

588
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.880
saying that you know, you didn't really need the bass

589
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.440
because you had Hatfield playing and he was following Hetfield.

590
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.039
Yeah, Plus, when you've got one of the best rhythm

591
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.880
guitar players in the world, because that's what Hatfield was

592
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.880
with all that downpick and dude was like on another level,

593
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:35.680
like he's playing all the rhythms. What are you going

594
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.480
to do as a bass player. Plus, Lars isn't giving

595
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.279
you much with his basic beats. It's not like there's

596
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.240
a lot to sink your feet into. And it's It's

597
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.599
always something I felt when I played bass in debt

598
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:49.680
metal bands, where I'm like, you're class beating or you're

599
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.480
rolling your bass drums and like you're not giving me

600
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:58.279
anything syncopated the sick fat and as a bass player,

601
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.440
so a lot of times I would feel like I'm

602
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.880
the guitar on my bass because there's no way to

603
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.160
play babs. Wow, Like I gotta start throwing in little

604
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:11.119
octave lines and stuff for boating. I have to pitch

605
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:12.440
the guitar person.

606
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.200
So I have a I have a trivia question for you.

607
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.839
Then that made me think of do you know who

608
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.079
one of the most famous bass players was that was

609
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.720
not a bass player? He was just a bass player

610
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.480
because the band or he had two guitarists.

611
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.839
I feel like I've heard this one, but it's not

612
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.279
was it? Is it Rush? Is it Getty Lee?

613
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:50.680
No? But you're right, it's something I wouldn't think. You're right,

614
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.400
something you wouldn't think. You wouldn't think ever.

615
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.480
And and because he was a.

616
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.920
Guitar player first, he's considered one of the best bassis ever,

617
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.880
but people don't really know that, which is what's weird.

618
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:12.559
Paul McCartney, Kay, Paul McCartney, Yeah right, that, Yeah, it

619
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.119
drew the short straw. You know, like George and John

620
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.759
were already guitarist, he was a guitar so it's like, okay,

621
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.039
I'll play bass.

622
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.720
That's and honestly, I would like to say that bass

623
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.319
called to me or something. That's how I ended up

624
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.519
playing bass too. We were three friends. We were all

625
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.920
like eleven and twelve, and we were under the start

626
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.200
of the band, and I was just like they were

627
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.759
better than me. So they were like, Christmas is kind

628
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:43.200
of en up, You're not that good. How about you

629
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.160
asked for a bass. It's simpler to play. And then

630
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.920
I got a bass for Christmas and I kind of

631
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.079
ditched those guys. I went like, oh, I like this

632
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.680
a lot better than guitar. And then I started putting

633
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.960
in the hours and practicing and learning my instrument. But

634
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.799
I didn't pick it like they picked up for me.

635
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.200
They're like, yeah, you're the You're the third one where

636
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:03.039
we're a lot better. You should pick up the bass.

637
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:04.519
It's gonna be easier for you. And that's how I

638
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.279
ended up on the bass. So and I'd love to

639
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.719
say that it called to me, but nope, I ended

640
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.599
up on that instrument by accident or by default because

641
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.920
I wasn't that good on the guitar.

642
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.920
Well, see, there you go. Everything happens for a reason.

643
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.079
Here you are when Tumbleweed Dealer not to be found

644
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:26.000
on Facebook now and so tell everybody how they can

645
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.960
reach out to you on socials on the web. Get

646
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.960
the new album the newest album, and anything else you

647
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.920
want them to check out.

648
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.880
If you want you guys want to get the new album,

649
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.840
it's on band camp. Band camps always are prefer the

650
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:45.000
platform of choice because band camp actually pays their artists.

651
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.000
So if you guys want to buy digital media, go

652
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.000
on bank Camp. Most of the money goes to us.

653
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.559
That's like direct support. If you want to go on Spotify,

654
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:58.599
we are on Spotify. You have to. It's a it's

655
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.639
it's it's not a choice we enjoyed, but we are

656
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.960
on there because I mean, at the same time, I

657
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.960
understand it. It's the most convenient platform. And we we

658
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.000
don't make music that make money or else we wouldn't

659
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.639
make music that's this weird, So we make it for

660
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.760
you guys to listen to. So we did put it

661
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.800
on Spotify. That way, you can play it on the

662
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.920
car and follow us on Facebook. If you can find us,

663
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.119
good luck. If not, we're on Instagram. I'm even trying

664
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.280
this whole TikTok thing. Can't say I haven't tried everything

665
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.480
that got my music out there.

666
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.159
There you go, well TikTok. Actually, man, the algorithm for

667
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:40.239
musicians is absolutely incredible. I know some music groups and

668
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:44.239
musicians that I mean because of TikTok. They're playing like

669
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.880
the major festivals and they're like huge before they even

670
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.239
they went out and went to and played a show.

671
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.519
I really like the duet function on TikTok. I haven't

672
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.400
done any, but I watch a lot of them because

673
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.599
sometimes you end up with stuff would have never thought,

674
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.079
and like they're creating new genres. Like one guy was

675
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.360
playing the handpan. You know, it's this kind of steel

676
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.800
drum that you play. I love handpan music. It's good

677
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.920
to relax to. And he's explained like all people say, like,

678
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:14.480
what's the kind of stuff that's hard to play on

679
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.079
hand pants? Not this kind of stuff. It's this kind

680
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.639
of stuff but a little. But then all these other

681
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.920
musicians added their part. So when he goes it's this

682
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.920
kind of stuff. Well, you have a basis, You have

683
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.800
a dude rapping, You have a drum, like seven people

684
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.239
at their instruments on top of it, and now it's

685
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.960
this weird, shreddy handpan funk rap thing and you're like

686
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.400
it lasts thirty seconds. But I want a full album

687
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.480
of that kind of music. I'll never get it. I

688
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.599
stay awake at night going like I want to. It's

689
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.519
a thirty second of music that will never be recreated

690
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.239
that it's a genre that existed through one random TikTok

691
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.079
combination of seven musicians that did not know what the

692
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.880
other ones were going to do. Like the bass player

693
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:58.960
didn't know, the guy was gonna wrap, the guy rapping

694
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.360
didn't know that. So so it's like you can't recreate that.

695
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.360
It's like a weird That side of TikTok. I really

696
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.920
enjoy is when when people add like they're adding or

697
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.519
they're adding music that like someone's falling down the stairs

698
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.400
going what the one guy adds like a little sign

699
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:20.760
found like slop base, Like I love stuff like that.

700
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.719
That's my kind. I like music with humor too. Little

701
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.920
ship like that makes me laugh. So it think thought's

702
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:26.440
fun for that.

703
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:27.639
Yeah, it's pretty cool.

704
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.599
And you know, you mentioned the duot thing, and there's

705
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:35.280
one band that really worked for because the lead singer

706
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.760
in the band kind of had the similar look, similar sound,

707
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.119
similar actions as Jack Black, and so they stepped and

708
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.039
kept calling out Jack Black on TikTok and.

709
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:50.159
He do edited with them.

710
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.320
He edited with them. They went up to like a

711
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:59.639
million followers, and you know and it was like so cool.

712
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.079
You know, would that have ever happened in the eighties?

713
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.760
No? No, And it's it's one thing like we we

714
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.760
always lay shit on the technology, shit on like all

715
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.079
of these new TikTok music. Yeah, but at the same

716
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.880
time we're getting shit we could have never gotten before. Like, well,

717
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.119
what one video I watched recently was a guy took

718
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.920
the song girls Want to Have Fun, like from Just

719
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.639
Want to Have Fun from Sydney Lopper, and he made

720
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.400
it minor tea and then he made like a sad

721
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.280
song out of it. Wow, And I'm like, this is genius,

722
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.719
Like you wouldn't get this any time before, Like you

723
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.039
we needed to get to this point in human evolution

724
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.639
to have a guy go take a song from the eighties,

725
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.159
put it in the minor teed and put it on

726
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.039
YouTube as a sad ballad and it fucking works. Man,

727
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.360
it fucking works. Like you wouldn't think it works, but

728
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:53.320
it works. And so so I love shit like that,

729
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.960
Like there's a good side to this whole technology thing.

730
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.920
There's a good side to this whole ADHD media concern

731
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:03.039
ump thing where like, okay, yes, people are not buying

732
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.320
full albums as much, but we are getting some really

733
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.800
fucked up like thirty second videos as shit we could

734
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:11.599
never imagine before. Like it's and you got to kind

735
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.079
of follow it, like like you said, you can't be

736
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.280
that old guy. It's like it was better back and by.

737
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.760
It was better for musicians for sure, because people were

738
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.880
actually buying shit, But as a music fan, like I'm

739
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.440
really curious to see where all of this is going,

740
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.760
and I'm really into like electronic music for that reason,

741
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.599
Like kind of shit were like I could take music

742
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.599
that's being made now, and if I played it for

743
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.199
someone and like I went back in time in nineteen

744
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.280
fifty and I played it for someone that was listening

745
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.519
to Beach Boys, I'm like, oh, like the Beach Boys,

746
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.599
check this out. It's called Venetian snares. They would literally

747
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.440
fucking die. They would fucking die from listening to one

748
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:54.159
song of Venetians. Their brain would not comprehend anything going on,

749
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.360
and they would literally fucking die right there from one

750
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:03.679
song a Venetian snap because you can't even fathom. So

751
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.679
now I'm like, what the fuck's gonna music sound like

752
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.159
in twenty fifty. I love May twenty fifty just so

753
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.159
it can be like, oh, I would have never seen

754
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.079
this shit come in, And then I try to think,

755
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.760
like what the fuck are they gonna do? Like old

756
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.360
shit's coming back, New shit's coming Like they're gonna play

757
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.119
bagpipes over fart sounds and it's gonna sound great. I

758
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:26.519
don't know, like no idea where it's gonna go, but

759
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:30.679
like it is fun to watch that evolution, and yes,

760
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.880
like the new technology and the shorter video sometimes I do. Look,

761
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.800
I have a lot of musicians I love, and I'm like,

762
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.119
just release a fucking album. Release a fucking album. You're

763
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.079
really fucking good, But these thirty second videos are killing me.

764
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.039
Releasing fucking album focks it And like it's annoying because

765
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:49.480
but at the same time, it's like some of them

766
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:53.239
are better geared for videos there better geared to have

767
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:56.199
a visual attached to it. Like I'm a huge fan

768
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.840
of this one guy called the max Ostral. You ever

769
00:40:58.880 --> 00:40:59.760
heard of max Ostrol?

770
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.920
No, I'll have to check that out.

771
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.239
Look him up on YouTube. He plays fusion guitar. He's

772
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.800
a Russian kid. Like, first of all, you need to

773
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.800
see him play because the fingers and the stuff, but

774
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.639
also just he is a he's probably not eighteen anymore,

775
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.480
but he was eighteen at the beginning, looked like he

776
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.079
was twelve. He is Russian. He's got big eighties classes

777
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:26.519
and a curly mullet and just the whole thing. And

778
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.800
he just makes these faces like he'll view these jazz

779
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.360
legs like out and he looks like Kevin Good and

780
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.719
just the visual fits with everything, like he's just like

781
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.519
the ultimate eighties be but he looks like Screeched but

782
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.159
in the eighties on coke, and he's playing like Alan

783
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.079
and I It just it all works together, and I'm like, yes,

784
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.079
I want him to play in a band and release

785
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.480
a goddamn normal album, but no, instead he's making instructional

786
00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:00.280
videos and that's he's never released an actual goddamn song.

787
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.960
You just release his little licks and little videos and

788
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.159
then he peddles his DVD. But at the same time,

789
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.079
it's the perfect medium for him. You have to see

790
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.519
this dude player to appreciate and just the weird techniques

791
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.679
he does to get those sounds, like, to get to

792
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.119
see it makes that you appreciate it even more. So

793
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.480
it kind of works. Yes, I would want people to

794
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.000
start buying albums again because I like to make albums

795
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.800
and I like to listen to albums, but it's also

796
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.559
interesting to see where it's all going right now.

797
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.840
Well, one thing I really do love to your point

798
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.400
about the tech and technology nowadays, is it gave artists

799
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.159
more control and took it away from the record labels.

800
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.039
It's a lot of people will say, well, nowadays anyone

801
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:51.760
can record good why are exactly why are you gatekeeping?

802
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.079
Like I want as many people. Yes, we end up

803
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.199
with a lot of shitty fucking bands, but I mean

804
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.079
the percentage of good bands is the same. There's just

805
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.480
more music, so more good music ignored the sitting. There's

806
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.719
enough good music out there. You can ignore the sheeting

807
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.880
music and take the good and you don't have to

808
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:11.840
bitch about Well people can record in their bedrooms now, Yes,

809
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.119
that's a good thing. Now all the good musicians will

810
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.880
get out there instead of just the ones that are

811
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.400
cherry picked by record labels and radio stations and shit.

812
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:23.800
Exactly.

813
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.000
And now it's on the internet and we can all

814
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.679
go listen to whatever we find best about what their

815
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:32.000
feedings on the radio. There's nothing bad about that. There's

816
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.199
nothing bad about people being able to record on a

817
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.079
decent budget.

818
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.320
Yeah, no doubt. And the other thing that I think

819
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:40.159
is great about.

820
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:41.679
Technology, music's always a good thing.

821
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.320
It gets rid of the gatekeepers, Like you think about

822
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.960
back in our time, you know, you can only like

823
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.159
this kind of music and like we were talking about

824
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.559
and stuff like that, whereas I think technology nowadays allows

825
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.400
us to be able to enjoy multiple genres because it's

826
00:43:58.480 --> 00:43:59.159
just normal.

827
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.480
It's just normal. It's it's at your fingertips, So why

828
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.000
wouldn't you before? Like I would tape trade debt metal

829
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:11.559
bands in the nineties because, like I remember, you couldn't

830
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:13.559
even download an MP three, it was a real audio.

831
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.920
It took four hours and it sounded like shit once

832
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.039
you got it. We would tape trade on the internet

833
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.840
and then I look up someone's list. I'm like, oh,

834
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.000
I'll send you these five albums. You send me d

835
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.239
S five and then he'd add like a bonus album

836
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.559
for five because it's this obscure and that's like and

837
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.559
I get to say fun shit, and like it's an

838
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:33.480
asshole thing to do, but I get to say fun shit,

839
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.800
like oh, open, you're into the Open. I actually got

840
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.000
into them when they released their first album, like because

841
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.440
I was tape trading and people were sending me random shit,

842
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.360
like actually did discover Opeth when they just released Orchid.

843
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.039
I was like fifteen in Canada listening to the Swedish

844
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.400
band that no one knew, and like a couple albums

845
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.800
later they blew up. And same thing with Cattonia. I

846
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.039
was into them first album because I was tape trading

847
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:00.239
and shit, but it was hard. I couldn't really get

848
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.000
out and you know, I'm gonna get into jazz and

849
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.360
tape trade jazz, No, I was. I have to buy

850
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.320
tapes and ship them across the world. It was super complicated.

851
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.760
Now you're like, I wonder if I like jazz. You

852
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:13.119
just write jazz and YouTube and you listen and that's it.

853
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.360
Wasn't that fucking simple for us back then. So it's

854
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.679
like it's normal now because you have access to it,

855
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.639
and you're like you'd have to be just like playing

856
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.280
dumb to go like, no, I'm just gonna listen to

857
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.159
what jar and that's it because that's what I love.

858
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.039
And I really dislike people like that where they make

859
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.920
their whole person because it's not about the music, it's

860
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.360
about the scene, it's their whole personality. Is like, I'm

861
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:36.559
a punk I listened to punk music. I hang out

862
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.400
with punk people, and then they're like, because we're free spirits,

863
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.039
then yeah, like you only listen to people the music

864
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.239
that sounds exactly the same and only hang out with

865
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.960
people that think the exact same thing is you and

866
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.440
listen to the same band's super open minded to it. No,

867
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.599
I'm gonna hang out with the guy who listens to everything.

868
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.079
And I think it's like I'm the long hair.

869
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.159
I'm the long hair in the eighties that wasn't allowed

870
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.079
to go to punks, but I could go to a

871
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:06.360
Slayer show no problem. Yet it was so similar and

872
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.039
it was just stupid, you know, like the whole that

873
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.920
whole I had that happened recently. I was actually a

874
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.679
couple of years ago, I was dating the singer of

875
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.199
a hardcore punk band and.

876
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:23.960
She she uh had that old school punk thought process,

877
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.440
like she was very anti metal and punk's the only.

878
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.480
True blah blah blah blah, you know the bullshit. And

879
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.199
it's like, in two thousands, that's just stupid.

880
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:40.400
It's just when you've got so much stuff, it's just

881
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.519
there waiting for you to check it out. And I

882
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:44.199
think it's fun because you see a lot of younger

883
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.559
people getting into different meat, so and I like to

884
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.559
discover different music. I've been getting really into and sometimes

885
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:54.639
I'm like, oh, I'm I'm discovering this kind of music.

886
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.400
I'm like, I'm expanding my I'm into different stuff. But

887
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.880
then when you start going in the like and Reddit's

888
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.559
about it, like you're like, I'm so far behind, like

889
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.119
like I just got into aphx win last week, like

890
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.360
I'm super behind on that, but I'm getting into IDM

891
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.360
and aphx win and like butt their shin and stuff

892
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.679
like that. And then I'm looking it up and I'm

893
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.079
Reddit like people now are super us, Like I'm getting

894
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.079
into this bend and this band. What else would I like?

895
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.039
No one's gatekeeping, everyone's being cool. And then you can

896
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.280
see people like, oh, I'm sixteen and I just heard

897
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.480
aphx to Win. I'm like, well, I'm forty four and

898
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.400
I just heard aphex win. And then I want to

899
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.679
get into different and like you see these kids getting it,

900
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.639
like they're dis covering this niche shar from two thousand,

901
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.159
or like they're getting in the PROG from the seventies

902
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.519
or and it's fun because it's stuff I didn't branch

903
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.519
out into it's always a lot older because it was

904
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.159
just it wasn't as my at my fingertips as it

905
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:47.599
is now.

906
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.960
And I think about too when we were younger, especially me,

907
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:57.280
you know, cause I'm fifty eight and basically talking about

908
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.960
genres you're not. You have to spend are very hard

909
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.039
earned money on an album. You weren't gonna pick an

910
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.239
album that was outside your genre because you didn't want

911
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.079
to not like it and waste your money.

912
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.679
So exactly that's why we got micro. I remember, I

913
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.480
would not listen in this in the mid nineties. I

914
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.519
would not listen to a band if it wasn't from

915
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.360
Gotten Burce, Sweden in n all the good bands from

916
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.800
I would go to my local metal records show shop

917
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.960
and tell them what you have from Gottenburg, Sweden, and

918
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.480
then you'd get me a CD and it would be

919
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.440
an import for like forty five bucks or something, and

920
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.440
then you'd play it in the store and I'd be like,

921
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.280
it sounds exactly like the other bands that I like

922
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.800
from Gotten Bruce, Swede, and I wanted to visit Gotten Bruce, Sweden.

923
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.039
And apparently it's just this little role of town that

924
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.960
has nothing special but darctual Equality at the Gates and

925
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.599
the Flames. They were all from that one town, and

926
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.519
I was obsessed with bands from there, and I would

927
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.119
pay like so much to get these CDs important from

928
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.039
there because I was like, I zeroed in unto my sound.

929
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:03.880
But like I got forty five bucks, I ain't gonna

930
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.760
try it bad from England that I've never heard, right, So,

931
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.800
like I was getting, I would get a lot of

932
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.280
stuff on tape, reading and stuff. But yeah, but before

933
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.360
I'd spend my money, I would have to make sure

934
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.960
it's really up my alley. I really got into buying

935
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:22.960
used CDs. That's where I started maybe getting more even

936
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.559
used vinyls. That's how old I was. Now vinyls are

937
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:27.679
super expensive, but I was there when they were at

938
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:29.679
Bucks each and pond shops.

939
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.920
Oh, I have my my, my, uh my violent collection

940
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.880
right next to me, and sometimes I just rifle through

941
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:38.679
a look and I can.

942
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:39.920
I still have the.

943
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:43.559
Sticker on the album because it was a use out

944
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.119
and it says like one nine two ninety nine, and

945
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.800
I'm like, man, I remember that. I thought it was

946
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:51.800
such a deal. I didn't give a shit what it

947
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.320
sounded like because it was only two dollars you see.

948
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.360
That's that's why if you wanted to find music, you

949
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.360
found a way. But it was harder back then. When

950
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.559
I got in the I would go to these pond

951
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.599
shops and it was at the end of all these

952
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.840
final from like the seventies. They were all breaking down

953
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.519
and ships, so they were a buck each, but they

954
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.840
would they would scratch like hell. But still I would

955
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.960
walk in and I could walk out with fifty sixty

956
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.639
new albums for less than a day's worth of work.

957
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.679
And I was slinging hot dogs break bucks an hour.

958
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.960
But still I was getting fifty sixty albums at the

959
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:26.599
end of the day at the pond shop, which was

960
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.880
pretty good. So that's where I took my chances, and

961
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.639
that's where I got into different kind of stuff.

962
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:38.199
Love it well, man, your music is badass and everybody

963
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.280
definitely has to check it out and get it. And

964
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.679
by the way, it's funny you've mentioned Gothenburg because I've

965
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.679
played hockey on a Bondi field in Gothenburg.

966
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.679
I've never actually been. I've been to Europe, but I

967
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.079
didn't get to go to any Scandinavian country, so I

968
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:56.800
didn't get to see Gothenburg. I didn't get to see

969
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.000
the Oslo in Norway or any of the legendary plays

970
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.320
from all the bands that I was obsessed with when it

971
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:02.800
was a kid.

972
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:08.039
Yeah, right, And it was like there were some really

973
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:13.840
from from Dunberg, from you know, Norway, from from Finland,

974
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.719
these bands that just like I think about it, I'm like,

975
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.320
it must be because they have six months of darkness

976
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.400
that they can create this music like that.

977
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:26.320
Because it got nothing else to do but making else.

978
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.119
You the beer. And I also I think there I

979
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:33.320
remember reading that there're just the governments and the people

980
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.599
were kind of more supportive about even extreme music. I remember,

981
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.840
I think it's over over at some point, we're getting

982
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.480
government grants to make music.

983
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:43.519
Wow.

984
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.320
So I think there's a big part of that where

985
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.519
it was like even if it was extreme music, they

986
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.320
were getting some forms of support from the government and

987
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.119
the community and stuff. It wasn't as maligned as it

988
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.760
was at that point. Maybe in the States of Canada.

989
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.960
Well that's really cool. I didn't know that part. Man,

990
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.400
that's way cool. Well, I hope you see a lot

991
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.360
more of you, because you guys got some great music,

992
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.559
and uh, you know, I'm glad that you give us

993
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.679
your creativity because it is different, and I like different.

994
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:18.559
You know, I'm sick of listen.

995
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.320
You know, and if ever like you, guys, listen to it.

996
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.199
If it's for you, it's for you. If it's not,

997
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.199
it's not. But don't come tell me it sounds like

998
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:31.119
anything you've ever heard before. It'll at least be unique.

999
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.320
If you like it, you like it. If you don't

1000
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.679
like it, you will absolutely fucking hate it, and you'll go,

1001
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.880
who's the fucking dumbass that put all this shit together?

1002
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.079
It doesn't go together, but what it'll be an experience,

1003
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:43.199
So just give it a try.

1004
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:44.920
There it is well.

1005
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:46.920
Thanks a lot, and thanks for being on the Adventures

1006
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:47.400
a pipe Man.

1007
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:49.519
Thanks for having me have a great thing.

1008
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:55.159
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipe Man.

1009
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:03.679
I'm w for CUI Radio.