PipemanRadio Interviews Venom Inc at Banyan Live

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0:45 Farm? Within your judge, away. Your open This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And boy, this is a trick. I was just a ship. I'm usually like another country right now. And meanwhile, I'm only like ten minutes from the studio with one of my favorite bands ever playing at this local Banyan Live venue which is kick ass in our part of town in West Palm Beach. So let's welcome to the show. Venom ink. Hey, how you doing. Welcome everybody, and thank you for joining us. And here we are at the Benyon Live tonight. Oh my god.

1:26 Yeah. Well, I don't know if the people at the Banya Life know what they're in for. It's like it's like find those venues that you know back in the day. They didn't know that the band was just gonna totally destroyed a thing. Yeah, you know, I think they think, oh, this is the deminition Mane from Venymink and I'm joined by my opontoning crime. Here curR Murphy lead guitar for Venaminck Nice. And the thing is, you know. Back in the day, the same thing now is, you know, when we have a digital world where the kids are live inside their funds and they live inside the Internet, which is great and it's an amazing tool and it's like the world in your pocket. But what we experienced when we were young was that value of being there and the experience and the atmosphere, and so it's very important use to give them that and to you know, to look out during a shot and see you know, people our age or from the back in the day, old school they call it, you know, is normal. But to see young people in front of you, whyde eyed thinking what the fuck is this?

2:35 Well, the most amazing thing it is. And here's a good example. So I was just on ship Rocked and did something because they had an eighties theme. So I brought on my battle vest from the eighties and I haven't warned since I'm like sixteen, and the patches on it are ripped, there's blood on it. Everything on there tells a story. I drew all these logos and I was using entering interviews and it was like, all the bands are like, man, this is what we don't have today because now battle Vest you buy them pre made, and I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck is that they didn't even have a Slayer patch back in the day. So I took felt and I put Slayer on there. People fought in la that I was like a gangbanger and that was my gang name.

3:22 Yeah. No, I mean nowadays everything is like prepackaged and so easy to do. And you know, Tony was talking about, you know, like the og fans, you know, the original guys from back in the day, and then we have all these you know young I mean thirteen year old, sixteen year old's coming to the shows, know all the words, losing their minds when we start playing the legendary legacy songs and then they know all the venomink stuff too, and it's so awesome. And I feel like we've had, you know, a generation raised on smartphones and everything's digital. Everything is through a screen and even live shows and well but but this is where I'm going with this is these kids come to these shows and they get pummeled inundated with audio, with sound being moved by the actual air that we're moving on the stage. You know, Yeah, I jokingly the whole tour, I've been calling it the ultimate analog experience because we're not I mean, we're not using ant modelers, we're not going through the PA. You know, we literally have four x twelve guitar cabinets smashing air off the stage into these little kids' faces, who I don't think they've ever experienced it. And there's a magic there and an excitement that happens when you when you hear somebody just go raw on a guitar chord.

4:42 It's like, fuck, I want this. And so I think, I seriously think that we're coming to where this young generation is going to become addicted like with Vinyl. Who in a million years would have ever predicted that Vinyl would be the thing, And that analog experience of having to flip the record right, buying the record of Oh, we were just talking about it with all you hear about opening up the record and looking at the artwork and reading the lyric sheets, and that analog experienced, that quaint, little funny thing, Oh you have to pick up the record and turn it over instead of you know, steal a f I mean Spotify, where you know, you just have ten million options and there's no value to any of them.

5:27 Well, we were just talking about that. Now, think about some of the best songs in metal history. Most kids today from something like Spotify would not even get to the good part. You take like battery okay, yeah, sipe like you would swipe before it got to the brutal part. And we were talking about Fast as a Shark. Kids today we didn't know the one of the most iconic songs because they would hear that, I like, where was that? And move on? That's when we had when we you know, because we couldn't like when when let's say more Ahead, one of my favorite bands, they were bringing it a new album and they'd bring it a seven inch. The B side wouldn't be on the album. The side would probably be the title track. That would be it. So the only thing I could ever hear from the album until the album was released was that single Yeah, that got me excited.

6:17 They were then coming to play in town and the album would come with them. I didn't know what they were going to play because nobody would photograph the set list and put it on Facebook for me to read it for thirty days away, so I had to be there to hear what they were going to play. So my anticipation was already through the roof. And then I could buy the album of those songs i'd just heard, and you know, I would take it home. You'd order it. Probably, you'd go to the record store, buy it, sit on the bus going all the way home, grabbing it. You get in, you'd have to take the cellophane off. There's a whole process of getting the album, smelling it, touching it, putting it on, listening to the first side while you stared it an album cover, and the album cover could be interesting or could have fucking nothing on it but the name of the band, and you still stared at it while.

7:04 You were listening to the record, And then. It stopped and you put the other side on and stared at the album cover it. There was a whole tactile. And the lyrics, the lyrics. My kids are always like, how you know the lyrics to every single song? Freaking You spent your hard earned money as a teenager listen to these albums over and over and over again, with the lyrics in front of you and memorize them like you were part of the band. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know there was something that you know, Jeff Mansis always when he composed, would always go He always composed thinking about the audience and what when they're going to join us singing the chorus, like you just freeze.

7:46 You all sing the chorus, you might, you know, we all pretend we know the rest of the words as we do, but but everybody sings the chorus because it's like it's just part of. The experience, you know. And that came from that tangibility from them, from the records, from the releases which we had. So by the time you got to show, you were ready to sing the whole show for And you know, I've seen how to do it. I've done it myself when my voice went on shore in the audience, and I've seen a million acts. Why I've gone there and they just hold the mic out to the audience. Yeah, yeah, I remember. Some guy called especially when they forget the lyrics exactly. Yeah. But I've been at those shows like they forget that. You can tell they forgot the lyrics exactly.

8:28 Yeah. But also some guy with there is that, of course, but some I remember some guy on shore I can't remember Queen's right maybe or something, and he went like, yeah, for the ticket for hear him sing. I don't want to be singing. I went yeah, but it's not about that, it's. The experience your part of and you made that person. Like those are memories I have forever. You know that type of stuff. Yes, going all the way back. And then you and I were talking about this before in the interview. But so I lived in LA and I used to go to this w rec store, OZ Records in the valley. All its metal heads went there, and there was this store clerk there and you used to go in and he would hand you albums and I remember the first album he ever handed me was Welcome to Hell. And like I was telling you, there was nothing like that before that, Like you were listening to Priest and made In and you know. And then I remember going home and I looked at the cover. I was like, oh, that looks cool, because that's how we picked an out and we didn't know what it sounded like.

9:30 I looked at the album and it was like. Whoa or the people WHOA? They look cool? And then you listen to it, you would. You would buy albums off like Metal Blade Records. Yeah, well, clearly every band on that label is a Roadrunner Records, or you know, you would look for the label if you didn't know. So here's a trivia question for you. You mentioned Metal Blade Records. Do you know how that relates to what I'm saying. Brian, Brian Slagel was that store clerk Oz Records and and and Zazula's. Yeah, you know who I lost and I still, oh my god, missed them dearly. But you know, my mental my guru, John and Mosha, and that's so they began, they had their records, became megaphois.

10:23 And you know, look at them brilliant because like I was at the first Metallica shows ever in LA and then when they left us to go up to the Bay Area and left us with all the hair metal shit, and my bro used to hitchhike up to the Bay Area and to the real shows. And then they went to Jersey. I'm from Jersey and the Old Bridge Militia. I I moved back to Jersey, I lived there there. But Johnny was the only one that put Metallica on the map. Okay, because before that, yeah, nobody was putting them on the map. No okay, And you wouldn't have Metallica today if it weren't for them. I wouldn't have other bands because if it weren't for slay Go, you know.

11:05 And I told him a few years ago, I was like, man, you were just brilliant. That was like the most brilliant marketing move ever. He was like it that way. I was just a storic for it. But you know that seeing me anything, John and Mosha didn't mean it that way. Brian never meant it that way. Neat records. You talk about neat records, you know thy guys, Raven venom Ore, Dave had no idea. Dave would stand there and people go, so, what's your business money, I've got no idea. While he was eating his Indian courreer go right, I don't know what's going on. So it was driven. The point was it was driven by the kids. And the oldest can be the honest. But you know, if you if you know you, you you talk to the honest. There's still those kids took Billy. He's still a kid inside.

11:47 He's still that I'm the first one to jump into a pit and I'd had two heart attacks. There you go, there, you go exactly, you know exactly, and these were just it was. It was a scene that was created by the fans for the fans, and it's. Still the same way. And the corpor it's called it underground because they can't make cash from it. Once they can make cash from it, it kind of legitimizes it, but it is legitimate, you know. It's like I said earlier, you know the corporate companies who are the money. And everybody goes, oh, if we could just get a record deal, what do you want? A record deal? For all your best photographers, your best creatives, your best artists, your best journalists, your best musicians are already in the underground.

12:29 They poach in to pull you out so you can make a living at it. But we're already here. Imagine if we all just went you know what, fuck you and just held hands. We are the industry. Well you mentioned that other devil company over there, and like, if every artist in the world took their music off up there, yeah, then what are they gonna do? Exactly exactly, And I have friends that have done that. But unless everybody's doing it, it's not gonna do nothing because it's such a superpowerhouse. You need every single band. And I think you know, when metal was first becoming, you know, it was like Tony was saying, it was it was run by a bunch of kids. But and so the kids that could play had the bands, and then the kids that couldn't play but loved the music were the fans and the roadies, and they just they just wanted to make it happen and and and then you know, if it's if it feels like it was just a gang. Everybody was a gang. So even if you when you're trading tapes with someone in the UK, someone in la someone in New York, someone in Elkhart, Indiana, and suddenly you run into them and it's like, oh dude, it's you are You're already You're ready to kill for each other, You're ready to take a bullet, take a knife, whatever.

13:51 And that gang mentality of what metal is is something that you know, again, corporate whatever can't manufacture that. They can't make that out of plastic and put it in a shiny box and make you buite. And thank god, there's guys like you that have kept it real because you know, metal almost got destroyed because of the bands that did submit and not keep it real. I sat backstage when some of these bands that were cool before that were like the record labels are like, Okay, you're gonna dress like this, You're gonna play your music like this. And I wanted to be in music at the time, and I was like, fuck this, I'm not posing out for this shit for music. I'll pose out in the business world. I won't do it in music.

14:36 And that's the thing. Metal and music is something that it's a passion, you know, it's just and it shouldn't be turned into a business. It's just what you do, you know. And I mean if you if you can you know, to coin or use a modern turn of phrase, if you can monetize what. You do metal, Yeah, you should make money and you can. Then then you will be able to make your money, will be able to have your element of it as your business. I think I think that's a key thing. And I think the the key point is is that how much money do you want to make? Like, you know, because kids will looking go Metallica. You know, James has like fifty calls and and lost deals with oil paintings.

15:17 They also don't know when they was eating baloney sandwiches for no bread, with no bread for ten years, being. In a fucking van, sleeping in a fucking van for three or four years, two. Four bands on a floor in a room exactly. And then that's the bit they miss out. And it's like, yeah, so yeah, you want to make money, but but but it's you know, you're investing in people, you're investing in arts, You're investing in your creativity. You're not selling fucking mushrooms from a fucking mushroom farm. Or tires from the tire factory. Artists deserve to get paid. The problem is is when you bring the corporate people and the artists don't get paid. Yes, now it's Spotify, classic example, and how the industry laws was business model.

16:01 Everybody was right, and he came. Out and said I'm store. I remember walking into my local pub club Europe because Newcastle was ahaing of metal and going and everybody was talking about laws saying that, and I was like, but he's right, isn't he And they were like no, they're just money greedy and he wants more money, and. I said, I don't think that's what he wants. I said, there's a flip card being because if it all goes digital, then what how have you got control? And now all anybody complains about is the digital world in there. You're right, But for a corporation as a business model, why would you want to pay people to sell your records, talt your records around, build your records, store your records. I mean amount of money that costs to have storage, to have printing things. Well, that's a lot of money.

16:46 If I can just go there you go, it's digitally online. I pay one kind of service fee for all my catalog and then I. Make money from that. Brilliant. But then you have like a Peter front and going my taking taking them to court, going my biggest single of all time which has got a billion downloads, and I get checked for forty grand? Right, what where's my money going tooop? Which is why you have to support Bantam by their merch is that the only way they make their minds important. And if they just make enough so that they can keep doing it, that's the point. They don't need a house in Malibu, they don't need a fucking Ferrari, they don't need Gene Simmons lifestyle. They just need to make enough money that they can do it for a living and keep producing this or that we can all share.

17:34 Absolutely because it is the best therapy ever. And like I've said recently, with all stuff gone in the world, if we just had one music festival where the whole world had to go to it, we would stop all the bullshit that we're doing. Because at music festival, especially metal ones, there are no outsiders. There is no attacking. No, it's the gang. That's the gang, right, let's make the whole world. You go, you go to you know. Rock Plus in Romania or fucking you know, and and you see these Bloodstock. I loved the community at Bloods and I covered that every year. We talked about and like just a community, these multi day these multi day festivals and people go to these things.

18:19 It's like, well, I don't like every band on there, but I like a lot of the bands on there. And then you go and you meet other people that you don't fucking know. You crack a beer, you hang out, you head bang, mosh, have a great time. You camp out, get wild, get have fun. And that's that gang mentality of metal. No doubt. I may not like that band, but they're Metals, so they're my brothers. I'm fucking ready to go to war with them. Well, and that's the thing, that's. Why you should say that, Because there's one of the festivals I covered. It was all over the news where MGK started saying shit about Corey Taylor. Do you remember that?

19:00 Do you remember that? That's a door? Okay? And David Drayman, cause Disturbed performed next, got up and said he basically spoke directly MGK. And he's like, because MGK said something about some tired old fifty year olds, blah blah blah, and he goes, this fifty year old will kick your fucking ass, you know, and everybody, every other band they got all on Corey's side and all banded together because you don't fuck with the metal family. No, you don't. And you and if anything, if anything proves anything about metal, the longevity of metal right now, what in my head will be the eternity of metal is the fact that you've got a band like Iron Maiden still going.

19:52 And not sucking and not not sucking. He's not detuning, not going to tracks, not on clicks, not on trigger fuck you, they're playing. Yeah, and you got a band like Venam main fuck you were playing, you got a band like slip Knot, Metallica still playing. You know, I remember when I was working one of my shitty fucking jobs, you know, when I was a kid. And okay, O, hey you along here, you know my boss? Oh, you want to be a fucking rock star hunt And I'm like, well, not a rock star, but I want to be a musician. I want to be on a record label. I want to make records. I want to tour, I want to have fun and all this stuff. I want to play guitar for a living. What happens when you turn thirty and it doesn't happen like, well, there's always time to go to college, there's always time to get a regular job.

20:36 What happens if nothing happens? Like there's people? But then, but then the first the very first professional band that I played for, I realized that some of the guys in the band were almost forty Oh heaven, forefend and then and then and then you know, you see like Motorhead, let me let me play almost till the day he died. How about this, Well, look Ozzie, but how about this? When I was a teenager in the eighties. The bands I were going to see were all my age. I've noticed this recently, Okay, I'm like, this is freaking phenomenal because when I was a teenager, we wouldn't be going to see fifty year old's play metal. We would It was like Metallica was only a couple of years older than me, Slayer was the same age as me, Like they were all we were all the same age. And now I go to festivals and man, you see Metallica, okay, like at Hellfest and you have one hundred thousand kids that are watching these dudes that are in their late fifties and sixties, or people that are going to Ozzie.

21:41 Look at Ozzy, man, No, I mean, like, who would have thought Ozzie'd even be alive? Didn't? Oh my god, everything he did it is is life. It's amazing. But people would if he went out there today, people would go see him, of course, at any age. Or I see people at shows wearing kids are like four, five, six, seven wear Misfit shirts and they know exactly and they know the miskit. Yeah, Grandpa, Grandma and grandpa bringing them to rock shows. That's me so now you know when you. Know, metal was beginning in the in the late seventies early eighties, and it was like like I said earlier, you know, the kids that could play had the bands.

22:26 The kids that couldn't play were the fans. And it's and it became this thing. And now that it has continued and not feel oh, this this fad is going to go away. Grunge killed metal, pop killed metal, hit killed middle metal. And now you've got you know, the children of the people of those kids that were fans and the children of the children. I've taken my son in his first mosh pet he's now forty, and I've taken my two of my grandsons in their first mosh pets. Again, I know I said it earlier, but on this tour, I'm looking at sixteen year olds. There was a a girl with her dad. Her dad drove her two hours to our concert at the King of Clubs. Thirteen years old.

23:11 Knew every word, every word of every song, and we would start a song and she literally it was like Beatlevania. This little girl would lose her mind and then start singing all the words. And at the end of the show and everyone that has ever met one of their heroes in metal. She walks up to me and she goes, your music has gotten me through so much shit in the last year. It has saved my life. And I'm like, you're thirteen years old. I can't believe you're telling me the same story that if I ever get to meet James Hedfield I get. I'm gonna tell James Headfield. Because and it's that universal and now this generational thing that just it will not fade, It cannot fade, It can only continue to be.

23:57 Well if I think about it too. Okay, So what did my dad listen to shit like Frank Sinatra? There was not that connection you have now, you didn't see that, and now, like to your point, you have that connection multi generational because it was the beginning of metal, you know, Like, no, I mean, here's a funny thing, Okay. One of my interviews went viral like everywhere. It was with carmina Piece and we were talking about what bands were metal, what wasn't, and it was this is why when viral he said, I don't think Black Sabbath was the first metal band.

24:39 I think Metallica was. And he was talking about the Jigsaw guitar. But then there's people that I was doing searches. You know, if you do a Google search what genre is led Zeppelin metal? It says believe it or not, But they did have metal. Shit. Some communication breakdowns are pretty metal freaking song you know back then, or like Mountain Okay, that was cream, but you had this evolution and then but that's it. Now you have a band like that. Amazing. It's that influence, influential evolution of music. You know what you're drawing from all of these things and making it into something else, and it's a natural step. I mean, you talk about that the classifications, and that was the whole idea why black Metal was made. That album was made because when the interview took place, the guy was sitting there with a fucking copy of Korrang and on the cover was John bon Jovi and he was going, like, so metal band?

25:40 He went, is that metal? He went well kind of yeah. And they went, well, if that's fucking heavy metal, if that's metal, we're not fucking metal then. But what are you? They went black metal and the album was there. Now it's a genre and you have young kids who are into black metal with all the face painting and stuff. It's a genre, and they go, well, Venoms not really black met. I know, I was gonna say that, what's actually it's like, you know, my point is, actually, if you look at it critically, Venom of the only black metal band because they said, that's what we play our music, the where we play it is black metal, and so the genre is has taken the title more influenced by Basteries than Venom, really.

26:23 But that so sound wise it's different. But you know they've they've chronosis said this so many times as well. They should have maybe called it something else, because now you have fifty black metal bands, it all sounds similar. And that's something that I talk about all the time. Now. It's like metal almost has an algebraic equation nowadays to make the songs, whereas back in the. Day they didn't have. Everybody was experimenting, so nobody sounded the same. You couldn't have got prog rock, you couldn't have got yes. If they were you could got easier. If they were trying to paint by numbers. Noo, you painted by numbers. And that's why you say Zeppelin great or purple. You know, you couldn't wear purple metal probably not probably blues now, but then you're listening to Speed both fucking Hell, Fireball or whatever, you know, and at speed King, you know they were it was blues, but it was fucking metal as well. So it's like, you know, there was moments happening all the time because they just didn't have any rules.

27:21 Well, that's like Metallica was originally considered power metal because there was no such thing as thrash metal. And that's what Venom called themselves power metal on the record. If you look at what what does it say, it doesn't black metal. It says power metal and metallicas power metal. Because it was like, well, we want, we want to say that we're in this boiling pots of this area, but we're not copying each other. We're influenced by each other, but we're not copying each other. And now you have the genres like death metal, which is amazing, you know, all the genres I love, and there's amazing bands and all, but the young kids are like copying their favorite band. It's like you don't have to be them, you have to be you. When I would go to a concert, I might see you know, Judas Police more head, ac DC, fucking Foreign out Rows tattoo. None of them sounded like each other. They were all totally different, but they were all in my ass.

28:14 What blows my mind at Hellfest is the idea that there's a black metal stage and a death metal stage to even separate those two genres to one specific stage. And that's the point, you know, this to us, it is this is a gloves off tour. It's freaking bend of the fighting because I have one I have one man with a Salem's child who promoting the record through pavement and they're amazing, but they're very different to us. And then the undercord. I wanted to leave clean, so I want the best bands from wherever we are to come and play. So when people say it to me, well, mel's really shit here and there's not really a lot going on. It's like all these bands are right on your fucking doorstep.

28:54 Get off your fucking horse like we did, and go and listen to it. It's right there. You only have to go to the tree to pick the apple. If you don't go to the tree, you have no apples. It's outside. To get off your arster beds and pick one. Don't wait for your mom to come back from fucking Walmart with them. They're right fucking there, go teaste the fruits. And that's what it's about. So that's why we're doing this. So it is stripped down, it is just in your face, but it's it's exposing the great wealth of music that was spawned from America. You know, from the Delta Blues, all the way through Elvis, through fucking Bill Early in the Comments one of my favorites, and all the way through history. It's like, you know, the world got rock and rule out of America. So to stand there and try and tell me that it's dead, it's like you must be fucking joking.

29:41 All you have to do is go some of these festivals nowadays, and that is a million people, Like listen, I would never imagined back in the day that you would have a festival where one hundred thousand metal heads. Ever, like I used to go see Slayer with twenty four of my Faxactly that was it. Exactly. Know, when I'm in the middle of an Arizona and I'm sitting in a truck stop and there's a kids serving burgers to fat truck as and she's got a couple of piercings in a tattoo, and she's dressed in black, and she looks like desolate because she lives in a town where people are going and she's some kind of freak because she doesn't I don't even understand what she listens to. And I touch her and go. You know, if you go online, which is the advantage of the there's another person on the other side of the planet you don't know, you've never met, feels exactly like you.

30:28 And if you come to. Vacking one day, you'll see there's a million people who are just you. That's your community. That's who we are, you know, And and you know, I'm appaused. I hear underground, Yeah, underground, Yeah, underground all the fucking time. It's like, what is the underground? Where's this underground? I don't see any underground. I just see us. I don't think it is anymore. And you know, I think that's like a teenage thing, yea, you know, because you grow up. I mean happened to me. Listen when Mataka did the Black album, Like me and my twenty five friends, we were like fucking pos er sellouts. We're never listening to them again. They're still one of my favorite bands, you know, but if they did, when you get older, you realize if they didn't pave that way, we wouldn't have the scene we have today. Then it truly would have gotten killed.

31:17 Exactly. It can't stay underground forever and survive. Yeah, you need a flag bearer. Zeta were a flag bearer, the Beatles, yeah. And and and Elvis was a flag bearer and very but then Purple so I said, yeah, well you need the next one. So to see, well, it began at this point, it was always coming. It was always there. We were just discovering as technology improved, guitars improved. Yeah, they were making their first guitars, you know, and it just gets better and better. It's endless and it's gonna be amazing. And I'm still profiting, you know, from the pandemic.

32:00 From the pandemic that what's going to happen is we're going to have the next evolution. It's bubbling right now and it's going to pop up and it could be the next Pantea, or it could be the next Metallica, it could be the next whatever, but it's coming. And I just think, you know, those kids were locked down. What could they do? Some of them turned to music. Some of them started playing music and writing music. And they're out there somewhere and I want to expose that. I want to find them and just got dejo platform called Chins the World. Just call Chins the World. Starting too, by the way, because there's this band. They were on ship Rock. They've been on a bunch of festivals. I met the band because I was covering Louder than Life. They did the old school thing of they drove up and they crashed the party. They were in the parking lot.

32:45 They set up their trailer and played and Danny Wimmer came out and was standing out there watching them instead of kicking them out of there, and he brought he goes you know, he put them on the stage the next day. Their name is Silly Use and they are like what it was back in the day exactly. You know, Metallica played the first show that they did the hammer Smith Audion And I don't know if you know Warfare Evil from Warfare he was. He did a lot of work with Lemmy and and Uh and Eddie and and Algie Ward from Tank and he was in the Angelic Op Scots for a bit, and he created this metal punk band called Warfare and they were Neat Records and Metallica playing in the hammer Smith's Audion and Evil was like he was a drum vocalist, a bit like Damn Belcap from you know, Excire, and he was like, we have to be on that bill.

33:35 We have to be on that bill. And of course a regularly with Dave Woods, you know, who didn't even know what was going on, was like, I don't know how to make that happen. It was like, but we have to be on there, and they didn't have management, and in the end it was like it's not going to happen. So he's like, okay. So they rented a fucking van who they put all their gear in the van, they drove down to Hammersmith's Audion and they pulled up outside in the the on the pavement. So off the road on the pavement. They pulled out, threw the back down really quick, set everything in with the generator and started playing and they played the full set before the police fucking went what. Are you doing? You know? I was like create, So all the fans outside waiting to go.

34:17 Fanci he gooosted a subway show. They went in a subway car set up and we're playing as the subway was gone. And you know, I sat on those points. I said, you know when kids are going yeah, but you know, I want to do this, and but I haven't got this and I haven't got that. I said, you know what, for the first five years of me doing this ship, I didn't own one piece of equipment. I'd knock on someone's door and go, can I borrow your bass? Have you got a pedal? Can I borrow your little lamp? And that's how I did it, and then I take them back the next day. So the point is, if you want to do it and the subway thing evil with it, you just do it. Nothing will stop you. And that's because that's what you're destined to do. There's a difference. There's there's two guys or girls or people.

35:02 You know. One is a in a band and either as a musician now going in the band or go in the band. A person in the band might get turned off at some point leaving just to a regular job because it hasn't happened. And I had these ambitions and I don't play anymore. I mean play for fun, the. Musician never retires. They'll be there until they die. Play. Well, I look at it this way you were saying before about rock star. I think it's like that there's two types of people. They're the ones that go, oh, I want be a rock star, and then there's the ones that want be a musician. Yeah, yeah, totally different. Rock star whatever that is, it doesn't.

35:43 Even really exist anymore anyway. For years, I used to hear Gene Simmons and I and them seeing what I'm in it for the pussy, and I was like, you know, I'm straight and I love pussy. But I'm never in it for pussy. I was in it to their music to people because I spend all my time talking to people because I love their energy. I like seeing the glint in their eyes. When you know what happens when you're in it for the pussy. You become a hair metal fucking band. Well, we're definitely not hair metal. You can see exactly, Yeah, right exactly, And I have to say, like, what the hell. That's why metal went away for a little while, not because of grunge. It's because you took metal and made it not metal. It needed to be, it needed to be purified.

36:37 You know. I remember when grunge was happening and everybody was like, well, dude, are you pissed about grunge killing metal? I'm like, didn't kill my metal. No, I'm still doing what I do. Yeah, and that, And you know, the timeline of what grunge was, of what happened, you know. Is so short. Yeah, it's only a few years. And the number one records at. The height of grunge the Black album Far Beyond Driven, you know. I mean, motherfucking Hitter records, Hitter Records and albums that we're still talking about today that still sell sell a million copies of year. And where's where's grunge exactly?

37:22 I mean there's still there's still you know, Stone Tuble, Pilots and you know. Listen, Kirk Kobe was a punker. He was a punk guy. He hated the fact that he became huge. Yeah, totally hated it, totally. He stopped touring when they were a big tour because he just wanted to sit in the room and play music with Courtney. Yep. Yeah, he won all that other ship, all that other bullshit. Sorry, I think because fundamentally it wasn't about the rock star. It was about the expression. He was an artist, you know, and and Grohl will say the same thing. You know, he was an artist. He wanted to just express himself, you know, read or your velvet underground, that kind of thing. It's it's one of the things when people I hear people say, you know, negatives about then Danzig. You know, we toured with Danzig.

38:08 He was very he was amazing to be worried. He was so generous and so kind and I'd watch him and just think, you know, he's misinterpreted that guy. People like to talk shit without knowing the person, or just look at he's. An andy wahole, or you know, he's just out there Tom Tom from a trip to corn. You know. Hell Hammer the same kind of person with his relationship with guy guy. You know, he's like he sees everything is images and arts and I'm like, fucking hell, these guys are painting painting. That was a perfect example too, because that was another album that was handed to me by Brian was hell Hammer. Yeah, and like I was just oh, my fucking god. And you know, kids today they would have to wait like fifteen minutes before they got to the song because that whole album was just it's like one.

39:00 Big noise, you know, and when and when they turned around to Tomas, which was like, he's a dear friend. And when they turned around and said we want you to, you know, do hell Hammer shows. He said no initially and everybody was trying to get him to do it, and he was like, when we did hell Hammer, you was all said, we were ship use all fucked us off. You wouldn't give us a time of day, and now you want to make money out of it. I'm not interested, right. I mean, he capitulated in the. End boards, which I'm glad he did so a new generation can hear these things live. But I respected that because it was like we didn't care about us when we were starting because it was corporate. You know, the corporates are now going, oh, oh, you've got a lot of fans. What you likes on face?

39:44 But that's the first. Fucking thing when you join an agency or anything corporate, they go, how many likes have you got on Instagram? What? What is that? Some guy in fucking caller Lumpa is coming to my show tonight. He didn't call it, what time is your set? Anyway? Because we don't want to miss your set. We have no idea. Well, we're gotting closer. I've got no idea. See, I'm glad I said something. Mate. Maybe we should end the interview because you might have a show to do. Good night, Thank you very much for joining us, and next week we'll be talking about your favorite recipes from the Junkyard. We love you and good night.

40:25 I love it venom Ink here in West Palm Beach. I didn't have to fly all over the world to come see, in which I would. And you'll know that walked, he walked literally. I think I got my skateboard. And what can we expect tonight? In like five minutes. Once again the full furious analog experience, heavy metal, loudest fuck, smashing you with sound, throwing notes at you. That's what you can expect it of a Mink show. Absolutely every night. I can't wait, and I'm neither can I fucking it's gonna be badass. I was. There's not many times, because I do this so much at somebody could say, wow, I'm super excited. You know, I love it. I'm excited tonight because we're going to be at vendomin excited every time I get on the stage.

41:11 That's the way it should be. That's the way it should be. That's why bands like you are great. Is that attitude, because it portrays when we're watching you on stage. So I love it. Thanks you guys for being here. Thanks thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Yeah we love you. Good night. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipe Main on w for CUI Radio.