Jan. 31, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Venom Inc at Banyan Live

Join Pipeman on this electrifying episode of The Adventures of Pipeman as he welcomes the legendary band Venom Inc. to the show! Broadcasting live from the vibrant Banyan Live venue in West Palm Beach, Pipeman dives deep into the world of heavy metal...

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Join Pipeman on this electrifying episode of The Adventures of Pipeman as he welcomes the legendary band Venom Inc. to the show! Broadcasting live from the vibrant Banyan Live venue in West Palm Beach, Pipeman dives deep into the world of heavy metal with bassist and lead singer Tony "Demolition Man" Dolan and lead guitarist Curran "Beleth" Murphy, exploring the raw energy and unique experiences that live performances bring to both fans and musicians alike.

As they reminisce about the golden days of rock and roll, Pipeman, Tony, and Curran discuss the significance of the analog experience in a digital age, the magic of live music, and the powerful connection between generations of metal fans. Hear their thoughts on the evolution of the genre, the importance of supporting underground artists, and the joy of witnessing young fans passionately singing along to classic hits.

This episode is a tribute to the spirit of metal, showcasing the camaraderie among fans and artists alike, and emphasizing the importance of keeping the music scene alive. Expect a lively conversation filled with nostalgia, insights, and a whole lot of metal magic!

00:00 The Pipe Man welcomes Venom to the show on W4CY radio
05:05 You have to pick up the record and turn it over, right
09:47 Mod says Metallica wouldn't have existed without Metal Blade Records
13:51 Gene Simmons: Metal should not be turned into a business
19:01 MGK said something about some tired old 50 year olds in metal
23:58 Black metal was originally considered power metal because there was no such thing as 28:14 Hellfest is exposing the great wealth of music that was spawned from America
32:29 I met Silly Goose when I was covering Louder Than Life
37:23 GR: Kurt Cobain hated becoming huge. Yeah, totally hated it. He hated the fact that he became huge
40:25 Pipeman says he's excited to see Venom Inc perform at Banyan Live tonight. Don't miss out on this exhilarating episode!

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Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And boy,

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this is a trick. I was just a ship. I'm

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usually like another country right now. And meanwhile, I'm only

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like ten minutes from the studio with one of my

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favorite bands ever playing at this local Banyan Live venue

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which is kick ass in our part of town in

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West Palm Beach. So let's welcome to the show. Venom ink.

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Hey, how you doing.

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Welcome everybody, and thank you for joining us. And here

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we are at the Benyon Live tonight.

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Oh my god.

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Yeah.

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Well, I don't know if the people at the Banya

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Life know what they're in for. It's like it's like

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find those venues that you know back in the day.

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They didn't know that the band was just gonna totally

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destroyed a thing.

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Yeah, you know, I think they think, oh, this is

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the deminition Mane from Venymink and I'm joined by my

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opontoning crime.

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Here curR Murphy lead guitar for Venaminck Nice.

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And the thing is, you know.

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Back in the day, the same thing now is, you know,

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when we have a digital world where the kids are

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live inside their funds and they live inside the Internet,

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which is great and it's an amazing tool and it's

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like the world in your pocket. But what we experienced

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when we were young was that value of being there

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and the experience and the atmosphere, and so it's very

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important use to give them that and to you know,

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to look out during a shot and see you know,

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people our age or from the back in the day,

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old school they call it, you know, is normal. But

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to see young people in front of you, whyde eyed

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thinking what the fuck is this?

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Well, the most amazing thing it is.

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And here's a good example. So I was just on

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ship Rocked and did something because they had an eighties theme.

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So I brought on my battle vest from the eighties

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and I haven't warned since I'm like sixteen, and the

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patches on it are ripped, there's blood on it. Everything

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on there tells a story. I drew all these logos

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and I was using entering interviews and it was like,

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all the bands are like, man, this is what we

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don't have today because now battle Vest you buy them

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pre made, and I'm like, what the fuck? What the

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fuck is that they didn't even have a Slayer patch

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back in the day. So I took felt and I

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put Slayer on there. People fought in la that I

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was like a gangbanger and that was my gang name.

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No, I mean nowadays everything is like prepackaged and so

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easy to do. And you know, Tony was talking about,

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you know, like the og fans, you know, the original

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guys from back in the day, and then we have

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all these you know young I mean thirteen year old,

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sixteen year old's coming to the shows, know all the words,

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losing their minds when we start playing the legendary legacy

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songs and then they know all the venomink stuff too,

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and it's so awesome. And I feel like we've had,

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you know, a generation raised on smartphones and everything's digital.

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Everything is through a screen and even live shows and

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well but but this is where I'm going with this

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is these kids come to these shows and they get

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pummeled inundated with audio, with sound being moved by the

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actual air that we're moving on the stage. You know, Yeah,

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I jokingly the whole tour, I've been calling it the

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ultimate analog experience because we're not I mean, we're not

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using ant modelers, we're not going through the PA. You know,

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we literally have four x twelve guitar cabinets smashing air

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off the stage into these little kids' faces, who I

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don't think they've ever experienced it. And there's a magic

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there and an excitement that happens when you when you

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hear somebody just go raw on a guitar chord.

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It's like, fuck, I want this.

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And so I think, I seriously think that we're coming

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to where this young generation is going to become addicted

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like with Vinyl. Who in a million years would have

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ever predicted that Vinyl would be the thing, And that

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analog experience of having to flip the record right, buying

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the record of Oh, we were just talking about it

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with all you hear about opening up the record and

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looking at the artwork and reading the lyric sheets, and

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that analog experienced, that quaint, little funny thing, Oh you

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have to pick up the record and turn it over

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instead of you know, steal a f I mean Spotify,

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where you know, you just have ten million options and

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there's no value to any of them.

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Well, we were just talking about that. Now, think about

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some of the best songs in metal history. Most kids

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today from something like Spotify would not even get to

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the good part. You take like battery okay, yeah, sipe

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like you would swipe before it got to the brutal part.

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And we were talking about Fast as a Shark. Kids

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today we didn't know the one of the most iconic

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songs because they would hear that, I like, where was that?

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And move on?

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That's when we had when we you know, because we

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couldn't like when when let's say more Ahead, one of

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my favorite bands, they were bringing it a new album

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and they'd bring it a seven inch. The B side

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wouldn't be on the album. The side would probably be

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the title track. That would be it. So the only

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thing I could ever hear from the album until the

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album was released was that single Yeah, that got me excited.

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They were then coming to play in town and the

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album would come with them. I didn't know what they

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were going to play because nobody would photograph the set

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list and put it on Facebook for me to read

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it for thirty days away, so I had to be

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there to hear what they were going to play.

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So my anticipation was already through the roof.

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And then I could buy the album of those songs

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i'd just heard, and you know, I would take it home.

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You'd order it.

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Probably, you'd go to the record store, buy it, sit

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on the bus going all the way home, grabbing it.

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You get in, you'd have to take the cellophane off.

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There's a whole process of getting the album, smelling it,

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touching it, putting it on, listening to the first side

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while you stared it an album cover, and the album

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cover could be interesting or could have fucking nothing on

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it but the name of the band, and you still

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stared at it while.

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You were listening to the record, And then.

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It stopped and you put the other side on and

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stared at the album cover it.

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There was a whole tactile.

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And the lyrics, the lyrics. My kids are always like,

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how you know the lyrics to every single song? Freaking

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You spent your hard earned money as a teenager listen

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to these albums over and over and over again, with

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the lyrics in front of you and memorize them like

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you were part of the band.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely, And you know there was something that you know,

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Jeff Mansis always when he composed, would always go He

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always composed thinking about the audience and what when they're

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going to join us singing the chorus, like you just freeze.

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You all sing the chorus, you might, you know, we

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all pretend we know the rest of the words as

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we do, but but everybody sings the chorus because it's

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like it's just part of.

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The experience, you know.

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And that came from that tangibility from them, from the records,

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from the releases which we had. So by the time

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you got to show, you were ready to sing the

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whole show for And you know, I've seen how to

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do it. I've done it myself when my voice went

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on shore in the audience, and I've seen a million acts.

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Why I've gone there and they just hold the mic

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out to the audience. Yeah, yeah, I remember.

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Some guy called especially when they forget the lyrics exactly.

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Yeah.

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But I've been at those shows like they forget that.

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You can tell they forgot the lyrics exactly.

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Yeah.

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But also some guy with there is that, of course,

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but some I remember some guy on shore I can't

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remember Queen's right maybe or something, and he went like, yeah,

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for the ticket for hear him sing.

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I don't want to be singing. I went yeah, but

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it's not about that, it's.

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The experience your part of and you made that person.

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Like those are memories I have forever. You know that

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type of stuff. Yes, going all the way back. And

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then you and I were talking about this before in

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the interview. But so I lived in LA and I

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used to go to this w rec store, OZ Records

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in the valley. All its metal heads went there, and

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there was this store clerk there and you used to

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go in and he would hand you albums and I

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remember the first album he ever handed me was Welcome

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to Hell. And like I was telling you, there was

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nothing like that before that, Like you were listening to

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Priest and made In and you know. And then I

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remember going home and I looked at the cover. I

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was like, oh, that looks cool, because that's how we

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picked an out and we didn't know what it sounded like.

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I looked at the album and it was like.

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Whoa or the people WHOA? They look cool? And then

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you listen to it, you would.

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You would buy albums off like Metal Blade Records.

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Yeah, well, clearly every band on that label is a

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Roadrunner Records, or you know, you would look for the

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label if you didn't know.

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So here's a trivia question for you. You mentioned Metal

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Blade Records. Do you know how that relates to what

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I'm saying. Brian, Brian Slagel was that store clerk Oz

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Records and and and Zazula's.

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Yeah, you know who I lost and I still, oh

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my god, missed them dearly. But you know, my mental

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my guru, John and Mosha, and that's so they began,

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they had their records, became megaphois.

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And you know, look at them brilliant because like I

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was at the first Metallica shows ever in LA and

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then when they left us to go up to the

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Bay Area and left us with all the hair metal shit,

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and my bro used to hitchhike up to the Bay

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Area and to the real shows. And then they went

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to Jersey. I'm from Jersey and the Old Bridge Militia.

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I I moved back to Jersey, I lived there there.

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But Johnny was the only one that put Metallica on

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the map. Okay, because before that, yeah, nobody was putting

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them on the map. No okay, And you wouldn't have

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Metallica today if it weren't for them. I wouldn't have

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other bands because if it weren't for slay Go, you know.

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And I told him a few years ago, I was like, man,

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you were just brilliant. That was like the most brilliant

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marketing move ever.

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He was like it that way. I was just a

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storic for it.

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But you know that seeing me anything, John and Mosha

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didn't mean it that way.

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Brian never meant it that way. Neat records.

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You talk about neat records, you know thy guys, Raven

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venom Ore, Dave had no idea. Dave would stand there

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and people go, so, what's your business money, I've got

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no idea. While he was eating his Indian courreer go right,

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I don't know what's going on. So it was driven.

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The point was it was driven by the kids. And

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the oldest can be the honest. But you know, if

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you if you know you, you you talk to the honest.

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There's still those kids took Billy. He's still a kid inside.

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He's still that I'm the first one to jump into

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a pit and I'd had two heart attacks.

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There you go, there, you go exactly, you know exactly,

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and these were just it was. It was a scene

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that was created by the fans for the fans, and it's.

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Still the same way.

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And the corpor it's called it underground because they can't

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make cash from it. Once they can make cash from it,

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it kind of legitimizes it, but it is legitimate, you know.

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It's like I said earlier, you know the corporate companies

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who are the money.

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And everybody goes, oh, if we could just get a

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record deal, what do you want? A record deal?

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For all your best photographers, your best creatives, your best artists,

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your best journalists, your best musicians are already in the underground.

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They poach in to pull you out so you can

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make a living at it. But we're already here. Imagine

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if we all just went you know what, fuck you

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and just held hands.

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We are the industry.

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Well you mentioned that other devil company over there, and like,

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if every artist in the world took their music off

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up there, yeah, then what are they gonna do? Exactly exactly,

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And I have friends that have done that. But unless

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everybody's doing it, it's not gonna do nothing because it's

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such a superpowerhouse. You need every single band.

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And I think you know, when metal was first becoming,

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you know, it was like Tony was saying, it was

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it was run by a bunch of kids. But and

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so the kids that could play had the bands, and

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then the kids that couldn't play but loved the music

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were the fans and the roadies, and they just they

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just wanted to make it happen and and and then

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you know, if it's if it feels like it was

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just a gang. Everybody was a gang. So even if

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you when you're trading tapes with someone in the UK,

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someone in la someone in New York, someone in Elkhart, Indiana,

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and suddenly you run into them and it's like, oh dude,

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it's you are You're already You're ready to kill for

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each other, You're ready to take a bullet, take a knife, whatever.

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And that gang mentality of what metal is is something

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that you know, again, corporate whatever can't manufacture that. They

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can't make that out of plastic and put it in

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a shiny box and make you buite.

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And thank god, there's guys like you that have kept

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it real because you know, metal almost got destroyed because

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of the bands that did submit and not keep it real.

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I sat backstage when some of these bands that were

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cool before that were like the record labels are like, Okay,

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you're gonna dress like this, You're gonna play your music

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like this. And I wanted to be in music at

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the time, and I was like, fuck this, I'm not

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posing out for this shit for music. I'll pose out

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in the business world. I won't do it in music.

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And that's the thing. Metal and music is something that

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it's a passion, you know, it's just and it shouldn't

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be turned into a business.

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It's just what you do, you know. And I mean

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if you if you can you know, to coin or

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use a modern turn of phrase, if you can monetize what.

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You do metal, Yeah, you should make money and you can.

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Then then you will be able to make your money,

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will be able to have your element of it as

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your business.

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I think I think that's a key thing.

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And I think the the key point is is that

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how much money do you want to make? Like, you know,

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because kids will looking go Metallica. You know, James has

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like fifty calls and and lost deals with oil paintings.

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They also don't know when they was eating baloney sandwiches

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for no bread, with no bread for ten years, being.

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In a fucking van, sleeping in a fucking van for

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three or four years, two.

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Four bands on a floor in a room exactly.

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And then that's the bit they miss out.

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And it's like, yeah, so yeah, you want to make money,

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but but but it's you know, you're investing in people,

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you're investing in arts, You're investing in your creativity. You're

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not selling fucking mushrooms from a fucking mushroom farm.

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Or tires from the tire factory.

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Artists deserve to get paid. The problem is is when

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you bring the corporate people and the artists don't get paid.

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Yes, now it's Spotify, classic example, and how the industry

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laws was business model.

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Everybody was right, and he came.

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Out and said I'm store.

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I remember walking into my local pub club Europe because

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Newcastle was ahaing of metal and going and everybody was

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talking about laws saying that, and I was like, but

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he's right, isn't he And they were like no, they're

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just money greedy and he wants more money, and.

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I said, I don't think that's what he wants.

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I said, there's a flip card being because if it

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all goes digital, then what how have you got control?

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And now all anybody complains about is the digital world

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in there. You're right, But for a corporation as a

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business model, why would you want to pay people to

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sell your records, talt your records around, build your records,

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store your records. I mean amount of money that costs

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to have storage, to have printing things. Well, that's a

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lot of money.

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If I can just go there you go, it's digitally online.

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I pay one kind of service fee for all my

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catalog and then I.

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Make money from that. Brilliant.

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But then you have like a Peter front and going

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my taking taking them to court, going my biggest single

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of all time which has got a billion downloads, and

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I get checked for forty grand?

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Right, what where's my money going tooop?

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Which is why you have to support Bantam by their

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merch is that the only way they make their minds important.

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And if they just make enough so that they can

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keep doing it, that's the point. They don't need a

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house in Malibu, they don't need a fucking Ferrari, they

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don't need Gene Simmons lifestyle. They just need to make

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enough money that they can do it for a living

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and keep producing this or that we can all share.

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Absolutely because it is the best therapy ever. And like

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I've said recently, with all stuff gone in the world,

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if we just had one music festival where the whole

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world had to go to it, we would stop all

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the bullshit that we're doing. Because at music festival, especially

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metal ones, there are no outsiders. There is no attacking. No,

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it's the gang. That's the gang, right, let's make the

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whole world. You go, you go to you know.

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Rock Plus in Romania or fucking you know, and and

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you see these Bloodstock.

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I loved the community at Bloods and I covered that

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every year. We talked about and like just a community,

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these multi day these multi day festivals and people go

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to these things.

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It's like, well, I don't like every band on there,

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but I like a lot of the bands on there.

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And then you go and you meet other people that

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you don't fucking know. You crack a beer, you hang out,

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you head bang, mosh, have a great time.

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You camp out, get wild, get have fun.

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And that's that gang mentality of metal.

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No doubt.

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I may not like that band, but they're Metals, so

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they're my brothers. I'm fucking ready to go to war

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with them. Well, and that's the thing, that's.

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Why you should say that, Because there's one of the

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festivals I covered. It was all over the news where

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MGK started saying shit about Corey Taylor. Do you remember that?

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Do you remember that? That's a door?

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Okay?

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And David Drayman, cause Disturbed performed next, got up and

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said he basically spoke directly MGK. And he's like, because

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MGK said something about some tired old fifty year olds,

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blah blah blah, and he goes, this fifty year old

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will kick your fucking ass, you know, and everybody, every

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other band they got all on Corey's side and all

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banded together because you don't fuck with the metal family. No,

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you don't.

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And you and if anything, if anything proves anything about metal,

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the longevity of metal right now, what in my head

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will be the eternity of metal is the fact that

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you've got a band like Iron Maiden still going.

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And not sucking and not not sucking.

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He's not detuning, not going to tracks, not on clicks,

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not on trigger fuck you, they're playing. Yeah, and you

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got a band like Venam main fuck you were playing,

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you got a band like slip Knot, Metallica still playing.

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You know, I remember when I was working one of

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my shitty fucking jobs, you know, when I was a kid.

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And okay, O, hey you along here, you know my boss?

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Oh, you want to be a fucking rock star hunt

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And I'm like, well, not a rock star, but I

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want to be a musician. I want to be on

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a record label. I want to make records. I want

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to tour, I want to have fun and all this stuff.

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I want to play guitar for a living. What happens

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when you turn thirty and it doesn't happen like, well,

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there's always time to go to college, there's always time

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to get a regular job.

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What happens if nothing happens? Like there's people?

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But then, but then the first the very first professional

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band that I played for, I realized that some of

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the guys in the band were almost forty Oh heaven,

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forefend and then and then and then you know, you

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see like Motorhead, let me let me play almost till

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the day he died.

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How about this, Well, look Ozzie, but how about this?

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When I was a teenager in the eighties. The bands

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I were going to see were all my age. I've

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noticed this recently, Okay, I'm like, this is freaking phenomenal

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because when I was a teenager, we wouldn't be going

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to see fifty year old's play metal. We would It

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was like Metallica was only a couple of years older

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than me, Slayer was the same age as me, Like

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they were all we were all the same age. And

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now I go to festivals and man, you see Metallica, okay,

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like at Hellfest and you have one hundred thousand kids

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that are watching these dudes that are in their late

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fifties and sixties, or people that are going to Ozzie.

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Look at Ozzy, man, No, I mean, like, who would

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have thought Ozzie'd even be alive?

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Didn't?

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Oh my god, everything he did it is is life.

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It's amazing.

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But people would if he went out there today, people

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would go see him, of course, at any age. Or

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I see people at shows wearing kids are like four, five, six,

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seven wear Misfit shirts and they know exactly and they

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know the miskit.

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Yeah, Grandpa, Grandma and grandpa bringing them to rock shows.

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That's me so now you know when you.

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Know, metal was beginning in the in the late seventies

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early eighties, and it was like like I said earlier,

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you know, the kids that could play had the bands.

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The kids that couldn't play were the fans. And it's

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and it became this thing. And now that it has

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continued and not feel oh, this this fad is going

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to go away. Grunge killed metal, pop killed metal, hit

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killed middle metal. And now you've got you know, the

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children of the people of those kids that were fans

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and the children of the children.

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I've taken my son in his first mosh pet he's

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now forty, and I've taken my two of my grandsons

456
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:56.640
in their first mosh pets.

457
00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.200
Again, I know I said it earlier, but on this tour,

458
00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.400
I'm looking at sixteen year olds. There was a a

459
00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:05.960
girl with her dad. Her dad drove her two hours

460
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:10.400
to our concert at the King of Clubs. Thirteen years old.

461
00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.920
Knew every word, every word of every song, and we

462
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.480
would start a song and she literally it was like Beatlevania.

463
00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:23.359
This little girl would lose her mind and then start

464
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.160
singing all the words. And at the end of the

465
00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.880
show and everyone that has ever met one of their

466
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.559
heroes in metal. She walks up to me and she goes,

467
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:36.119
your music has gotten me through so much shit in

468
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.440
the last year. It has saved my life. And I'm like,

469
00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:42.640
you're thirteen years old. I can't believe you're telling me

470
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:44.839
the same story that if I ever get to meet

471
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:46.119
James Hedfield I get.

472
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.000
I'm gonna tell James Headfield.

473
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.680
Because and it's that universal and now this generational thing

474
00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.519
that just it will not fade, It cannot fade, It

475
00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:57.839
can only continue to be.

476
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.960
Well if I think about it too. Okay, So what

477
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:04.119
did my dad listen to shit like Frank Sinatra? There

478
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.000
was not that connection you have now, you didn't see that,

479
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.880
and now, like to your point, you have that connection

480
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:18.119
multi generational because it was the beginning of metal, you know, Like, no,

481
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.400
I mean, here's a funny thing, Okay. One of my

482
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:27.279
interviews went viral like everywhere. It was with carmina Piece

483
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:32.079
and we were talking about what bands were metal, what wasn't,

484
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:36.240
and it was this is why when viral he said,

485
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.640
I don't think Black Sabbath was the first metal band.

486
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.559
I think Metallica was. And he was talking about the

487
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:48.000
Jigsaw guitar. But then there's people that I was doing searches.

488
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.599
You know, if you do a Google search what genre

489
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.440
is led Zeppelin metal? It says believe it or not,

490
00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:58.519
But they did have metal. Shit. Some communication breakdowns are

491
00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:02.559
pretty metal freaking song you know back then, or like

492
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:09.519
Mountain Okay, that was cream, but you had this evolution

493
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.680
and then but that's it. Now you have a band

494
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:12.960
like that.

495
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:13.400
Amazing.

496
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:17.759
It's that influence, influential evolution of music. You know what

497
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.640
you're drawing from all of these things and making it

498
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.519
into something else, and it's a natural step. I mean,

499
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.000
you talk about that the classifications, and that was the

500
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.640
whole idea why black Metal was made. That album was

501
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.759
made because when the interview took place, the guy was

502
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.119
sitting there with a fucking copy of Korrang and on

503
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.480
the cover was John bon Jovi and he was going, like,

504
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:40.359
so metal band?

505
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:43.480
He went, is that metal? He went well kind of yeah.

506
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.920
And they went, well, if that's fucking heavy metal, if

507
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.359
that's metal, we're not fucking metal then.

508
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.240
But what are you? They went black metal and the

509
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:52.119
album was there.

510
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.759
Now it's a genre and you have young kids who

511
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:57.079
are into black metal with all the face painting and stuff.

512
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.559
It's a genre, and they go, well, Venoms not really

513
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:00.119
black met.

514
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.039
I know, I was gonna say that, what's actually it's like,

515
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.839
you know, my point is, actually, if you look at

516
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:10.480
it critically, Venom of the only black metal band because

517
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:14.640
they said, that's what we play our music, the where

518
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.000
we play it is black metal, and so the genre

519
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.880
is has taken the title more influenced by Basteries than Venom, really.

520
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:26.400
But that so sound wise it's different.

521
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.960
But you know they've they've chronosis said this so many

522
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.000
times as well. They should have maybe called it something else,

523
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.680
because now you have fifty black metal bands, it all

524
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:38.759
sounds similar.

525
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.039
And that's something that I talk about all the time.

526
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:41.240
Now.

527
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:46.240
It's like metal almost has an algebraic equation nowadays to

528
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.079
make the songs, whereas back in the.

529
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:49.960
Day they didn't have.

530
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.559
Everybody was experimenting, so nobody sounded the same.

531
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.839
You couldn't have got prog rock, you couldn't have got yes.

532
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.000
If they were you could got easier. If they were

533
00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.319
trying to paint by numbers. Noo, you painted by numbers.

534
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:05.079
And that's why you say Zeppelin great or purple. You know,

535
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:08.960
you couldn't wear purple metal probably not probably blues now,

536
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.720
but then you're listening to Speed both fucking Hell, Fireball

537
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:13.920
or whatever, you know, and at speed King, you know

538
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.319
they were it was blues, but it was fucking metal

539
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.680
as well. So it's like, you know, there was moments

540
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.559
happening all the time because they just didn't have any rules.

541
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:26.079
Well, that's like Metallica was originally considered power metal because

542
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:28.519
there was no such thing as thrash metal.

543
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.440
And that's what Venom called themselves power metal on the record.

544
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:32.799
If you look at what what does it say, it

545
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.880
doesn't black metal. It says power metal and metallicas power metal.

546
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:39.319
Because it was like, well, we want, we want to

547
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:43.960
say that we're in this boiling pots of this area,

548
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.799
but we're not copying each other. We're influenced by each other,

549
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.920
but we're not copying each other. And now you have

550
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:52.160
the genres like death metal, which is amazing, you know,

551
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.200
all the genres I love, and there's amazing bands and all,

552
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:57.839
but the young kids are like copying their favorite band.

553
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.680
It's like you don't have to be them, you have

554
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:03.839
to be you. When I would go to a concert,

555
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.559
I might see you know, Judas Police more head, ac DC,

556
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.880
fucking Foreign out Rows tattoo. None of them sounded like

557
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.759
each other. They were all totally different, but they were

558
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.720
all in my ass.

559
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.960
What blows my mind at Hellfest is the idea that

560
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.119
there's a black metal stage and a death metal stage

561
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:25.920
to even separate those two genres to one specific stage.

562
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.079
And that's the point, you know, this to us, it

563
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.000
is this is a gloves off tour. It's freaking bend

564
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.720
of the fighting because I have one I have one

565
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.039
man with a Salem's child who promoting the record through

566
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.240
pavement and they're amazing, but they're very different to us.

567
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:41.440
And then the undercord.

568
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.480
I wanted to leave clean, so I want the best

569
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.480
bands from wherever we are to come and play. So

570
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.119
when people say it to me, well, mel's really shit

571
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.200
here and there's not really a lot going on. It's

572
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.640
like all these bands are right on your fucking doorstep.

573
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.240
Get off your fucking horse like we did, and go

574
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:59.920
and listen to it. It's right there. You only have

575
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:02.440
to go to the tree to pick the apple. If

576
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.440
you don't go to the tree, you have no apples.

577
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.279
It's outside. To get off your arster beds and pick one.

578
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.200
Don't wait for your mom to come back from fucking

579
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:10.160
Walmart with them.

580
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.599
They're right fucking there, go teaste the fruits. And that's

581
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.599
what it's about. So that's why we're doing this.

582
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.680
So it is stripped down, it is just in your face,

583
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.920
but it's it's exposing the great wealth of music that

584
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.160
was spawned from America. You know, from the Delta Blues,

585
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.680
all the way through Elvis, through fucking Bill Early in

586
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.680
the Comments one of my favorites, and all the way

587
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.400
through history. It's like, you know, the world got rock

588
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.680
and rule out of America. So to stand there and

589
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.160
try and tell me that it's dead, it's like you

590
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:41.680
must be fucking joking.

591
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:43.480
All you have to do is go some of these

592
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.359
festivals nowadays, and that is a million people, Like listen,

593
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.359
I would never imagined back in the day that you

594
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.240
would have a festival where one hundred thousand metal heads. Ever,

595
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.559
like I used to go see Slayer with twenty four

596
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:57.839
of my Faxactly that was it.

597
00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:58.440
Exactly.

598
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:01.319
Know, when I'm in the middle of an Arizona and

599
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.480
I'm sitting in a truck stop and there's a kids

600
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.920
serving burgers to fat truck as and she's got a

601
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.279
couple of piercings in a tattoo, and she's dressed in black,

602
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:11.839
and she looks like desolate because she lives in a

603
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.599
town where people are going and she's some kind of

604
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.000
freak because she doesn't I don't even understand what she

605
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:16.880
listens to.

606
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.359
And I touch her and go.

607
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.720
You know, if you go online, which is the advantage

608
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.039
of the there's another person on the other side of

609
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.240
the planet you don't know, you've never met, feels exactly

610
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:27.720
like you.

611
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:28.880
And if you come to.

612
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.720
Vacking one day, you'll see there's a million people who

613
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:32.559
are just you.

614
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.839
That's your community.

615
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.759
That's who we are, you know, And and you know,

616
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.759
I'm appaused. I hear underground, Yeah, underground, Yeah, underground all

617
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:45.000
the fucking time. It's like, what is the underground? Where's

618
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.279
this underground? I don't see any underground. I just see us.

619
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:49.680
I don't think it is anymore.

620
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.039
And you know, I think that's like a teenage thing, yea,

621
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.799
you know, because you grow up.

622
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:55.079
I mean happened to me.

623
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.160
Listen when Mataka did the Black album, Like me and

624
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.000
my twenty five friends, we were like fucking pos er sellouts.

625
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.160
We're never listening to them again. They're still one of

626
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:09.119
my favorite bands, you know, but if they did, when

627
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.480
you get older, you realize if they didn't pave that way,

628
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.480
we wouldn't have the scene we have today. Then it

629
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.319
truly would have gotten killed.

630
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:17.680
Exactly.

631
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.039
It can't stay underground forever and survive.

632
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.039
Yeah, you need a flag bearer.

633
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.880
Zeta were a flag bearer, the Beatles, yeah.

634
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.319
And and and Elvis was a flag bearer and very

635
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:35.880
but then Purple so I said, yeah, well you need

636
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.559
the next one. So to see, well, it began at

637
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.799
this point, it was always coming.

638
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.119
It was always there.

639
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:47.640
We were just discovering as technology improved, guitars improved. Yeah,

640
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.319
they were making their first guitars, you know, and it

641
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.839
just gets better and better. It's endless and it's gonna

642
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:59.960
be amazing. And I'm still profiting, you know, from the pandemic.

643
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.640
From the pandemic that what's going to happen is we're

644
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.480
going to have the next evolution. It's bubbling right now

645
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.279
and it's going to pop up and it could be

646
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.559
the next Pantea, or it could be the next Metallica,

647
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.240
it could be the next whatever, but it's coming. And

648
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.079
I just think, you know, those kids were locked down.

649
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.480
What could they do? Some of them turned to music.

650
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.720
Some of them started playing music and writing music. And

651
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.079
they're out there somewhere and I want to expose that.

652
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.480
I want to find them and just got dejo platform

653
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:27.680
called Chins the World.

654
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:29.559
Just call Chins the World.

655
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.440
Starting too, by the way, because there's this band. They

656
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:34.839
were on ship Rock. They've been on a bunch of festivals.

657
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.640
I met the band because I was covering Louder than Life.

658
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.680
They did the old school thing of they drove up

659
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.559
and they crashed the party. They were in the parking lot.

660
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.200
They set up their trailer and played and Danny Wimmer

661
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.559
came out and was standing out there watching them instead

662
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.440
of kicking them out of there, and he brought he

663
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.200
goes you know, he put them on the stage the

664
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.519
next day. Their name is Silly Use and they are

665
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.480
like what it was back in the day exactly.

666
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.240
You know, Metallica played the first show that they did

667
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.000
the hammer Smith Audion And I don't know if you

668
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.640
know Warfare Evil from Warfare he was. He did a

669
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.599
lot of work with Lemmy and and Uh and Eddie

670
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.279
and and Algie Ward from Tank and he was in

671
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.039
the Angelic Op Scots for a bit, and he created

672
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.880
this metal punk band called Warfare and they were Neat

673
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.839
Records and Metallica playing in the hammer Smith's Audion and

674
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.920
Evil was like he was a drum vocalist, a bit

675
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.799
like Damn Belcap from you know, Excire, and he was like,

676
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:35.279
we have to be on that bill.

677
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:36.480
We have to be on that bill.

678
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.200
And of course a regularly with Dave Woods, you know,

679
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.559
who didn't even know what was going on, was like,

680
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.039
I don't know how to make that happen. It was like,

681
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.519
but we have to be on there, and they didn't

682
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.759
have management, and in the end it was like it's

683
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:49.440
not going to happen.

684
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:50.480
So he's like, okay.

685
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.079
So they rented a fucking van who they put all

686
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.319
their gear in the van, they drove down to Hammersmith's

687
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:59.839
Audion and they pulled up outside in the the on

688
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.640
the pavement.

689
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.440
So off the road on the pavement.

690
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.119
They pulled out, threw the back down really quick, set

691
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.559
everything in with the generator and started playing and they

692
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.760
played the full set before the police fucking went what.

693
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.280
Are you doing?

694
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:12.800
You know?

695
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.159
I was like create, So all the fans outside waiting

696
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:15.400
to go.

697
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.960
Fanci he gooosted a subway show. They went in a

698
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.960
subway car set up and we're playing as the subway

699
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:25.480
was gone.

700
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:27.760
And you know, I sat on those points.

701
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:29.320
I said, you know when kids are going yeah, but

702
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.000
you know, I want to do this, and but I

703
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:32.440
haven't got this and I haven't got that. I said,

704
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.039
you know what, for the first five years of me

705
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.800
doing this ship, I didn't own one piece of equipment.

706
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.320
I'd knock on someone's door and go, can I borrow

707
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.440
your bass? Have you got a pedal? Can I borrow

708
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.039
your little lamp? And that's how I did it, and

709
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.760
then I take them back the next day. So the

710
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.960
point is, if you want to do it and the

711
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.599
subway thing evil with it, you just do it. Nothing

712
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.199
will stop you. And that's because that's what you're destined

713
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.559
to do. There's a difference. There's there's two guys or

714
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:01.719
girls or people.

715
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:02.800
You know.

716
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.719
One is a in a band and either as a

717
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.679
musician now going in the band or go in the band.

718
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.400
A person in the band might get turned off at

719
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.679
some point leaving just to a regular job because it

720
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.239
hasn't happened. And I had these ambitions and I don't

721
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.599
play anymore. I mean play for fun, the.

722
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.960
Musician never retires. They'll be there until they die. Play.

723
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.840
Well, I look at it this way you were saying

724
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.719
before about rock star. I think it's like that there's

725
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.239
two types of people. They're the ones that go, oh,

726
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.519
I want be a rock star, and then there's the

727
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:35.880
ones that want be a musician.

728
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:44.159
Yeah, yeah, totally different. Rock star whatever that is, it doesn't.

729
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.440
Even really exist anymore anyway.

730
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.440
For years, I used to hear Gene Simmons and I

731
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.800
and them seeing what I'm in it for the pussy,

732
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.599
and I was like, you know, I'm straight and I

733
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:56.599
love pussy.

734
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.840
But I'm never in it for pussy.

735
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.480
I was in it to their music to people because

736
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.039
I spend all my time talking to people because I

737
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.920
love their energy. I like seeing the glint in their eyes.

738
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.639
When you know what happens when you're in it for

739
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.719
the pussy. You become a hair metal fucking band.

740
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.440
Well, we're definitely not hair metal.

741
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:23.760
You can see exactly, Yeah, right exactly, And I have

742
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.079
to say, like, what the hell. That's why metal went

743
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.880
away for a little while, not because of grunge. It's

744
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.159
because you took metal and made it not metal. It

745
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:36.960
needed to be, it needed to be purified.

746
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:37.159
You know.

747
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.039
I remember when grunge was happening and everybody was like, well, dude,

748
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:41.679
are you pissed about grunge killing metal?

749
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.559
I'm like, didn't kill my metal. No, I'm still doing

750
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:45.039
what I do.

751
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:55.719
Yeah, and that, And you know, the timeline of what

752
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.119
grunge was, of what happened, you know.

753
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.320
Is so short. Yeah, it's only a few years. And

754
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:03.840
the number one records at.

755
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:08.039
The height of grunge the Black album Far Beyond Driven,

756
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:14.000
you know. I mean, motherfucking Hitter records, Hitter Records and

757
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.559
albums that we're still talking about today that still sell

758
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.920
sell a million copies of year. And where's where's grunge exactly?

759
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.440
I mean there's still there's still you know, Stone Tuble,

760
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:26.559
Pilots and you know.

761
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.039
Listen, Kirk Kobe was a punker.

762
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:30.719
He was a punk guy.

763
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.920
He hated the fact that he became huge. Yeah, totally

764
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.800
hated it, totally. He stopped touring when they were a

765
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.440
big tour because he just wanted to sit in the

766
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:40.920
room and play music with Courtney.

767
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:41.320
Yep.

768
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:44.639
Yeah, he won all that other ship, all that other bullshit.

769
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.480
Sorry, I think because fundamentally it wasn't about the rock star.

770
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.480
It was about the expression. He was an artist, you know,

771
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:55.480
and and Grohl will say the same thing.

772
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:57.480
You know, he was an artist.

773
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.639
He wanted to just express himself, you know, read or

774
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.039
your velvet underground, that kind of thing. It's it's one

775
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.119
of the things when people I hear people say, you know,

776
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.519
negatives about then Danzig. You know, we toured with Danzig.

777
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.480
He was very he was amazing to be worried. He

778
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.800
was so generous and so kind and I'd watch him

779
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.440
and just think, you know, he's misinterpreted that guy.

780
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.880
People like to talk shit without knowing the person, or

781
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:23.480
just look at he's.

782
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.440
An andy wahole, or you know, he's just out there

783
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:28.840
Tom Tom from a trip to corn.

784
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:29.079
You know.

785
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.239
Hell Hammer the same kind of person with his relationship

786
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.880
with guy guy. You know, he's like he sees everything

787
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.840
is images and arts and I'm like, fucking hell, these

788
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.880
guys are painting painting.

789
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.519
That was a perfect example too, because that was another

790
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.119
album that was handed to me by Brian was hell Hammer. Yeah,

791
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.760
and like I was just oh, my fucking god. And

792
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.280
you know, kids today they would have to wait like

793
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.719
fifteen minutes before they got to the song because that

794
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.719
whole album was just it's like one.

795
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.760
Big noise, you know, and when and when they turned

796
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.280
around to Tomas, which was like, he's a dear friend.

797
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.000
And when they turned around and said we want you to,

798
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.280
you know, do hell Hammer shows. He said no initially

799
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.360
and everybody was trying to get him to do it,

800
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.679
and he was like, when we did hell Hammer, you

801
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.599
was all said, we were ship use all fucked us off.

802
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.800
You wouldn't give us a time of day, and now

803
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.199
you want to make money out of it.

804
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.920
I'm not interested, right. I mean, he capitulated in the.

805
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.840
End boards, which I'm glad he did so a new

806
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.800
generation can hear these things live. But I respected that

807
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:36.920
because it was like we didn't care about us when

808
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.920
we were starting because it was corporate. You know, the

809
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.079
corporates are now going, oh, oh, you've got a lot

810
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.360
of fans. What you likes on face?

811
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.480
But that's the first.

812
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.719
Fucking thing when you join an agency or anything corporate,

813
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.840
they go, how many likes have you got on Instagram?

814
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:51.960
What?

815
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:53.000
What is that?

816
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.719
Some guy in fucking caller Lumpa is coming to my

817
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:56.440
show tonight.

818
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.679
He didn't call it, what time is your set? Anyway?

819
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.039
Because we don't want to miss your set.

820
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:04.800
We have no idea.

821
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:08.480
Well, we're gotting closer.

822
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:10.320
I've got no idea.

823
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.559
See, I'm glad I said something.

824
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:12.840
Mate.

825
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.920
Maybe we should end the interview because you might have

826
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:16.559
a show to do.

827
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:18.719
Good night, Thank you very much for joining us, and

828
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.960
next week we'll be talking about your favorite recipes from

829
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:22.719
the Junkyard.

830
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.280
We love you and good night.

831
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.360
I love it venom Ink here in West Palm Beach.

832
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.599
I didn't have to fly all over the world to

833
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.159
come see, in which I would. And you'll know that walked,

834
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:38.280
he walked literally. I think I got my skateboard. And

835
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.880
what can we expect tonight? In like five minutes.

836
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:46.880
Once again the full furious analog experience, heavy metal, loudest fuck,

837
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.599
smashing you with sound, throwing notes at you.

838
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.599
That's what you can expect it of a Mink show.

839
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.599
Absolutely every night. I can't wait, and I'm neither can

840
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:57.559
I fucking it's gonna be badass.

841
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:58.599
I was.

842
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.960
There's not many times, because I do this so much

843
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.639
at somebody could say, wow, I'm super excited. You know,

844
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.199
I love it. I'm excited tonight because we're going to

845
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.480
be at vendomin excited every time I get on the stage.

846
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.360
That's the way it should be. That's the way it

847
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:17.159
should be. That's why bands like you are great. Is

848
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.800
that attitude, because it portrays when we're watching you on stage.

849
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.960
So I love it. Thanks you guys for being here.

850
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.039
Thanks thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.

851
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.000
Yeah we love you. Good night.

852
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.599
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipe Main

853
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.679
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