PipemanRadio Interviews Whitecross About Fear No Evil

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because not only do they have great
music, great message, great attitude and

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from way back in the eighties as
well as well, so it hits all

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the points as far as I'm concerned. So let's welcome to the show.

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Rex from White Cross. How are
you, hey, Dean, Thanks for

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having me on. Love it,
oh man, it's definitely good to have

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you here. And as you just
did, I was saying to you when

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you first came on and you were
playing the guitar before we even started.

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I'm like, man, I just
love that you brought your guitar to the

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interview because that's the way it should
be. Yeah. Man, absolutely,

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it's a personal branding thing. I
like to have it with me. It's

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like, I don't know if anybody
really cares what I have to say so

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much, but people like to see
the guitar player with his instrument. So

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you know, I figure, you
know, let the music to the topic.

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There you go. I love it. And you know what else I

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love by you shredding like that is
there so many people out there that are

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probably watching, that's listening to this, that have no clue that a Christian

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type of music would have that kind
of shredding. Dude, We've been playing

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this music. I've been doing this
music since all the way back to nineteen

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seventy seven. Wow. So you
know, so I realized that makes me

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old enough to be y'all's grandpa and
all that except me. But I'm still

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here. And there's been a lot
of a lot of fads have come and

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gone, a lot of different music
styles. I can tell you a story

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in all back around ninety five,
you know, I got dropped from my

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label. All you guys are playing
that old, tired eighties metal sound and

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nobody cares about, nobody likes anymore. And I'm like, what, I

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spent my whole life, you know, trying to you know, trying to

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emulate Ady Van Hillen and all the
great rock guitar players, and all of

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a sudden you're no good anymore,
and then you know, and then then

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like ten more years go by,
and so you know, I go back

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and I played blues and all that
stuff in between. I go back to

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my roots. And then, you
know, all of a sudden, you

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know, in the early two thousands, somebody goes rex, where you've been,

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Man, we missed your style?
Where you been? It's like,

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well, I don't know. All
you industry people, you know, decided

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to go in a different direction.
I'm the same I'm the same guy.

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I'm still here. I love that
eighties rock, classic rocks, you know,

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I love that. I love that
melodic rock sound. You know,

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I love all the great bands from
that era. And just because we're a

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Christian band, so what that just
means that we have positive messages messages and

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I've received so many emails and text
and you know social media people just come

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on and they send us wonderful messages
of how you know God has made a

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difference in their life and our music
had had a role to play in that.

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So you know, I'm all about
just you know, playing great music

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and loving people and loving God.
And that's what we are. That's right.

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And you know, I think people
misunderstand music, especially heavy metal music,

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you know, and they think it's
the exact opposite of the message you're

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sending, and it's so not true. As a matter of fact, I'll

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tell you a funny story. Okay, So must have been like, I

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don't know, eighty two eighty three, somewhere around there. I would say,

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a Slayer show and the opening band
for Slayer you're a with Striper,

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right, it was at the Troubadour. And you know, the funny thing

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about that is is people like,
what were they thinking playing those two bands

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together? You know, Tom Riah
is a devout Christian. Okay, there's

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such a misconception of stuff that comes
with metal that, you know, the

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whole thing of oh you can't be
beat Christian and being a metal band,

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like some people may think, is
kind of ridiculous because just music is music,

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you know, and is music.
But you know, if you think

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about pop music, pop music tends
to be about the typical everyday issues.

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You know, a boy meets girl, boy wants girl, boy girl loves

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and boy. You know, you
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so it's all these love love songs, you know, one way or

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the other way, right, Yeah, that's the typical uh pop music scene

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and in the metal music because it's
a more extreme form of music. Now,

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you know, White Cross has I've
never really felt comfortable with being like

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a metal band. You know.
We did this thing in El Salvador and

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there was you know, they said
keep it. There's a bunch of gangs

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here that hate each other. Keep
the music fast, hard and heavy,

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like oh, well more, We're
more of a melodic band like Doc and

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what do we do, right,
play your heaviest stuff. It's like,

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well, our heaviest stuff. We're
more, to be honest, we're more

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along the lines of like that that
striper kind of sound, right heavy.

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We're more like a classic White Snake
something like that. You know, we're

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not like heavy heavy metal, but
we were considered metal at the time.

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But anyways, in metal metal music, metal is tends to run towards very

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spiritual and whether it's demonic or whether
it's Christian, or whether it's a big

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people tend to talk about, you
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from like the boy meets girl kind
of stuff. We get we peel that

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layer back and and the metal music
really gets down to like what are the

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brass texts issues, uh of you
know, of eternity. You know,

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that's if you think about you know, anybody from Slayer to King Diamond to

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White Cross to Striper, you know, everybody is somewhere on that metallica you

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know, these these the big truths
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the foreground in that style of music, right, And that's that seems to

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be like a big thing regardless of
where any individual artists falls on the spectrum

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of you know, towards positive you
know, God in light or or towards

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the satanic you know, on the
other end of the scale, where the

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nihilism, you know, just total
destruction of the soul kind of thing.

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It's like everybody is somewhere on the
spectrum and those are the issues that come

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out in the lyrics a lot.
And and you know, so that so

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metal is great for being able to
express all those kinds of thoughts as opposed

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to like the pop music. And
pop music is great too, but you

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know pop music is Taylor Swift,
and you know you're not going to get

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a lot of heavy subject that although
you know all Taylor so apparently she's been

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writing some a lot of religiously themed
lyrics lately from what I understand, but

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I wouldn't know because I don't listen
to it. So and how about that,

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because like everybody thinks she's part of
the illuminati, Well, I don't

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know, maybe she's I have no
idea, you know, I've never met

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a lady and I don't know anything
about her. So we did a show

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one time, you know, all
this stuff. I don't know why I

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keep bringing up to South America,
but we've just had some things down there.

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We did a we did a concert, uh, and Madonna was in

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town and she played over at the
Soccer Stadium and she had all the beautiful

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people and we played on the other
side of town and we had all of

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the all the leftovers. So we
both had a huge you know, like

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she had one hundred thousand people.
We had close to one hundred thousand people

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at our concert. And uh,
you know, so pee. So the

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national media got a hold of that, so they had us on the national

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media shows and they were like,
uh, you know, the Heaven and

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Hell Night. It's like, well, this is you guys talking. This

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is not me. We're just here
to play our music and it's purely coincidence

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that Madonna happens to be in town
right the same night. So so whatever

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anybody else does, man, we're
just here doing our own. I mean,

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I like the music of I like
the classic White Snake. I love

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the Van Helen, you know,
I love that whole, the Rat and

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the Doc and I love all that
eighties kind of stuff with the classy guitar

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styles, you know, that's in
the melodic stuff. And I love all

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the great singers Luke Braham and Paul
Rodgers and David Coverdale and Ronnie Dio.

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You know, I love all those
guys. Well, you know what I

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call it musicianship, I think,
yeah, it's something that isn't necessarily a

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requirement in twenty twenty four. Well, I mean, you know, I

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remember Bobby Doll from Poison saying,
hey, man, I didn't get into

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this to be a musician. I
got in it because I won't to be

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famous. Yeah, Like, you
know, people join a rock band because

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it's a great way to meet chicks. You know. Uh that's people have

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all different motivations. I never was
in any of that. I just wanted

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to be a musician and I love
the guitar. Yeah. Well, and

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that I can tell by the fact
of you having the guitar with you during

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the interview. It's like it's like
one of your appendages. You know.

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What I always say to my students
is you know, you maybe you don't

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have a singing voice, but everybody
has a voice. And you know,

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whatever I have to say to the
world, I can, I can tell

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you through my guitar, you know. I mean, I can tell you.

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I can tell you things emotionally through
the music that are that are just

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very difficult to try to put into
words, and so a lot of times

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it's just a lot easier to let
the music do the talking. Yeah,

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you're so right. And the last
interview I just did we it actually touched

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on that where you know, the
music itself, not the lyrics, but

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the music is itself, is what
invokes emotion, and you know it is

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speaking to you mm hm. And
this is why people get so this is

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I I. You know, in
cars, people are going to argue all

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day long, well my forward each
year Chevy for lunch, Oh yeah,

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my chovy each your forward for lunch, and guitar players get really bent out

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of shape. Oh I got my
Marshall, m no, I got my

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boogie amp, you know, my
lest Paul beats your fender and people get

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really you know, guitar players go
back and forth on their gear, and

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people are so passionate about their music. Rush is the greatest band that ever

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lived. No Rush sucks, you
know, Getty's too high in his vocals.

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Whatever. You know, people,
people are going to defend their own

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favorite music. You know. It's
it's it's a death match, you know

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because and I think the reason is
because add to your point that it emotionally

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it grabs you. And this is
why there's room for a wide spectrum of

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is because every you know, as
many emotions as as there are people,

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there's a band that there's a song
out there that that song just it says

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exactly the way that I feel.
So people latch onto a song and then

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they or or sound, you know, like a you know, somebody latches

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onto the power or the intensity of
a metal song. It's like, man,

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I just love the way this band
does this sound, whatever it is

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that connects to you. And and
then people just you know, then that

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band becomes a part of the soundtrack
of your life. Yeah, that's so

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true. And so I'm going to
argue to the death about well Sammy or

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Dave Sammy, No, you know, but it's just it's just it's what

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appeals to you. Yeah, one
hundred percent. And that's so true.

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And I personally think Fear No Evil
is going to appeal to everybody. And

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one of the things I love about
this album is that isn't it the first

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time ever that you have had one
hundred percent complete creative control from beginning to

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end? Dude, I canna tell
you, man, there's some you know,

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I remember standing in the studio listening
to the mix, going Wow,

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this sounds awesome. And then and
then I get the CD and I go,

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what happened to the CD? Sucks? You know, it doesn't suck,

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but like, this sounds like half
of what I heard in the studio.

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It's like, well, the mastering, Oh I didn't know about the

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mastering. You know, the engineer, can you know? So so I

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the whole reason I started producing is
because, man, all along the way,

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we've had producers who are getting paid
by the record company. They're not

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working for you, They're working for
the record company, you know, So

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who is going to advocate for the
artists? It's like, well, and

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eventually a long way in my personal
experience, and there are great producers out

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there. I aspire to be a
great producer. By all you have to

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do to be a good producer is
just listen to the artist, advocate for

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the artists, and try to help
them achieve their vision of their stuff.

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Agreed. And you know, and
I've made every mistake in the book that

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you can make in recording. And
I've done enough recordings that this record is

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Fear and No Evil is far and
away the best record I've ever done,

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far non just it's it's wonderful.
And what I love about that is because

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I think it's because it's completely you, and I think that's where it should

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be. I think the artist should
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the business and keep that separate.
Yes, you know, thank you,

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and so on that note, let's
tell everybody where they can connect to you

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guys on socials, on the web
and go check out Fear No Evil and

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everything else you have to offer.
Well, you know, so you know,

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being in the Grandpa crowd at the
Dad Rock crowd. So we're on

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Facebook a lot. I think we
have TikTok. I'm not sure if we're

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using it. I know, I
have a social media guy who's connecting me

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to Instagram and we've been talking about
TikTok and trying to get into some of

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the younger, hipper, more up
to date platforms. But so we have

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a white Cross page on Facebook and
we have a fan page. There are

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white Cross Warriors. We also have
a website, white crossband dot com.

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When we were young, it was
white Cross dot com, but we were

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young and dumb and didn't know what
we were doing and we failed to pay

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the hosting fee and we lost it. That was That was like twenty years

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ago probably, But so now we
are white crossband dot com. Our record

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is available on Darkstar Records and they
have a website Darkstar Records dot com to

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spell it out that we had sounds
and yeah, and we're also on Amazon,

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we're on iTunes, we're on the
streaming services. We're on Spotify.

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So it'd be nice. In the
old days, you know, they had

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brick and mortar record stores, I
know, right, you go to Music

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Go Round and you could get a
copy of the album. You know,

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it was easy, and you didn't
even know what the music was. You

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just looked at the album cover like
that and you know something about the album

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because it looked cool. So many
people have said that they loved our album

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cover design and it's like, we
do have a great graphic artist and this

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is who did our cover picture there
and he also designs our our T shirts

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and our merch and stuff. So
I'm very happy about that. But so

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the music is classic White Snakes,
Scorpions Van Halen, that era, unashamed,

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very loud, very proud. Crank
it in your stereo, turn it

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up to ten and you know,
kick out the jams. There it is,

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it does jam. So I suggest
everybody check it out. And I

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want to give some final words that
I believe are actually your words on what

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the future plans are for the band. So I want everybody to know that

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your message is continue to love God, love people, love the band,

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love the gigs, love to shred
until they lay you down in the ground

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in a guitar shaped casket. Amen, you heard it there. Thanks brother

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for giving us such great music and
great message, and thanks for being on

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the Adventures of pipe Man. Thank
you so much. Deene love it.

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Thank you for listening to the Adventures
of Pipemin. I'm w for Cui radio,