Jan. 22, 2026

The 25th Anniversary Re-Issue of Borders & Boundaries With Chris of Less Than Jake

LESS THAN JAKE CELEBRATES 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF ‘BORDERS & BOUNDARIES’ W/ SPECIAL 25TH ANNIVERSARY REISSUE Fat Wreck Records LESS THAN JAKE - Out Now - Look What Happened (single)… Assets From... Less Than Jake - Borders & Boundaries // 25th...

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LESS THAN JAKE
CELEBRATES 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF ‘BORDERS & BOUNDARIES’
W/ SPECIAL 25TH ANNIVERSARY REISSUE
Fat Wreck Records

LESS THAN JAKE - Out Now - Look What Happened (single)…
Assets From... Less Than Jake - Borders & Boundaries // 25th Anniversary Re-Issue - release date - 23rd Jan.
…we’re doing a big push on Less Than Jake ahead of their UK tour (includes Brixton Academy on March 1st) and the re-issue of Borders And Boundaries (on 23rd January). Look What Happened being the lead single (details below). This band really are the undisputed kings of ska punk.

Ska-punk veterans Less Than Jake are celebrating a major milestone with the 25th anniversary reissue of their fan-favorite record, Borders & Boundaries. Originally released in 2000, the record quickly became a defining moment in the band’s storied career. To mark the occasion, the band will release a special 25th Anniversary Edition featuring a 2xLP set and six previously unreleased demos, giving fans a deeper look at the music than ever before. Pre-order HERE. The big news arrives exactly 25 years to the day since Borders & Boundaries first hit the world.
It's been TWENTY FIVE YEARS!!!!

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those funny sides. This is pipe Man here on the

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Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm

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very excited about our next guest. Who oh my god,

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like time just flies. They have an album called Borders

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and Boundaries. It's fricking twenty five years old. That that

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blows my mind. I don't even think I'm over twenty

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five years old. But let's welcome to the show. Chris

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from Lesson Jake, how are you?

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I'm fantastic. How are you? You know? You said that

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like shockingly, you can't believe how much times past right

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when you looked at my face. So I was.

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Like like that son of a bitch, I know right right, listen.

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It is wild how quick time goes, isn't it. Like

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I sit there and I think about twenty five years.

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I'm like, wait a minute, that's like my whole life,

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and I'm like, oh wait, it's not.

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Yeah. You know, when when I was a kid, I

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would notice all my elders, you know, people in their

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late forties, early fifties elders, right, I would notice them

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just kind of checking out and not giving a damn

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about anything. You're like, God, they're just so apathetic. You

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just stop caring. When you get older, you realize, man,

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I'm on the back nine here, Like I can't worry

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about all this you know, support for us, stuff that

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I've been worrying about my whole life, stupid stuff.

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I figured out the actual reason and solution for that. Actually, yeah,

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because you know, like people call it midlife crisis. First

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of all, not everything has to be a crisis. But

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I figured out what it really is. It's not mid

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life crisis. It's like you have teenage you who is

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anti authority, anti your parents, anti everything except your friends.

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Those are the people you need to impress, is your

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friends and your peers. And then you become an adult,

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you know, a young adult, and then now it switches

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because you know, everybody's calling you kid because and you're like,

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I'm not a kid. So you start, like, you know,

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you become this other part of you, which is adult

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you that does the opposite. It's like you want to impress,

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and people want to impress their bosses or they want

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colleagues or they do sometimes while I'm impressed authority. And

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then once you hit like over that forty age, you're like,

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you don't have to prove shit to anybody anymore, and

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you can finally just be you, and you kind of

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I think it's a combination of that teenage adult you

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that you finally find the real you.

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that springs off what I was saying. I just think that, yeah,

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you get to the point where either you find the

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real you or you go down a path that's just

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destructive and dark, and you go through all that. You know,

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and we've all had our moments, but you know, I

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don't think I've ever had a midlife crisis so to speak.

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That's been a bad thing. I just, you know, you

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just stop doing things that no longer serve.

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You, no doubt. I think of it more like it

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was a teen life crisis, because like, I'm thankful that

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I didn't, you know, go down another traductory and all

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the stupid shit I did when I was a teenager.

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But man, I love that you have the special twenty

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fifth anniversary reissue, So tell us more about it, and

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like why people should get this cool, you know, reissue

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of what amazing album.

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Yeah, well, you know, we were going to print the

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record up for the anniversary so we could print the

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last reissue that we did or I was like, there's

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got to be extra stuff I know we have, So

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we went and the archives we all did, and look

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for extra demos and things that we've never shared before.

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So that that's what makes it on this re release.

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I don't think we're going to be able to do

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that again. I don't think there's any other unreleased tracks

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at this point. I think this is like maybe the

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third time we've done this. I know Fat Records had

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done a reissue at one point, so again we would

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oppressed the record and celebrate at the twenty fifth anniversary

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either way, but we thought we would at least repackage

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it for the collectors and you know, put some extra

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extra stuff on there. Yeah.

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So as far as the songs that haven't been released before,

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what makes them to where they weren't released in the past,

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and that now is a good time.

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Again just the re release. These are stuff that I

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had found in my collection actually of you know, I

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have one of those huge tubs you put like you know,

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Christmas ornaments or stuff in in your garage you don't

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you only use once a year. I have like a

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tub in there, just filled, you know, with with mementos

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and things from from our past, and one of them

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is filled with just CDs and cassette tapes and test

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pressings or records, et cetera. And I found a CD

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from the from the Sessions, a bunch of demos and

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stuff that we had done at Rogers House prior to

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going to California to track the records. So that's what

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that's what's made in on here.

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See. I love stuff like that because isn't kind of

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cool when you do go through like these tubs of

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things you've stored that are like from time a time

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pass and you open them up and it's like it's

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almost like you're getting birthday presents because you forgot you

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even had most of that stuff.

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Yeah, you know, I've I've tried to do away with

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a lot of those boxes. Those boxes you open up,

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you move five times and like there's this cord and

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there you're like, well, we don't use these anymore, but

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you know what I might need it someday. No, you

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don't throw it away, So I'm pretty organized here. I'm

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in my memento room. I have everything that lesson Jake's

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ever released in this room right here. Really, the only

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thing I have shoved in the closet are all those

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extra CDs, cassettes of remixes and demos and practice tapes

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and those things. And I don't think the practice cassettes

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are ever going to see the light of day, but

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we'll see.

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You never know, you never know, and listen to it.

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It is funny. I've gone through that recently too, where

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I'm going through stuff that I've probably moved twenty times

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and like why am I saving this? But then there's

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other stuff that's gold, like what you're releasing on this

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reissue that is like, oh my god, this is cool.

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I need to do something with this.

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Well it's interesting too. You know. My mom was a

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big like she saved and sent it to me when

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I want to wait to call. She saved every birthday

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and Christmas card I got as a kid from all

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the revels she had him in books, and she sent

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me with all this stuff and at some point I

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just would purge it over the years, and I love you,

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Mom'm no offense but you know, you just start you

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stop having room for stuff. And I remember talking to

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Rob Cavallo, who was green produced all those Green Day

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records and signed Green Day. Rob produced a less than

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Jake record called Anthem, which was the follow up to

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Borders and Boundaries, and we were talking one day and

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I'm like, he was talking about this band he was

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in the eighties, and like, oh man, you gotta dig

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up some pictures and come in and show me. He's like,

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I don't have any. I go, what do you mean.

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He's like, I don't have any pictures of me from yesterday.

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And I'm like, what are you talking about? Him? Like

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like you know, you think, like is this guy in

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the Witness Protection program or something? And I'm like, what

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are you talking about? He's like yeah, He's like at

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some point I just threw all that stuff out. He's like,

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I don't need pictures. All my memories are up here.

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And he was dead. He was dead serious, like anything

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yesterday's clutter, that's already gone. It's a cash check. I'm

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moving here. And I'll never forget that about him. And

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you'll notice I consider Rob at least a musical genius

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in the way that he thinks. And you'll notice that

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with people genius and severe autistic like that can do

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crazy stuff. They don't listen to the noise. They're like

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this tunnel vision going straight ahead. And I've thought about

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rob a lot over the years when I've been cleaning stuff.

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Why am I hanging onto this for what? It doesn't

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serve me anymore? Get rid of it.

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And I'm a big believer too of that clutter. When

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you have that clutter, it clutters your mind. So to

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your point, if you're I think part of the reason

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is such an amazing musician is because there it's free

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in his head to be able to get creative.

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Yeah, I think so. You know, I know, when you know,

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sometimes negativity and strife can make a great song and

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create great art. I'll agree with that, but you know,

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everyday life, it doesn't bode well for.

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Me right exactly. So what else do we have going

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on here in twenty twenty six that we want to

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let the listeners know, Well, we're.

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Going to be releasing some songs. We got offered some

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different projects this year, So we recorded a couple songs

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at the end of last year that we're gonna throw

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around and then we're collecting ideas, putting things together for

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a new record. We're kind of toying with doing an album.

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We're going to be over in Europe this summer playing festivals,

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of course, doing the Winter Circus UK run that's coming

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up here, and just staying busy doing what we do.

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You know, we're out there for I don't know, probably

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one hundred shows a year, still flying around doing our thing. Man,

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it's great.

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So I want to know as somebody that also goes

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to them as well as how do you compare the

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festivals in the UK, the festivals in Europe and the

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festivals in the US as an artist?

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Yeah, you know, I will always prefer the UK festival.

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Just the mystique of all the books I read growing

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up and now getting to see a lot of the

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YouTube videos of reading and leads from the seventies and

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you know, reading about Deep Purple being there and White

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Snake and all these bands that I grew up listening

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to and then getting to play reading and leads and

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download and they're just class festivals. The enormity of it.

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You know, that was the first time I ever walked

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to a festival that big was was reading and leads,

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and because Lesson Jacob had played there and I had

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been to other you know, amphitheater festival shows, warped tours

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in the United States, so certainly I see a lot

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of people, but this was an enormity on another level.

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When you looked at the main stage, it was like

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six stories tall and you're you know, the scaffolding, what

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is going on? Like this is you know, next level.

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So I'll say I'll go with the UK for still

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being my favorite. European festivals are dialed in, and there's

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great ones in the US, and there's also crappy festivals

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everywhere too. And that's for another podcast.

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That's totally true. That would actually make a good podcast episode.

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your first ten guests there you go. Yeah, everything from

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the rotten catering to the toilet accommodations. We could go on.

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Oh yeah, And you know, I have to agree with

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you with the UK festivals. I love doing the UK festivals.

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That's a press person. I think the way they treat

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press too is like next level compared to anywhere else.

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It's like they make the job easier for the musician.

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For the press people and everybody crew and everybody involved.

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sense where I wouldn't expect that that they the press

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at the festivals in the UK are held in better

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than anywhere in the world. That's just that's just a true,

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a true fact. So I agree with you. I've never

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been a journalist going in, but they're always organized as

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an artist, like you're going here for ten minutes, and

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they drag you to the next one boom boom boom.

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Then then you're out. You're gonna go and enjoy lunch.

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So oh yeah, yeah, it's funny you should say that

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because it's kind of a peeve of mine because if

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I'm told, listen, you have ten minutes, I'm gonna be

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finished at nine fifty nine. Now, a lot of the

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US festivals, the person before you will go on for

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like thirty minutes, and it's like that domino effect. But

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I think also the media people in the UK at

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the festivals, they work together, like instead of all being

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separate and thees, it's like they all have each other's back.

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So it does run very smoothly, which is better for

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you guys, the artists, because listen, you are a tight

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time schedule, so you know, doing stuff like that, it's

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important that everybody be on time. And then just the

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way you're treated, like I've never heard anything bad said

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about anybody that runs a UK festival that I know of.

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So I'm sure there's bands out there that could could

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tell you otherwise, but UK has always been been awesome.

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And how about Fat rep Records because I love them,

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but I think it's really a testament to you know,

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when bands like you have been with them like forever,

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you know, because that that'sn't always happened.

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on Pure Noise, but Fat has still does reissues and

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does does stuff for us. Of course we've done a

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couple of records with them. The original Borders and Boundaries

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was on Fat and Fat Records is now we're going

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to be re releasing our stuff with Hopeless because Fat

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is getting Yeah, Fat is gonna Fat is getting absorbed

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by Hopeless. I don't know exactly when that's going to happen,

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but yeah, Fat Records came along at a great time

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for less than Jake. We have recorded Borders and Boundaries

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for our third as our third Capitol Records release, so

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it was funded from Capital money and we got the

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mixes back. We still thought we were on Capitol and

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then we got dropped. And during this time, the president

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our a our person and you hear this a lot

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from bands that everyone was gone and we got to

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sign this this and our guy who had been Megadeth

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tour manager for years, I think he maybe managed megad

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that's for a little while, this guy, Ron Lafitte, and

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Ron came in and it just didn't you know, for us.

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This guy came in and we were he was handed

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us and you know, didn't really know what to do

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with us is you could tell his heart wasn't in it.

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this is great. We got this record and Fat Mike

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picked it up immediately and stamped Fat Records on it,

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paid Capitol Records outright for the money they put into it,

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and it was the greatest thing that could have happened

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to us. In hindsight. At the time, we didn't really

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care because we had a fan base that we were

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touring on and luckily back then there was no such

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thing or thought of a three sixty deal, so we

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were just raking in at the box office building this career.

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It's like, oh, we're not in a major anymore, it

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doesn't matter. We're still going to pull into Detroit and

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there's going to be fifteen hundred kids there want to

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see us play. So no harm, no foul. But it

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was the greatest thing because we now had legitimacy as

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a punk band on Fat Records. Right when we went

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to Europe, it was like our audience doubled because we

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were on Fat Records, which was really ironic because Borders

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and Boundaries up to that point was our most commercially

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accessible record if you go listen to it. It was

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our cleanest production. We had some radio songs on there,

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and it wasn't that we were necessarily shooting for that.

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You know, we didn't have any outside writers. It was

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all in house still. But we were growing and maturing,

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you know, we weren't just punk kids anymore. We were

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learning how to play our instruments. So it all worked

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out and it ended up being great.

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And speaking of that, like, it's funny, you say, learning

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how to play your instruments because it's so true. You know,

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with anybody that's been in punk, what does it feel

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like to play in a punk band now after being

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doing it for so long? What's the differences for you

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as a musician.

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Oh well, at some point I realized that nobody's ever

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commented about how much energy I have on stage. I

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was talking about the band's energy. But you know, they've

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never once said a man, Chris is jumping off drum risers,

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He's jumping up in the area, he's po going half

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the set. And I've always been athletic, I've always exercised.

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I still do keep keeping shape, you know, cardio. And

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I realized at some point, no one's ever said anything

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because they don't care. You're beating the hell out of

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yourself for what. And I realized that once I wasn't

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hiding behind that anymore because I was a defense mechanism

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in the early days. I knew I wasn't that great,

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We weren't that great, So just jump around and go crazy.

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Everyone's drunk anyways, no one's going to give them give

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But you know, you want to get better at your

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at your your craft. And I realized that if I

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just moved a little bit less. I could still rock out.

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The cords are a little cleaner, I'm not as much

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out of breath, I could sing a little better. And

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so there was a little bit of that growth that's

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happened over the years. Taking care of myself during the day,

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you know, not burning my candles. I go to bed

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at home at the same time every night I get up,

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and that's now the same thing with you know, being

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on the road. I try to try to keep the

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same schedule.

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Yeah, and you know, I love that you said that,

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because it is kind of true. I sometimes I look

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at musicians, specially the young ones, are doing what you're describing,

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and I'm like, man, how do they playing their guitar

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jumping around and flipping around like that? And I'm usually

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in awe. But then I listen to you and I'm like, well,

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that makes a lot of sense that you're actually going

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to be a better musician if you're actually well.

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Also, remember, you know, and this isn't any disrespect. A

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lot of the bands can go that crazy because they're

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using backing tracks today. That's just that's just a fact

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of of of modern music. We don't have backing tracks.

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We're we're out there works and all that's what you get.

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And so if I'm going to be out there, uh

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you know, uh naked at the class play, I might

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as well be halfway decent.

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Absolutely, And see you you said something I talk about

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all the time, and I think a lot of people

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don't even realize when it comes to punk bands specifically,

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is that you know, you do want to hone in

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on your craft and become a better musician, like you

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want to grow a lot of times are hardcore fans

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as an artist, they want you to stay a garage band,

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but you as an artist, I mean, you're gonna want

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to grow if you're a true artist.

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you know, certainly, you know, Steve Jones is a better

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guitarist than he was in the seventies, you know for

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the pistols. But you know, how good do you want

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the pistols to be? You know what I mean? Like,

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how good do you want that to you know? So

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you have to be reminded of that it can't be

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too clean in pristine because I also know that that

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frenetic energy and that looseness is what got us to

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where we were at. You know. I mean, I can

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look back to videos and just there they're online and

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all the time. You know, once a year, I'll go

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to YouTube and just type in less than Jake nineteen

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ninety five, and inevitably, someone found a VHS tape in

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their mom's closet over Christmas and they uploaded it to YouTube,

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and I'm watching it and it's like an out of

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body experience. Man, I'll be I'm like, I know that's me.

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I have no recollection of this, but there's a thousand

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kids losing their mind in Cleveland in this video, and

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I'm listening to the band with my eyes closed, going, oh,

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it's not that good, and in your eyes you're like, okay,

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as long as I don't have to listen to the

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band with my eyes in my ears, I can just

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listen with my eyes. It's you know, but it didn't matter.

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And it's also where we were always. We still are

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our own worst critics. You know. I can't tell you

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how many times I've gotten off stage and been like, man,

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I phoned it in tonight, or that sucked. I was

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awful and you got that kid standing there, or multiple

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those I've seen you twelve times. That was the best

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I've ever seen you and you're like, Okay, what do

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I know? Right?

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I love that feeling too, even I like, every time

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I get done with my radio show or I get

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done to an interview, I'm like, man, I fucking sucked,

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you know. Yeah, But then I got like, oh, that

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was the best review I've ever had. I'm like, oh really,

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and so yeah, I mean I get it too, And

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but you guys are badass. I love that Borders and

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Boundaries has a special twenty fifth anniversary reissue. Everybody has

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to go to Fat Records, Fat Wreck Records and go

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get it. Is there any other things that you want

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to let the listeners know that we haven't covered already.

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It's about it. Go check out my podcast, Christy Makes

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a Podcast. It's a songwriting podcast where I interview guests

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from all genres of music to talk about one iconic

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song from their career. I've been doing it for six

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years and you can find out wherever you listen to podcasts.

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So thank you.

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I love it well. Thank you for making us great

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music all this time, and thanks for being on the

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Adventures of pipe Man right on.

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Thanks take care of my friend. Hey, it's Christal lesson Jake,

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