The Nocturnal Affair Enter 2026 With Powerful New Video Single "Deep"

0:04 Hi, you have done to censure? Wow for you your day by day something slipping slipping of faster towards the dunk. This is the pipemin here on the Inventor's Pipe Man W four c Y Radio and I'm here with our next guest. And it's pretty interesting because you know it's funny. I'm a motivational speaker and I have never known this till I saw about this new song that we're going to talk about. That January is known as Blue Monday, characterized as the most depressing day of the year, which is today, and I hate that. I talk about that a little bit, but you talk about it in your song.

1:08 So let's welcome to the show. Brendan from the Nocturnal Affair. How are you? How you doing that? I'm doing well. So yeah, see we learned something every day. I didn't even know that, maybe because I'm a positive person and I hate focusing on the negative. So somebody probably said that to me and I probably ignored them. Yeah, you know, I tend to avoid that negativity. If anybody comes at me with anything like that, I'm like, it's treated like poison, get it away, you know, unless the person needs help. But if they're just there to be negative, to be like I'm like, nope, get away. Yeah. And it's a different story when you're writing a song because to me, music is the best therapy. So that is where you.

1:49 Should let the darkness out sometimes, I believe, you know. And it's a little. Different than somebody like, oh it's it's the third one day in January, it's gonna be a bad day. It's more like, you know, we do go through bad times. We do go through dark times, we go through depression, we go through anger, all kinds of things, even the most positive of people. That's the biggest misconception about motivational speakers. Like, well, nobody's that positive all the time. Well, it's not a matter that you never have darkness, it's just how you deal with things is a little different. So it's just choosing to see life a certain way so you get ahead of it.

2:31 You don't become a victim of life exactly. But see, I love songs like this that like let people know that it's okay to have depression at times, it's okay to be angry at times, it's okay to have any kind of mental issue at times, you know, and it's okay to be able to share with other people. That's what That's the message I get from Deep, and that's Deep. Absolutely, Yeah you should. You should never feel like you can't reach out to somebody. Yes, exactly. I think that's a thing like in my generation, gen X, we didn't really have anybody to reach out to, so we just dealt with shit. And I think that's what's good maybe nowadays, is you know, people realize that they don't have to do it alone and they don't have to keep it to themselves.

3:24 Yeah, you know. It's it's interesting because the subject matter of Deep, what surrounded me when I wrote it, how I was feeling. I wasn't It wasn't unique to me. This wasn't something I was discovering for the first time on my own during the shutdown, Like, oh man, nobody understands like this, this what I went through is something that a lot of people went through. I mean probably in the millions obviously, and and a lot of people didn't make it out of that. Yeah, you know. So it's it's to this day I am aware of people that were affected so badly during those times and succumbs to a lot of depression, that are still battling it now, like the things that happened during the pandemic, It wasn't just the sickness that we talk about.

4:18 There are other things. There are other mental battles that people fought, and they still have those scars, those wounds are still open for a. Lot of people. Oh, no doubt about it. I mean, first of all, I think one of the biggest problems of that period of time is the fact that we did not have an outlet. We did not have live music, and we didn't have people, you know, two main things to me that help you get through to day, you know, and I think too even myself. It's funny because you know, I go on tour and I do music festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and like a musician, that period of time really bluntly fucked with my head because I was so used to traveling and being on the road all the time and amongst my people and amongst the live music, which is the best therapy.

5:17 You know, and then it's all gone. Now what's interesting is like, based on what you said, there is some after effect of it, because then after we came back in the world, it's like every music festival, It's like, Okay, we got make up for that time that was lost. And I went on like a two year like not one break, you know, every single weekend it was another festival. And of course, since since the pandemic, the three day festivals are now four day festivals plus the pre party, so it's five days, so there's not even like time in between festivals. And then last year I was NonStop from March until October. And when October hit this year, after I was done with the last festival, I think I've barely let which is so unlike me.

6:10 I barely left my domain in the past couple months because it was like I was like, think of myself almost oh, I missed that time that I could I wasn't allowed to do any. Isn't that so weird? Right? You know? We get the strangest nostalgia for things that maybe we're lacking right now that during the time of the pandemic, nobody would. I mean, sure some people were having fun, but you didn't feel that way then. Now, I'm sure at that time you were like, I need to get the fuck out of my house before I burn it down with myself in it. No doubt and like I live on the beach and it's a private beach and it was locked down, Like are you kidding me? I can't even go on a beach like and that that's like, you know, that's like solitude.

7:05 That's that's like therapy. And I think everybody is still angry and pissed because at that time, which is why the whole world has all the bullshit going on right now, and especially here in the US with all the division and the attacking and arguing. I think it all. Spems from that time, to be honest, that our brain just got screwed up from that. I completely agree, because I mean, I lived it. There was you know, I'm I'm usually an extremely sociable person. I've always been called a social butterfly. I've never stayed with one particular social group growing up, whether it's metal heads, goths, people that listen to hip hop, rap, R and B jazz.

7:53 But like any I can go to any type of show, I can talk to any type of person. I was a salesperson when I was much younger. I could sell you three hundred dollars worth of loose leaf tea on your trip to Vegas and you'd walk out of that shop going what the hell did he just do to me? But even during that time, you know, the first major thing that Nocturnal did towards the end of that shutdown was the Chris Jericho Cruise and I just I think it was the first cruise since the shutdown. So we all had to go get our tests, and if you pass the two tests, you had to do a bunch of other things. And even though we were all safe when we got on the ship, do you do you remember how eerie it.

8:38 Was to be around a crowd when things opened back up. Oh yeah, listen, if somebody got. This close to you, it was like, oh you want to fight, Like, oh, don't get fucking close to me. Who are you? I don't know you? And I remember being on that ship and we play the show. People would be like, yes, amazing, they want to talk to you. But then you get in their business? Are they in your And suddenly like two dogs with the hair standing up on their backs, like, oh what the I don't know what to fucking do with you? What is this? Oh? Matt totally like same as you. I'm like a total extrovert. I'm in many social circles. It doesn't matter what it is. Like, I'm just as happy a moshpit as i am a high society function Like I can deal everywhere.

9:25 And I remember the. First show that I covered coming out of COVID was at the local. It was weird to me too, because it was at the local amphitheater where our studios are and where I live. It's like a small town amphitheater. And it was Dirty Heads and what the fuck else was it? Oh my god? Was it dirty Heads? Wasn't even the headliner it was it was Dirty Heads. And Sublime sublimee oh my god. Okay at this little amphitheater like outsid right, Ampithea for a local town. And I remember standing. On stage backstage looking out at that crowd that I would normally like when I cover festivals. It sometimes I'll go up on stage, but most of the time I won't be out in the pit on.

10:18 The crowd, you know. And and I just looked out there. I was like, it looked like a Petri dish to me. That's what I was imaging, like if you were to do a cartoon, it was a Petri dish. I'm like, I'm not fucking going out there. That's that's yeah. I remember when everybody was in the clear, and you know, everybody had been vaccinated a few times, and you know, everybody was busy arguing about that, and I'd go out and I'd be in a crowded space and that that that mentality would kind of kick in again, like, oh, I'm too close to these people. It kind of feels weird to breathe. It kind of feels like, oh, they keep touching me. Like you touch somebody, you knock something, You're like, I gotta go wash my hands. I was like, what the fuck happened to me?

11:06 Why now? Even with like even now, somebody coughs or sneezes, like, the initial reaction is like stepping back. Yeah, I see people look at people that confer sneeze like they've just insulted your mother, you know what I mean. Everybody in the room's like, how dare you have a human response to your nose itching? I know, right? Crazy? So just imagine, I mean, imagine that effect it had on people that already went into the pandemic with a little bit of you know, mental illness, mental trouble, and they just had nothing but themselves to deal with, and then the constant fear being thrown at you from television and radio and all sources. There's there's so many people that are still just suffering, and uh, I just I want them to know they're not alone.

11:56 And one of the things I take as a positive of that lockdown for music specifically, is is that I think some of the best music will have in our lifetime came from that time. And I have a reason for that, and that is because we're locked down, you get a musician gets to jump off the hamster wheel that we were on for so long, and it's you get back to being creative because you're sitting there without having to write a song from one one tour stop to another, without deadlines, and you just could go back to being an artist. I think I think a.

12:37 Lot of artists lost that, and hopefully they keep it going now and didn't just go back right in. But I think your song is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, and it does speak to that whole scenario of you know, dealing with these things. And I'm sure you wouldn't have written stuff like this had you still been on the ams hamster wheel. No, No, I wouldn't. I still would have been a very angry person. I was very angry going in to the pandemic. I had. I had. I had experienced a divorce years before that.

13:20 I had done nothing but run from for about three years and just try to cover up with with alcohol and and and hookups. And I was a I was a menace. And then we hit the pandemic and I had to face that guy. And it was dark as fuck. Man, it was dark as fuck. But while on the pandemic, while on the breath the you know, the shots, I started therapy. I started working out because I was a slob. I started you know, eating right, I started really focusing on what can I do to change my life to be the man that I want to be impressed by. So, yeah, it's a in a weird way. If it wasn't for the pandemic, God knows what path I would be on right now.

14:05 Like, well, yeah, and you know what's interesting about what you said is the guy you want to be, you know, And I think, you know, we have so many people buzzing in our head that that period of time is what allowed that to happen, because probably before that you were being the guy, everybody else wanted you to be. Yeah, and that's frustrating and you don't really realize it until you're by yourself like that, you know, and you start to reflect and realize that you know what you have to be you because at the end of the day, that's the only person you have to answer too.

14:50 Ain't that the truth? Right? So? I mean, it's it really is that just brought back. It's onn of memories I didn't realize I still had, but. Yes, look at that. Yeah, and you know, that's why this song is so important because and I love that though you did what I always advise people to do. You made the song one word the title of the song instead of an explanation, because that word explains it all, you know. Yeah, it's just it. When I wrote the song, I felt like I was drowning on the deep end. And yeah, to be honest, it's it's hard for me to listen to I've seen I've seen a music video multiple times because you know, that's when the team sends it over, They're like, this is our edits this is what we've done.

15:44 And I love the ideas that my management, Mark and Rick have put into this. But even now, I have to mute it because if I don't, I hear that and I hear what the emotion of my voice and I start going back to that time. I don't know how a lot of music. Work differently, but when I hear music that I wrote in times like that, it's almost like you relive it in your head when you're performing it. I have no idea how I'm gonna do the damn thing live without breaking down. I have no clue, but you know. What, It's one of those. Things where, yeah, we were in the studio and I had to like give myself a break get back in the game because I'm one of those like if I get emotional and I'm singing, a lot of people can cry through their singing.

16:29 I can't. I get like ooh. So I'm like, I'm like I need to be like I don't know where I'm gonna have to go, but I'm gonna have to go somewhere. When we play this on stage or else, it's gonna wreck me. It's gonna I'm gonna break down. You know. In a way I look at it, though, is like like I said, music's best therapy, and the best songs are when people can relate, and they can relate when they see that you really are living that song, you know, every you're not faking it, you know, and then they're like, oh, I think that makes the difference, you know, opposed to you know, like pop artists write songs, you know, do they have any connection to it. It's like, it's funny you take somebody like as an example, Kerrie Underwood, She's a total metal head, and I think to myself, how the hell are you a metal head and sing other music and there's playing like that. Christina Aguilera another example of a metal head.

17:28 I think, I mean straight up wearing type of negative shirts on stage right. You know, a lot of people were like, what the hell, I was like, that's awesome exactly. And the fact is it is that, you know, what's great about metal is it is true to what it is, you know, and whoever's writing metal music is writing the real deal, opposed to something and something to appeal to them selves, not to everybody else. And I think that's the difference between a really good metal song and a not good metal song. Is a metal song is something you write for yourself, not for the rest of the world, And not to become a rock star or any of that stuff.

18:19 It's very true, very. Rue, and there's the proof right there. That silence is the proof right there. Oh yeah, that's the second time you did that to me today. I know you think it get I like go off on this like. Yeah, man, pretty good right? Uh, you know, But that's what we want people to do that or hearing this song too, to think and to relate, because isn't that what being honoris is. We write stuff for ourselves, but then people put their own meanings to it. The best artists, to me, don't get pissed off when somebody puts a different meaning to it, like because your meaning and my meaning could be told different, but it's still the meaning.

19:04 Yeah, look at uh look at her Yeah nails. It's it's one of their best songs of all time, and then Johnny Cash turned it into one of his best songs released of all time, totally for his meaning, his his video alone singing while while June June Carter is just looking at him while he's like going over the things he's done in his life. It's insane. Yeah, And you know what else is insane that you brought that up is I can't tell you how many people think Dine Inch Nails cover Johnny cash in that song? He did that good? Could you imagine that is the way to make a cover song right there?

19:47 Could you? Could you imagine how Trent must feel like, could you imagine writing a song that gains success but then somebody from the past, who's somebody. At that level? Because I would I would like to use that, sir, and they do so well. Everybody thinks it's theirs. Somebody thinks your song is THEIRS. That's insane. That is a total trip. Yeah, you know who else is a perfect example. That is Metallica, Like some of our biggest songs aren't even theirs, like. The my favorite, one of my favorite covers they do is Whiskey in the Jar. There you go, and it's a great one. Turn the page they do great, Oh.

20:31 Dude and my Darling unbelievable. And then all the diamond Head and Budgy songs, like most people wouldn't even know who those bands are without Metallica. Do I heard? I heard their version of Stone called Crazy before. Queen's That's funny. And then I think it was. Either my sister or someone else was like yeah, they this is this is a lot more heavy than how Queen did it, and I went, well, like the weird Champions guys, I had to have been a kid at the time. I'm like, you mean that we will rock you whatever it is. But what right? And you know that's when it's respectable in my opinion, to do a cover anyway where people you put your own spin on it. You can't do it better than the original artist if you do it the same way the original artist did it. Yeah, and I think that that holds true for her. You know, Johnny is Johnny, Like he's not going to be an industrial dude, you know, so he put his spin on it and it is badass.

21:40 I like, I love both versions, to be honest. Yeah, it's I love. I love a good cover. I mean obviously we've done a few, so it's because I just can't, like dude. I had that version of It's No Good by Depeche Mode. It was just playing around in my head for years and we finally did a demo of it and my team was like, that's a single and I went, that song's not ours and they're like, no, it's cool, just drop it as a cover. I was like, I don't know, man, like that's that's pretty bold, but I don't want to piss anybody out like that's you know. Or maybe I do want to piss people out, but not for that reason, right, And it worked. It worked. But a lot of people in America don't know that it's depeche Mode, so they'll just tell us they liked that song. But then the moment we landed in the UK, of course, everyone was like, holy fuck, of all the depeche Mode songs, that.

22:30 One, right, and you know it is. I think there is a benefit to crossing genres as far as covers go, because look at some of the best punk songs were covers for sure, but nobody would know because it was made so punk, you know. And you take like the Beatles, the freaking Beatles took so many songs that were covers and people probably think they're all Beatles songs. Oh yeah, Sinatra did the same, Dean Martin, all the old krooners, you know what I mean. It's like, a good song is a good song. Elvis, the one of his most famous songs of all time is Unshane Melody, and that's not even a song.

23:14 Right, exactly. So I love it, but I love Deep and that's what's important. And I know you got a lot more coming out this year. You're gonna be very very very busy. Yeah, maybe a couple. So people have to, you know, check you out if they have an array, and be on the watch out. How do they connect to you guys on socials, on the web, check out the new music, but also be informed of everything that's coming down the pike in twenty twenty six. Yeah, I mean, if you want to see the Deep video, and it's the trilogy it belongs to because it actually started with cross Me Out, that music video leads into our single Benefit of Doubt that and then that music video leads into Deep. The songs themselves have no connection somewhat, although Crossed Me Out and Benefit of Doubt are semi connected subject wise, but I'll talk about that another time.

24:14 But the videos themselves. Were created as a trilogy by management, and I kind of was just like, take the reins. You've got an idea, let's go. Mark was kind of like, Yo, I've got this idea. I don't want to delve into it too much. I just want to do it. I need you to trust me. We're using some new style technology to film it, and you know, I can't tell you what it is, but I can promise you three crazy videos like let's go have fun, and I was like, let's do it now. And then even my other manager, Rick had some hands in deep in the stylings of it, how it looked, how it felt, and those guys just blew me away with it. I never would have imagined what they would have done with that, with the music individuals so very lovely.

25:03 I love it. And oh, I say you connect with me via I would say Instagram, TikTok. Our website, Nocturnal Affair has all the links, but the Nocturnal Affair on Instagram, the Nocturnal Affair on TikTok. Subscribe to our YouTube page. That's by the best way. So I have a question for you, Okay, did you start your TikTok during the pandemic or after? I believe before before even the pandemic. I think I just saved the page and we didn't do anything on it until a couple of years ago. And I think we're still trying to figure out, you know, the best way to approach TikTok, because what's hot on TikTok sometimes doesn't, you know, connect with an up.

25:55 And coming rock band. It's more, you know, trying to figure out the right way to fit genuine artistry with maybe a teenager doing a dance in front of a mirror, you know what I mean. It's like, I don't I don't think about kids dancing in front of cameras when I write my songs, right, So it's it's hard to sometimes relate to that. And this is by no means like a get off my long kind of thing, because I love TikTok. I find a lot of funny content on TikTok. I find a lot of really cool, nerdy shit on TikTok, a lot of great horror shit, like you know, like classic horror movies.

26:40 TikTok is like one of my favorites. I'm following a lot on like the Vampire Lestatt series coming up. There's a bunch of TikTok stuff on that. But it's it's trying to figure out how to fit into that world is so funny. And then I can go and post a video of my bassist snow on tour to some funny music on Instagram and it gets two million hits. Listen, you're preaching man's It is true. So my daughter and her husband who was boyfriend at the time, they started a TikTok way back, and basically my daughter and her husband at the time especially, we're the only people of their generation that really did not understand social media nor give a shit about it. Yeah, and so my son law he's like big into Rubik's cubes, okay, and he ain't a kid, like he's a marine. He's out of the Marines now, but I laugh, like he's he was a marine. He was in the Marines. He's a marine, and he's playing with Rubik's cube. But they did this, they started TikTok. Like these are people that didn't do Instagram, didn't do anything, didn't really know, started a TikTok and then and all he was doing was solving Rubik's cubes on this TikTok. And then a month they got one hundred and sixty thousand followers, And I'm like, what the fuck.

28:15 That's amazing, though, that's amazing. You know a lot of people get so mad, but it's like I can only I can only like like, fuck, yeah, you figured it out. I don't even think they figured it out. It just like it just happened. Happened, and that that's the thing. So I like to ask people. The reason I asked you what I did is I'd like to ask because I think a lot of people did tiktoks during the pandemic, and they're very embarrassed about some of the ones they did then. So I like to ask, what's your most embarrassing TikTok? Oh? I don't think I have one yet, but now I've got a goal for next year. I know, right, that's why they make you go viral. It's the embarrassing shit that'll make you go viral, you know.

28:58 Actually, hold on, hold on, I do have an embarrassing TikTok, but I don't think it's up anymore. I think I took it down. We were still up and coming like more so when had happened. It was before we got an on any charts, or we'd only been on a few tours, and it was it was when touring had started shortly after the shutdown. So I want to say it was maybe spring of twenty twenty two, and we were in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and somehow somebody filmed a moment where I fell off stage for the first time. It's on film and the way, and I didn't fall off stage gracefully too. The way I fell off a was embarrassing, be it hurt, But the way I hurt myself saved the rest of me from breaking any bones.

29:50 I was standing on it. One of those like base speakers that they'll put at the front of the stage that you know musicians will always stand on. Yeah, And I didn't have my glasses on, and I didn't have my contacts that day, and I took a step and when I took a step, there was no stage next to me in the middle of our song A Thousand Ways to Die, and we had to have been four to six feet off the ground. And so the way I was standing was I took a step off and I fell off the stage foot first. So let me tell you something. I hit my nuts on the way down pretty hard. I already felt that when you said so.

30:33 If I didn't, I would have fallen off the stage and my whole body would have hit the concrete and I probably would have broken some bones, maybe hit my head. But because I hit my nut, my nuts on the fucking base cabinet, whatever speaker it made My leg that fell straightened out like a fucking cartoon character getting electrocuted, because I was like and the leg straightening out caught me on the ground and I like rolled and I was I like maybe had a bruise and and and my nuts are for a second, but thankfully there was no major damage to anything. Somebody got a video of it and sent it to us, and then it got out and then people were sending me memes of like, you know, there's like straight out of Compton. It was like straight out of stage floor and it's like me like falling. And we had that on TikTok for a minute.

31:26 But the Internet is not nice. So what what. Turned into maybe a funny like hey, here's what we've done. You know everybody, everybody's done it. I've seen tons of musicians fall off the stage and you kind of become part of the club once that happens, like, okay, now you're really doing this for real. Uh. Even after the show, Chris Jericho kind of like because we were touring with Fozzy, he like pat me on the back and he was like he's like, now you're a real touring musician. Like, now you can join the rest of the greats because they've all fallen off the stage. See I Fundy was said that was a good wrestling move. So yeah, Chris is always so cool to tour with. And so after a while, like and I mean years after, like you know, twenty three twenty four, people were still finding that TikTok and just say like the meanest shit.

32:15 And I was like, all right, like come on, guys, I can joke about it, but seriously, like what do you wear? Time to say the shit. That's where TikTok has gone downhill in my opinion, because during the pandemic, it was like all the assholes that you would have on Facebook and everywhere else weren't on TikTok, and TikTok was just this fun, great thing. And now even TikTok's take in itself too seriously and it's like people are on there and it's not fun anymore. In the hate and the I just. What I found is people are especially fast to a either be the devil's advocate, to be very cynical, just to be cynical.

32:59 But also it's the passive aggressiveness. Yeah, the way they can disagree and then say but whatever, or like the way they turn their comments into this passive aggression that can stab you. But if you respond, they're like, hey, chill, dude, Like it's not even a thing. Don't make a big deal about it, Like it's a whole that's like a whole culture. Right now, it's weird people say say things to me. The Internet and social media has only increased mental illness. You know, I you know, I could, I could see there's an argument in there. Absolutely, I think when yeah, not used wisely, I to be honest, I think all public schools should start teaching classes to kids whose brains are developing on how to address the Internet. Because you know, when I was a kid, we barely had laptops right right, and like that that wasn't even a thing that we went on all the time unless we wanted to game.

34:04 But like we weren't heavily tied to computers in the way that that this generation is. And so I think there should be some type of way to prepare children mentally to all of the information that they're going to see that maybe they shouldn't see. That will stop maybe some poor forms of development and emotionally mentally, Yeah. And so easy to cyber bully people like you go to school with that before the Internet and there were bullies, but there were limit limitations. Nowa you had to you had to see them in school on Monday, you know. Yeah, Now to be anybody with an anonymous account.

34:48 It's it's terrible. I say social media is anti social, like it's it's the antithesis of being social. But it isn't necessary evil. And I love your idea because yeah, people need to be educated on etiquette too on social media. Just because you can hide behind a screen and be a dickhead doesn't mean you should, isad. I mean there should be classes for that. I think there should be assistance for parents that are allowing their kids to have a telephone, Like, dude, a cell phone at the age of ten with access to fucking everything.

35:30 In the world, Like, are you kidding me? They can see anything, the ship, my grandkids everything. What yeah, the ship my grandkids pull up on YouTube, like when their parents because their parents can't monitor everything, Like it's like, oh my god, what are these kids being exposed to? Like you can put all the parent controls you want on you know, I don't mean the parent themselves. I mean on the app, my grandson can figure out how to hack around that stuff no problem. And we're not even talking techie. It's like they've grown up with it so they know their way around it. And oh yeah, there was there was a short time a while ago I was I was dating somebody with with young kids, and the kid was getting in trouble for the way he was addressing chat GPT and like the information chat GPT was giving to him.

36:28 Wow, like it. Was extremely inappropriate things for somebody his age, And the mom didn't. Know what to do. She was like, I don't even know, because he's got to have his phone to get a hold of me. He's got to be able to do this. It's got to be But it was just like it was the whole thing. And I was like, I can't even imagine. I can't imagine, just like, but how all of that? But and then that attitude you just had there, which is the society we live in? Uh, Listen, I grew up being able to get a hold of my parents and I didn't have a cell phone exactly, nor internet or any of that stuff.

37:09 I was let every kid around me had one of those you remember those flip flip up phones where it flipped up and you had a keyboard and then they'd flip it back down, or the razors or everything. I went through with the entirety of high school without a cell phone. All of my friends had cell phones, and my mom had every single one of their numbers, so she knew who'd have Like, all right, Aaron didn't answer, let me call Tony, Tony didn't answer, Let me call somebody else. And then finally, is Brunnan with you put them on the phone, and that was normal. That was like ough, mom, how many kids have you called? Like? It was like oh, hey, yeah, no, I'm over here. Yeah, there you go. And you know it's funny too, because I remember it was nineteen ninety one. I was buying a brand new car and they had this they had this deal you got a free phone if you bought the car, but you had a choice, and so they asked me, do you want a mobile phone? And it was that brick stupid shit, or do you want a car phone?

38:08 I'm like, I want a car phone. So I could be like James Bond, well I need a mobile phone for I'm not going to use that now. I'm just as addicted to my mobile phone now as anybody is, But at that time that was my mindset. It was like, well, I want the mobile phone for that's stupid. I want the car phone so I could be cool. It wasn't even about being able to call people. It's just about hey, I'm like James Bond, I have a car phone. Yeah, you know. And I remember too. With my kids, you know, I tried to keep them off of cell phones, and then there just came a point where I was dropping one of my kids off at school. I remember it so clearly, and I saw all the kids outside being dropped off, all on their cell phone, and I felt, oh shit, now I do have to let them use a cell phone because everybody has it, you know, and let because what you're gonna do make your kid be the only one that doesn't have but a phone?

39:11 You know? Yeah? That was that was my parents, right, everybody's got one, and we're gonna go to that. How can I get ahold of you? And my mom was like, you know our phone number? You got you got quarters for a pay phone, Like you're. Fine, right exactly, But I'm. Actually grateful for like I got to I just lived life, like we just we just did kids ship, you know what I mean, got into trouble went to the mall, got in trouble there, you know what I mean, did whatever fucking teenagers did. I'm very happy about the fact that, you know, I was very involved in the sunset strip days of the eighties and nobody has any.

39:54 Proof of it. Yeah, you know what I gotta say. Uh, even though I didn't have a phone, a lot of my friends had cell phones with the beginning parts of cameras. There's so many just photos of me out there, all goffed out at the mall, in front of hot topic with trip pants and lip service, straight jackets and I got makeup on and shit, it's different time, different time. Right, I know. Oh my god. It is interesting. Like I go to these festivals and see all these people watching the festivals through their phone, and I'm thinking myself. I think back, and I'm like, now, when I go into a mosh pit, I have to like hand my phone to somebody before I go in. And I do think to myself, I'm like, I didn't have to worry about that shit.

40:44 I just went into the pit, like you didn't worry about Oh. I better not bring my phone in the pit, or oh I let me get a picture of it, like you know, yeah, but now. It was like if you hand your phone to your friend to go do something real quick, do you get that anxiety of like what if we lose each other? Now I can't get a hold of them. I not only get that, but I get of because I'm a very private person. I'm like, I don't want them looking through my phone. And there's nothing there to hide. It's just like you're like. You hold my phone real quick, I'm about to do this. You're like clearing your search history, and they're like what are you doing, like you know, texting my family?

41:27 Yeah? Right, And it's like, oh my god. One day, it wasn't that long ago. I was saying to my youngest daughter. I was like, you know, some days I just want to drive down the road through my iPad, my phone and my laptop out the window and keep driving. And I am a techie from way back, even when I was young, like I'm gen X that built a lot of shit, like and I took every programming language and I had a computer when nobody else did and stuff like that. But she goes dad, who are you kidding, You're as addicted as anybody. I'm like, yes, but I do remember a time when I didn't have all this stuff and it was a lot better. Like I think about it, you know what I do the first thing in the morning. You know, it used to be I don't smoke anymore. It used to be have a cigarette, go to the bathroom. Cigarette always took priority.

42:24 Now we have a cigarette, so you could go to the bathroom. Yeah, Now it's the phone. The phone, that's the first thing look at. That's how we got this interview, by the way, because really Annie Facebook messaged me I think it was like six am this morning about doing this interview, and. Yeah, well we were supposed because we were supposed to do it I think earlier today. Yeah yeah, yeah. The way she said it to me, I thought it was tomorrow. And then at around eleven she was like, hey, Bud, how was the interview? And I was like, so, I'm glad we were in to talk, but. Yeah, right, but like that was a perf. That was a perfect example of that. The first thing I saw when I woke up this morning was her Facebook message asking me to do an interview.

43:11 And that's why everybody. That's why everybody's so stressed out all the time and anxiety. I mean, come on, if I miss. This next thing, I gotta I have to look at it all the time. I could have. Oh my god. I went to see the Megadeth movie for the new album and I was like, I was in that movie theater for two hours, like, fuck, I want to look at my phone. Maybe I need something. That's It's like you start getting like weird when you gotta do things and you don't and you're not using your phone or you don't have your phone, And I think back to the time when I didn't give a shit, Like I would sometimes take off for like three months and I tell people, okay, i'll see you. Why I get back and there's no way to reach me and no way me reach anybody. And that was healthy, you know.

43:59 That was how I recharge. That's how That's how I avoided all the darkness of my life. It's like when things gonna start getting dark, that was my therapy to just disappear, recharge, motivate myself, get back in positive state, and then come back. So anyway, you got a lot more coming out. Everybody's got uh check everything you got, you have badass music, and uh, you know, basically, I think that what's great it's about you is you share your own personal things to help others through music. And I think that's the key to a true artist. A true artist is able to do that. It's able to dig deep and bring out you know, like you're saying, you're gonna have a hard time performing that song, but I think that's why the song is so good.

44:49 It's because it's really appreciate that. Yeah, it's I definitely do it to connect with others. The you know, when I was growing up, I feel like a lot of the time, I don't know about you, but the radio raised me in a way, you know, well. Me metal raised me because the music I listened to wasn't allowed to be on the radio, you know, like like music nowadays that's on the radio, I'm like, that's weird, you know. Yeah, you didn't hear Slayer or Metallica on the radio. Like we had this attitude when we were teenagers. If it's on the radio, we don't like it. Like as soon as the band in the radio, it's like, you know what. I was at Metallica's first show ever and I'm here to tell you I am one of those people of the original like twenty five that were at their first show or whatever it was that. Yeah, that when Black the Black Album came out, we were like fucking poser sellouts.

45:43 I mean, I was lucky to have ninety two point three and one oh seven five in Vegas though. Those were the channels that that introduced me to at least the beginning part of finding the genre of music that I love to play today. You know. Now see for me, I'm from Jersey, so we had WSU, which was Seaton All University, and that was like the original station that actually played underground metal and punk music. And then when I moved out to lat KNAC, who just celebrated a big anniversary recently. You know, again, it wasn't your typical radio station, so it was like it was like it wasn't k loos. You know, kalos played rock, but they didn't play that, you know. And but I love seeing today though that metal has gone to the masses because to me, it's the best therapy there is.

46:38 People don't really understand metal, you know, what weed as metal heads feel and what it does for us. And you know, I think it. It makes it a better world. I think if we want to solve all the world's problems, we need to have one huge metal festival that everybody in the world is required to attend. Definitely medal with the sprinkles and ballads here and there. You know what I'm saying, Every good, every good metal band deserves a great ballad. Of course. And that's how you know they actually can sing too. There's so many like artists that I have done Matt Bounce, I'm like, Wow, they really can sing. And that's why I have an argument now. But like people don't care at the Screamers. They know how to sing, they choose to sing like that, Oh yeah, and very well. I think people don't realize it's really hard to sing that way.

47:32 I sang thrash metal and I didn't know how to do it technique wise, and I was burning out my throat every time, you know. And it definitely is a talent and I think people should realize that. And you definitely have the talent. And I also love the Navy Or band, the Nocturnal Affair, that just it just sounds pretty cool. And I don't normally talk about bad names, but it does sound pretty cool and deep sids it all and I can't wait to you got six video premieres being launched this year. Can't wait, and thank you. Nobody here listening is allowed to listen to my show anymore unless they watch all six of those videos.

48:19 Appreciate it. Thank you for giving us great music and bearing your soul to give it to us. And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipeline. Well, thank you for having me Man hope to talk to you soon. Absolutely, thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin I'm w for CUI Radio.