Jan. 30, 2026

The Nocturnal Affair Enter 2026 With Powerful New Video Single "Deep"

Season 20, Episode 13 of The Adventures of Pipeman. The Nocturnal Affair Enter 2026 With Powerful New Video Single "Deep" The third Monday in January is known as Blue Monday, characterized as the most depressing day of the year. What better way to...

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Season 20

Season 20, Episode 13 of The Adventures of Pipeman.

The Nocturnal Affair Enter 2026 With Powerful New Video Single "Deep"

The third Monday in January is known as Blue Monday, characterized as the most depressing day of the year. What better way to brighten your day than with a piano ballad about losing your mental grip on everything, only to find hope where you least expected it. Welcome to "Deep".

The Nocturnal Affair presents “Deep” as an ode to mental health and that we are not alone even when were are in “the unreachable parts of the deep.” With "Deep" Brendan Shane exhibits the dark rock devotion of Ville Valo (HIM), the haunted vocal style of Amy Lee (Evanescence) while carrying the rich baritone of Peter Steel (Type O Negative).

The Nocturnal Affair is proud to present “Deep” as both, a final set in a trilogy but also is in the beginning of a six video premiere series to be launched in 2026.

The Nocturnal Affair presents “Deep” as an ode to mental health and that we are not alone even when were are in “the unreachable parts of the deep.” With "Deep" Brendan Shane exhibits the dark rock devotion of Ville Valo (HIM), the haunted vocal style of Amy Lee (Evanescence) while carrying the rich baritone of Peter Steel (Type O Negative).

The Nocturnal Affair is proud to present “Deep” as both, a final set in a trilogy but also is in the beginning of a six video premiere series to be launched in 2026.

Produced and mixed at Madison Studios by Tanner Hendon and Wyatt Oates, “Deep” will be released via Madison Records.

The "Deep" video guest stars actress, video game journalist, and model Lisa Foiles. Foiles was a regular cast member on 'All That' on Nickelodeon, as well as appearing on 'Even Stevens', 'Malcolm in the Middle', and more! She is known for her comedic timing and geek culture focus, extending her career beyond traditional acting and digital media.

Discovered by Grammy nominated Disturbed bassist John Moyer, Las Vegas dark rockers The Nocturnal Affair are an alternative/dark rock project headed by singer/songwriter Brendan Shane. The band’s crushing and melancholic musical style is an ode to darker alternative music torchbearers like Type O Negative, HIM, David Bowie, Gary Numan, and Nine Inch Nails.

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Hi, you have done to censure?

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Wow for you your day by day something slipping slipping

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of faster towards the dunk.

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This is the pipemin here on the Inventor's Pipe Man

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W four c Y Radio and I'm here with our

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next guest. And it's pretty interesting because you know it's funny.

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I'm a motivational speaker and I have never known this

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till I saw about this new song that we're going

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to talk about. That January is known as Blue Monday,

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characterized as the most depressing day of the year, which

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is today, and I hate that. I talk about that

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a little bit, but you talk about it in your song.

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So let's welcome to the show. Brendan from the Nocturnal Affair.

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How are you?

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How you doing that? I'm doing well.

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So yeah, see we learned something every day.

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I didn't even know that, maybe because I'm a positive

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person and I hate focusing on the negative. So somebody

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probably said that to me and I probably ignored them.

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Yeah, you know, I tend to avoid that negativity.

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If anybody comes at me with anything like that, I'm like,

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it's treated like poison, get it away, you know, unless

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the person needs help. But if they're just there to

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be negative, to be like I'm like, nope, get away.

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And it's a different story when you're writing a song

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because to me, music is the best therapy.

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So that is where you.

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Should let the darkness out sometimes, I believe, you know.

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And it's a little.

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Different than somebody like, oh it's it's the third one

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day in January, it's gonna be a bad day. It's

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more like, you know, we do go through bad times.

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We do go through dark times, we go through depression,

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we go through anger, all kinds of things, even the

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most positive of people. That's the biggest misconception about motivational speakers.

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Like, well, nobody's that positive all the time.

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Well, it's not a matter that you never have darkness,

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it's just how you deal with things is a little different.

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So it's just choosing to see life a certain way

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so you get ahead of it.

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You don't become a victim of life exactly.

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But see, I love songs like this that like let

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people know that it's okay to have depression at times,

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it's okay to be angry at times, it's okay to

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have any kind of mental issue at times, you know,

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and it's okay to be able to share with other people.

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That's what That's the message I get from Deep, and

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that's Deep.

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Absolutely, Yeah you should. You should never feel like you

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can't reach out to somebody.

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I think that's a thing like in my generation, gen X,

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we didn't really have anybody to reach out to, so

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we just dealt with shit. And I think that's what's

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good maybe nowadays, is you know, people realize that they

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don't have to do it alone and they don't have

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to keep it to themselves.

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It's it's interesting because the subject matter of Deep, what

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surrounded me when I wrote it, how I was feeling.

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I wasn't It wasn't unique to me.

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This wasn't something I was discovering for the first time

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on my own during the shutdown, Like, oh man, nobody

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understands like this, this what I went through is something

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that a lot of people went through. I mean probably

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in the millions obviously, and and a lot of people

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didn't make it out of that.

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people that were affected so badly during those times and

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succumbs to a lot of depression, that are still battling

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it now, like the things that happened during the pandemic,

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There are other mental battles that people fought, and they

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still have those scars, those wounds are still open for a.

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biggest problems of that period of time is the fact

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that we did not have an outlet. We did not

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have live music, and we didn't have people, you know,

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two main things to me that help you get through

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to day, you know, and I think too even myself.

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I do music festivals all over the US, UK and Europe,

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and like a musician, that period of time really bluntly

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fucked with my head because I was so used to

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traveling and being on the road all the time and

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amongst my people and amongst the live music, which is

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the best therapy.

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You know, and then it's all gone.

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Now what's interesting is like, based on what you said,

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there is some after effect of it, because then after

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we came back in the world, it's like every music festival,

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that was lost. And I went on like a two

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year like not one break, you know, every single weekend

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it was another festival. And of course, since since the pandemic,

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the three day festivals are now four day festivals plus

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the pre party, so it's five days, so there's not

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even like time in between festivals. And then last year

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I was NonStop from March until October. And when October

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hit this year, after I was done with the last festival,

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I think I've barely let which is so unlike me.

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I barely left my domain in the past couple months

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because it was like I was like, think of myself

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almost oh, I missed that time that I could I

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wasn't allowed to do any.

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Isn't that so weird?

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Right? You know?

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We get the strangest nostalgia for things that maybe we're

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lacking right now that during the time of the pandemic,

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nobody would. I mean, sure some people were having fun,

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but you didn't feel that way then. Now, I'm sure

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at that time you were like, I need to get

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the fuck out of my house before I burn it

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down with myself in it.

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No doubt and like I live on the beach and

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it's a private beach and it was locked down, Like

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are you kidding me? I can't even go on a

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beach like and that that's like, you know, that's like solitude.

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That's that's like therapy.

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And I think everybody is still angry and pissed because

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at that time, which is why the whole world has

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all the bullshit going on right now, and especially here

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in the US with all the division and the attacking

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and arguing.

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I think it all.

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Spems from that time, to be honest, that our brain

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just got screwed up from that.

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I completely agree, because I mean, I lived it. There

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was you know, I'm I'm usually an extremely sociable person.

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I've always been called a social butterfly. I've never stayed

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with one particular social group growing up, whether it's metal heads, goths,

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people that listen to hip hop, rap, R and B jazz.

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But like any I can go to any type of show,

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I can talk to any type of person. I was

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a salesperson when I was much younger. I could sell

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you three hundred dollars worth of loose leaf tea on

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your trip to Vegas and you'd walk out of that

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shop going what the hell did he just do to me?

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But even during that time, you know, the first major

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thing that Nocturnal did towards the end of that shutdown

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was the Chris Jericho Cruise and I just I think

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it was the first cruise since the shutdown. So we

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all had to go get our tests, and if you

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pass the two tests, you had to do a bunch

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of other things. And even though we were all safe

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when we got on the ship, do you do you

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remember how eerie it.

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Was to be around a crowd when things opened back up.

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Oh yeah, listen, if somebody got.

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This close to you, it was like, oh you want

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to fight, Like, oh, don't get fucking close to me.

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Who are you?

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I don't know you? And I remember being on that

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ship and we play the show. People would be like, yes, amazing,

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they want to talk to you. But then you get

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in their business? Are they in your And suddenly like

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two dogs with the hair standing up on their backs, like,

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oh what the I don't know what to fucking do

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with you?

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What is this?

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Oh?

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Matt totally like same as you. I'm like a total extrovert.

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I'm in many social circles. It doesn't matter what it is. Like,

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I'm just as happy a moshpit as i am a

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high society function Like I can deal everywhere.

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And I remember the.

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First show that I covered coming out of COVID was

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at the local. It was weird to me too, because

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it was at the local amphitheater where our studios are

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and where I live.

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It's like a small town amphitheater. And it was Dirty

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Heads and what the fuck else was it? Oh my god?

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Was it dirty Heads? Wasn't even the headliner it was

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it was Dirty Heads.

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And Sublime sublimee oh my god.

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a local town.

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On stage backstage looking out at that crowd that I

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would normally like when I cover festivals. It sometimes I'll

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go up on stage, but most of the time I

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won't be out in the pit on.

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The crowd, you know.

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And and I just looked out there. I was like,

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it looked like a Petri dish to me. That's what

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I was imaging, like if you were to do a cartoon,

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it was a Petri dish. I'm like, I'm not fucking

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going out there.

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That's that's yeah.

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I remember when everybody was in the clear, and you know,

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everybody had been vaccinated a few times, and you know,

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everybody was busy arguing about that, and I'd go out

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and I'd be in a crowded space and that that

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that mentality would kind of kick in again, like, oh,

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I'm too close to these people. It kind of feels

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weird to breathe. It kind of feels like, oh, they

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keep touching me. Like you touch somebody, you knock something,

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You're like, I gotta go wash my hands. I was like,

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what the fuck happened to me?

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Why now?

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Even with like even now, somebody coughs or sneezes, like,

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the initial reaction is like stepping back.

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Yeah, I see people look at people that confer sneeze

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like they've just insulted your mother, you know what I mean.

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Everybody in the room's like, how dare you have a

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human response to your nose itching?

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I know, right?

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Crazy?

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So just imagine, I mean, imagine that effect it had

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on people that already went into the pandemic with a

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little bit of you know, mental illness, mental trouble, and

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they just had nothing but themselves to deal with, and

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then the constant fear being thrown at you from television

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and radio and all sources. There's there's so many people

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that are still just suffering, and uh, I just I

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want them to know they're not alone.

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And one of the things I take as a positive

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of that lockdown for music specifically, is is that I

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think some of the best music will have in our

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lifetime came from that time. And I have a reason

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for that, and that is because we're locked down, you

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get a musician gets to jump off the hamster wheel

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that we were on for so long, and it's you

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get back to being creative because you're sitting there without

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having to write a song from one one tour stop

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to another, without deadlines, and you just could go back

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to being an artist.

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I think I think a.

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Lot of artists lost that, and hopefully they keep it

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going now and didn't just go back right in. But

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I think your song is a perfect example of what

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I'm talking about, and it does speak to that whole

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scenario of you know, dealing with these things. And I'm

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sure you wouldn't have written stuff like this had you

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still been on the ams hamster wheel.

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No, No, I wouldn't. I still would have been a

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very angry person. I was very angry going in to

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the pandemic. I had. I had. I had experienced a

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divorce years before that.

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I had done nothing but run from for about three

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years and just try to cover up with with alcohol

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and and and hookups. And I was a I was

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a menace. And then we hit the pandemic and I

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had to face that guy. And it was dark as fuck. Man,

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it was dark as fuck. But while on the pandemic,

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while on the breath the you know, the shots, I

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started therapy. I started working out because I was a slob.

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I started you know, eating right, I started really focusing

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on what can I do to change my life to

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be the man that I want to be impressed by. So, yeah,

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it's a in a weird way. If it wasn't for

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the pandemic, God knows what path I would be on

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right now.

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Like, well, yeah, and you know what's interesting about what

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you said is the guy you want to be, you know,

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And I think, you know, we have so many people

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buzzing in our head that that period of time is

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what allowed that to happen, because probably before that you

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were being the guy, everybody else wanted you to be. Yeah,

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and that's frustrating and you don't really realize it until

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you're by yourself like that, you know, and you start

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to reflect and realize that you know what you have

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to be you because at the end of the day,

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that's the only person you have to answer too.

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Ain't that the truth?

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Right?

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So?

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I mean, it's it really is that just brought back.

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It's onn of memories I didn't realize I still had, but.

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Yes, look at that.

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Yeah, and you know, that's why this song is so

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important because and I love that though you did what

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I always advise people to do. You made the song

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one word the title of the song instead of an explanation,

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because that word explains it all, you know.

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Yeah, it's just it. When I wrote the song, I

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felt like I was drowning on the deep end. And yeah,

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to be honest, it's it's hard for me to listen

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to I've seen I've seen a music video multiple times

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because you know, that's when the team sends it over,

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They're like, this is our edits this is what we've done.

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And I love the ideas that my management, Mark and

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Rick have put into this. But even now, I have

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to mute it because if I don't, I hear that

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and I hear what the emotion of my voice and

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I start going back to that time.

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I don't know how a lot of music.

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Work differently, but when I hear music that I wrote

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in times like that, it's almost like you relive it

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in your head when you're performing it. I have no

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idea how I'm gonna do the damn thing live without

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breaking down.

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I have no clue, but you know.

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What, It's one of those.

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Things where, yeah, we were in the studio and I

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had to like give myself a break get back in

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the game because I'm one of those like if I

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get emotional and I'm singing, a lot of people can

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cry through their singing.

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I can't. I get like ooh.

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So I'm like, I'm like I need to be like

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I don't know where I'm gonna have to go, but

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I'm gonna have to go somewhere. When we play this

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on stage or else, it's gonna wreck me. It's gonna

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I'm gonna break down.

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You know.

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In a way I look at it, though, is like

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like I said, music's best therapy, and the best songs

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are when people can relate, and they can relate when

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they see that you really are living that song, you know,

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every you're not faking it, you know, and then they're like, oh,

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I think that makes the difference, you know, opposed to

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you know, like pop artists write songs, you know, do

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they have any connection to it. It's like, it's funny

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you take somebody like as an example, Kerrie Underwood, She's

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a total metal head, and I think to myself, how

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the hell are you a metal head and sing other

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music and there's playing like that. Christina Aguilera another example

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of a metal head.

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I think, I mean straight up wearing type of negative

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shirts on stage right. You know, a lot of people

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were like, what the hell, I was like, that's awesome exactly.

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And the fact is it is that, you know, what's

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great about metal is it is true to what it is,

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you know, and whoever's writing metal music is writing the

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real deal, opposed to something and something to appeal to

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them selves, not to everybody else. And I think that's

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the difference between a really good metal song and a

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not good metal song. Is a metal song is something

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you write for yourself, not for the rest of the world,

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And not to become a rock star or any of

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that stuff.

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It's very true, very.

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Rue, and there's the proof right there. That silence is

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the proof right there.

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Oh yeah, that's the second time you did that to

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me today. I know you think it get I like

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go off on this like.

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Yeah, man, pretty good right?

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Uh, you know, But that's what we want people to

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do that or hearing this song too, to think and

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to relate, because isn't that what being honoris is. We

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write stuff for ourselves, but then people put their own

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meanings to it. The best artists, to me, don't get

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pissed off when somebody puts a different meaning to it,

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like because your meaning and my meaning could be told different,

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but it's still the meaning.

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Yeah, look at uh look at her Yeah nails.

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It's it's one of their best songs of all time,

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and then Johnny Cash turned it into one of his

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best songs released of all time, totally for his meaning,

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his his video alone singing while while June June Carter

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is just looking at him while he's like going over

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the things he's done in his life.

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It's insane.

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Yeah, And you know what else is insane that you

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brought that up is I can't tell you how many

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people think Dine Inch Nails cover Johnny cash in that song?

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He did that good?

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Could you imagine that is the way to make a

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cover song right there?

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Could you?

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Could you imagine how Trent must feel like, could you

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imagine writing a song that gains success but then somebody

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from the past, who's somebody.

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At that level?

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Because I would I would like to use that, sir,

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and they do so well. Everybody thinks it's theirs. Somebody

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thinks your song is THEIRS. That's insane.

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That is a total trip. Yeah, you know who else

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is a perfect example. That is Metallica, Like some of

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our biggest songs aren't even theirs, like.

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The my favorite, one of my favorite covers they do

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is Whiskey in the Jar.

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There you go, and it's a great one. Turn the

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page they do great, Oh.

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Dude and my Darling unbelievable.

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And then all the diamond Head and Budgy songs, like

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most people wouldn't even know who those bands are without Metallica.

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Do I heard? I heard their version of Stone called

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Crazy before.

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Queen's That's funny.

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And then I think it was.

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Either my sister or someone else was like yeah, they

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this is this is a lot more heavy than how

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Queen did it, and I went, well, like the weird

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Champions guys, I had to have been a kid at

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the time.

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I'm like, you mean that we will rock you whatever

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it is.

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But what right?

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And you know that's when it's respectable in my opinion,

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to do a cover anyway where people you put your

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own spin on it. You can't do it better than

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the original artist if you do it the same way

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the original artist did it. Yeah, and I think that

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that holds true for her. You know, Johnny is Johnny,

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Like he's not going to be an industrial dude, you know,

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so he put his spin on it and it is badass.

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I like, I love both versions, to be honest.

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Yeah, it's I love. I love a good cover.

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I mean obviously we've done a few, so it's because

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I just can't, like dude. I had that version of

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It's No Good by Depeche Mode. It was just playing

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around in my head for years and we finally did

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a demo of it and my team was like, that's

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a single and I went, that song's not ours and

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they're like, no, it's cool, just drop it as a cover.

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I was like, I don't know, man, like that's that's

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pretty bold, but I don't want to piss anybody out

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like that's you know. Or maybe I do want to

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piss people out, but not for that reason, right, And

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it worked. It worked. But a lot of people in

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America don't know that it's depeche Mode, so they'll just

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tell us they liked that song. But then the moment

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we landed in the UK, of course, everyone was like,

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holy fuck, of all the depeche Mode songs, that.

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One, right, and you know it is.

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I think there is a benefit to crossing genres as

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far as covers go, because look at some of the

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best punk songs were covers for sure, but nobody would

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know because it was made so punk, you know. And

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you take like the Beatles, the freaking Beatles took so

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many songs that were covers and people probably think they're

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all Beatles songs.

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Oh yeah, Sinatra did the same, Dean Martin, all the

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old krooners, you know what I mean. It's like, a

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good song is a good song. Elvis, the one of

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his most famous songs of all time is Unshane Melody,

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and that's not even a song.

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Right, exactly.

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So I love it, but I love Deep and that's

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what's important. And I know you got a lot more

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coming out this year.

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You're gonna be very very very busy.

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Yeah, maybe a couple.

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So people have to, you know, check you out if

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they have an array, and be on the watch out.

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How do they connect to you guys on socials, on

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the web, check out the new music, but also be

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informed of everything that's coming down the pike in twenty

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twenty six.

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Yeah, I mean, if you want to see the Deep video,

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and it's the trilogy it belongs to because it actually

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started with cross Me Out, that music video leads into

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our single Benefit of Doubt that and then that music

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video leads into Deep. The songs themselves have no connection somewhat,

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although Crossed Me Out and Benefit of Doubt are semi

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connected subject wise, but I'll talk about that another time.

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But the videos themselves.

456
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:22.799
Were created as a trilogy by management, and I kind

457
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.680
of was just like, take the reins. You've got an idea,

458
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.839
let's go. Mark was kind of like, Yo, I've got

459
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.279
this idea. I don't want to delve into it too much.

460
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.160
I just want to do it. I need you to

461
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:36.039
trust me. We're using some new style technology to film it,

462
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.240
and you know, I can't tell you what it is,

463
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.960
but I can promise you three crazy videos like let's

464
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.759
go have fun, and I was like, let's do it now.

465
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.720
And then even my other manager, Rick had some hands

466
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.720
in deep in the stylings of it, how it looked,

467
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.240
how it felt, and those guys just blew me away

468
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:58.559
with it. I never would have imagined what they would

469
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:03.200
have done with that, with the music individuals so very lovely.

470
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:04.440
I love it.

471
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.640
And oh, I say you connect with me via I

472
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.000
would say Instagram, TikTok. Our website, Nocturnal Affair has all

473
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.119
the links, but the Nocturnal Affair on Instagram, the Nocturnal

474
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:16.079
Affair on TikTok.

475
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.599
Subscribe to our YouTube page. That's by the best way.

476
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:22.799
So I have a question for you, Okay, did you

477
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.440
start your TikTok during the pandemic or after?

478
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:33.200
I believe before before even the pandemic. I think I

479
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:38.640
just saved the page and we didn't do anything on

480
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:43.720
it until a couple of years ago. And I think

481
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:47.279
we're still trying to figure out, you know, the best

482
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:52.920
way to approach TikTok, because what's hot on TikTok sometimes doesn't,

483
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.039
you know, connect with an up.

484
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:57.319
And coming rock band.

485
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:01.480
It's more, you know, trying to figure out the right

486
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:11.640
way to fit genuine artistry with maybe a teenager doing

487
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:15.039
a dance in front of a mirror, you know what

488
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:16.839
I mean. It's like, I don't I don't think about

489
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.319
kids dancing in front of cameras when I write my songs, right,

490
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:27.279
So it's it's hard to sometimes relate to that. And

491
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.200
this is by no means like a get off my

492
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.519
long kind of thing, because I love TikTok. I find

493
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:33.440
a lot of funny content on TikTok. I find a

494
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.400
lot of really cool, nerdy shit on TikTok, a lot

495
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.359
of great horror shit, like you know, like classic horror movies.

496
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.880
TikTok is like one of my favorites. I'm following a

497
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.920
lot on like the Vampire Lestatt series coming up. There's

498
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.640
a bunch of TikTok stuff on that. But it's it's

499
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:53.200
trying to figure out how to fit into that world

500
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.839
is so funny. And then I can go and post

501
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:01.720
a video of my bassist snow on tour to some

502
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:06.119
funny music on Instagram and it gets two million hits.

503
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:12.160
Listen, you're preaching man's It is true. So my daughter

504
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.599
and her husband who was boyfriend at the time, they

505
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:20.799
started a TikTok way back, and basically my daughter and

506
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:26.440
her husband at the time especially, we're the only people

507
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.720
of their generation that really did not understand social media

508
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:35.160
nor give a shit about it. Yeah, and so my

509
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:39.960
son law he's like big into Rubik's cubes, okay, and

510
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.680
he ain't a kid, like he's a marine. He's out

511
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.680
of the Marines now, but I laugh, like he's he

512
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.359
was a marine. He was in the Marines. He's a marine,

513
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:54.319
and he's playing with Rubik's cube. But they did this,

514
00:27:55.079 --> 00:28:01.000
they started TikTok. Like these are people that didn't do Instagram,

515
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.000
didn't do anything, didn't really know, started a TikTok and

516
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.519
then and all he was doing was solving Rubik's cubes

517
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:09.960
on this TikTok. And then a month they got one

518
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:14.440
hundred and sixty thousand followers, And I'm like, what the fuck.

519
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.880
That's amazing, though, that's amazing.

520
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.839
You know a lot of people get so mad, but

521
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.440
it's like I can only I can only like like, fuck, yeah,

522
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:23.279
you figured it out.

523
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.079
I don't even think they figured it out.

524
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:27.839
It just like it just happened.

525
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.000
Happened, and that that's the thing. So I like to

526
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:31.480
ask people.

527
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.160
The reason I asked you what I did is I'd

528
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.359
like to ask because I think a lot of people

529
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.599
did tiktoks during the pandemic, and they're very embarrassed about

530
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:40.559
some of the ones they did then. So I like

531
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.119
to ask, what's your most embarrassing TikTok?

532
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:47.200
Oh?

533
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.039
I don't think I have one yet, but now I've

534
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.359
got a goal for next year.

535
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.839
I know, right, that's why they make you go viral.

536
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:58.559
It's the embarrassing shit that'll make you go viral, you know.

537
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:03.519
Actually, hold on, hold on, I do have an embarrassing TikTok,

538
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:05.319
but I don't think it's up anymore. I think I

539
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:09.920
took it down. We were still up and coming like

540
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:11.720
more so when had happened. It was before we got

541
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.119
an on any charts, or we'd only been on a

542
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.839
few tours, and it was it was when touring had

543
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.240
started shortly after the shutdown. So I want to say

544
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:24.079
it was maybe spring of twenty twenty two, and we

545
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:31.960
were in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and somehow somebody filmed a

546
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.000
moment where I fell off stage for the first time.

547
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.319
It's on film and the way, and I didn't fall

548
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.759
off stage gracefully too. The way I fell off a

549
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.279
was embarrassing, be it hurt, But the way I hurt

550
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.519
myself saved the rest of me from breaking any bones.

551
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.920
I was standing on it.

552
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.400
One of those like base speakers that they'll put at

553
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.160
the front of the stage that you know musicians will

554
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.039
always stand on. Yeah, And I didn't have my glasses on,

555
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.920
and I didn't have my contacts that day, and I

556
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.480
took a step and when I took a step, there

557
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.559
was no stage next to me in the middle of

558
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:13.599
our song A Thousand Ways to Die, and we had

559
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:15.720
to have been four to six feet off the ground.

560
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.920
And so the way I was standing was I took

561
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.400
a step off and I fell off the stage foot first.

562
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.680
So let me tell you something.

563
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.240
I hit my nuts on the way down pretty hard.

564
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:31.960
I already felt that when you said so.

565
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.759
If I didn't, I would have fallen off the stage

566
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.799
and my whole body would have hit the concrete and

567
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:40.880
I probably would have broken some bones, maybe hit my head.

568
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.720
But because I hit my nut, my nuts on the

569
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:49.559
fucking base cabinet, whatever speaker it made My leg that

570
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.799
fell straightened out like a fucking cartoon character getting electrocuted,

571
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.599
because I was like and the leg straightening out caught

572
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.240
me on the ground and I like rolled and I

573
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:04.440
was I like maybe had a bruise and and and

574
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.000
my nuts are for a second, but thankfully there was

575
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.359
no major damage to anything. Somebody got a video of

576
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.319
it and sent it to us, and then it got

577
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.279
out and then people were sending me memes of like,

578
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.160
you know, there's like straight out of Compton. It was

579
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.200
like straight out of stage floor and it's like me

580
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.119
like falling. And we had that on TikTok for a minute.

581
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.880
But the Internet is not nice.

582
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.720
So what what.

583
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.000
Turned into maybe a funny like hey, here's what we've done.

584
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.240
You know everybody, everybody's done it. I've seen tons of

585
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.559
musicians fall off the stage and you kind of become

586
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.519
part of the club once that happens, like, okay, now

587
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:42.759
you're really doing this for real.

588
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:43.519
Uh.

589
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.039
Even after the show, Chris Jericho kind of like because

590
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.079
we were touring with Fozzy, he like pat me on

591
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:49.920
the back and he was like he's like, now you're

592
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:51.960
a real touring musician. Like, now you can join the

593
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.039
rest of the greats because they've all fallen off the stage.

594
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.160
See I Fundy was said that was a good wrestling move.

595
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.559
So yeah, Chris is always so cool to tour with.

596
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:08.960
And so after a while, like and I mean years after,

597
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.359
like you know, twenty three twenty four, people were still

598
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:14.880
finding that TikTok and just say like the meanest shit.

599
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.240
And I was like, all right, like come on, guys,

600
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.759
I can joke about it, but seriously, like what do

601
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.039
you wear? Time to say the shit.

602
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.279
That's where TikTok has gone downhill in my opinion, because

603
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:31.039
during the pandemic, it was like all the assholes that

604
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.279
you would have on Facebook and everywhere else weren't on TikTok,

605
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.599
and TikTok was just this fun, great thing. And now

606
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.640
even TikTok's take in itself too seriously and it's like

607
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.119
people are on there and it's not fun anymore.

608
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.920
In the hate and the I just.

609
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.319
What I found is people are especially fast to a

610
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:56.200
either be the devil's advocate, to be very cynical, just

611
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:56.920
to be cynical.

612
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.400
But also it's the passive aggressiveness.

613
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.519
Yeah, the way they can disagree and then say but whatever,

614
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.519
or like the way they turn their comments into this

615
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:16.119
passive aggression that can stab you. But if you respond,

616
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.200
they're like, hey, chill, dude, Like it's not even a thing.

617
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:20.839
Don't make a big deal about it, Like it's a

618
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.759
whole that's like a whole culture.

619
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.559
Right now, it's weird people say say things to me.

620
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:34.119
The Internet and social media has only increased mental illness.

621
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.599
You know, I you know, I could, I could see

622
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.200
there's an argument in there. Absolutely, I think when yeah,

623
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.039
not used wisely, I to be honest, I think all

624
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.000
public schools should start teaching classes to kids whose brains

625
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:55.640
are developing on how to address the Internet. Because you know,

626
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.279
when I was a kid, we barely had laptops right right,

627
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.160
and like that that wasn't even a thing that we

628
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:03.920
went on all the time unless we wanted to game.

629
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.319
But like we weren't heavily tied to computers in the

630
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:11.360
way that that this generation is. And so I think

631
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.679
there should be some type of way to prepare children

632
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.199
mentally to all of the information that they're going to

633
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:22.360
see that maybe they shouldn't see. That will stop maybe

634
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:29.920
some poor forms of development and emotionally mentally, Yeah.

635
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.440
And so easy to cyber bully people like you go

636
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.840
to school with that before the Internet and there were bullies,

637
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.480
but there were limit limitations.

638
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.039
Nowa you had to you had to see them in

639
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.800
school on Monday, you know. Yeah, Now to be anybody

640
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.440
with an anonymous account.

641
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.280
It's it's terrible.

642
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:56.320
I say social media is anti social, like it's it's

643
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.519
the antithesis of being social.

644
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.960
But it isn't necessary evil.

645
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.360
And I love your idea because yeah, people need to

646
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.679
be educated on etiquette too on social media. Just because

647
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:12.960
you can hide behind a screen and be a dickhead

648
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.119
doesn't mean you should, isad.

649
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.639
I mean there should be classes for that. I think

650
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.679
there should be assistance for parents that are allowing their

651
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:25.119
kids to have a telephone, Like, dude, a cell phone

652
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:31.199
at the age of ten with access to fucking everything.

653
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.039
In the world, Like, are you kidding me? They can

654
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.639
see anything, the ship, my grandkids everything.

655
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.639
What yeah, the ship my grandkids pull up on YouTube,

656
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.280
like when their parents because their parents can't monitor everything,

657
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.519
Like it's like, oh my god, what are these kids

658
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.320
being exposed to? Like you can put all the parent

659
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.960
controls you want on you know, I don't mean the

660
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.920
parent themselves. I mean on the app, my grandson can

661
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.639
figure out how to hack around that stuff no problem.

662
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.239
And we're not even talking techie. It's like they've grown

663
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.480
up with it so they know their way around it.

664
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.239
And oh yeah, there was there was a short time

665
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.519
a while ago I was I was dating somebody with

666
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.519
with young kids, and the kid was getting in trouble

667
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.039
for the way he was addressing chat GPT and like

668
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.599
the information chat GPT was giving to him.

669
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.159
Wow, like it.

670
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.480
Was extremely inappropriate things for somebody his age, And the

671
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:36.679
mom didn't.

672
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:36.960
Know what to do.

673
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.239
She was like, I don't even know, because he's got

674
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.000
to have his phone to get a hold of me.

675
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:43.280
He's got to be able to do this. It's got

676
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:44.559
to be But it was just like it was the

677
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.760
whole thing. And I was like, I can't even imagine.

678
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.239
I can't imagine, just like, but how all of that?

679
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.360
But and then that attitude you just had there, which

680
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.920
is the society we live in? Uh, Listen, I grew

681
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.000
up being able to get a hold of my parents

682
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:07.079
and I didn't have a cell phone exactly, nor internet

683
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.559
or any of that stuff.

684
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.079
I was let every kid around me had one of

685
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.440
those you remember those flip flip up phones where it

686
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.599
flipped up and you had a keyboard and then they'd

687
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.239
flip it back down, or the razors or everything. I

688
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.079
went through with the entirety of high school without a

689
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.599
cell phone. All of my friends had cell phones, and

690
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.960
my mom had every single one of their numbers, so

691
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.000
she knew who'd have Like, all right, Aaron didn't answer,

692
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:31.920
let me call Tony, Tony didn't answer, Let me call

693
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.639
somebody else. And then finally, is Brunnan with you put

694
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.159
them on the phone, and that was normal. That was

695
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.000
like ough, mom, how many kids have you called?

696
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.840
Like? It was like oh, hey, yeah, no, I'm over here.

697
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:41.280
Yeah, there you go.

698
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:47.960
And you know it's funny too, because I remember it

699
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.639
was nineteen ninety one. I was buying a brand new

700
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.039
car and they had this they had this deal you

701
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.920
got a free phone if you bought the car, but

702
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.519
you had a choice, and so they asked me, do

703
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:04.880
you want a mobile phone? And it was that brick

704
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.079
stupid shit, or do you want a car phone?

705
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.880
I'm like, I want a car phone.

706
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.159
So I could be like James Bond, well I need

707
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.880
a mobile phone for I'm not going to use that now.

708
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.239
I'm just as addicted to my mobile phone now as

709
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.000
anybody is, But at that time that was my mindset.

710
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.719
It was like, well, I want the mobile phone for

711
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.679
that's stupid. I want the car phone so I could

712
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.280
be cool. It wasn't even about being able to call people.

713
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.199
It's just about hey, I'm like James Bond, I have

714
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.840
a car phone. Yeah, you know. And I remember too.

715
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.800
With my kids, you know, I tried to keep them

716
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.239
off of cell phones, and then there just came a

717
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.079
point where I was dropping one of my kids off

718
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.039
at school. I remember it so clearly, and I saw

719
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.960
all the kids outside being dropped off, all on their

720
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.360
cell phone, and I felt, oh shit, now I do

721
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.320
have to let them use a cell phone because everybody

722
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.519
has it, you know, and let because what you're gonna

723
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.639
do make your kid be the only one that doesn't

724
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:10.840
have but a phone?

725
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:11.519
You know?

726
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:14.760
Yeah?

727
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.400
That was that was my parents, right, everybody's got one,

728
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:20.960
and we're gonna go to that. How can I get

729
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.480
ahold of you? And my mom was like, you know

730
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.639
our phone number? You got you got quarters for a

731
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:27.320
pay phone, Like you're.

732
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.239
Fine, right exactly, But I'm.

733
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.480
Actually grateful for like I got to I just lived life,

734
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.440
like we just we just did kids ship, you know

735
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.800
what I mean, got into trouble went to the mall,

736
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:40.880
got in trouble there, you know what I mean, did

737
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:42.960
whatever fucking teenagers did.

738
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.920
I'm very happy about the fact that, you know, I

739
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:52.239
was very involved in the sunset strip days of the

740
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.840
eighties and nobody has any.

741
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:55.199
Proof of it.

742
00:39:58.559 --> 00:39:59.840
Yeah, you know what I gotta say.

743
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.960
Uh, even though I didn't have a phone, a lot

744
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.119
of my friends had cell phones with the beginning parts

745
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.320
of cameras. There's so many just photos of me out there,

746
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.639
all goffed out at the mall, in front of hot

747
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.480
topic with trip pants and lip service, straight jackets and

748
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:19.239
I got makeup on and shit, it's different time, different time.

749
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:24.159
Right, I know. Oh my god. It is interesting.

750
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.880
Like I go to these festivals and see all these

751
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:32.320
people watching the festivals through their phone, and I'm thinking myself.

752
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.920
I think back, and I'm like, now, when I go

753
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.039
into a mosh pit, I have to like hand my

754
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:41.559
phone to somebody before I go in. And I do

755
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.760
think to myself, I'm like, I didn't have to worry

756
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:44.480
about that shit.

757
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.480
I just went into the pit, like you didn't worry

758
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.440
about Oh.

759
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.239
I better not bring my phone in the pit, or

760
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.159
oh I let me get a picture of it, like

761
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.679
you know, yeah, but now.

762
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.199
It was like if you hand your phone to your

763
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.599
friend to go do something real quick, do you get

764
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.599
that anxiety of like what if we lose each other?

765
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:05.119
Now I can't get a hold of them.

766
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.480
I not only get that, but I get of because

767
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.400
I'm a very private person. I'm like, I don't want

768
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.880
them looking through my phone.

769
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.519
And there's nothing there to hide. It's just like you're like.

770
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.159
You hold my phone real quick, I'm about to do this.

771
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.360
You're like clearing your search history, and they're like what

772
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:26.800
are you doing, like you know, texting my family?

773
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:27.800
Yeah?

774
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:32.519
Right, And it's like, oh my god. One day, it

775
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.039
wasn't that long ago. I was saying to my youngest daughter.

776
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.159
I was like, you know, some days I just want

777
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.039
to drive down the road through my iPad, my phone

778
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.639
and my laptop out the window and keep driving. And

779
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.280
I am a techie from way back, even when I

780
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.320
was young, like I'm gen X that built a lot

781
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.960
of shit, like and I took every programming language and

782
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.440
I had a computer when nobody else did and stuff

783
00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:01.440
like that. But she goes dad, who are you kidding,

784
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.679
You're as addicted as anybody. I'm like, yes, but I

785
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.119
do remember a time when I didn't have all this

786
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.320
stuff and it was a lot better. Like I think

787
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.760
about it, you know what I do the first thing

788
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.159
in the morning. You know, it used to be I

789
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.440
don't smoke anymore. It used to be have a cigarette,

790
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.199
go to the bathroom. Cigarette always took priority.

791
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.320
Now we have a cigarette, so you could go to

792
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:26.920
the bathroom.

793
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:32.679
Yeah, Now it's the phone. The phone, that's the first

794
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.719
thing look at. That's how we got this interview, by

795
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.920
the way, because really Annie Facebook messaged me I think

796
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.280
it was like six am this morning about doing this interview, and.

797
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.159
Yeah, well we were supposed because we were supposed to

798
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:48.519
do it I think earlier today.

799
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:49.840
Yeah yeah, yeah.

800
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.239
The way she said it to me, I thought it

801
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.639
was tomorrow. And then at around eleven she was like, hey, Bud,

802
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.440
how was the interview? And I was like, so, I'm

803
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:00.880
glad we were in to talk, but.

804
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.239
Yeah, right, but like that was a perf. That was

805
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.159
a perfect example of that. The first thing I saw

806
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.840
when I woke up this morning was her Facebook message

807
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:11.199
asking me to do an interview.

808
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:15.039
And that's why everybody. That's why everybody's so stressed out

809
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.840
all the time and anxiety. I mean, come on, if

810
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:18.400
I miss.

811
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.159
This next thing, I gotta I have to look at

812
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:21.480
it all the time. I could have.

813
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:23.400
Oh my god.

814
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.280
I went to see the Megadeth movie for the new

815
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.280
album and I was like, I was in that movie

816
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.079
theater for two hours, like, fuck, I want to look

817
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.760
at my phone. Maybe I need something. That's It's like

818
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.000
you start getting like weird when you gotta do things

819
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.679
and you don't and you're not using your phone or

820
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.840
you don't have your phone, And I think back to

821
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:48.000
the time when I didn't give a shit, Like I

822
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.679
would sometimes take off for like three months and I

823
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.760
tell people, okay, i'll see you. Why I get back

824
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.639
and there's no way to reach me and no way

825
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.280
me reach anybody. And that was healthy, you know.

826
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:00.920
That was how I recharge.

827
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.320
That's how That's how I avoided all the darkness of

828
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.840
my life. It's like when things gonna start getting dark,

829
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:13.400
that was my therapy to just disappear, recharge, motivate myself,

830
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.119
get back in positive state, and then come back.

831
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.719
So anyway, you got a lot more coming out.

832
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:24.719
Everybody's got uh check everything you got, you have badass music,

833
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.599
and uh, you know, basically, I think that what's great

834
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.119
it's about you is you share your own personal things

835
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.599
to help others through music. And I think that's the

836
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.519
key to a true artist. A true artist is able

837
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.239
to do that. It's able to dig deep and bring

838
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.639
out you know, like you're saying, you're gonna have a

839
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.360
hard time performing that song, but I think that's why

840
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:49.440
the song is so good.

841
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.360
It's because it's really appreciate that.

842
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.800
Yeah, it's I definitely do it to connect with others.

843
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.559
The you know, when I was growing up, I feel

844
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.239
like a lot of the time, I don't know about you,

845
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.320
but the radio raised me in a way, you know, well.

846
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.639
Me metal raised me because the music I listened to

847
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.159
wasn't allowed to be on the radio, you know, like

848
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.159
like music nowadays that's on the radio, I'm like, that's weird,

849
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.519
you know. Yeah, you didn't hear Slayer or Metallica on

850
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.199
the radio. Like we had this attitude when we were teenagers.

851
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.360
If it's on the radio, we don't like it. Like

852
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.360
as soon as the band in the radio, it's like,

853
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.199
you know what. I was at Metallica's first show ever

854
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.519
and I'm here to tell you I am one of

855
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.599
those people of the original like twenty five that were

856
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.480
at their first show or whatever it was that. Yeah,

857
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.800
that when Black the Black Album came out, we were

858
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.800
like fucking poser sellouts.

859
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.920
I mean, I was lucky to have ninety two point

860
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.159
three and one oh seven five in Vegas though. Those

861
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.599
were the channels that that introduced me to at least

862
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.440
the beginning part of finding the genre of music that

863
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:57.639
I love to play today.

864
00:45:57.880 --> 00:45:58.079
You know.

865
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:02.760
Now see for me, I'm from Jersey, so we had WSU,

866
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.840
which was Seaton All University, and that was like the

867
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:10.960
original station that actually played underground metal and punk music.

868
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.360
And then when I moved out to lat KNAC, who

869
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:19.440
just celebrated a big anniversary recently. You know, again, it

870
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:23.079
wasn't your typical radio station, so it was like it

871
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:27.119
was like it wasn't k loos. You know, kalos played rock,

872
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.280
but they didn't play that, you know. And but I

873
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:34.639
love seeing today though that metal has gone to the

874
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.840
masses because to me, it's the best therapy there is.

875
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.920
People don't really understand metal, you know, what weed as

876
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:47.480
metal heads feel and what it does for us. And

877
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.440
you know, I think it. It makes it a better world.

878
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.800
I think if we want to solve all the world's problems,

879
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.079
we need to have one huge metal festival that everybody

880
00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.800
in the world is required to attend.

881
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.639
Definitely medal with the sprinkles and ballads here and there.

882
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.119
You know what I'm saying, Every good, every good metal

883
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:06.679
band deserves a great ballad.

884
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:07.280
Of course.

885
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.159
And that's how you know they actually can sing too.

886
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.280
There's so many like artists that I have done Matt Bounce,

887
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.480
I'm like, Wow, they really can sing. And that's why

888
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.400
I have an argument now. But like people don't care

889
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.320
at the Screamers. They know how to sing, they choose

890
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.320
to sing like that, Oh yeah, and very well. I

891
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.480
think people don't realize it's really hard to sing that way.

892
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.239
I sang thrash metal and I didn't know how to

893
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.440
do it technique wise, and I was burning out my

894
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.960
throat every time, you know. And it definitely is a

895
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.559
talent and I think people should realize that.

896
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.000
And you definitely have the talent.

897
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.760
And I also love the Navy Or band, the Nocturnal Affair,

898
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.719
that just it just sounds pretty cool. And I don't

899
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.079
normally talk about bad names, but it does sound pretty

900
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.679
cool and deep sids it all and I can't wait

901
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:07.599
to you got six video premieres being launched this year.

902
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.840
Can't wait, and thank you.

903
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.039
Nobody here listening is allowed to listen to my show

904
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.679
anymore unless they watch all six of those videos.

905
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:20.039
Appreciate it.

906
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.440
Thank you for giving us great music and bearing your

907
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:24.599
soul to give it to us.

908
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.119
And thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipeline.

909
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:28.840
Well, thank you for having me Man hope to talk

910
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:29.280
to you soon.

911
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:35.119
Absolutely, thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin

912
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.199
I'm w for CUI Radio.