June 23, 2026

The Whispering Debut Delivers Wicked Metal From Beyond - PipemanRadio Interview

The Whispering Debut Delivers Wicked Metal From Beyond - PipemanRadio Interview

THE WHISPERING DEBUT DELIVERS WICKED METAL FROM BEYOND Introducing Lucian Fhor Featuring Dirk Verbeuren, Tobias Kellgren, & Loic Colin THE WHISPERING is a Los Angeles-based heavy metal unit led by newcomer, LUCIAN FHOR on vocals/guitar, with...

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THE WHISPERING DEBUT DELIVERS WICKED METAL FROM BEYOND

Introducing Lucian Fhor Featuring Dirk Verbeuren, Tobias Kellgren, & Loic Colin
THE WHISPERING is a Los Angeles-based heavy metal unit led by newcomer, LUCIAN FHOR on vocals/guitar, with elite players LOIC COLIN on bass (Scarve/One Way Mirror), TOBIAS KELLGREN (Dissection), and DIRK VERBEUREN (Soilwork) on drums.

The band has released the THE WHISPERING – PART 1 EP with four of the ten titles from the forthcoming self-titled THE WHISPERING album out in the fall of 2026.
"THE WHISPERING" self-titled song video is also available now

Watch Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33wLNw1aFtY

As the crows fly, it’s a wild ride... From the moment one plays the first self-titled song,
"THE WHISPERING", one instantly understands by hearing the cryptic intro of whisperings decoding the album one has stepped into a dimension where metal gods flash their wicked smile, witches delight, warriors fight the good fight and the music fills the skies raging afire, swinging the heavy musical pendulum between wicked metal/alternative metal with raw power, precision, and purpose.

The album itself, was recorded at the famous Besco Recording Studios in France with industry veteran, Producer/Manager Dan McConomy at the helm during all of 2025 and exactly a year later to the day with his mixer Mohammad “Momo” Sadeghin they concluded the album. Mastering for the record is delivered by the legendary Randy Merrill at Sterling Sound.
LUCIAN FHOR on vocals and guitars, is a rare persona that carries the torch of rebellion against injustice, oppression, ignorance, and twisted hypocrisy, that burn deeply to awaken souls with lyrics that challenge the status quo.

FOHR has been flying under the radar for a while by producing and performing music with world- famous circus troops like the legendary CIRQUE Du SOLEIL, and numerous other superstars in venues and festivals in the USA, Canada, Australia, China, the UK, and Europe as both a band leader and performer, leaving nothing to the imagination about how powerful the live aspect of the concerts will be designed to deliver an immersive experience.

TOBIAS KELLGREN is a warrior on drums and Swedish cult figure who can be heard on albums by DIssection, Wolf, Soulreaper, or been seen on extensive tours in Sacramentum or In Flames since the 90’s and is the touring drummer for THE WHISPERING.

LOIC COLIN, a French bassist, key figure in the technical metal scene for decades, with a long- standing rhythmic fusion with DIRK throughout many bands, including Scarve, One Way Mirror and Watcha. LOIC is also a recording engineer in his own right who specializes in high-end audio production and is a columnist for Bass Part and Bassiste magazines.

DIRK VERBEUREN stepped into THE WHISPERING album when KELLGREN was unavailable in the window necessary to finish the album due to other commitments. When he got the call from McConomy to record he did not hesitate to reunite with LOIC his 20-year colleague throughout numerous bands.

The group has their own imprint, LAG Records, distributed digitally by The Orchard worldwide that is handled by Bigger Management. Vinyl, CD’s and Merchandise are being released through various licensing deals to be announced soon.

Written by Lucian Fhor
Recorded @ Studio Besco, Paris France
Produced by Dan McConomy
Mastered by Randy Merrill @ SterlingSound
Engineered by Mohammad Reza Sadeghin

Lucian Fhor - Vox / Guitars
Loic Colin - Bass
Dirk Verbeuren - Drums (on The Whispering & Life After God)
Tobias Kellgren - Drums (on Evil Eye & Pretty Witches)
Additional vocals - The Sisters Spellbound

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Hi, you love done to censure.

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For se wow, for you.

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Young it it's pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with

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our next guest. Who oh my god. They have some

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killer music we're going to talk about. So let's welcome

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to the show, Lucien from the Whispering.

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Yeah, it's great to be here with you. Thanks for

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having me.

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Oh my pleasure. And I'm back in Florida where it's

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sweltering heat. You're in France where it's sweltering heat. And

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uh but there's no global warming. It's just really hot.

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Yeah, bad luck, I guess.

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I know, right, So tell us what's going on. Let's

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start there.

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Yeah, well, I'm I'm here year in a chateau in

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the about four hours south of Paris, just spending a

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few days soaking up the vibes here. We just came

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from Healthfest. I've been in France for about a month

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I'm sorry, about two weeks now, and it's been a whirlwind,

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amazing trip. Healfest was amazing, really inspired, just kind of

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here soaking it all in before I get back into

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the wild world.

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It is one of my favorite festivals in the world.

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Like I saw.

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Something on Instagram somebody calling it the Disneyland of metal festivals,

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and I mean that is the perfect, the perfect description

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of it.

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And it's so good.

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Did you get to see because they did this year,

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they did the Ozzy statues and they have Ozzy and

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Lemmy there.

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Did you get to see that? How cool was that?

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It was super cool. I mean every time I see

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Ozzy anywhere, it's just kind of a reminder I'm on

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the right path because he was so influential me. And yeah,

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it's strange that he's gone, but it feels sort of

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the same because his inspiration is just always bubbling and

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all the music I make. But it was super cool

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to see for sure.

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Yeah, it is pretty amazing about Ozzie, the kind of

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impact that he brought to the music community as a whole,

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Like even his last album, just all the people he

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was doing songs with or not things you would think

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coming from the Prince of Darkness, which just proves his

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legacy of that's not all he was.

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and student of Randy Rhodes, Tony Iomi as well, Jakie

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Lee as well, you know, and this lineage of guitarists

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has the one through line, which is Ozzy of course,

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inspiration for me. And when I was a kid hearing

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his records, it was the first moment of danger I

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felt and excite. Man, I shouldn't be listening to this,

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you know, right, And I've been trying to get that

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feeling back for so long, and finally the music I'm

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making now is really a reflection of going back and

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finding that feeling that like dangerous kind of I shouldn't

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be listening to this. This is spooky, and it's largely

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because of my experience listening to Ozzy.

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You know. It's funny you should say that because.

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Way back in the day, like I saw Randy play

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with Ozzy and.

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That was bad. That was badass, Okay, amazing.

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And then I had this history class where apparently the

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hit the history teacher I don't know, got sick and

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wasn't there, so they had the music teacher teaching history.

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Teacher says one project the whole class, just do an

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oral presentation on anything you want, doesn't matter what it is,

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and that's your whole grade for the class. So I

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did Ozzy Osbourne Satanism in his music?

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Huh uh huh? And what did you find?

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I Well, first of all, I had a lot of

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fun because I got to play Ozzy to the class

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and bring in all my paraphernalia and stuff like that,

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and I got an A in the class.

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Best history class ever, amazing Wow.

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But you know, oddly though, the Sabbath logo has always

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been this cross and the guys always wear these big crosses,

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and it's sort of a confusing message to him. I

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have never really totally understood that, aside from just the

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protection against crazy people who are coming at them being

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an anti religious band, I'm not sure you know.

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Now, you know what that's the funny thing, because Ozzy

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was like a devout Christian, and you know, they never

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really made it like Sabbath nor them, never made it

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like they were into Satan. It was just people assuming.

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That's how stupid when people look. I remember I used

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to walk around high school with the Diary of the

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Madman shirt and I think that's what it is because

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he looks like, you know, he's the Exorcist on there,

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and like I remember this girl walking up to me

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and she was like, you worship the devil, And it's like,

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it's the stupidest crap I ever heard, just because it's shirt.

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It's so yeah, but it really is a through line

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of my experience as well, with even starting in high school,

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when you know, you'd see the guys with the metallica

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patches on and the jean jackets and long hair end

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up being the nicest people you could hang with versus

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you know, maybe the football players are something that are

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being ready to punch you in the head behind the gym.

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So it's it's a it's a strange juxtaposition. This this

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spooky anti religious movement is largely free minded people who

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don't believe in the dogma or the devil or any

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of that stuff and really just enjoy the mythology of

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it all.

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Well that's it. That's it.

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Like, okay, to me, the whole idea of this fictional

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character called the Devil, I don't buy it, but it

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is does make for interesting movies and interesting music, and

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that's all it really is. It's like there's just a

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fascination with it. It's not something you actually believe. In

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my opinion, no.

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No, And I personally don't either, but I do find

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the value. And I'm sure you've experienced too, where like

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you dig into your fear or something in the dark

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that you may think is more a bigger monster than

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it actually is, and you have breakthroughs, right, and you

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discover things by just peering into the dark a little bit.

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And so people that are really afraid to do that,

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I'm not sure what they're what they're hiding in there,

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you know, probably nothing, I've got themselves worked up.

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Yeah, without darkness, Without darkness, there is no light.

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I think you have to have both, you know, and

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it makes you a well rounded person. But also, like

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music is an expression of emotion, So a lot of

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times that darkness that people are perceiving is not necessarily evil.

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It's just how somebody maybe's feeling at that given time,

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you know, no matter what it is.

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Yeah, and not hiding from it, right Yeah, Yeah, I

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mean I don't want to hurt anyone. I don't want

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to see anybody hurt, you know, where I often have

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a wickaned pentagram on and I do. I love the

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mythology and some of the other connective experiences to nature

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and things like that that have nothing to do with

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the devil or any kind of malicious act, maybe a

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little bit of defiance against what religion has done to

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our our community and our culture and what it's still

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trying to do.

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You know.

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I don't care if people have their own beliefs, but

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when it starts to infiltrate our lives and experiences, then

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it becomes a bit more of.

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An offense, no doubt. Like that's the way I think.

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It's kind of like you do you as long as

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you're not intentionally trying to hurt anybody or do anything

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bad on purpose, you know, like if you are a

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great human being, I don't care what you believe.

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That's all that matters to me, you know.

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And like you said, it was funny because like when

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I was in high school, Yeah, the jocks used to

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buy the metal heads and the punks, you know, but

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yet they were the ones doing bad things and not

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nice people, where we were just like one family and

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like the nicest people in New Orleans.

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It's why you mentioned like with.

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The metallic at backpacks, because my eighties battle vest, like

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it has some wicked shit on it, but its as

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a jump in the fire back patch on it. And

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that was like one of the original Metallica back patches.

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So I was interviewing Winston from Parkway Drive and I

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brought in person I like brought sometimes I'll bring it

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with me at festivals to using interviews, and I just

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laid it out for him to look at, and he

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was like, first of all, he was totally geeking out

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on it, but he was like, when did Metallica have

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devil stuff? When did they have that? Like, and it's

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it's funny because you don't think of them, but there

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is jumping the fire and that's what it represented.

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But they were never devil Worshiper's slayer.

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I used to hang out with them back in the

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early ages when they were in the beginning, and they

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would laugh because tom was like again like Ozzie, a

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devout Christian, you know, and just because you're talking about

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certain things and songs doesn't mean you're promoting it.

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It just means you're rest in your art art, that's it.

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Yeah, especially back then, right, I mean, like I think

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Tommy Lee had two pentagrams on his drums, and yeah,

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it was really used more as an artistic thing. I

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mean some of the first waves of a second wave

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rather of black metal, Norwegian and Swedish music has some

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undertones that they sort of again embraced a bit deeper. Yeah,

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lyrically and all that, but even still a lot of them.

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You know my friends joke. Now, one of my friends

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is in a really well known Swedish band and he says,

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the same guys that were, you know, like this in

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the coffin now are teachers.

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Somewhere right exactly, you know, just a enjoy to music.

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That's all. It's all to me.

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It's all performed, part of the performing arts. Like it

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makes it even more of a show, so to speak.

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If if you can create an environment, in an atmosphere

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and an experience it's kind of immersive, then you can

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you know, move people and you can inspire people in

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that space too, because they're they're a bit more consumed

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with the whole thing.

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I think my whole involvement in metal all my life

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has made me less of a dark person, not more

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of a dark person. Like even the Mashpitz, like people

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have a misunderstand man, the Mashpitz are.

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Some of the best therapy you can ever have.

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Like there I think the mashpits have saved some people

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from me kicking the shit out of them in real life,

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you know, you know.

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And the perfect example is like these mosh pits, they

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go extra hard and in between songs and when the

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set is over, there's a lot of hugging and write

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a lot of high fives and it's like, yeah, it

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is a group therapy session, really.

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No doubt, no doubt.

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So tell our listeners about the new EP and what

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why they should check it out, you know, like, not

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not from a genre perspective, but as an artist, how

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do you express your music?

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particular project for me, and expressing music hasn't always been

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a natural thing, and it's been a process of shedding

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my ego and my comfort to a place where I

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feel like I can express it. And with this EP

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and with the concept of the Whispering, really, to me,

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it's just a reflection. The messaging is a reflection of

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just the undertones of the truth. Between all the screaming

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and social media and noise pollution, there's very clear truth

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hiding in plain sight, whether it's the environment or even

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something as simple as the truth in your heart that

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you know to be there, but you wait and wait

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until you're ready to finally see it. So the whispering

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is just that subtle message that is above and below

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all the madness, and the vehicle for it is this,

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which metal music that I've loved since I was a kid,

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since I first heard Blizzard of Oz and some Black

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Sabbath records, and so it gives me kind of an

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exciting vehicle to share a subtle message and have fun

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doing it. This is one of the first records I've

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made that I truly love and I truly enjoy the music,

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and that's the key, I think of all the advice

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I've ever been given in with music, somebody told me

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if I don't feel it, nobody will.

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I finally got to you, right, So I finally got

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to that point where I really do feel this and

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I enjoy it, and that's the best part. And whatever

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message or feeling it conveys, we'll see. You know, everyone's

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got a different perspective, but for me, I feel thrilled

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to be making this music and sharing.

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Yeah, And you know, I do have to say with

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that whole feeling, it's so true because like how can

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can you be an artist that is writing music which

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is super about passion and emotion If you don't feel it,

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how is it going to be? How can you portray

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it to somebody else to feel it?

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Like you know?

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And people see that, like if you're live on stage,

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they can see whether you're dialing it in or if

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this is really like you're in some kind of zone

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with it and people don't have to get to say

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meaning that you do out of it. But if you

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have meaning to it, then people listen.

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Yeah, No, it is. I think it's also the ingredient

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moving into the AI world right where now it's more

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important than ever for people to establish an emotional center

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to the art they're making. Because I don't know about you,

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but you know, anytime I listen to a song or

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see it painting, my mind instantly goes to the creator

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of it. What were they thinking?

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So, And that's the beauty of the connection and translation

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that music can do that. I don't believe A is

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quite capable of replicating.

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You know, no, because there's no human element to the AI.

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And I think if you listen, like you know, people

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are making songs with AI. If you listen to these songs.

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There's not there's no real there's no real feeling to it.

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There's it's it's like more like an algebraic equation. It's

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like a very matter of fact with no deep dive.

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Music should have a deep dive, and it takes you

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somewhere else.

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Yes, and that's the key, and and then and then again,

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like going back to the whispering, that is sort of

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the idea is just to lean in, listen a little closer.

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It's often a whisper is more compelling than a scream,

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and so there's there's an opportunity for people in life

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in general just to lean in a little bit, spend

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more time with something for a second, you know, go deeper,

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like you say, like a deeper dive.

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It's a true story what you're saying about the whispering,

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because I'm also a public speaker, and they teach you

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in public speaking that if you whisper, people aren't going

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to pay more attention because they have to too, because they

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in their mind it must be important and it must

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be something they're not supposed to listen to, so they're

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going to.

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And then get right and then or you can't like

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hear it, so it's like you try to hear what

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somebody's saying, you know, And I think that's so key,

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And I think I'm a big believer in the balance too.

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There's the screaming and the whispering, and there's a balance

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somewhere in between where you catch people's attention.

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Yes, that's right.

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And with everything going on with social media and the internet, man,

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I'm so thankful for your music because I think something

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needs to be said, like, because all this stuff it's

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make us more social, that's for sure. It's the exact opposite,

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and it makes us like, I don't know, non really

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emotional about anything. That's why people become these trolls on

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the internet because they just don't care, you know, and

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that whole zero focks given man, like I think you

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should give a fuck.

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Yeah, absolutely, I mean a man, the zero focks thing.

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I you know, it's one of my main sources of

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inspiration because it's very easy for me to want to

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disconnect from all of that stuff like you're talking about.

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I'm sure the same with you. You know, we we

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have other things to do with our time. I mean,

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I'd rather go for a walk with my love through

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the woods here in France and not worry about any

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of that stuff total or anybody else's mess but I

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do live on this planet and I have some obligation

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to stand up for the things that move me. And

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so yeah, with the muse, it gives me kind of

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an opportunity to engage with that public forum. And you know,

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like the Whispering Constant, we're a heavy band, so we

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play heavy music and so you know, the messaging is

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kind of underneath that a little bit.

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So now just.

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Invite people to be more intentional, you know. It's it

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drives me nuts. The world is just losing its intentional

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direction in every way, you know, and what they eat

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and what and what we do during the day. A

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lot of time is wasted and missed and life's too

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short to miss all that type of stuff.

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Well, even like what you said, being in France, like

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people don't experience moments you know, or you know, and

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even if you're doing something like I know, the one

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year I did health Fest where it was two weekends,

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I'm a surfer. I'm like, I looked on the map,

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I'm like, oh, there's like something the most famous surfing

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like an hour away from health Fest again, Airbnb there

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and I'll metle by weekend and surf by week and

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you know, go check things out. Like you know, I

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think just anywhere you experience in the world, I'm all

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about that. Not only that I go to places where

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the people live, you know, I want to experience the culture.

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I think that's a big thing that's missing in the world.

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Everybody's like shouting on social media, but they really have

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no experience of aying the places they're ever talking about,

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you know, they can only go by the Internet. And

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I think if you go to those places, no matter

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where it is in the world, you find a very

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different viewpoint than you do from just hearsay.

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And when you talk to people as well, you know,

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like you're saying, I mean, I love the trip you

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just described, very similar to the one I'm on now.

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I was just swimming in the ocean in Saint Marlow

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a few days ago. Nice, it's fantastic. But yeah, people

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need to try and they need to talk to other people,

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and especially Americans. I mean, you got to get out

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of the United States and you have to see the

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world and talk to people. And I don't know what

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this America first nonsense to this, but it's you know,

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the planet first.

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Yeah, I'm with you too, because I gotta tell you,

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like I call it the big lie. The first time

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I ever went to Europe, I had a very different

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viewpoint of what was told to me my whole life,

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you know. And it's like, I think people have to

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get out of their sheltered bubble, especially here in the States.

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You know.

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It's like we like to as a perfect example, the

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first place I went to was Paris, and we like

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to say here, oh, the Parisians are rude. Now I

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didn't have that experience. Why did I not have that

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experience because before I went there, I took like a

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blitz course on French, and I decided, I'm going there.

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I need to try to speak their language. And a

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lot of Americans don't do that. They go everywhere and

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assume everybody speaks English. And that's when the Parisians are rude.

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So I was going restaurant, said I was butchering the language,

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but I was getting like the best service. And I

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remember one server. I said, I don't get it, like

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in my country, we all talk about you guys are rude,

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and I have not found that at all. And he

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said straight out he goes because a lot of your

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you know a lot of Americans, they come over here,

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they assume everybody speaks English. At least if you're you're

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attempting to speak the language. Yeah, you're butchering it, but

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it shows that you're you're not being some arrogant person

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from another country assuming you're in their country, because that's

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what we do. We go to other places and we

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assume it's our country. Like That's why I love learning

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all the different cultures, because that's what made me go,

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like the big lie like that we're the only free

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country out there. I was like, yeah, no, pretty much

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every kind I've gone to I've felt free. And even

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like last year, in between download and hell Fest at

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three days, it's easy to get anywhere in Europe, as

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you know, So I popped on an eighty dollar flight

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to Morocco. Yeah, and you know what, it was a

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really cool experience for three days. But if you if

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I would have listened to what I saw on the internet,

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I would.

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Be like, oh, it's so scary there, don't go there.

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Were You're in Marrakesh, yes, yeah, in the big markets

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and all that stuff.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I even learned something. Okay, again, going on the language thing.

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You know, all those people in the market.

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Say really hockey, really hockey Agar.

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Yeah, but I found out if you say no in Arabic,

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they stop, and I tried it, so I was like

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low chukra and they just stopped immediately. I could say no,

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I'm not interested, no thank you, no thank you, and

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they're just chasing me down.

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I'd say low schukra and they just left me alone. Yeah,

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So it is.

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It's spending that little moment of respect, you know, that's

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that needs to be happening for me. I try to

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engage that way with everybody. It's just extend the respect.

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It doesn't attack my ego. In fact, it just makes

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me a more open and engaging person to meet, or

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at least I want to be that way, just like

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you're saying. You know, any country that I go to,

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I try to learn how to say thank you and hello,

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and it goes a long way. And Americans have a

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lot of work to do to break some of the

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stereotypes that unfortunately we're all being clumped into right now.

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No doubt, no doubt. And that's where music comes in,

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and that's where I think artists like you, because music

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is the universal language. When you go and you play

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in all these countries that maybe some of the people

435
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don't speak English at all, and they're singing your lyrics.

436
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:52.240
Back to you.

437
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.359
Like what kind of feeling is that? That must like

438
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.279
blow your mind right, you know.

439
00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:59.640
I mean amazingly.

440
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:00.079
You know.

441
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.480
Wait, it happened to me at a club here in

442
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:06.279
Paris where I went to a gentleman's club that a

443
00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.720
friend of mine was working at it, and one of

444
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.680
the dancers was singing one of my songs he played

445
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:13.519
with he was the DJ at the club. So I

446
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.839
played one of the songs and he had been playing them,

447
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.400
so the dancers knew them, and they were dancing and

448
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.480
singing the lyrics to me as they were dancing, you know,

449
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.960
at a French club. It's fantastic.

450
00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.119
I love it, like to see, that's what it's all about.

451
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:28.759
That's why I actually have a solution to all the

452
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:33.640
world's problems. Please please, I say, we have one major

453
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:38.440
music festival like that the whole world is required to attend,

454
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:42.680
except the leaders. The leaders are in a lemna, all

455
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:49.119
the politicians, leaders, you're band, but everybody else. And then

456
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.599
I think it definitely specifically has to be like a

457
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.839
metal festival because of the love that metal heads have

458
00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.640
as a community, and just we could all the whole

459
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:01.720
world could work.

460
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:04.480
All our broms out in the mosh pit. Yeah there

461
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:04.799
you go.

462
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.160
Yeah, yeah, I know. I man, I'm with you.

463
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:07.559
I mean.

464
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:09.359
And this to go back to what you're saying about

465
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.920
the metal fans. We were at Helfest the other day

466
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:17.640
and we're watching d Side, which was incredible, by the way.

467
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.920
I don't know if you're familiar.

468
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:24.359
With Thanks for making me Joe us go ahead, wow man, but.

469
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.200
You know my love and I we walk to the

470
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.039
edge of the tent. We're looking and I see a

471
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.200
guy in the ad Jason Hockey mask, you know, yeah,

472
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.440
like a white beard coming out the bottom. The mask

473
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.880
is a little stained, and he sees us right away.

474
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:39.240
And he was one of the more spookier looking guys

475
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.599
I saw at the whole festival, and he'd be lined

476
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:43.880
right up to us, and he pulls out his phone

477
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.359
and he wants to take a selfie with the three

478
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.119
of us. He didn't know we were or anything, but

479
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.640
he just liked our vibe, and so of us took

480
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.640
a selfie and we hugged it out and went back

481
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.599
to death metal. It was beautiful.

482
00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:59.599
It is so amazing.

483
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.559
Like I think even there proves even more what I

484
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.880
was saying, because to me, hell Faest is like some

485
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:13.119
of the coolest people and such the coolest vibe, you know,

486
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.839
and I do festivals everywhere, and it's like that one

487
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.480
that it truly is Disneyland to me.

488
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:27.759
Yeah, extra special this year. You know, one of my bandmates, Dirk,

489
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.880
is the drummer and Megadeth, and Megadeth was one of

490
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.960
the headliners. Dirk also is involved with Savage Lands, which

491
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.640
is a nonprofit that they have, and so they had

492
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.880
a whole both this year, which I'm also connected with them,

493
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.279
and it was really nice to meet everybody on the

494
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.160
ground and then see Dirk jump up and get on

495
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.519
stage and do his thing. It just felt like a

496
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:53.480
very big family gathering. It was so special. I can't

497
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:54.759
wait to do it next year. I hope that you're

498
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.319
there next year because we're amazing.

499
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.400
If you were there, I will definitely be there.

500
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:04.359
And I love Savage Lands, okay, Like the whole concept

501
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:09.359
of what they do is amazing. Like I actually first

502
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:15.640
got introduced to them at Healfest when I was interviewing Hilung. Yeah,

503
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.359
and then I got connected to them and I'm like,

504
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:24.079
this is the coolest ever, like, and it's so needed

505
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:24.880
in this world.

506
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:26.000
You know.

507
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.640
I think they planted a thousand trees on the property

508
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:29.559
of Helfest this year.

509
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:34.920
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And just like

510
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.160
all the bands are involved, it just goes to show

511
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.720
too again what we were talking about before, you know,

512
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.799
all these dark evil bands not so much.

513
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.880
You know, I think you nailed it when you said

514
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:56.160
earlier about the healthy aspect of releasing that energy and

515
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.960
embracing it, and it truly is a liberation of any

516
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:05.359
kind of pent up frustration, you know, young for young kids,

517
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.000
even up to adults. You know, we all still feel

518
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:11.960
that triumph and strength of coming through frustration, you know,

519
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.680
with Iron Maiden playing in the background, I mean, right,

520
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:18.160
what could be better than.

521
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.079
That, you know, exactly exactly.

522
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:23.599
And I think people outside the community don't understand. Like

523
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.200
I've had people like I'm fifty nine years old and.

524
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.599
People are like, you still listen to the metal. I'm like, yeah,

525
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.200
I still go into mushpit too. You know.

526
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.960
It's like it's funny. I had somebody that worked for me.

527
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.640
I had to cover two festivals in one weekend. And

528
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.160
she was a country girl, never been to a rock

529
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:47.039
show in her life ever. And I'm like, I need

530
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:51.799
you to cover this other festival because obviously I can't

531
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.920
beat two places at once. I said, listen, here's what's

532
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.440
gonna happen. It's not all scary like you think. Okay,

533
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.960
we're one big family. You're probably gonna make some new friends.

534
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.240
You're gonna have the best time of your life. And

535
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:09.680
there won't be a bunch of drunk rednecks game into fistfights.

536
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.799
We'll be in the mosh pit and there'll be no fights.

537
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.119
And she came back after that weekend she was like,

538
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.359
oh my god, you're so right. I made all these

539
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.359
cool new friends and everybody was so nice, and I

540
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.960
tea bagged this guy and now he's my boyfriend.

541
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.079
And then she goes. She goes and I have this

542
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:33.480
new favorite band.

543
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.440
I don't know if you know who the art called

544
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.240
bring Me to Rise, And I'm like, yeah, I think

545
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:42.240
I might have heard of that. But it just goes

546
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.640
to prove, like you know, put people in these situations

547
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.519
and sit down and have conversations with people different from you,

548
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.559
and you're gonna get a whole different viewpoint than the

549
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.400
bullshit that's being put in your head. And that goes

550
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.039
through every aspect of life nowadays.

551
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.400
Yeah yeah, well said man. I mean there's so much

552
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.039
division right Everything online is either you like it or

553
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:09.680
you don't, You're with this or not. Yeah, it's just

554
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.720
sort of maddening. I just hope the cycle breaks. I think,

555
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.519
you know, as AI is approaching, it's allowing us an

556
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.559
opportunity to step back for a second too and disconnect

557
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:22.759
and go and get into nature for a minute and

558
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.559
listen to some music. And I know that I hope.

559
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.279
So, you know, everybody needs to escape the insanity. Like

560
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:32.480
I go to Costa Rica a lot. That's how I

561
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.880
get off of the world.

562
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:34.960
You know.

563
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.839
In the office, Sason totally and my brother will call me.

564
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.000
I was like, he's like, did you see the news?

565
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:44.920
I'm like no, and I don't give a shit, and

566
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.839
I'm going surfing. I have a nice day. Obsessing over

567
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.759
that stuff that doesn't change your life in any way,

568
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.519
shape or form, you know, Like, you know, people obsess

569
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.400
on stuff that they have no control over, you know,

570
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.319
and we do have control over the attitude. You have

571
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:05.400
control over who's controlling us. And that's what I'm all about, Like,

572
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:09.000
we need to stop being one way or the other

573
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.480
and be human beings against everybody else that's trying and

574
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:14.279
control us.

575
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.279
To me, those.

576
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.160
Politicians and that leaders, and they're all on the same team.

577
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.839
It ain't mine, mine is the rest of the human race.

578
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.200
Absolutely, Bro, that's so great to hear. I mean, I

579
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.079
think a lot of people feel like that too, And

580
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.880
maybe it's just a lack of communicating that message itself

581
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.359
needs to be more and it's not you dropping out

582
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.039
and not caring. It's just you sharing a focusing your

583
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:43.400
energy in the places like that really matter, and not

584
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.359
being bombarded with the madness you know.

585
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.279
I mean, I don't know, because it does nothing good

586
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:50.880
for you.

587
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.720
No, it doesn't. And it's confusing. I was always brought

588
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:56.799
up to think there were checks and balances in government,

589
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.880
you know, and these days it feels like, you know,

590
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.920
Donald Trump can do whatever he wants, right, I don't

591
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.200
know where's the checks and balances. Where are the people

592
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.000
that say no, you can't do that. You know.

593
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:11.279
It blows my mind. It blows my mind.

594
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.640
Some of the people who are his supporters too, because

595
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.359
his biggest supporters are the people he would never break

596
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.480
bread within a million years that he is actually against

597
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.119
and they're being fooled by it.

598
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.000
And and it's like, I don't care it.

599
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.400
Sometimes there's people I've known my whole life I can't

600
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.119
even talk to now because they're just stupid. I can't

601
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.440
even say it any other way because there's nothing you

602
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.920
could say to them, and they just believe everything, no

603
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.640
matter what is said. And like, how how could anybody,

604
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:44.880
I'm gonna say it straight out, how could anybody on

605
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.319
the face of the sort of think that he wasn't

606
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.039
way more involved with Epstein than you know, they want

607
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.319
to think, Like that's just one thing.

608
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:58.839
Right, one thing? How could anybody disagree on that? Like,

609
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:00.839
I I don't get.

610
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.839
It, you know, I mean, he's clearly involved in it.

611
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:08.759
I think at some point the supporters felt a feeling

612
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.559
of power, like there was a movement against the elite

613
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.319
and government, and I get it, like it gives them

614
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.279
a sense of strength and a defiance and we all

615
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.640
love that feeling of defiance and like totally, but now

616
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.559
I think it's gone too far, and it's some of

617
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.200
them a lot of jump ship and then a lot

618
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.440
of people are just trying to save face and quietly

619
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:33.000
right there. But they can't because we're in this situation

620
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.839
because of the supporters. So they have to take accountability

621
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.119
and they have to be a part of this change now,

622
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.680
just as they were a part of ushering this in

623
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.880
this nonsense, they're not immune to make being a part

624
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:48.319
of the change. Like, there is still an opportunity for

625
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:51.839
us to meet in a place where Okay, this is

626
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.680
beyond ridiculous now, so maybe we could kind of go

627
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.960
into the middle and we can move forward together.

628
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:02.960
Well that's why I also totally one million percent disagree

629
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.720
with Gene Simmons when he sits there and says now

630
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.159
that artists should just play their music and not have

631
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.920
a voice, Like, of course artists should have a voice.

632
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.239
It's always had a voice. Music has always had a voice.

633
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.480
And if you have the platform, why wouldn't you use

634
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.840
it to spread.

635
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.079
Good I don't get that contest.

636
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.719
And Gene is one of the pioneers of using his

637
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.440
voice and his energy to spread excitement and rock and

638
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.760
roll fever. Right, Like the guy's he's a you know,

639
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.039
he's I mean, he's so legendary by doing that very thing.

640
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.639
He's a leader for us in that regard.

641
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.199
Yeah, so that's why I don't understand it either, because

642
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.079
like first album I ever owned was a kiss album,

643
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.480
you know and like, and it was because of that

644
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.079
same rebellious nature. Or like, I know some punk bands

645
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.960
nowadays that are pro government, and I kind of scratched

646
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:58.159
my head. Isn't the whole idea of being punk being

647
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:05.320
anti government? Anti fascist government? Like when did punks become fascists?

648
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:06.039
Right?

649
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.679
I know, it's a little weird to be.

650
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.000
Yeah, it's all confused now. I mean, I don't know

651
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.039
what people's agenda is. I don't know. That's why I

652
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.079
try to just keep it to the larger issues, like

653
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.320
you know, women's rights and the rights of the environment

654
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.559
and animal rights and things that or less uh, well

655
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.480
you'd think they would be less division creating.

656
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.039
But oldest trick in the book, oldest trick in the

657
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.679
book divide and conquer. And that's why I say, forget left,

658
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.320
forget right, forget red, forget blue, just be humans and

659
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.079
and respect each other. For Like, I have a brother

660
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.920
Day's really judgy and he'll say something and I'm like,

661
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.920
or maybe he'll say, like they'll say something. He'll say

662
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.440
they ignorant and uneducated, I'll say, Or maybe they just

663
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.480
have a different career than you, or they come from

664
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.360
a different place than you, or they have a different

665
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.719
upbringing than you, or they have a different education than you.

666
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.159
And you know, the list could go on and on

667
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.840
and on, you know, and we need to listen to

668
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.840
each other's differences in order to work out our differences.

669
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.800
I think absolutely absolutely.

670
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.159
Man very Well said, well, he's lucky to have you

671
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:30.480
as a brother to give him that calm reflection.

672
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.719
And yeah, he probably wouldn't agree. He said I was wrong. Yeah,

673
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.880
but you know, it is what it is.

674
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.039
It is what it is, and like hopefully, hopefully this

675
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.599
pendulum will stop swinging and we'll go to some kind

676
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.800
of normalcy, you know, like where we like when I

677
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.239
grew up, where you didn't tell people who you vote for,

678
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:57.639
and you didn't treat them like rock stars their politicians,

679
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.239
and you knew that hey, if they were wrong, they're wrong,

680
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.119
even if you voted for them. You know, Like that's

681
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:05.800
the whole thing. I think you hit the nail on

682
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.280
the head. People want to save face. They invested so

683
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.880
much in supporting this person and defending this person that

684
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.360
they don't want egg on their face by saying they're wrong.

685
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.920
Yeah, but I mean being wrong is the best way

686
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.960
to grow and admitting you're wrong, and you know, those

687
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.639
are the keys to becoming a greater version of yourself.

688
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.320
So you know, hopefully people will take this opportunity to

689
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.679
take responsibility. I don't know. I don't always have that

690
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.440
much faith in the collective movement these days, as much

691
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.880
as I want to. You know, That's why I think

692
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.960
just throwing music into the world so hard, like this

693
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.119
is the only kind of real way I can put

694
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:53.159
my hope into anything. It's just doing that, you know,

695
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.440
throwing it out there and shaking up something, getting people,

696
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.840
just getting people to stir inside a little bit, waking

697
00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:05.639
up up them more intention Yeah, letting your wild side

698
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.199
out in a really healthy way and celebrating other people

699
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:08.679
doing it.

700
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.239
Well, that's what's really cool about the whispering because that

701
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.400
is the start right there. And if it just if

702
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.960
it just makes people stop and think, I think that's

703
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.639
what we need to focus on too. Stop trying and

704
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.360
convert everybody, just let them think, yeah, you.

705
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:29.559
Know, right, and.

706
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.400
Put some intention into things. You know, like we we

707
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.239
are part of a larger sort of wick in witchy community.

708
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:43.400
And a large part of the appeal of this lifestyle

709
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.519
to me is just intention and doing things with intention,

710
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.960
whether it's the food you're eating or it doesn't have

711
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:50.719
to be a ritual, but it has to be just

712
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.400
a moment of intention and acknowledgment. And those little moments

713
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.760
add up to a life of intention and it's so

714
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.880
much richer, and you stop making bad decisions and you

715
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:07.800
start seeing the consequences of flipping decisions, and so yeah,

716
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.320
a little bit of intention and just like it's it

717
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.800
starts by waking up in the morning looking at the

718
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.920
person next to you, or if you're by yourself, looking

719
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.880
yourself in the mirror and just being grateful for a

720
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.400
minute that you're there. You have another opportunity another day

721
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:21.360
to do something.

722
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:25.039
Like that and have some caring, you know, like you

723
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.599
don't have to agree with another human being to care

724
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:32.840
for them. You don't have to agree even with environmental concepts.

725
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.199
To care for the place you're living.

726
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:39.280
Like, you know, you may not believe it's ruined the environment,

727
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.519
but just put your trash in the garbage. It's one

728
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.599
simple thing it's like people are like, oh, well, you know,

729
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.400
but it's all a bunch of books, So who cares?

730
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.920
You throw the trash on the ground too, exactly exactly

731
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.519
make yourself look like that, you know, no doubt and

732
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:01.440
we only have, like, you know, one planet, and we're

733
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.239
getting rid of most of the environment.

734
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.760
You know, Listen, I live in South Florida. Look at

735
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.599
what we're doing to the Everglades. Don't you can't tell

736
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.960
me that we're not screwing shit up?

737
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:12.239
You know we are.

738
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.159
I mean, the science is there, this is this is

739
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.039
the you know, the whispering is more of a scream

740
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.480
when it comes to this, because it's very clear that

741
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:23.400
what we're doing to the planet in the environment is catastrophic.

742
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:29.519
It's not really an opinion, but it's whether people want

743
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:34.400
to ignore it or just be culpable by disassociating and

744
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:36.480
pretending it's not their issue.

745
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.960
That's really really and what's the big deal? Like that's

746
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.280
what I always think to myself, what's the big deal?

747
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.960
Okay, so you have to do.

748
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.199
Some effort to make things look cleaner and nicer, even

749
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.039
if you don't believe in the environment. Don't you want

750
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:54.880
like your surroundings like don't you want Like I drive by,

751
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.440
I see them chopping down trees in Florida to put

752
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.320
up strips that are usually end up empty because they

753
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:03.440
build too many of them.

754
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:05.119
Like what was the point? You know?

755
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:11.159
Or you know you're saying, well, these species are being invasive. Well,

756
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.679
they're being invasive because they have nowhere to go because

757
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.760
you got rid of their environment, you know.

758
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.039
And I could go on and on and on about that.

759
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.119
My actually, I don't know if you noticed, but my

760
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.440
best brow of life who passed away a couple of

761
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.760
years ago, but he was a big time environmental icon

762
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.800
in LA. He was involved in well not involved, he

763
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:38.719
actually did. He restored the Malibu Creek and the Malbu Lagoon.

764
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.480
He's the one that did the Mountain overpass on the

765
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:43.280
one oh one.

766
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.679
And like the crap he.

767
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.239
Would get, even from some music artists, you know, he

768
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.519
would get such crap because, oh, you're ruining my view.

769
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.599
I guess they didn't care. That was bringing back vegetation

770
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.719
that hadn't been there for hundreds of years, bringing back

771
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.000
trout that were considered extinct. That doesn't matter. It's your

772
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:10.840
view view that matters. I mean, come on, and isn't exactly,

773
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.599
and isn't it a better view now that the Malibu

774
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.239
Lagoon is in good shape?

775
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:15.920
You know?

776
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.199
And he would build all those parking lots and ring

777
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:25.559
gardens all through SoCal and his name's Mark Abramson. He

778
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.679
was very involved with Heela Bay, Santa Monica Bay Keeper,

779
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:35.239
and sam Monica Bay Foundation. And he used to go

780
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.440
before Congress like in cargo shorts and yell at them.

781
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.159
And he used to sue.

782
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.519
Companies and stuff because people just didn't give a crap,

783
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.519
and he had a great philosophy about it. He used

784
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.320
to say, I don't care if they build the building.

785
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.559
I'm just saying build it here instead of here. So

786
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.800
he would get into these arguments with these major companies

787
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.440
like like uh, I think it was Washington Mutual or

788
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.800
wanted up Banks and they wanted to build a building.

789
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.039
He just wanted them to build it a block away

790
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.239
and they made a big deal about He sued him,

791
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.119
he won, and they couldn't build where they want. But

792
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.840
that was his points, like I'm not saying don't build

793
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.199
your building, don't run your I'm not saying don't run

794
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.440
your business, just don't do it here when you could do.

795
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.840
It right there. And have the same benefits and save

796
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:23.480
the environment.

797
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.239
Abramson, that's amazing. Thank him for everything he's done. That's

798
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.480
those are the type of leaders we need people like.

799
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:31.719
That, no doubt.

800
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.760
And then as soon as Trump got elected in twenty sixteen,

801
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.199
what did he do. He got rid of all environmental

802
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.159
funding in the state of California.

803
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.840
Yep, and I released the missions laws and missions laws,

804
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:48.159
you know, allowing companies to prove to pollute areas again,

805
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:50.480
you know, and make more money that way. I mean,

806
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.639
it's it's small, it's short term thinking. And then again,

807
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:57.119
that's one of the things that we want to encourage

808
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.000
people to do, is just to think beyond what's directly

809
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.079
in front of them.

810
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:05.360
You know, I'd say, and I say that out to

811
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.679
young people because like when I was a teenager, you

812
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.400
probably I'm probably at an attitude like who cares? Like,

813
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:14.440
you know, because you think that there's no going, not

814
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.480
going to be impact. And now here in my fifties,

815
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.400
I see the impact of the stupidity of what happened then,

816
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.599
you know, and the impact.

817
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.880
I hope the teenagers now are seeing it a little bit.

818
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.760
You know, this is a generation that's come up having computers,

819
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.400
and cell phones, and they didn't get caught in the

820
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.440
transitional period as much. So I think they see through

821
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.719
a lot more of that. They know how to recognize

822
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:44.360
things that are fake online, they're used to that, they're

823
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.360
used to that filtering system. So I have faith in

824
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.000
the younger generations that they will have more critical thinking,

825
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.000
even though it seems like we've lost a pathway to that.

826
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:58.239
I do think younger kids are a little more hip

827
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.639
to the fact that the intern that maybe a facade.

828
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.039
I'm hoping, I think on your and to your point,

829
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:11.079
I think they're less about conforming in any other generation before,

830
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.519
you know, and let's hope that sticks as an adult,

831
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.599
you know, because I always think of the hippies. The

832
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.760
hippies became the yuppies became the boomers, so like if

833
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:27.679
they were just stuck hippies might be all right, yeah.

834
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:30.000
Well, and then their kids, you know, we became hippies

835
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:33.280
and and so we can carry on that, like you know,

836
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.800
you and I we're still hippies at heart. He maybe

837
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:38.960
we'll break the cycle.

838
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:40.719
Yep, that's why.

839
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.360
And with organizations like Savage Lands and others out there

840
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.679
like that, like hopefully we're on a turn in the

841
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:53.960
other direction. Maybe sometimes you just gotta My bro used

842
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.039
to say, like, I think we just need to break

843
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.800
the whole system and start over. And I think that's

844
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:00.960
what's happening now.

845
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.559
Yeah, So let's hope.

846
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.000
Let's hope, man. I you know, I don't know where

847
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:12.440
I find the hope because it's really hard sometimes it

848
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:17.199
really is. Yeah, But you know, being at Healths for example,

849
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.920
and watching Behemoth and seeing everybody united and smiling and

850
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.079
having so much fun watching such a wild show, it

851
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:30.480
was so inspired me. And it was like things people

852
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:33.280
can unite over the most interesting things, and when they do,

853
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:39.079
there's a wave of strength and it can move the needle.

854
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.119
You know. It just takes the right the right gathering

855
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.000
and the right push of momentum.

856
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.679
Totally, and bands like you and your music I think

857
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.519
helped the cause, which is why Savage Lands connects with bands,

858
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:56.119
because you know, I think, as going back to every beginning,

859
00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:00.159
music's the best therapy, and I think music sue it's

860
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.679
a savage beast, and that savage beast could just be

861
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.719
the crap we're going through right now.

862
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:10.360
So well said Bro, it's so great. So and you

863
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.199
talk nationally with people all the time, and it's amazing

864
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.719
that you have this energy and are coming from this place.

865
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.440
I'm just really grateful for you. It's so refreshing and

866
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.480
fantastic to connect well.

867
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:26.280
Thank you and thank you for what you do and

868
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.280
keep making us some great music.

869
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.119
Oh I planned to, man, I got an incredible band,

870
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.280
so I can't help but get in there and do

871
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:34.679
that nice.

872
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:36.840
So let's get everybody out there.

873
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.000
You can't listen to my show unless you check out

874
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:40.639
the Whispering.

875
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:46.880
You're banned for my show. But really it's some.

876
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:51.440
Badass music that let's just all feel happy and love

877
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.360
each other. And that's what music does, and that's what

878
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.239
the Whispering is doing. And so thank you for that,

879
00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:59.920
and thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

880
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:01.119
It's my pleasure.

881
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:01.239
Man.

882
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.480
I look forward to connecting with you again absolutely anytime.

883
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:10.000
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on

884
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.440
w for CUI Radio.